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2018 Statistic of the Year: 90.5 Percent of Plastic Waste Has Never Been Recycled (bbc.com)

Two of 2018's best statistics from the Royal Statistical Society are about the environment. "The winning international statistic of the year was 90.5% -- the proportion of plastic waste that has never been recycled," reports the BBC. "And in the UK category, the top stat was 27.8% -- the highest percentage of all electricity which was generated by solar power." From the report: A panel of judges picked the two winners, along with several highly commended statistics, from more than 200 nominations. Entries for 2018 were submitted earlier this year. Judges on the panel included Dame Jil Matheson, former national statistician -- the top adviser to the government on official statistics, as well as RSS president Sir David Spiegelhalter, BBC home editor Mark Easton and the Guardian's U.S. data editor Mona Chalabi.

The environment and plastic waste has repeatedly made headlines in 2018, and "single-use" -- referring to plastic waste -- was named the word of the year. Other highly commended statistics include:

$1.3 billion: the amount lost from the value of Snapchat within a day after Kylie Jenner tweeted: "Sooo does anyone else not open Snapchat anymore?"
85.9%: the proportion of British trains that ran on time -- the lowest for more than a decade
40%: the percentage of Russian men who do not live to the age of 65
64,946: the number of measles cases in Europe from November 2017 to October 2018
82%: the percentage of all British retail shopping that is still in-store rather than online
16.7%: the percentage reduction of the number of Jaffa Cakes in the McVities' Christmas tube
6.4%: the percentage of female executive directors within FTSE 250 companies

162 comments

  1. Popcorn time by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Environmental protection, public transport, women... I'm sure this will be a quiet thread, nothing controversial there.

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    1. Re:Popcorn time by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Obvious trollbait is obvious.

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    2. Re:Popcorn time by sheramil · · Score: 2

      Environmental protection, public transport, women... I'm sure this will be a quiet thread, nothing controversial there.

      Did you miss the part about the reduction in Jaffa Cakes?

      HARRRUMPH!

    3. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious trollbait is obvious.

      And the statistical "report" wasn't? Jaffa cakes and Kylie Jenners Snapchat habits? Bullshit for narcissists value.

    4. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obvious trollbait is obvious.

      Yes, the article is trollbait.

      Nice to know the BBC is continuing the divisive, intersectional, fundamentally racist "progressive" PC tradition, "Asteroid will destroy Earth, women and minorities most impacted!" stories.

    5. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News for nerds, stuff that matters BS for narcissists value. Sums it up, right there

    6. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to know the BBC is continuing the divisive, intersectional, fundamentally racist "progressive" PC tradition, "Asteroid will destroy Earth, women and minorities most impacted!" stories.

      Want a few stories about the "War on Christmas" from the great FoxNews as you chant for the death of your scapegoats in the liberal bogeyman? You know, while ignoring how the White House has been turned into a Satanic Coven with blood-drenched pagan trees and gilded idols of the fatted calf, as the imaginary hosts of caravans descend upon America so fiercely that seven year old children are left to die and nobody is responsible.

      Build a wall around thyself.

    7. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why there is no percentage for black or asian executive directors within FTSE 250 companies?

      Surely we could add race to the list. After all disparity in that is bigger than between sexes!

    8. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to know the BBC is continuing the divisive, intersectional, fundamentally racist "progressive" PC tradition, "Asteroid will destroy Earth, women and minorities most impacted!" stories.

      Want a few stories about the "War on Christmas" from the great FoxNews as you chant for the death of your scapegoats in the liberal bogeyman? You know, while ignoring how the White House has been turned into a Satanic Coven with blood-drenched pagan trees and gilded idols of the fatted calf, as the imaginary hosts of caravans descend upon America so fiercely that seven year old children are left to die and nobody is responsible.

      Build a wall around thyself.

      imaginary hosts of caravans?!?!

      So, those weeks of stories were FAKE NEWS then?

      Yet in all those weeks of stories, no "reporter" or "journalist" bothered to dig into how such a caravan of thousands of people came about? How was it organized? Who PAID for it? All conveniently during a US election?

      I'd say you need to grow a fucking brain, but you're a lost cause.

    9. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Confidently Fox News stopped talking about the caravan right after the midterms.

    10. Re:Popcorn time by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well it is too bad most of the discussion on these topics goes into the Stupid Oversimplification category and/or just being Cruel and Heartless, and if the topic is really hard to swallow, then we go into conspiracy theory how it is a made up problem by the "Other"

      We have these problems that shouldn't be ignored, however people don't want to hear about the side effects that can happen from their view. However we need to fully understand these complex problems to help work out a solution. I doubt for problems so large and complex there are going to be many Win-Win solutions. However we can get a Win and a mitigated lost where the value of the win is greater then the lost. But we can't just discredit the people who will be effected by such a solution.
      Lets say we switch for our morning coffee Styrofoam cup, to a paper cup, much greener solution, but the coffee cools down quicker, and it is hot to hold the cup. So lets add that corrugated ring to make the cup easier to hold. We still get a greener solution, and we lost a cup that will keep coffee hotter for longer, but at least we solved the too hot to hold. So it is a mitigated lost, also being that most people will drink their coffee before it gets too cold anyways and the difference between the two will effect a smaller number of people. It isn't a Win-Win but we looked at the solutions and found that there were flaws, some being more serious then others, so we fixed what we can to accommodate the losses, and we end up with a net benefit solution.

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    11. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't fit SJW narrative. Plus, you've already been programmed. Black and Oriental, not Asian, as their is marked difference between Indian/Pakistanian, Chinese/Korean/Japanese, and Iranian and Israeli...

    12. Re:Popcorn time by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      By eating popcorn you are just funneling more money and therefore influence to the powerful corn and ethanol/HFCS lobby. Why do you hate the planet and skinny people?

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    13. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, your minders stopped telling you to be mad about that. Fox is still going on about it.

    14. Re:Popcorn time by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Did you miss the part about the reduction in Jaffa Cakes?

      HARRRUMPH!

      Reducing the number of Jaffa Cakes in a box should be illegal!
      - unless of course you are reducing the number by taking them out of the box to eat them.

      Forget the NHS- I want a National Jaffa Cake system, "free" Jaffas for all!

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    15. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, those weeks of stories were FAKE NEWS then?

      Yep, you're finally catching on.

    16. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      imaginary hosts of caravans?!?!

      So, those weeks of stories were FAKE NEWS then?

      Yet in all those weeks of stories, no "reporter" or "journalist" bothered to dig into how such a caravan of thousands of people came about? How was it organized? Who PAID for it? All conveniently during a US election?

      I'd say you need to grow a fucking brain, but you're a lost cause.

      Lost cause?

      I thought that was America unless literal armored divisions of tanks barreled down to the border so that the great wall of Trump was built which has been built and effective and super except for some reason they need billions more in money to pay for expenses without you know, accounting for how it is spent.

      But wait, wasn't America already destroyed by the massive riots of the leftwing inner city gang thugs?

    17. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up dickhead.

    18. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Environmental protection, public transport, women... I'm sure this will be a quiet thread, nothing controversial there.

      You missed the Russian man measles cake Snapchat part. Its almost like you go looking for your trigger words.

    19. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious trollbait is obvious.

      And the statistical "report" wasn't? Jaffa cakes and Kylie Jenners Snapchat habits? Bullshit for narcissists value.

      If you read that as Kylie Jenner’s Snapchat habits instead of $1B valuation change from a random tweet, you might be an idiot.

    20. Re:Popcorn time by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Nothing compared to those ridiculous Toblerone though.

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    21. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but ANTIFA and like minded groups, are going more for the death by a 1000 cuts methodology, along with the liberal/socialist brainwashing by those in charge of education.

      Yeah, they're so dangerous, you need to raise up a Security Force to defend Real America from their evil, because they might teach children the proper terms for genitals (actual Dear Abby question today) and even have children learn that St. Nicholas was not, in fact, a pale-skinned jolly fat man, but Greek!

      It won't happen overnight...they seem to be going for the long game.

      The horrors! They're thinking of the long-term future not hoping and praying that Jesus will soon herald in the apocalypse like all good and proper Christians as they eschew birth control and use women for their only fit purpose, babymaking servants to men in the reborn Gideon.

    22. Re:Popcorn time by Shotgun · · Score: 0

      Sarah Jeong, is that you?

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    23. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      imaginary hosts of caravans?!?!

      So, those weeks of stories were FAKE NEWS then?

      Yet in all those weeks of stories, no "reporter" or "journalist" bothered to dig into how such a caravan of thousands of people came about? How was it organized? Who PAID for it? All conveniently during a US election?

      I'd say you need to grow a fucking brain, but you're a lost cause.

      Lost cause?

      I thought that was America unless literal armored divisions of tanks barreled down to the border so that the great wall of Trump was built which has been built and effective and super except for some reason they need billions more in money to pay for expenses without you know, accounting for how it is spent.

      But wait, wasn't America already destroyed by the massive riots of the leftwing inner city gang thugs?

      Says the moron who five years ago laughed when told that Venezuela would collapse when it ran out of other peoples' money.

      "Socialism! THIS TIME it will work!"

    24. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooh Antifa, how scary. Aren't those the guys that knocked over and burned that trash can at a protest that attracted the attention of eight or ten news cameramen simultaneously because they didn't have anything more shocking to take pictures of?

    25. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't wait to put the shotgun in your faggot mouth.

    26. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      No, they're the ones that beat up random people while throwing out racial slurs.

      https://www.phillymag.com/welc...

    27. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What does Venezuela have to do with operational "Socialism" ? Are you confusing the random mouthing of the resident kleptocratic dictatorship with say, what countries like Norway or Finland consider "Socialism" ?

      I laughed because I knew it was another failed petrostate and without American military might, would never have a lasting government.

      Turns out I was right, and like Chile and Panama, they eventually will get CIA'd

    28. Re: Popcorn time by pgmrdlm · · Score: 0

      Just like it was fake illegals that attacked on film our border agents. Fuck you asshole. You house and feed those illegals.

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    29. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want every in the UK to look like Jaffa the Hutt?

    30. Re: Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, like this person?

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/14/us/nyc-subway-tirade-arrest/index.html

    31. Re:Popcorn time by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      >Did you miss the part about the reduction in Jaffa Cakes?

      I read that line, and thought - I'm sure those words have meaning to someone, somewhere.

    32. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I was never a Stargate fan.

    33. Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *froth* *froth* *froth*
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  2. corepirate nazis out#ed 999,000,000:1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the # of us vast majority unchosen wanderers remains overstated, for a variety of reasons, though we still # in the billions & growing (the royals greatest fear) towards reasoned interundependence.. cease fire stand down,, in the moms we trust, our nearest identifiable creators.. we rest our lower case..

  3. Blokkeerfries by scsirob · · Score: 1

    The word of the year is 'Blokkeerfries', you insensitive cloth!

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    1. Re:Blokkeerfries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it is 'moordstrook'. (murderstrip)

    2. Re:Blokkeerfries by ls671 · · Score: 1

      "insensitive cloth" ???

      Never hear that term...

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    3. Re: Blokkeerfries by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      And the phrase of the year is "fookin pencil" as in "Three men! With a fookin pencil!"

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  4. Negligible! Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is negligible anyway!

    A much more important problem that humans will have to face soon is the recycling of creimer's mass.

    The center of mass of the universe has never moved more than half a yard away from creimer's external surface, just so you realize the scale...

    1. Re:Negligible! Re:Popcorn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer went to a Shake Shack and only had a strawberry milkshake.

  5. Thanks, America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your love for mindless over-consumption, single-portion servings, useless plastick gimmicks and micro-granules in every toothpaste and shampoo, and of course your stubborn refusal to recycle because "it's what poor people do" accounts for the major contribution of plastic pollution.

    The real question is if you will ever admit you fucked up and start taking some responsibility and clean up after yourself. Most likely it's the rest of the world that has to clean up your mess, like you were a small child, because the holy American way of life, over-consumption with no regards to anything or anyone else, is so sacred to you.

    1. Re: Thanks, America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The statistic on plastic is useless. A much more important statistic would be amount of plastic waste not recycled vs amount recycled. If you recycle 99 percent of plastic waste, and discard 1%, it may not be so horrible if 100% of that 1% has never been recycled.

      97.4% of statistics presented in headlines are intentionally misleading.

  6. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by walterbyrd · · Score: 2

    Maybe you are not aware of China's environmental record?

  7. 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The likelihood of Slashdot continuing to hurtling past irrelevance and out of existence.

  8. Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    That would probably do a lot to stop single use plastic consumption.

    You may have to carbonate the water.

    Maybe we need some sort of biodegradable plastic?

    1. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Water should come out of your faucet. Some US cities have already banned or taxed single use plastic shopping bags. If you could develop biodegradable plastic that really worked you would make trillions.

    2. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by e3m4n · · Score: 2

      Dasani already makes their bottles out of recycled plant waste. I was reusing the same 4 bottles for a month at a time, refilling with filtered water, until another report came out indicating I was at higher risk of ingesting toxins by doing that.

      No good deed goes unpunished.

    3. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Biodegradable plastic exists. It's just way more expensive to produce than regular plastic.

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    4. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      That would probably do a lot to stop single use plastic consumption.

      You may have to carbonate the water.

      Maybe we need some sort of biodegradable plastic?

      The biggest problem regarding plastic is that the recycling/trash aspect of it is coming from two areas. China and Africa. But outfits like the UN are busy yelling at the USA and other first world countries.

      We could drop our plastic waste to zero and it would make no real difference.

      We could freaking ban plastics, go to all glass and metal and cloth and paper bags, and percentage wise, almost no difference.

      It is quite fashionable to lay all problems at the feet of the first world, and especially that big ol' bogeyman USA, but it's like looking under a streetlight for your lost keys. You knew you lost them a hundred feet away, but the light is better under the lamp.

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    5. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Some US cities have already banned or taxed single use plastic shopping bags.

      Single use plastic bags have also been banned in the entire state of Hawaii.

    6. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Dasani already makes their bottles out of recycled plant waste. I was reusing the same 4 bottles for a month at a time, refilling with filtered water, until another report came out indicating I was at higher risk of ingesting toxins by doing that.

      No good deed goes unpunished.

      Make certain you get your minimum daily requirement of Bisphenol-A.

      Glass is probably the least troublesome water storage material.

      This might make you cringe, but locally we have some springs, typically near the tops of mountains, that have some of the most wonderful water you've tasted. Unfiltered, fresh out of the ground. People come from miles around to fill jugs of drinking water.

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    7. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I was reusing the same 4 bottles for a month at a time, refilling with filtered water, until another report came out indicating I was at higher risk of ingesting toxins by doing that.

      Simple solution: Use a glass bottle.

    8. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      I use them for sports but maybe some other material. Metal always has me concerned for similar reasons.

    9. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by Shotgun · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny how that plastic can sit on shelves and hot trucks for months without releasing toxins, but if you refill it and drink the water that day the concentration is high enough to be deadly.

      Also, funny how the hawkers of a product that is nearly free but is packaged for several dollars a gallon don't want you using the free product.

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    10. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If aluminium cans can hold something as corrosive as coca-cola then I'm sure water wouldn't be a problem.

      Honestly, we already store a lot of drinks in aluminium and glass containers, hell we even store it in cardboard cartons in some cases albeit with some plastic, at least not as much. It wouldn't be hard to just do away with plastic drinks containers altogether, I don't know why we haven't banned them or taxed them out of existence, they're utterly pointless and have a ridiculous amount of externalised costs.

    11. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With plastic bottles I'm more concerned with bacteria? Sometimes or eventually the bottle will even stink up. Before then the water tastes weird. I don't know about phenols.

      I found a cheap "bottle cleaner" product which itself comes.. in a plastic bottle. It's for reusable plastic bottles but I haven't used it yet (instructions are : mix with warm water, and shake. then rinse). I didn't know that existed until I saw it on a shelf (about 1 euro or less)
      I knew plastic bottles on bicycles etc. existed, but thought they're nasty (e.g. a random decade old one. smells like air from a tire)

    12. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I checked my bottles : they come with a "best before" date. (maybe it's a little miracle that stagnating water can stay fresh for years). I think sun light may cause some slow photochemistry..
      They used to mix drinking water with alcohol on navy ships.

      They may say you should use them for 48h - up to 48h "preferably". Well, once you've opened it you've left it open to the elements including air and the bacteria you're introducing. In contrast, glass is so easy to clean up. Like, when we're doing the dishes, something so utterly mundane, we're removing a huge deal of contamination and potential contamination (antibacterial soap is useless by the way), just because the materials in dishes, glassware, the tools like a sponge, a sink, etc., everything has been selected generations and centuries before us. It's usually not even worth talking about.

    13. Re:Put water in aluminum cans, no plastic bags by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      I think water has to be carbonated for an aluminium can to work.

      The cans need that pressure inside them hold up.

  9. Does this include.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this include the PEG that you put into your body as laxatives?? Or use in nasal creams? The world is falling. The world is falling. OH Henny Penny, what are we to do?

  10. Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    74.5% of all movies released in 2018 were remakes
    88.4% of Trump's tweets were demonstrably false
    14.2% of high schools in America increased spending on women's athletic programs
    68.4% of sexual assaults against women went unreported
    12.9% of reported sexual assaults against women resulted in convictions
    A woman was the victim of gun violence every 12 minutes
    The NRA spent an estimated 28.5 million dollars lobbying against common sense gun legislation
    NRA Legal Insurance spent an estimated 2.2 million dollars defending gun criminals in court
    84.1% of America's prison population is non-white
    14.3% of whites charged with violent crimes are convicted, while 91.3% of blacks charged with similar crimes are convicted
    23.8% of all crime in America can be attributed to RSH (Racism/Sexism/Homophobia)
    A further 52.5% of all crime in America can be attributed to systemic poverty
    74.2% of white collar convictions result in no prison time
    18.4% of white collar convictions result in no punishment at all

    This is the America we live in.

    1. Re:Other interesting statistics by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      3/4 of all movies are remakes. So in other words, pretty much every movie worth making has already been made.

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    2. Re:Other interesting statistics by e3m4n · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Talk about made-up, on the spot, fake-ass statistics.

      68.4% of sexual assaults against women went unreported

      If they are unreported then you cant do the math on them dumbass. How do you know if there were only 17 or 17,000? The only thing worse than a pansy-ass liar who hides behind AC postings is a pansy-ass liar that isnt even smart enough to make his lies at least somewhat believable. Lets hope Darwin comes along and removed you before you fuck the planet up further by reproducing. Its a shame your mom missed woty that coathanger.

    3. Re:Other interesting statistics by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      3/4 of all movies are remakes. So in other words, pretty much every movie worth making has already been made.

      Alternately, 3/4 of all producers could be turned into Soylent green with zero negative impact to society.

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    4. Re:Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not an american, but you have the constitution, so if you want to do gun legislation you need to change the constitution. Unfortunately that would mean that (ban)trigger-happy/omniphobic people will take it very far from any common sense legislation. People keep calling semi automatic guns assault weapons for fuck's sake.

    5. Re: Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      100% of your statistics are politically derived, and therefore are just part of the bullshit mix.

    6. Re:Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. It's not only feasible to obtain statistical data on unreported crimes, but it's a fairly common practice, and very easy to do. These don't quite jibe with the OP but they're close.

      https://www.rainn.org/statisti...

    7. Re:Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      55% of rape victims are men. I like this game.

    8. Re:Other interesting statistics by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      A woman was the victim of gun violence every 12 minutes

      That's a pretty loose definition of "gun violence" you're using there. ALL Firearms deaths in the USA, including suicide, didn't happen that often. Or were you counting "gun violence" to include "someone pointed a gun at someone else"?

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    9. Re:Other interesting statistics by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I'm not an american, but you have the constitution, so if you want to do gun legislation you need to change the constitution.

      That would be a good step, but unrealistic. Any constitutional amendment requires 3/4 of states to ratify it. There are a lot more low population, rural gun-friendly states than there are larger population states that are less friendly to guns.

      Even if a large majority of the population wanted the constitution changed (and I'm honestly not sure what % want it changed), it wouldn't happen. There are too many sparsely populated states that don't want "gub'munt tushin' ma guns". You're not going to see a gun control amendment to the constitution in your lifetime.

      More realistic would be a reinterpretation of the current constitution:

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

      I think gun-control proponents are more likely to get their way by examining the phrase "A well regulated Militia". Which honestly, how that is interpreted will always depend on who is in the Supreme Court at any given time.

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    10. Re:Other interesting statistics by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      A woman was the victim of gun violence every 12 minutes

      That's a pretty loose definition of "gun violence" you're using there. ALL Firearms deaths in the USA, including suicide, didn't happen that often. Or were you counting "gun violence" to include "someone pointed a gun at someone else"?

      I don't know the source of his statistic or whether it is accurate or not; however being a victim of gun violence doesn't have to mean death. If you are shot in the leg or the arm for example, you will most likely survive. I would suspect a large number of victims of gun violence don't actually die.

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    11. Re:Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      redefine the legal things into something vague that everyone deals with then conduct a "survey" and boom scurrrry statistic. it's totally "science".

    12. Re:Other interesting statistics by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      When you take the gun deaths put out by the US Feds themselves...if you remove things like suicide, and the gang shootings (criminals shooting criminals), you find that yourself as a normal citizen, has about the same chances of getting killed by a gun as you do winning a part of the lottery.

      You have a better chance of dying in a car than by gunshot.

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    13. Re:Other interesting statistics by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      I think gun-control proponents are more likely to get their way by examining the phrase "A well regulated Militia".

      They can examine that phrase all they like; it doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the actual restriction placed on the government, which is simply that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

      Even if it were restricted to the Militia, that wouldn't do much: the Militia includes every able-bodied male citizen between 17 and 45 years of age, plus females who are members of the National Guard. Trying to restrict firearm ownership to the Militia is basically equivalent to barring older male citizens and all females who are not in the Guard from owning weapons. I'm sure that would go over real well...

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    14. Re:Other interesting statistics by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      They can examine that phrase all they like; it doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the actual restriction placed on the government, which is simply that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

      Even if it were restricted to the Militia, that wouldn't do much: the Militia includes every able-bodied male citizen between 17 and 45 years of age, plus females who are members of the National Guard. Trying to restrict firearm ownership to the Militia is basically equivalent to barring older male citizens and all females who are not in the Guard from owning weapons. I'm sure that would go over real well...

      That is your interpretation, and other people have other interpretations... hence my point it comes down to the interpretation of whoever is in the supreme court. Many people would interpret the law as meaning, that whereas they intended to allow guns, they also intended the use of them to be regulated and not just for lone-wolf ownership and application.

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    15. Re:Other interesting statistics by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      93% of workplace deaths were men.

      This is the America we live in.

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    16. Re:Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you can reinterpret the meaning to be anything that isn't referenced in the language, what is the point of a constitution?

    17. Re:Other interesting statistics by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      they also intended the use of them to be regulated and not just for lone-wolf ownership and application.

      On the contrary. It recognizes the lone wolf's right to have his gun, and for him to form a well regulated militia in order to protect a free state, without a government permit. They didn't exactly define "well regulated". It must have been self evident back in those days. You know, that, and other words like "reasonable" and "speedy" (especially that one, when internet lag was really serious, ping times measured in weeks/months).

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    18. Re:Other interesting statistics by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alternately, 3/4 of all producers could be turned into Soylent green with zero negative impact to society.

      Yeah, except for all the saturated fats and cholesterol and alcohol and antidepressants/opioids in their system that you'll be consuming. They should call it Soylent yellowish brown.

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    19. Re:Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Someone pointed a gun at someone else" is a violent crime (assault with a deadly weapon). So, I have to think that's being included.

      Also, assault is in the eye of the beholder, so the actor need not make any overt effort to commit the assault. The "victim" need only feel threatened in some way for an assault to occur. So, a woman in a domestic situation who knows her male partner (husband or what-have-you) owns guns, may feel scared that he will go get one and use it against her - that's technically an assault and might be included.

      I am grasping at straws, but yea every 12 minutes seems a bit far fetched.

    20. Re:Other interesting statistics by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I would be more concerned about heavy metals ... full soylent jacket?

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    21. Re:Other interesting statistics by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      If they are unreported then you cant do the math on them dumbass.
      *You* can't do the math, dumbass.

      If I have a TV show inviting females who got sexual assaulted, gathered via FB or mouth in the street, or activists web pages and I ask: who of you did report the assault, and from 100 woman only 32 raise hands; obviously 68% were unreported.

      Idiot ...

      I know 4 woman who either got raped or nearly raped. Only one reported it. Sure: small sample size ...

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    22. Re:Other interesting statistics by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Or were you counting "gun violence" to include "someone pointed a gun at someone else"?
      That obviously is gun violence, so why do you ask?

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    23. Re:Other interesting statistics by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Trying to restrict firearm ownership to the Militia is basically equivalent to barring older male citizens and all females who are not in the Guard from owning weapons. I'm sure that would go over real well...
      Strangely that is how it is done in civilized countries ...

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    24. Re:Other interesting statistics by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      Thats not a statistic you idiot. Thats a poll. No nobody would ever just go on your show to merely ‘raise awareness’ of assault and ‘for the cause’ show up and go along with your raise of hands survey that was thrown ar them on the spot. The best anyone can say is that its ESTIMATED thst half of all sexual assaults go unreported. Of course those statements also included cases of statutory rapes where both teens were consenting and also did not report it. Lumping teenage sex into the numbers in order to boost the records to ‘raise awareness’ is a stupid and detrimental thing to do. Its as bad as the asshats that altered temperatures because an anomole skewed their paper on faster-than-predicted warming. In fact deliberately inflating these numbers and including things that ‘technically’ count as assault (he grabbed my ass at the company christmas party and i slapped the shit out of him but didnt file a police report) makes the number SO high that it might in fact cause more women to NOT report real cases.

      But 68.4%? Thats complete bullshit. Fractional math only happens when you have REAL numbers of confirmed cases. None of that can happen without an actual report. There is a difference between a poll and a statistic. Your example did a poll. People can claim anything they want in a poll. HRC was ahead 65% acording to some polls, but some people lied to the polsters and voted otherwise. Never take a poll number to the bank. Your check will likely bounce.

    25. Re:Other interesting statistics by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I don't argue about the report, I argue about your dismissing the numbers and talking bullshit.

      E.g. a poll is not a statistics, aha. And if you make a statistics and your data is from a poll, what is it then?

      The USA are the only country I know about that has this retarded definition of "statutory rapes" ... what the original numbers include, who knows ...

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    26. Re:Other interesting statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An in-depth read of the Federalist Papers makes it abundantly clear that the Founders intended for every citizen to have a right to firearms in defense of their freedom, especially against freedom's public enemy number one - a large, centralized government.

      The "Militia" of that time was not organized by government, but rather The People, who had the right to join up together and defend their freedom, even if the threat is coming from their own government. In fact the Founders declared standing armies to be the enemy of freedom.

    27. Re:Other interesting statistics by e3m4n · · Score: 1

      Whats worse is a 18yo who has a 17yo g/f can find himself forever on the registered sex offenders database. He will never be able to live within 1000 yards of a school, daycare, or church. Do you know how hard it is to live outside 1000yards of one of those in the bible belt? Within 1000yds of my house is a public elementary school, a public middle school, a private religeous school k-12, a daycare, and 3 churches. We dont even categorize them like class 4 vs class 1. Forever the persons life is ruined. It shows up in job interview background checks often without details, so he gets denied jobs because someone assumes he will cause problems with female employees, etc. its not just politics here that is polarized. Jumoing to conclusions is pervasive throughout our news. Everything is guilty till proven innocent, tried in courts of public opinion. Whats worse is that I see this spreading past just the US. Its like a cancer. I read it on the internet so it must be true.

    28. Re:Other interesting statistics by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, in Europe sex like that is legal.
      Legal age is 14 if both are under 18, and 16 if one is over 18. Give or take a year depending on country.
      If it is not rape, it is not rape, but well, it is punished. Or can be. But basically only if one feels offended, or the parents are. There is no automatic prosecution, unless it is truly child abuse, then the state attorney would prosecute it. In other words: if a 14 year old girl wants to f***k her 15 year old BF: the parents can not even forbid it. That is illegal. It is a basic human right to have sex.

      Your legal records are deleted after a certain time. Stuff like: not allowed to live close to a church or school is unconstitutional. In a free country you can live where ever you want. 1000 yards is a ridiculous big distance anyway ...
      Background checks going further than the typical deletion periods would require illegal means, and except for extremely rare cases (government jobs, military, security, banking IT, nuclear power plant) no one does them anyway.

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  11. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US American's average ecological footprint is more than double the average Chinese's [source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., where you can study the methodologies to your heart's content].

    That doesn't mean everything is easy-peasy elsewhere. We're all to make our due effort, if we want to stop our so-far pretty successful attempt at de-terraforming Earth.

    So stop pointing fingers and get to work (or finish up that super-duper-supersized Big Whopper in the hopes you die early).

  12. Plastic Waste by skam240 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I like to think I'm a fairly environmental conscience person but I can't bring myself to care about most plastic waste. As long as it's properly disposed of in a landfill I just don't care. We have enough space for landfill to last at least a couple hundred years and at that point we'll probably be disintegrating our trash..

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    1. Re:Plastic Waste by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The problem about plastic is not the part that remains on land.

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    2. Re:Plastic Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh yeah? its the magical fairy dust that causes mens nuts to shrink and babies to grow unicorn horns? grow up.

    3. Re:Plastic Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's problem with the people who discard it. I'm all for purging those people, but there are tons of concern trolls who get in the way.

    4. Re:Plastic Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't want plastic not on land, don't put it there. Of course this doesn't apply in countries where the common knowledge is that properly disposed trash is placed in the ocean. There, I don't have a good solution, because countries willing to do that are also going to lie about how recycling works. I suppose you could convert it to diesel fuel?

    5. Re:Plastic Waste by internerdj · · Score: 1

      I care but meaningful changes are institutional not individual. Microbeads and straws and fast food sauce containers need some industry group finding suitable replacements before we can just get rid of those things. I'm not going to put my lips on the rim of a glass handled by some McDonald's drive thru window clown. I'm gambling enough that the people handling the food actually washed their hands, much less the guy who is doing hand to hand transactions with hundreds of people prior to handling my cup. McDonald's can't hand me a steel straw with every purchase nor does my getting fast food put me in the use case for transporting and cleaning a reusable straw.

    6. Re:Plastic Waste by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Today's landfills are tomorrow's robotic mines. Labor is just too expensive now.

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    7. Re:Plastic Waste by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I like to think I'm a fairly environmental conscience person but I can't bring myself to care about most plastic waste. As long as it's properly disposed of in a landfill I just don't care. We have enough space for landfill to last at least a couple hundred years and at that point we'll probably be disintegrating our trash..

      But ... but ... it will just lay there and do nothing!

      Oh ... yeah, I can't be too bothered about it either.

    8. Re:Plastic Waste by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Even if you ignore the problems with landfill, there are other issues.

      Plastic waste gets into the food chain. It gets into places where animals live and kills them. A lot of it is simply not properly disposed of.

      And even if we fixed that, it's better to recycle plastic than it is to create new plastic in many cases. Less energy and pollution required. It would be even better if we avoided creating some of that plastic in the first place, and make the stuff we did create easier to recycle (less dye, using the right kind of plastic etc.)

      We could also get a hell of a lot more use out of what we have before making more. Plastic bags are the classic example, they can be re-used but it wasn't until shops started charging for them that most people make much of an effort.

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    9. Re:Plastic Waste by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Well the two of us can certainly agree on that but there are plenty out there who have very strong feelings about plastic going into landfill.

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    10. Re:Plastic Waste by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, processing is too expensive. The valuable minerals are tied up in electronic waste, or metal casings and need to be smelted to recover them.

  13. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by e3m4n · · Score: 1

    Good point. Counterfeiting is so bad there that infants have died from malnutrition because they even counterfeit baby formula. Thats a special kind of fucked up right there. A few years ago they found one of their pork producers was dumping dead pigs in their rivers. Hundreds.

  14. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We are. And we're deathly afraid of the time when the average Chinese has the same environmental footprint the average American has.

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  15. 64,946 by hipp5 · · Score: 1

    The measles one is the one that really gets my goat. That number should be 0. F*** you Andrew Wakefield and Stella McCartney and all the Karens of the world.

    1. Re:64,946 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That number also gets my goat, but for a different reason. Actually, two different reasons. First, that number is meaningless without knowing what it was in past years. Actually I guess that could apply to all numbers. But second, it is the only number not represented as a percent. I cannot help but wonder if this is an example of this xkcd.

    2. Re:64,946 by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 2

      It is non-zero... that's really all that matters for this number. You don't need a percentage to know that we have outright failed to kill the damn disease. We had a shot at it, but generations of hard work are being undone.

    3. Re:64,946 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is non-zero... that's really all that matters for this number.

      Really? You don't see any value in knowing if, for example, last year that number was 32,473 or 129,892? The former would mean we had a 100% increase this year and is definitely bad, while the latter would mean we had a 50% decrease and might indicate that the undoing of "generations of hard work" has waned, which would be a very good thing.

    4. Re:64,946 by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      First, that number is meaningless without knowing what it was in past years. Actually I guess that could apply to all numbers. But second, it is the only number not represented as a percent.

      It was 17,584 the same period the year before. So to represent it as a percent: measles cases increased 369% from the period (Nov 16 - Oct 17) to (Nov 11 to Oct 18).

      Also, apologies to Stella McCartney. I meant to curse Jenny McCarthy but got them mixed up.

    5. Re:64,946 by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      More data adds information, no question, but the reason this statistic makes the list of interesting statistics is because of its non-zero value.

    6. Re:64,946 by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The anti vaccine crowd is strong. Even in Europe.

      There are doctors that encourage concerned mothers: "If you feel uncomfortable, just don't do it. Chances your child gets it (now) is only 1 in 10,000" ... But if it gets it as an adult later there are concrete chances of life time damage or even death.
      They argue: it is less healthy for the mother and the child to fire fears, than having the child get the disease.

      I'm lucky, I'm old enough to have suffered through all those "child sicknesses" during my early child hood, as have my siblings. But honestly: my sister is 9 years younger than me. It was no fun to see her every year going through one or two of those sicknesses. My own I obviously don't remember that much as I mostly was in high fever.

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  16. Smoke and mirrors waste disposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its a feel good attempt at making people think they are actually doing good by recycling. Much of my neighborhood has given up on recycling for a lot of stuff. Around me most just put out garbage and not recycling containers. Our disposal company has over the years become more picky about what they accept as recyclable material. Its getting harder to find companies making products that will buy the raw material and many are getting finicky about the quality. Last I read only around 30% of what is received is ever recycled properly. Maybe its time to reconsider all the plastic we use rather then trying to recycle something nobody wants.

    1. Re:Smoke and mirrors waste disposal by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Its a feel good attempt at making people think they are actually doing good by recycling. Much of my neighborhood has given up on recycling for a lot of stuff. Around me most just put out garbage and not recycling containers. Our disposal company has over the years become more picky about what they accept as recyclable material. Its getting harder to find companies making products that will buy the raw material and many are getting finicky about the quality. Last I read only around 30% of what is received is ever recycled properly. Maybe its time to reconsider all the plastic we use rather then trying to recycle something nobody wants.

      I'd much prefer we went back to paper and cardboard... at least if someone fails to recycle them then it at least decomposes pretty quickly if left to the elements. Naturally, this would depend on sustainable forestry techniques to be "Better"... which might actually serve as a carbon sink if we add to the woodlands we already have to grow paper.

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  17. Act locally by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    The crucial point to remember about the 90% of plastic not being recycled is where than plastic is. If it is not in your country then there is very little you can do that will affect the outcome. Many countries have far better records on recycling. So for people there to assume this figure applies to them is unhelpful and misleading.

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    1. Re:Act locally by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      It also doesn't make sense to recycle plastic simply because it's cheaper to make new plastic. The best thing you can do with used plastic is mentioned in this article:

      http://sciencenordic.com/why-s...

      Spoiler: burn it for energy.

    2. Re:Act locally by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Idiot very much?
      Obviously recycling is cheaper ... you have the ready made plastic just there and only need to melt it into a new form.

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  18. Who or what to blame ? by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

    I can't say about Canada, US or other countries, states or provinces but I know in Québec we got 2 big major problems. The first one is everything that is about our recycling system is just too old. From infrastructure to systems. Its old and not even up to date. So they need to update everything to have better recycling systems. Multiple times in the last year we had to do major dumping in the St-Laurent River. tons of waste in nature. This kind of behavior and decision is simply unacceptable

    companies that do product packaging are not doing packaging that are recyclable in my city. Yet goverment love to give a message to either blame me or point fingers at their own citizens and tell them its their fault. Sometimes, some cities taxes citizens for this kind of situation. Sorry but I don't feel bad in this. Companies should be fines for not making packages that are not recyclable in my opinion.

    1. Re:Who or what to blame ? by Red_Forman · · Score: 1

      Why are PLA-based bio-degradable plastics not more popular?

    2. Re:Who or what to blame ? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      HAD TO dump in the River? Wait, what?

      When I go to Montreal I notice huge funding for public art displays and potholes that can consume a subcompact car. This seemed, ummm, shortsighted before you mentioned dumping waste in the River. Jeeze.

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    3. Re:Who or what to blame ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because this funds the People's Liberation Army?

    4. Re:Who or what to blame ? by fluffythedestroyer · · Score: 1

      yup. once in 2015 and another one this year. Montreal dont give a crap about environment

    5. Re:Who or what to blame ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Québec's problem was the frogs.

  19. Who is "Kylie Jenner"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love it when people throw around names like everyone know them.

    1. Re:Who is "Kylie Jenner"? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      If Snapchat is relevant to you, you've heard of Kylie Jenner.

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  20. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What we're aware of is that their carbon and pollution footprint PER CAPITA is far, far below that of America and the west in general. You're basically accusing them of wrong-doing because they have a bigger population, and it's not going to work.

  21. I get it... by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the point is to leverage western guilt into recycling their water bottles or some shit.

    But isn't the BULK of ocean plastic waste pollution (90%+) coming from 10 rivers? (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plastic-tide-10-rivers-contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/)

    2 are in Africa, 8 are Asian. The Yangtze alone dumps more than all the other rivers/sources combined.

    Let's be objective then: wealthy suburban Starbucks customers could literally throw every scrap of plastic they use into the ocean directly, and they wouldn't even tickle the needle vs the megatonnage pouring from these 10 rivers. Carry all the stupid stainless-steel straws you like, you're at least giving people an idea of a cheap dumb gift they can give you at Christmas...but you're not doing *anything* for the environment.

    So these sorts of public flagellation programs - if they're produced in English, basically - amount to nothing more than virtue-signaling guilt-assuagement.

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    1. Re:I get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yup. But remember, those conditions are entirely the fault of straight, white men.

    2. Re:I get it... by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      But isn't the BULK of ocean plastic waste pollution (90%+) coming from 10 rivers? (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/stemming-the-plastic-tide-10-rivers-contribute-most-of-the-plastic-in-the-oceans/)

      If you read the article you've linked carefully, those 10 rivers account for 93% of the plastic waste entering the oceans from rivers. But they only account for ~25% of all plastic waste entering the oceans. About 73% comes from sources other than rivers if I did my math right.

      A recent study estimates that more than a quarter of all that waste could be pouring in from just 10 rivers, eight of them in Asia.

    3. Re:I get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...73% comes from sources other than rivers...

      And those sources are...?

    4. Re:I get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then this article will set everyone straight. American produces 0.9% of all mismanaged plastic waste entering oceans. Cites are provided within the article.

      https://www.earthday.org/2018/04/06/top-20-countries-ranked-by-mass-of-mismanaged-plastic-waste/

      The 19 countries that produce more waste account for 82.2% of all mismanaged plastic waste entering oceans. Almost all of those 19 countries have an access point to those 10 rivers.

      How does that strike you?

    5. Re:I get it... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Well you can start by not exporting your waste to these rivers to be dumped. Also doing something about a general problem rather than pointing at someone else and saying "but look they are worse" is not virtue-signalling.

  22. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a good point. It's just misleading. But given the intellectual honesty of Americans, I suppose making a point that misleads the discussion is to be considered good.

  23. Negativity bias much? How about the good news? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's an interesting quirk in human psychology that makes negative facts and news seem more salient than positive ones. For media that thrives on reader attention (and that's both new and old media), this naturally leads to more emphasis on the negative.

    I think this is a bias worth noting and pushing back on. The world is pretty far from perfect, but there's also huge helpings of good news all around us.

    Most of these (Daesh not withstanding, but threw them in just because they were really vile) follow the same pattern: slow but steady progress. It's hardly clickbait -- in fact these are not even specific events you can point to, they are trends seen on the scale of decades. And on the scale of decades, the world is consistently becoming a less-bad place.

    1. Re:Negativity bias much? How about the good news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US death rate from cancer continues its steady yearly drop [cancer.org]. Cumulatively, this has postponed hundreds of thousands of deaths

      Fixed that for you.

    2. Re:Negativity bias much? How about the good news? by swell · · Score: 2

      (Score:3) ?

      Good news doesn't sell, especially on /. Sarcasm is best, or just plain angry diatribes. Vile, vulgar, vapid verbosity might up your Score. But Good News? Someone here will find a dark side to the best news. Is there any popular forum where good news is welcome? Still it was nice of you to try.

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    3. Re:Negativity bias much? How about the good news? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      There are, but sadly the market for good new on the internet is like "Little boy surprised by neighbors with boy" or "firefighter rescues women from fire, finds out she was nurse at his childbirth".

      Good news on the scale of civilization-level progress over decades, not so much. . .

  24. Vodka by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Wow, my goodness. Imma stop stereotyping shots of vodka as something manly Russians do.

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  25. Talk the talk, walk the walk... by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    Sometimes one really doesn't understand. People talk about reducing plastic usage, but then they do just the opposite. Recent example: There's a particular brand of cat litter that I usually buy. Cat litter is basically fancy dirt, nothing special, and this brand packed it in a paper bag, which was fine. I went to buy another bag last week, and: they've changed to a heavy-duty plastic bag. WTF?

    I now buy a different brand of fancy dirt...

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  26. Yeah but isn't that because by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    we've been shipping our plastic waste to China? At least until recently. Given how poverty stricken those nations are I somehow doubt they're generating that much waste plastic themselves.

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    1. Re:Yeah but isn't that because by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Poverty is relative.
      E.g. monthly earning in $US is meaningless. So is GDP etc.
      And then again "rich" white people fly into "poor" countries and produce plastic waste. Thailand had 35.38 million visitors 2017. Population 70million. Obviously tourists only stay a few weeks.

      Thai people produce a huge amount of plastic waste, probably easily 10 times as much as a german. And so do tourists coming here.

      Even my GF who lives rather frugal, produces here more than 10 times the waste I do in Germany.

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  27. Not necessarily a bad thing by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    itâ(TM)s thought that around 12% of all plastic waste has been incinerated, with roughly 79% accumulating in either landfill or the natural environment

    Plastic originates from oil, and has the chemical form (C2H4)n for polyethelene, C2H3-x for PVC and polysyrene. When we bury it in a landfill, each C there is carbon which has been sequestered back underground, not combusted with atmospheric oxygen to produce CO2. In that respect, its resistance to biodegradation is a good thing, since it prevents bacteria in the landfill from converting it into CH4 (methane) and CO2. In a landfill locked in the form of plastic, that carbon is well and truly sequestered.

    Unfortunately, TFA does not make a distinction between what percentage of plastic ends up in landfills, and what percentage in the natural environment. I'm also curious if the incineration process is high enough in temperature to yield atomic carbon (soot), or if it converts the carbon into CO2. I'm guessing the latter since that yields more energy, helping defray the cost of incineration.

    1. Re:Not necessarily a bad thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and no.

      At best, I think you could argue it's a push since the petroleum that is used to make the plastics in the first place was already sequestered carbon. Not really a push, however, since the energy used to extract, produce and process the plastics is non-zero.

      Sequestration also generally refers to mitigating the release of carbon gases (usually carbon dioxide) from combustion processes. So transforming one form of non-atmospheric carbon into another form of non-atmospheric carbon isn't really sequestration.

      In the end, recycling plastics isn't about sequestration it's about whether or not it is more efficient to create new plastics from raw materials or from discarded existing materials. Therein lies the rub; if it were truly more efficient (or economically feasible) to produce new plastic from recycled materials, then plastic manufacturing companies would be all over it. The fact that so much plastic remains unrecycled seems to indicate that plastic recycling is not a viable option.

  28. Not Ever Recycled? by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    I recycle a lot - it's a mandatory law in these parts. I'm sure that I personally send in more than 10% of my plastics for food containers etc.

    BUT --- does this 90% include Childrens Toys? Cell phones, the dashboard & engine cover of my car? Meaning... Long term items that I'm still using?

    Since this has been the year of anti-plastics I've been mentally monitoring my plastic usage. Food comes wrapped in it, toys, parts of my toilet, carpet fibres, ethernet cables, my laptop, keyboard, monitor etc.

    It's hard to wrap my head around such a low recycle rate. Unless it includes items that are still alive and being used.

    1. Re:Not Ever Recycled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually in most cities they collect plastics for recycling and then put them into a landfill as there is no market to pay for the plastic waste.
      Most of what the U.S. puts in recycled plastic is not recycled in any way. Its been known since 2012 for the Adults in this nation.

    2. Re:Not Ever Recycled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that is the case. There is 50 years of plastic use with no recycling, meaning that 90% of the plastic produced in the world so far has not been recycled. New recycling protocols will change that percentage but there will need to be a lot of recycling done to put a dent into the percentage.

  29. 40% of Russian men dead before 65 by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    That's a pretty heavy drinking problem, eh? Or is it from the stress of working so hard to force the Americans to vote for Trump?

    Since we're baiting people:
    I would like to know what percentage of Slashdotters still vote GOP/DNC...

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  30. 2 problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 problems:

    1) I'm showing my age, but when I was a kid, we paid a nickel deposit on soft drink bottles, and returned the bottles at the grocery store for cash.

    We now have to pay a deposit on several kinds of glass and plastic containers. But where can we return the containers, to get our deposit back? Grocery stores won't take them. (At least not in the SF Bay area city in which I live.) And the "recycling centers" that buy back your glass and plastic containers are closing down. Right now, there's only one recycling center left, that pays for your deposit containers near where I live.

    I always recycle, whether or not I get my deposit back. But some people might put their glass and plastic containers in the trash, if they can't get their deposit back.

    2) Our local trash and recycling company tells us that they won't recycle plastic "film" (thin, soft sheets of plastic), including those soft plastic bags that hold frozen vegetables. The trash/recycling company says plastic film messes up their recycling machines. They ask us to put plastic film into our trash bin, not recycling bin.

    So I checked around, and I found a company that does take plastic film. It has collection boxes in several stores near me. So I put used plastic film into a plastic bag, and occasionally I go to one of those stores, and stuff that plastic bag into the store's plastic film collection box. I don't get paid for it, but that's ok.

    Note to self: I'll tell my trash/recycling company about those plastic film collection boxes, and ask them to mention the film collection boxes in their website, instead of telling us to put plastic film into the trash.

    1. Re:2 problems by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid you could buy a soda for a quarter stand outside the store and drink it then get the refund and buy a few pieces of penny candy.

      Now not only do they not give you the refund on the bottle and there hasn't been penny candy for years, but if kids are standing out in front the store they get hassled and asked to leave.

  31. so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    99% of plastic waste in the Pacific comes from 7 rivers in Asia.

    Go bother someone else.

  32. Re: Free the Jaffa by sheramil · · Score: 1

    "Indeed." - Teal'c

  33. Selfish twat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because your neighbor won't haul his garbage off to the dump doesn't mean you should let the trash in your yard pile up as well. Take some goddamned self responsibility for once. Clean your shit up. America will take care of America and China can take care of China.

    I see your posts every day. What this is really about is you just love to shit on China and here's a time you can point the finger away from your own dirty ass. Yours is still covered in shit. Take a bath.

  34. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Asia, Africa Cause 90% of Plastic Pollution in World's Oceans

    https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/07/26/asia-africa-cause-90-plastic-pollution-worlds-oceans-13233

  35. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Asia, Africa Cause 90% of Plastic Pollution in World's Oceans

    https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/07/26/asia-africa-cause-90-plastic-pollution-worlds-oceans-13233

    Lots more issues with China. For example, China is driving animals into extinction by paying poachers for things like elephant tusks, and rhino horns.

    I could go on. Environmental issues are not high priorities with China.

  36. you're like a fish outta water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're just flim flamming around to try and distract everyone from the bad shit because you don't like what they mean, nor the solutions it would take to fix them.

    1. Re:you're like a fish outta water by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      So citation to the data collected and analyzed by the experts in a given field is now 'flim flam'?

      I mean, who do the CDC think they are pronouncing on public health?!

  37. Re:Thanks, America? How about China? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    For example, China is driving animals into extinction by paying poachers for things like elephant tusks, and rhino horns.

    Incredibly cunty, given that Chinese medicine is a load of fucking shit.

    At least with homeopathy one rhino horn would be enough to last forever.

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  38. Poverty is not relative by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Poverty means two things:

    a. Not having consistent access to basics required for a decent human life (Food, shelter, education, healthcare & transportation).

    b. Being able to be forced to do things you don't want to do because you don't have access to those things (join the military, sell drugs, prostitution, work a job you hate that's also dangerous, etc, etc).

    Poverty is when you don't have enough resources to live a good life and that others with access to those resources can force you to do as they say. That's poverty.

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