ACLU To Feds: Your 'Hacking Presents a Unique Threat To Individual Privacy' (arstechnica.com)
The American Civil Liberties Union, along with Privacy International, a similar organization based in the United Kingdom, have now sued 11 federal agencies, demanding records about how those agencies engage in what is often called "lawful hacking." From a report: The activist groups filed Freedom of Information Act requests to the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and nine others. None responded in a substantive way. "Law enforcement use of hacking presents a unique threat to individual privacy," the ACLU argues in its lawsuit, which was filed Friday in federal court in New York state. "Hacking can be used to obtain volumes of personal information about individuals that would never previously have been available to law enforcement."
*crickets*
That's the real reason for the government shut down, to delay the Mueller Investigation.
Just make the requirements similar to a regular physical search.
Anything not in "plain view" (I.e. on a publicly viewable web page, etc.) should require a warrant supported by probable cause. And that warrant should describe with reasonable particularity what is being searched for, and law enforcement may only take measures in conformity the such limitations. So no fishing expeditions, mass scrapes of data looking for edict of unrelated criminal activity, copying entire contact lists, etc. Where law enforcement need to impersonate someone, the requirements should be the same as for an undercover operation/sting.
Private accounts should be treated like private residences. Where an access control must be bypassed, the warrant requirements should be same as for opening a locked door. If you use a work account, your employer has the right to allow a search, just as they could let the police search your desk.
No doubt. Pulling out of Syria and Afghanistan RIGHT AFTER PUTIN SUGGESTED IT was kind of obvious also. Unfortunately for Trump, the special counsel isn't furloughed or delayed by the shutdown. They're working all winter lol.
The ACLU are left wing communists. The government is also made of left wing communists. A wash.
Corporatism != Free Market
In America, in the last 2 years, we have learned that there is no way information cannot be used in a non-partizan way.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
is like lawful pilfering, lawful rapes, lawful murders, lawful robber-barons...
The moment an organization declares it's dismantling freedom and rights of its own people "lawfully", they should be executed to a man (and woman of course). You declare you're shredding what the nation stand for "for their safety", you get scaphism. It's certainly not trying to effect change from the inside using the law that's going to stop them from cranking the abuses up - the law's what they're using to do it.
"The First Amendment to the Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its content." = A website Lorem-slogan, IS NOT their actual policy or history, and certainly not the truth of the Constitutional protections.
You're conflating their website with the legal specifics. That's not going to prove anything. If you need to test this, go shout bomb threats in an airport and find out.
No one will defend you on 1st Amendment grounds from the FAA fine and/or imprisonment, because your oversimple understanding does not actually apply like that.
I submitted USA's own mass surveillance program 'Hemisphere' and that story NEVER got published. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/... [eff.org]
Does CIA/NSA has / . on its payroll?
All governments conduct or sponsor hacking. The principal difference between the United States and China is that American hacking is subject to review by the judicial branch of government. Hence, the American Civil Liberties Union can sue Washington to curb American hacking or to expose its extent.
Chinese hacking is not subject to such constraints. China is a brutal, authoritarian society.
So, hacking by Westerners is not morally equivalent to hacking by Chinese or even Indians.
https://www.theatlantic.com/id...
When someone stands accused of sexual assault in criminal court, does the ACLU believe in the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard merely because that is what the Constitution requires, or because it is better to leave some guilty people unpunished than to punish many innocents? “The old-school ACLU knew there was no contradiction between defending due process and ‘supporting survivors,’” David French writes. “Indeed, it was through healthy processes that we not only determined whether a person had been victimized, but also prevented the accused from becoming a ‘survivor’ of a profound injustice.”
Says the criminal defense attorney Scott Greenfield:
In other words, speech that is not particularly controversial and thus never needed protection.
I read the summary of this article and read the previous summary and...
The US and the rest of the "free world" (such as it is) is bitching and moaning about APT10, a so-called hacking collective. Whilst the "free world" goes on hacking sprees against their own citizens (five-eyes, etc).
It's not about catching criminals (the ACLU is falling into the semantics trap). It's about "instant dossiers" on people who might upset "the system" - i.e., the incumbent powers that be. Everyone has skeletons, and without "second chances" (the US since its founding had been the land of second chances - ability to re-invent oneself, until recently, with this data collecting bullshit tied to Real ID), there is not a politician in the US that can effect change.
The future is a mishmash of Big Brother, Little Brothers (private companies collecting data to sell you things, for example) Brave New World, and GATTACA, in the worst possible way. Because every time I think something has gotten as worse as it can get, it gets worser by orders of magnitude, so my ruminations here and in my head can't possibly imagine the tyrannical dystopia coming down the road.
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https://www.bartleby.com/73/15...
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BMO
Why not?
There is not and cannot be any law prohibiting (by prior restraint of speech) the shouting of bomb threats in an airport, nor of the shouting of fire in a crowded theatre.
If you think there is is it because YOU are confused.
Go prove me wrong, go shout your bomb threat at the airport. The FAA will be there to guard your Constitutional rights, no doubt faggot. Go, prove it. Stop blathering your bullshit and put your money where your dumb mouth is.
Permission of the target that is. For one thing, all reasonable standards of evidence go out the window. That invites planting evidence. And since the feds are in no way morally superior to other people (if anything, they are significantly less moral), it will happen and in many cases the victim will not be able to mount an effective defense. The second problem is that people that need to fear being hacked in this way (and everybody not perfectly boring needs to) will self-censor. That is the death of civil society.
Of course, authoritarians of all colors, and especially the religious fuckups, will welcome that. Individual thoughts? We cannot have that! These people may find out that all authoritarian legends are just smoke and mirrors! And where do you find most authoritarians? Right, in government service. Because that is what they crave: Universal order, enforced by as much violence as needed. No deviations. No disruptions. No progress. No individuality.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Pulling out, what are you saying, the US should stay until Syria and Afghanistan are what totally knocked up, another series of baby terrorist organisation born to keep the forever war going. What the fuck are they doing in Syria in the first place, what problems have they ever solved in Afghanistan, the problem the US created in the first place and bragged about it. So destroy Afghanistan as a modern society and keep doing it there in after, why, what is the purpose, what problem is being solved. We all know what problems are being created and exacerbated but tell us what problems are being solved by continuing to fuck over Syria and Afghanistan and we have all heard how it props up war industrial complex profits, I mean they actually brag about it and call it a feature but yeah the majority of people don't and call it seriously insane psychopathic shit to kill people for profit.
So what Chrissie presents will the US government and the US people be delivering to Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians, Lebanese, Palestinians, Libyans, Yemenis, Somalians, Pakistani's, Chrissie bombs, feel good bombs, health care bombs (euthanasia as freedom from the suffering caused by the sheer unadulterated greed of the US).
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
If ACLU still has any sense of dignity left it would join Uncle Sam in accusing the Chinese of hacking rather than accusing Uncle Sam as the hacker.
http://fortune.com/2018/12/20/u-s-china-hacking-indictment/