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Huawei Had a Deal To Give Washington Redskins Fans Free Wi-Fi, Until the Government Stepped In (wsj.com)

Two years after a congressional report labeled Huawei a national-security threat, the Chinese firm unexpectedly scored a big-name ally in Washington. It was the Redskins, the capital's National Football League franchise. Huawei reached an agreement in 2014 to beam Wi-Fi through the suites at the team's FedEx Field, in exchange for advertising in the stadium and during broadcasts. From a report: It was a marketing coup for a company hankering to beef up its meager U.S. business and boost its image inside the Beltway. But the deal didn't last long. A government adviser read about the partnership. He knew the FedEx Field suites were a frequent haunt for lawmakers and senior officials across many agencies. So he triggered an unofficial federal complaint to the Redskins, who quietly tore up the deal. That previously unreported backroom maneuver is an example of a yearslong effort by U.S. officials, often working outside formal channels, to blacklist the Chinese technology giant. Washington has since intensified the campaign and taken it mainstream, with Congress and federal agencies working this year to snuff out Huawei's small U.S. business and curtail its much bigger overseas ambition. Further reading: Huawei Exceeds 200 Million Smartphone Shipments, Setting Company Record.

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  1. Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by guacamole · · Score: 1

    Huawei's Honor used to be my go-to budget smartphone brand for some time. Well, to my surprise the Honor 7x, the phone introduced early in 2018, never hit the shelves at our local Best Buy, and then they just dropped all of Huawei's products. This is pretty annoying because I prefer Huawei/Honor to Lenovo, Samsung or LG.

    1. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An entirely independent commercial decision, in no way influenced by political or other government pressure. Blessings of the masses, blessing of the State....

      I'm sure Best Buy didn't sell them because they didn't consider them commercial viable. Now why aren't they commercially viable? Perhaps because the government has marked them as unsafe and open to the Chinese government for eavesdropping.

      I've no idea if Huawei is Chinese spyware; maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but the thought that they might be is going to scare consumers away and put off Best Buy from providing it.

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    2. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have little doubt that a lot of devices from China include spyware. I question why Huawei was specifically targeted without evidence, though. I find it amusing that people trash Bloomberg for their story of Chinese spy chipped servers for lack of evidence, but I don't see the same people coming forward and denouncing the effective collusion without evidence between US government and US companies to trash yet another hardware maker. The same happened with Kaspersky.

      And do I even start on how the FBI was paying the same Best Buy for its Geek Squad department to spy on customer's computers? Why should anyone trust anything Best Buy sells after that point?

    3. Re: Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      https://nypost.com/2018/12/22/how-arrest-of-chinese-princess-exposes-regimes-world-domination-plot/

    4. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Huawei is being targetted because they refused to add American spyware to their products.

    5. Re: Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      US formally accused Huawei of a crime, they ignored it. Their officer went into US legal jurisdiction in Canada, was arrested and held for trial like anyone else. The next day they arrest 2 unrelated Canadians on BS-nothing charges. They don't even specify the charges, because there are no charges yet, they haven't thought of any and nobody in China is required to do anything like a normal country of laws, it's a shit show. So now you have one person facing a trial and well-spelled formal charges, they have attorneys and make bail motions, versus China holding "hostages" essentially so they get their way in this legal fight. That's what you're defending, you treasonous faggot bitch. God I hope you find the inside of a Chinese prison some day for comparative educational purposes you shilling faggot.

      Huawei has a rather documented history of sending private data back to China, they keep saying it's an accident. Fuck you, fuck them, China is a criminal enterprise without pretense. Now continue tapdancing you bitch.

    6. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's that they US intelligence community doesn't have backdoors into the phones. Can't have the commoners keeping secrets.

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    7. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is probably going to end up as a WTO complaint, or at least some retaliation against US companies trying to get into the rapidly expanding Chinese market.

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    8. Re: Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      This kind of stupidity is expected from the general public, who have no understanding of technology. You, on the other hand, have no excuse.

    9. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      And we all know China will pay attention to the WTO just like...
      https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0...

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    10. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      So, are you against NSA spying on our adversaries? We're all well aware that that's their job, and that virtually every country on the planet does so, or it wouldn't likely continue to be a country. So, if we've discovered how one of our adversaries is doing so, and try to put a stop to it, how is that an issue for you?

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    11. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Ok i might be wring here, butit seemsquitesimple ti me, if you want your products sold in the US , don’t sell them ti contries on the US embatgo list, or sell them to those contries and don’t sell in the US. I don’t see the problem Hoawei had achoice, thei wanted to sell to Iran, fine they firgo the US sales, if they deoend on US sales fine din’t bldy sell to Iran esp notthro a trid oarty to try bypasing the embargo

    12. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      Pardon the rypos, did not spot them until it was to late, /. where is your edit function???

    13. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, I mean China will complain to the WTO about the US banning Chinese products on dubious national security grounds.

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    14. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      With all of the Five Eye's chiefs saying they're a national security threat, I'm not concerned with China going to the WTO in the least.

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    15. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Since they don't have any influence over the WTO I don't see how that helps. Also the possible sanctions could be quite bad for the US, e.g. China gets to ignore US intellectual property rights or patents as compensation.

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    16. Re:Best Buy dropped Huawei phones too by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I have more to fear from the NSA than any foreign government. The NSA isn't spying on our adversaries. They're spying on us. After lying and saying they didn't. Wikileaks confirms.

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  2. Re:If not the Chinese... by magarity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But with dictator government under TRUMP

    It's truly beautiful how you have the freedom to post on US websites that you think the current US president is a dictator. I hope some day citizens of Russia and China may have the freedom to complain similarly about Xi and Putin but it probably won't happen until well after their lifetime office holding is over.

  3. Define "free" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Knowing what the Redskins owner, Dan Snyder, and his efforts to extract every penny from fans, I doubt that there no strings attached to Wifi access. The Dan Snyder I know would have gotten Huawei to supply the Wifi for no cost to him and then charged fans for access. I can only assume that Snyder worked out a deal where he would profit on the access like selling the right to datamine/track each fan. That's the only way it would have been "free" for fans.

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    1. Re:Define "free" by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      I think him getting a portion of advertisements wouldn't been enough for Snyder

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  4. Re:Time for limited government yet? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    I don't know the particulars of the deal since the story is behind the paywall but the Redskins owner I know would have pushed forward with the deal regardless of federal complaints to make a buck. That is unless there was some detail that torpedoed the deal.

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  5. Re:Time for limited government yet? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    No I am guessing the detail was that the Redskins would sell off/profit from the ability to track/datamine every single person that used Wifi including and not limited to installing spying software just to use the Wifi.

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  6. No Evidence Presented by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    All this hating and blacklisting, but I have yet to see any evidence which would make me support this government interference.

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    1. Re:No Evidence Presented by green1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Germany has outright stated that they don't believe the US as no evidence has ever been presented. Considering that US companies have actually been caught doing exactly what Huawei is accused of, but Huawei never has, I'm far more trusting of Huawei than of any American company.

    2. Re:No Evidence Presented by raftpeople · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you seriously unaware of the series of laws that the Chinese have passed over the last 5 years that require Chinese (and foreign companies operating in China) to collaborate with Chinese intelligence?

    3. Re:No Evidence Presented by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      If you need concrete evidence to make you think this deal is a bad idea then you would be the losing party in the age of cyberwarfare.

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    4. Re:No Evidence Presented by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      lol. Nor will you be shown the evidence.

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    5. Re:No Evidence Presented by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Because there is none. Just like the WMDs in Iraq.

    6. Re:No Evidence Presented by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Apparently, some are convinced there is...
      https://www.theglobeandmail.co...

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    7. Re:No Evidence Presented by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There are laws and then there's evidence. Sure we all believe that Huawei may be spying on USA citizens on behalf of the government. But there's only one thing we know for certain: The USA based carriers and network companies definitely are and have been caught doing so.

  7. Re:Time for limited government yet? by raftpeople · · Score: 1

    When you say "giant interfering overreaching" you're referring to the Chinese govt right?

    That's exactly what this action is about, blocking their intelligence agencies. Did you have the mistaken notion that the world is a friendly place?

  8. Re:If not the Chinese... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

    Russian citizens do complain similarly about Putin. Is it also beautiful?

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  9. Seems reasonable. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    With national security at stake, it seem like this was a reasonable to distrust a Chinese state run corporation (Huawei) from directly connecting to government devices. If it were a random company from an ally nation then it might be overkill but we're talking about China which has a ongoing effort to hack US interests.

    You would have to be ignorant of history of just plain gullible to think nothing is wrong with this situation.

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    1. Re:Seems reasonable. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      What evidence? Germany asked to see it before implementing a ban like the US asked for and the US didn't present any evidence. It's just like when Canada asked to see the evidence of WMDs in Iraq. The US is making up stories so that they can put in American hardware everywhere with it's backdoors to the US. Plus the US wants 5G networks on American hardware in as many countries as it can get.

      If you can't compete, cheat. Just like all the tariffs recently on "national security" grounds.

    2. Re:Seems reasonable. by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Right, so you're now claiming that prior to the tariffs, we were on a level playing field? Not even close.

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  10. not quite by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    it says that the feds are trying to block them everywhere. That is not true. just trying to block them in nations which we consider allies and they have access to sensitive data. If these are nations that we are not really allies with and do not share any sensitive/classified data with, we do not care.

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    1. Re:not quite by guacamole · · Score: 1

      That is not true.

      We have been trying to block Huawei not only in the five major English-speaking countries, but also in EU, Japan, and even India.

    2. Re: not quite by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      EU, Japan, and India are considered allies. So is s. Korea.

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  11. Re:If not the Chinese... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They also tend to get arrested, and sometimes poisoned.

  12. Re:If not the Chinese... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not to mention shot.

  13. Re:If not the Chinese... by magarity · · Score: 2

    Russian citizens do complain similarly about Putin. Is it also beautiful?

    That they get thrown in jail for doing it is not so beautiful but that they're brave enough to do it anyway is.

  14. Re:If not the Chinese... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not for complaining on a webforum.
    Otherwise Russia would have overtaken the US on the number of incarcerated people long ago.

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  15. Re:If not the Chinese... by dryeo · · Score: 2

    Not the average person, who are free to let off steam just like in the west. Things are worse if you're popular, famous or such and criticize Putin, which makes Trump envious as in America there are fewer loopholes in the 1st Amendment currently, but with all the activist judges being appointed to the Supreme Court, the types of speech that aren't protected is sure to grow beyond the national security, breaking sanctions and think of the children loopholes.
    At least Russians are more free then ever, whereas here in the west, things are going backwards when it comes to freedom.

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  16. Re:Time for limited government yet? by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Much better to have a small interfering, overreaching government right?
    If you start shrinking government, it'll be the good parts that are removed, not the bad parts. Eventually you'll have a government consisting of 3 letter agencies, federal prisons, corrupt politicians and tax collectors.
    The problem isn't big government, it's shitty government.

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  17. Re: Time for limited government yet? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    Correct; a small government is limited in how much harm it can do.

    If you start shrinking government, it'll be the good parts that are removed, not the bad parts. Eventually you'll have a government consisting of 3 letter agencies, federal prisons, corrupt politicians and tax collectors.

    I thought you said the good parts would be removed. That sounds like a pretty good start right there. Let's get on that.

  18. Re: If not the Chinese... by Type44Q · · Score: 1
    Someone apparently told you that you can speak English.

    They lied.

  19. Re:If not the Chinese... by wyattstorch516 · · Score: 1

    Russians have greater freedom of speech than most American college students thanks to left wing college presidents. But I'm sure that doesn't upset people like you.

  20. Russian freedom: A joke by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    An American and a Russian meet up for coffee and learn from each other.
    American: It is a shame you don't have any freedom in Russia.
    Russian: How so?
    American: I have the right and freedom to stand outside our government building and shout criticisms about Trump.
    Russian (confused): We have much better freedoms than that. Not only can I stand outside the Kremlin and shout criticisms about Trump, I may even get a medal for doing so.

  21. Re: You try to block everywhere you have influence by JonathanStern · · Score: 1

    I dont trust the Chinese government. And they choose to do business with Iran well then it is their problem