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Tumblr Blocked Archivists Just Before Starting the NSFW Content Purge (techdirt.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Techdirt: By now, of course, you're aware that the Verizon-owned Tumblr (which was bought by Yahoo, which was bought by Verizon and merged into "Oath" with AOL and other no longer relevant properties) has suddenly decided that nothing sexy is allowed on its servers. This took many by surprise because apparently a huge percentage of Tumblr was used by people to post somewhat racy content. Knowing that a bunch of content was about to disappear, the famed Archive Team sprung into action -- as they've done many times in the past. They set out to archive as much of the content on Tumblr that was set to be disappeared down the memory hole as possible... and it turns out that Verizon decided as a final "fuck you" to cut them off. Jason Scott, the mastermind behind the Archive Team announced over the weekend that Verizon appeared to be blocking their IPs. Thankfully, it didn't take long for the Archive Team to get past the blocks. Scott tweeted on Sunday: "why look at that the archiving of tumblr restarted how did that happen must be a bug surely a crack team of activist archivists didn't see an ip block as a small setback and then turned everything up to 11."

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  1. What does that mean? by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Funny

    "why look at that the archiving of tumblr restarted how did that happen must be a bug surely a crack team of activist archivists didn't see an ip block as a small setback and then turned everything up to 11."

    Huh? this is the most incomprehensible sentence since "Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?". Do I just need mode Covfefe?

    1. Re: What does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If 'Scott' had known of punctuation:

      Why look at that, the archiving of tumblr restarted! How did that happen? Must be a bug - surely a crack team of activist archivists didn't see an IP block as a small setback and then turned everything up to 11?

    2. Re: What does that mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's called eloquence. If you are not a professional grade porn archiver, you probably will not understand.

    3. Re:What does that mean? by Headw1nd · · Score: 5, Informative

      Somewhat ashamed to know this, but the lack of punctuation is a tumblr convention - Usage indicates that the writer is "speaking" quickly or off-the-cuff, and is frequently used in situations where someone is mocking another's actions or intent. It's meant to imitate a certain speech pattern where one speaks quickly at a consistent tempo.

  2. Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    OK. In a legal battle between legitimate archival of content, and the laws governing unauthorized computer system access, which one wins?

    It is quite clear that Verizon DID NOT authorize the archivists to archive the data prior to the mass purge, as evidenced by the imposition of the IP blocking. As such, there is a strong case to be made that Archive.org was in contravention of the CFAA, and the workaround could be said to be a technical means of circumvention of that restriction of access (and thus, technically 'hacking', even though I REALLY hate to use such a word for such a simple solution.)

    It is also quite clear that there is a cultural asset that was going to be removed, purely for PR reasons by Verizon-- which was in need of preservation, and the Archive.org folks acted to accomplish that preservation.

    So... Which wins here? Just curious.

    1. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If a website is publicly accessible 24/7, how can you make a case for unauthorized access?

    2. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by wierd_w · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Archive.org admits that their IP range was explicitly blocked.

      This is like saying "Hey, I noticed there was a lock on the front door, so I went in the back. Clearly, this was the proper thing. There was never a lock there before!"

      Nevermind that the very presence of the lock, indicates that the building's owner wishes to restrict entry.

    3. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by Desler · · Score: 2

      Because they were being blocked and publicly announced they were circumventing that very block. If Verizon wanted to be malicious that would provide perfect fodder for a case against them.

    4. Re:Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have noticed that the younger generation doesn't understand this: if you put it on a public network and don't require authorization, it isn't "unauthorized access". You don't need permission. Oddly the younger generation seems fine with data collection by corporations without any "authorization" at all.

    5. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      What case? No one needs permission to access a publicly accessible website. Good grief. Have people sunk this low to think you need permission from everyone before doing anything?

    6. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      If there was a login, maybe, but I'm not sure something that could be accidentally defeated by a dynamic IP is equivalent to a bouncer.

    7. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by Falos · · Score: 2

      >there was a lock on the bathroom doors in a public park
      >there was a lock on a door on property marked private

      This analogy has always disingeniously leaned on a hidden implication.

      A public facing server with no credentials or any "authorization" demand is intentfully and openly broadcasting files.

      If your accidentally-posted spreadsheet says "For viewing by Supertech Inc employees only" at the top, I'm willing to acknowledge even that tiny shitstain as a mark of private property.

      If you accidentally staple it to the park message board, unlabeled, your tantrums will fall on deaf ears, blame the guy with the stapler or better yet, your failure-inviting IT budget.

    8. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is like saying "Hey, I noticed there was a lock on the front door, so I went in the back. Clearly, this was the proper thing. There was never a lock there before!"

      I'd agree with the analogy if tumblr had created all the content in the first place, content which made them famous on the web, then they decided to remove it from the web.

      That's not the case here though. Users created the content, and that content was what made the site famous. Then the company unilaterally decided to pull the users' content off the web, which they're allowed to do since it's their servers hosting it. Verizon doesn't own that content though, the users who uploaded it to tumblr did. As such, Verizon doesn't have the right to selectively block archive.org from accessing that content. The copyright holder has control over distribution, not Verizon. So Verizon has no right to discriminate against who can view the artworks (unless the copyright holders ceded that right to them - I dunno what tumblr's TOS say).

      So the more appropriate analogy here would be an art studio allowed people to hang their artwork on the walls of their building for the public to view. This became quite popular, making the building famous and a popular destination for tourists, and also making it quite valuable. Then suddenly the studio decides that it wants to remove some of that artwork (which it has the right to do since it's their building). Prior to the date of removal, the door is never locked. The public is still allowed to come in and view/make copies of the artwork. But when a photographer arrives to take photos of all the artwork to be removed, the studio blocks him (and only him) from entry.

    9. Re:Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      For what it is worth, I agree with you.

      However, what you or I assert, is not what holds authority.

      If enough of us assert it, it does. Either the laws are explicitly changed, or the courts "interpret" them to suit the current zeitgeist. I would argue that the "no permission needed to access any public website" convention is already firmly established in people's expectations, and IP range blocking does not constitute access control. When literally any other member of the public can access the site, an IP range block is the equivalent of "No Negros" on a public bathroom door.

      I am choosing that analogy with precision, not for the fact it triggers a percentage of the population. I consider the position of the copyright maximalist lobby to be precisely equivalent to the position of racists in 1960s America. They are that far diverged from the general population and they are that morally wrong. Media is culture. Attempting to own all media in perpetuity is attempting to own a culture, which is a hop, skip, and a jump away from owning people. Owning all media forever is an attempt to own minds, and from a certain angle, that looks an awful lot like slavery. Now I'm being slightly hyperbolic, but I'm also quite serious.

      George Orwell didn't make control of all media a central aspect of 1984 on a whim. He well understood the power it confers. I'm saying this is that. Between net neutrality being abolished and the CFAA being interpreted as a hammer to smash the likes of Aaron Swartz, we're well down that slippery slope, and accelerating. Archive.org pushing back is absolutely essential, and every last one of us needs to add our voices to theirs.

    10. Re: Devil's Advocate / Semi-serious question by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      You want the ideal analogy? Archive.org probably just downloaded such a vast amount that the tumblr operators noticed it and classed it as some sort of DDoS or abuse.

      So this is like an all-you-can-eat restaurant banning a customer because they have a stomach like a trash compactor.

  3. Re:The more I think about the Internet Archive, th by rudy_wayne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good idea.

    Let the dictators write the history books.

  4. Re:Archiving tumblr is stupid. by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might be surprised how valuable tumblr might be to future historians and anthropologists.

    The bullshit, and moronic things that people do with cameras and the like, are a valuable window in the the currently modern era. That it was uncensored, uncurated, and unabashed-- means it is of the MOST value to such future generations of historians-- It is free from the associated biases those practices append.

  5. Re:Much ado about nothing by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Technically, the exemption to the DMCA that legitimate archival teams have allows them to violate copyright for the purposes of preservation. Copyright is the authority to impose a terms of use; For the use that Archive.org has, (archival), they are granted an explicit blanket exception--- so, they can basically ignore a terms of use document as long as their reason for doing so lies within their established operations.

    However, there do appear to be several grey and unexplored areas, legally speaking, with this action. See below, my semi-serious question.

  6. Re:Yay! Save the porn! by butzwonker · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't see a any noteworthy difference between sexual exploitation and non-sexual exploitation. Some people get more upset about sexual issues than about other issues, because sex is still taboo in most societies and thinking about sex in the US is strongly influenced by Puritanism. The exaggerated concern about sexual issues is irrational and in some cases also very hypocritical. There is nothing wrong with sex, there is nothing wrong with masturbating and there is nothing wrong with pornography produced by consenting adult actors. And there is certainly nothing wrong with "female-presenting nipples". Moral outrage about these issues mostly indicates a certain lack of maturity.

    Now exploitation, that's a bad thing, or at least it sounds bad to me. We can agree on that. But that's a separate discussion.

  7. Hiding Misdeeds and Hypocrisy by Kunedog · · Score: 2

    It should be the case that they get express permission from a site owner before archiving a site.

    Or make it far easier than it currently is for a site to be deleted from the Archive.

    Plenty of sleazy journos who want to stealth-edit their articles agree with you.

  8. Protocols vs. services by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the old days, the internet was built on protocols. "Social media" mostly meant things like Usenet and IRC, and people hosted websites by spinning up an Apache instance that spoke HTTP and would serve their content to anyone who asked. And so there was never that big of a stink about censorship-by-nonprovision-of-services, since anyone could run an IRC server. Communities themselves were responsible for their own infrastructure. Don't like a particular IRC client? Use a different one. Don't like the folks who run a particular IRC server? Run your own.

    But now that "I have apache running on a linux box in my basement hosting my blog" has given way to these "services", where communication platforms usually involve a for-profit company running all the infrastructure themselves in an opaque way. Aside from all the other issues that come from a corporate advertising-supported model, people are now learning that you can't trust these companies. The people I know who use tumblr as a primary means of communication are all going "gee, I wonder who else we can trust? We thought we could trust these folks."

    But ... this isn't inevitable, and there's no reason that the next big thing in social networking can't be designed as an open protocol, with no central point of control -- a system where people may choose to provide the infrastructure required to power their Facegram or Instabook or whatever themselves, or (more likely) hire someone replaceable to do it for them. Open protocols can't be sold out and can't be owned.

    Hardware capability is through the roof now. My smartphone has more storage, more processing power, and more bandwidth than the machines hosting IRC servers not that many years ago. There are no technical barriers to crowd-hosted social media.

    1. Re:Protocols vs. services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. Unfortunately, there's not a clear path from here to there.

      The good news is that in the lists of Tumblr alternatives, I did see some people seriously considering Plume, which is a federated blogging platform that can connect to other Fediverse federated blogs.

      In practice, the vast majority of people are not technical and aren't going to figure out how to run their own servers. That doesn't mean they'll never run their own servers; it means people with technical skills have to make running your own server user-friendly before they will. FreedomBox is one project working on that; the current state doesn't look super-user-friendly, but I think the goal is to be able to sell a box that you plug into your home internet that already has the software installed and can be configured over an easy web interface. Obviously, getting someone to install software is easier than getting them to buy a piece of hardware... although, most of the FreedomBox project is about making the software easier to use.

      Getting away from the corporate-hosted model for everyone's content involves both the outreach of making people understand it's a bad idea and actually giving them better options.

  9. IndieWeb is missing recommendation by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    people hosted websites by spinning up an Apache instance that spoke HTTP and would serve their content to anyone who asked. And so there was never that big of a stink about censorship-by-nonprovision-of-services

    How did people become "anyone who asked" in the first place?

    there's no reason that the next big thing in social networking can't be designed as an open protocol, with no central point of control

    The IndieWeb community is trying to build a more protocol-centric social web. Each IndieWeb user registers a domain and buys hosting to hold his or her own posts, and IndieWeb sites use Webmention requests (similar to pingbacks) to notify other sites that replies have been posted. Right now, the biggest missing piece of IndieWeb is a recommendation engine to suggest related works by other authors.

    Hardware capability is through the roof now.

    IPv4 address space, by contrast, is not. Nor is IPv6 routing; I haven't seen evidence that an IPv6-only website can become successful in gaining and keeping readers.

    My smartphone has more storage, more processing power, and more bandwidth than the machines hosting IRC servers not that many years ago.

    But it's missing one thing: the ability to accept incoming connections on IPv4. Most cellular ISPs put their subscribers behind carrier-grade NAT, as do even home ISPs in some countries. These ISPs give the same public IP address to a whole neighborhood and will refuse to forward inbound port 443 on your neighborhood's IP address to your machine.

  10. Re:Yay! Save the porn! by MrNJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's only a "problem" if you assume that selling your body for sex is somehow worse than selling your body for manual labor (getting paid to dig ditches or run network cables) or selling your intellectual ability
    It's not. It's the same thing. In a free society consenting adults can sell whatever they have.
    Of course on this site "free society" and "libertarian" are the insults.

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  11. Note quite by aepervius · · Score: 2

    It was more akin to have a guard at the door telling people they would not be accepted in if they came from the direction from the local library, but it is open door for everybody else not coming from the direction of the library. Then the local librarian went past the house and came back from the other way and the guardsman left him in. Nothing illegal and nothing was broken.

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  12. Re:Yay! Save the porn! by butzwonker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is about improving the working conditions of adult actors, then you can totally count me in. I've been for improved and free health care and social security not just for actors but also for sex workers during all my adult life so far. I also think there should be better mental health care for such professions (and paid leave, if necessary), because this kind of work is stressful.

    What I don't get is why consuming porn makes you "greedy" and what makes this "a problem". As I've said, this view is irrational and based on silly old taboos and religious superstitions. Adult actors are mostly in it for money, not for fun, these jobs pay way more than you could ever earn in any low wage job, but also come with a high level of distress and social stigmatization because of silly taboos. So your comparison to low wage jobs is puzzling. Now if your opinion is that it's better if adult actors would work at McDonald's and therefore the working conditions at McDonald's ought to be improved, I'd say, okay, that's an opinion one could have although I still don't see the point of it.

    Everybody should get a high enough salary to make a decent living under decent working conditions in any profession, so I'd focus on improving both kind of jobs.

  13. Re:Archiving tumblr is stupid. by Falos · · Score: 2

    "Only applies to un/important things, as decided by Our Betters."

    This attitude seems benign in regard to what I too consider socnet drivel, but the same approach is used to arbitrarily axe, vilify, or even prosecute. Sometimes against a single person, sometimes upon a nation. Often it's Because Terrorists, Because Drugs, Think Of Children, etc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse)

    Let's say that big boy word again because it's The Point: arbitrarily

  14. Re:Yay! Save the porn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    so you think that we can kill the demand by eliminating the supply? If so, i have a bridge to sell you! There is a reason that someone who sells their body for sex is one of the oldest professions in history, reducing the supply will only increase the demand as every other type of prohibition has always done.

    Some people will always want to sell their bodies for sex as well, you should try talking to a sex worker, it may suprise you what their thoughts are on the matter. We definitly shouldnt be trying to make their minds up for them because the thing is that the majority of the consenting adults who perform in that industry could easily get other jobs and quite a few of them do have jobs and still do sex work because they like it and why not get paid for doing something you like.

    As for your argument about their psyche, are you a doctor? do you think its fair to paint everyone with the same brush? After all, how can you say that some events are bad for their psyche when they believe they are in it voluntarily? EVERY event in our lives marks our psyche and you have just determined that those specific actions are bad, based on no evidence and without having any form of communication with those people at all, instead you believe that your ideals are the best ideals and everyone else should have to follow them instead of being their own individual and making their own individual choices. Yet you have the gall to talk about exploitation in the same breath as you talk about exploiting the rest of us to fulfill your fantasy world.

    For the record, I sit in the legalize sex work camp, where people who want to do it can freely do it with the protections that every other kind of work gets. This also allows to reduce the stigma so that the people who don't want to do it can easily get out by going to the authorities. Much like how labor laws made it harder to exploit the worker, the same kind of protections should be made available for those who do and don't want to work in the sex work industry.

  15. Re:Much ado about nothing by jythie · · Score: 2

    The thing about historical value is you tend to not know what is going to be important until later.

  16. Re:Yay! Save the porn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's your opinion. Mine is different, I see a clear distiction between those two, as I expressed above. So let's agree to differ.

    That's fine for you, it that case I recommend you do not sell your body for sex.

    But that doesn't mean it isn't fine for other people who have different views.

  17. Punctuation Nazis by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 3, Funny

    Perhaps they are posting from an iPhone lol

  18. Re: Yay! Save the porn! by TheMeuge · · Score: 2

    So you're free not to look. Your freedom not to be offended doesn't give you the right to regulate legal content you find objectionable, as long as you're not forced to consume it.