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Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand and UK Accuse China of APT10 Hacking Spree (zdnet.com)

A day after the US Department of Justice charged two Chinese nationals for being members of a state-sponsored hacking group and accused the Chinese government of orchestrating a string of hacks around the world, five other governments have stepped in with similar accusations. From a report: Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, and the UK have published official statements today formally blaming China of hacking their government agencies and local companies. All statements are in regards to the supposed involvement of the Chinese Ministry of State Security (MSS) in supporting the activity of a hacking group known as APT10. In a DOJ indictment yesterday, the US says this group hacked companies in 12 countries, and later breached cloud service providers, wormed through their infrastructure, and hacked even more companies. US officials said the primary purpose of these hacks was to steal trade secrets and intellectual property that the Chinese government later passed to local Chinese companies, helping create an unfair advantage for local firms on the global market.

61 comments

  1. If these people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    spent half the time and energy securing their resources as they do whining about people stealing them we would not have an issue.

    1. Re:If these people by jpaine619 · · Score: 2

      You're an idiot. I don't say that lightly. Nothing is impervious to attack. With the internet it's even less so.

      You build a secure system.. You invest time into it.. Now your adversary has all of the time in the world to attempt to breach it. In fact, you may have thousands of adversaries that you don't even know about.

      Even if you build a system to accept connections from only a single IP address, if the machine at that particular IP address is breached (or any of the addresses allowed to connect to it) then you have a problem.. Once anything is connected to the public internet it is vulnerable. At best you can only secure it against known attacks.

    2. Re:If these people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the basic shit lesson, non-security nanny-tutor? Stop pretending you're a security-anything.

    3. Re: If these people by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Those apologetics... Yikes.

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      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
    4. Re:If these people by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      wow, common sense.

    5. Re: If these people by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      My point is that, in opposition to what the GP said, securing a system is not a one time deal. You do the best you can, and that is never going to be enough. Security is in evolving system. You defend against what you can today and tomorrow you defend against the new threats.. You can try to defend against unknown attacks, but that is a pretty hard thing to do.

      But yeah, good comeback... "Those apologetics.." hope you didn't blow a blood vessel thinking that one up.

    6. Re:If these people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like basic shit from a moron.

    7. Re:If these people by Kuruk · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. Hire smart IT people and pay them well to secure data. That's what google does, Apple does.

      Quit the whining.

    8. Re:If these people by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      If Chinese ACs didn't try to divert attention from the real problem we could focus on the issue at hand.

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      Just another day in Paradise
  2. Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

    Obviously, I don't know what our security agencies get up to.but it seems that we have a cyber-war going on that is being fought by only one side.

    1. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Obviously, I don't know what our security agencies get up to" - Yes, that is very obvious now. Thank you.

    2. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      NSA and GCHQ allowed China to get "western" telco networks so the NSA and GCHQ could spy deep into China. That was Plan A.
      The CIA and MI6 want to create as many spies in China as they can so the needs a lot people (spies) moving in and out of China.

      What the NSA, CIA, GCHQ and MI6 though is that spying would always be into China on their terms.
      Spies into China. People who studied in the West returning to Chain to spy for the CIA and MI6 for generations with decades of direct spy results from deep in the Communist Party.
      That "Freedom" and "Democracy" once experienced in the West would convert people from China to go back to China as spies.
      That the FBI and MI5 would never allow China to use the same methods to spy back into the West.
      The FBI and MI5 only had the staff numbers to watch embassy spy attempts and to follow reported spy attempts.
      China never needed to make direct spy attempts so the FBI and MI5 stayed busy with other nations that spied a lot.
      Trusted Communists from China learned along side the best in the West for decades.
      How did China not fall for such generational spy plans by the CIA and MI6?
      China only every allowed decades of the most loyal, most skilled and tested Communist party members to study for "free" in the best university systems the West had.
      MI6 and CIA recruitment attempts all got reported back and any spy networks in China got discovered.
      The CIA did have more success in finding Communist party members with lifestyle problems eg gambling and getting them to spy for the USA in China.
      Until China mapped out all the CIA agents following Communist party members around outside China.

      The part the "West" really fails to understand was the direct decades of technology transfer from top UK and US university settings back to China.
      The USA and UK got to teach China for "free" at the same rate the UK/US educated it next generation of NSA, GCHQ, CIA and MI6 staff.
      The same university graduated the tech experts that filled the USA and China mil/gov.
      Every telco advancement was educated at the same rate. China did not have to "spy" as it was getting the same education for "free" over decades along with the "West" best.
      What the CIA thought was a way to get spies for China missions was a way for China to gather all Western emerging tech.
      Now China has a total overview of all Western tech and the same "how" of the West telco and computer systems every generation.
      Communist party "loyalty" ensured all the knowledge gained is free of CIA spy networks.

      How will the CIA and MI6 make this work out? Plan "B" was always ready.
      Protest movements and CIA back regional independence movements deep in China.
      Billions in new funding for freedom to spread all over China.
      China may have most of the advanced Western tech but the CIA has the minds of the freedom and faith groups.
      The CIA has the world best anthropology. Its full CIA color revolution time in China. Environment, censorship, police matters, faith, music, art, culture all get US funding to make protests happen.
      Books, comics, cartoons, faith, hobbies, music, TV, decadence all get promoted all over China as an alternative to stifling Communism.
      Like "new" cartoons from Japan written with super addictive plots for China? A generation wastes all their study time collecting and reading "fiction" from Japan.

      The CIA will distract generations from education in China with "free" escapist "freedoms" and endless new addictive counter culture.
      Artists in the Uk, USa, Japan and South Korea can mass market "freedom" and new "faiths" that will out pace any Communist teachings.
      Protest movements for everyone in China. Fun and freedom for all.
      Time for another CIA Tibetan program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... but with all other groups in China the Communists cant control.
      Spying into China did not work so well.
      Lets see what the best US

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      "Fought by only one side?" You really think the US and all other countries are not doing the same? You really think the US doesn't hack, spy, and steal secrets to favor its companies or to get an edge politically? Personally, I tend to believe the US is the most active country in this "war".

    4. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      I would be more cruel. You really think Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a foreign policy opinion of their own. The US/UK cabal squawks and the vassal states chime in. It looks so awful now, the US has dragged Australia's foreign policy reputation through the mud, stained and worthless, nothing but quisling foreign policy state. Just stop doing it, it sells nothing any more and just makes them, well, us just look worse and more pathetic. Continue to try to fuck with Australian trade with China and there will be repercussions.

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      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    5. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TL:DR oh, and you're full of shit because you don't have a clue what any of these agencies want. Try not making shit up for a change.

    6. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You're hilarious. Go to anyone of those countries and tell them what you said, and you'll likely get your ass kicked.

      --
      Just another day in Paradise
    7. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont be too harsh to him. He has been digesting so much MSM BS and "analyzed" it.

    8. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Spying is where the governments collect data for political reasons, and in case of war. This is accepted. Countries have to try to defend themselves.

      What China is doing is not that. At all. It is economic warfare; something all the other major countries agree not to use their spies for during peace time. It is insane that they think they'll be a big country, exporting lots of products to the world, and also engaging in economic warfare against their trade partners. Just insane.

    9. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice attempt to obfuscate what Russia and China are trying to do to us.

      The "Springs" were done by the communists as a trial run to do it on us.

    10. Re:Time for the Rest of US to Get Serious by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The funny part is the CIA, NSA, GCHQ, MI6 let China get away with so much free spying for decades....
      Did they all get told to let China spy in the West?
      Who held back the best efforts by the FBI, MI5 to stop spying by China?
      Did the West have its own long term plans to counter spying by China?

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  3. This should be interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how many dead-in-the-brain Trump supporters will extend their defense of Russia's hacking crimes to China, using the exact same bullshit arguments? (*Grabs popcorn)

  4. What goes around comes around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the ECHELON countries are crying they are being hacked.

    1. Re:What goes around comes around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ECHELON didn't hack into China's networks. You're confusing data collection regimes with intrusive exfiltration and corporate spying - like a moron might do in defense of a state-backed criminal enterprise like China.

  5. The irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, the irony.

  6. Re:You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your issue is comprehension of the issue.

    No. PP's comprehension is spot on. If the NSA and other TLAs worried more about securing domestic assets and less about how they were going to poke around themselves, we (and our 5 Eyes partners) wouldn't be in the sorry state we are in now.

    Fuck off moron,

    Fuck off, Putin puppet. We know whos mouthpiece you are.

  7. Re:You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well done! You've added a lot to the discussion here as well.

  8. Unplug their internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to unplug China from the rest of the world.

    1. Re: Unplug their internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Then we can clean the clocks of the dozen or so other nations who practice this fast. I figure we can knock out at least 2-3 subpoenas and equipment confiscations a week. Go NSA! Destroy the tangled web today! Thatâ(TM)s hundreds of thousands of Americans who can sleep safely at night without the creepy finger and glittering teeth of the hackers in their faces constantly

  9. We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should find and EXECUTE any known persons who do this regardless if they acted alone, with a group, or state-backed.
    Yup, it would start a real war. The average person has no clue any of this state-sponsored espionage is an every day thing.
    Start executing people for doing it and the world would maybe see what is exactly happening.

    Fuck, why are governments so fucking shitty and evil.

    I understand it is never going to stop, but the idealist in me knows and longs for a better world.

    I kinda secretly wish all governments would spiral into failure and the world economy would just cease to be a thing.

    1. Re:We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kinda secretly wish you'd just realize your pointless ramblings aren't going to happen and start making productive observations instead. I guess we're both disappointed.

      The issue of freedom vs. good governance has always been there. It will always be there. Asking why governments are evil requires a point of view and a morality system applied. It varies.

      That's why "good" Germans supported Hitler and "decent" Americans were fooled into thinking a wall would save their lives. They became stupid by choice, and they enabled authoritarian manipulators to rule.

      That's the lesson. Don't be stupid, don't fall for the bullshit advertisement, demand proof and accountability - or just take it up the ass like a Trump supporter on the way to the gallows.

    2. Re: We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah the wall. Ever wonder how Mexicans get under the existing wall so fast?

    3. Re:We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by jpaine619 · · Score: 2

      I kinda secretly wish all governments would spiral into failure and the world economy would just cease to be a thing.

      Are you one of those idiots who thinks the world would be better with anarchy? Or is it just capitalism? Do you have any idea just how shitty life was before capitalism? It wasn't good man... It wasn't like the movies.. Do you understand that prior to the invention of antibiotics that any infection was potentially life threatening? A broken bone could KILL you.. It didn't always, but it sure as fuck killed a lot of people.. Marrow infections, etc...

      For fuck's sake, the average lifespan globally in 1950, was 50 years old. (global average - the industrialized nations had much higher lifespans of course). But that was only 68 years ago. Also, just as an aside, in Asia and the Middle East, in 1950, the average lifespan was 42.

    4. Re: We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Ah the wall. Ever wonder how Mexicans get under the existing wall so fast?

      The problem is that you people seem to think that even a partial success is a failure. Are walls perfect? No... But the Berlin Wall showed that they are effective. They aren't foolproof, but they are absolutely more effective than having nothing.

      What idiot thinks that 1,500 miles of barbed wire is going to stop anyone?

      Why is it racist to think that 30,000,000 illegals, in a country that takes in 1,000,000 legal immigrants PER YEAR, might be a problem?

    5. Re:We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarianism defined ^^

    6. Re: We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes. Starving and harassed Mexicans are fun to watch. How about we starve them some more?

    7. Re: We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, the Israeli wall works and is decried as a humanitarian affront...

    8. Re: We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Berlin Wall wasn't built to keep people out it was built to keep those living behind the wall from escaping the Soviet Bloc. Never really understood why the Soviets were so intent on keeping people in their territory who didn't want to be there. It was always entertaining to see the Soviets try to keep the eastern bloc Olympic athletes from defecting as soon as they got to the host country.

      And if the US is expected to accept all the refugees in Central America no questions asked than the US should just annex all the countries they are fleeing from. Send the military in first to kill those needing to be killed then start commercial development and building jungle villas for the huge influx of American tourists. And since Europe has been inundated with refugees from Syria and other ME hell holes they should brush off their old colonization how to guides and claim pick up some real estate of their own as payment for allowing refugees into their countries.

    9. Re:We should find and EXECUTE any known persons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's interesting to me is that you think the memes don't apply to your side.

      After decades of control by communists all of a sudden you're told to believe Russia is evil?

      Not buying it. It's a smoke screen so that when the witch hunts come to find Russki "traitors" in the GOP you won't be applying the magnifying back to find the shit tons of Russki traitors in the Dems.

  10. Re:You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enter the keyboard "badass"

  11. Re:You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did I somehow slip sideways into YouTube comments? I gotta quit scrolling down. Nothing but petulant antagonists in these threads anymore.

  12. trump should say any one hacking china pardons by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    trump should say any one hacking china will get an auto pardon.

    1. Re:trump should say any one hacking china pardons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He would, but he probably realizes nobody would take him seriously saying that from Federal Prison. Well, a few morons would, no doubt lol.

  13. CIA should be proud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the false flag operations are working.

  14. Re:You're a moron. by jpaine619 · · Score: 0

    No. PP's comprehension is spot on. If the NSA and other TLAs worried more about securing domestic assets and less about how they were going to poke around themselves, we (and our 5 Eyes partners) wouldn't be in the sorry state we are in now.

    Again you express your ignorance. If the NSA didn't spend time learning how to poke around systems, how the fuck would they know what kinds of attacks to secure OUR systems against?

  15. Re:You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the China puppet...

  16. Chinese Hacking vs. American Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All governments conduct or sponsor hacking. The principal difference between the United States and China is that American hacking is subject to review by the judicial branch of government. Hence, the American Civil Liberties Union can sue Washington to curb American hacking or to expose its extent.

    Chinese hacking is not subject to such constraints. China is a brutal, authoritarian society.

    So, hacking by Westerners is not morally equivalent to hacking by Chinese or even Indians.

    1. Re:Chinese Hacking vs. American Hacking by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 2

      Sorry but this outrage on the part of Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand and the UK is so hypocritical.

      Hacking, spying and even assassination is the currency of international politics and every single one of these countries has undoubtedly broken the law in the process.

      Here in New Zealand, the courts have ruled on numerous occasions that NZ's spy agencies have acted "unlawfully" by spying on its citizens and the police have acted "unlawfully" by holding foreign nationals at gunpoint and taking their property (Dotcom).

      I have absolutely no doubt that most of these Western nations are doing exactly the same as China... but, just as with the CIA's assassinations of foreign targets, the whole thing is kept hush-hush.

      Hypocrites the lot of them!

  17. slashdot censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I submitted USA's own mass surveillance program 'Hemisphere' and that story NEVER got published. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/

    Does CIA/NSA has / . on its payroll?

  18. A wall solves zero problems Jpaine dipshit, fact. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LEARN THE LESSON MORON : Don't be stupid, don't fall for the bullshit advertisement, demand proof and accountability - or just take it up the ass like a Trump supporter on the way to the gallows.

  19. Damn, those communists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Damn, those communists are too good at capitalism.

  20. NSA by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    purpose of these hacks was to steal trade secrets and intellectual property that the Chinese government later passed to local Chinese companies

    Fortunately, NSA would not do this (hint: to Airbus, for Boeing)

  21. Re:You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have zero information or insights about the NSA. Yet you blather as if defending them?

  22. Re: You're a moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China has twice the population of all the other countries mentioned combined.

    If they spend their time on infiltration research, espionage, and exfiltration of IP, I don't give a toss how bad you think you are on the internet or on the political world stage, they will outman you and out maneuvre you with twice (or far, far more) the manpower than you can field against them.

    Grow up.

  23. Weird how they manage to leave so much evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    these amazingly talented government hackers who knows how to break into every system... I would say it's the U.S. doing it, because it does spy on everyone, and then "discovers" that another country was hacked (how do you do that exactly?) and then amazingly, there's always a little clue left behind. Aha! China must have done it!

    But don't let me disturb your precious echo-chamber with my illogical thinking.

  24. So ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are saying xBSD is too hard for NSA to hack and it must be badmouthed ?

  25. Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your owners are sacrosanct.

  26. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America is responsible for millions killed in Iraq and Syria. For NO good reason whatsoever. Except "pleasing Israel", of course.