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Why Huawei Gives the US and Its Allies Security Nightmares (technologyreview.com)

Perhaps the most insightful piece that sums up why the U.S. and its allies are apprehensive of using Huawei's products. Six reasons, we are just highlighting the pointers, click on the source story to read the description:
1. There could be "kill switches" in Huawei equipment.
2. ... That even close inspections miss.
3. Back doors could be used for data snooping.
4. The rollout of 5G wireless networks will make everything worse.
5. Chinese firms will ship tech to countries in defiance of a US trade embargo.
6. Huawei isn't as immune to Chinese government influence as it claims to be.

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  1. US govt propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's why we are to be afraid. Guess what, your mobile mandatory location identifying device (as required by US law) is a leash.

    1. Re:US govt propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All popular computer applications are spyware now. Everything is data-mining you as much as possible. It's part of society. The correct thing to do is ditch everything and start from scratch. Build a new internet, new protocols, that use mandatory encryption for every action. The military already does that, but civilians are stuck with the shitty version of the internet.

  2. Why [cisco|intel|...$USBRAND] gives $NOTUSA and it by getuid() · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1. There most likely are "kill switches" in $USBRAND equipment.

    2. ... That even close inspections miss.

    3. Back doors are already being used for data snooping.

    4. The rollout of 5G wireless networks will make everything worse.

    5. US firms will ship tech to countries wherever the fuck they want regardless of anything else.

    6. $USBRAND isn't immune to US government influence, period.

    I fail to see a problem with Huawei in particular.

  3. Re:happened in India by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a nice piece of fake news, on par with the oft told story about the Soviet "peace" tractors that allegedly "destroyed" a million-strong Chinese invasion force in the 60s with megalasers from low Earth orbit.

    I'm sure, however, that had such a thing as you described happened, it would have received ample coverage by the Indian press.

    Care to find some links?

  4. So basically it comes down to by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "could"

    There could be all that stuff in products from other countries, too. Heck, even American products could have these things. Maybe America should just stop trading with everyone and jump incestuously in bed with itself, and hope its own manufacturers are completely honest and transparent, just as they have turned out to be so far in history...

    Could indeed... Or maybe you should do it the old fashioned way, and actually find the person guilty before executing them.

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  5. Re:Why [cisco|intel|...$USBRAND] gives $NOTUSA and by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    3. Back doors are already being used for data snooping.

    Hell, FRONT doors are already being used for data snooping. Well you clicked "I agree", right?

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  6. Re:More reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What US products? We have systematically destroyed 99% of our production capacity for the components that go into cell phones by allowing corporations to fire everyone and move production to other countries which allow workers to be so badly treated that they're slaves in all but name only.

    The only part the USA plays in making a cell phone is some manufacturers assembling the parts here in order to get an "Assembled in the USA" label. We can't make enough of the components for any cell phone to qualify as "Made in the USA".

  7. Cisco routers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Nuff said.

    But the USSR bought gas pipeline controller software and hardware from a US company. Apparently there were backdoors and kill switches in that.

    1. Re: Cisco routers. by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you ask me, the Europeans would have to be crazy to allow themselves to be overly dependent on any of the US, Russia, North Africa, or the Middle East for fuel to keep warm in Winter. But they are capable of figuring that our for themselves I think.

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    2. Re: Cisco routers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      LOL the USSR didn't buy that software, they stole it. And yes, the software was booby trapped by the CIA, who deliberately fed one of Russia's spies falty software, but it didn't do anything that you mention here. The software was built for industrial sabotage on a spectacular scale:

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1455559/CIA-plot-led-to-huge-blast-in-Siberian-gas-pipeline.html

      The USSR was all about stolen technology, and this is just one example of them taking more than they thought they were taking. Another one I recall was plans for a nuclear bomb that wouldn't actually work.

  8. Re:I'm surprised it doesn't go the other way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes. And that tells me exactly what the US government expects to be to do to a "US made" phone.

  9. Re: Why [cisco|intel|...$USBRAND] gives $NOTUSA an by getuid() · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From a western European perspective, neither is the US.

    They've repeatedly attacked Europe economically - there's ample example, like the VW scandal (draconian fees & punishment against management by the US, but investigations are still sparse with respect to US manufacturers) and Monsanto/Bayer (funny how Monsanto's biochemistry suddenly became a problem, but only after they were bought up by a European company). Not to defend these companies, they fully deserve what befalls then; but the unilaterallity with which US authorities deal out punishment against foreign entities, opposed to domestic ones, is striking.

    Then there are also a number of unequivocal statements from US administration, Trump for example, regarding "trade war with Europe".

    So no, the US are definitely no more allies of Europe than China is.

    And beyond ecinomics... well, if you're European, it's not like China is out to burn your home, rape your wife, kill your dog. They're on a different hemisphere for chrissake, there's noting to gain for them from indaving another, regardless of whether that's Europe or US. (FWIW, the only country that has a habit of doing that post-WW2, regularly, is the US.)

    If you're the average west European, the only[*] thing China fights for is to sell you more stuff, cheaper than the rest (US or Europe). The only way you could equate this to a direct threat is if you still believe in trickle-down economy. And in that case, you're not only beyond any hope being saved; you also deserve the misery that comes your way.

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    [*] That, and to buy massive amounts of land all over Africa and eastern Europe away from local population. But that's not a problem that's (a) limited to China, (b) attributed to technological or military superiority, and (c) not easily fixable by a simple law of local government authorities, if you can convince your government that it's a problem.

  10. Re: Why [cisco|intel|...$USBRAND] gives $NOTUSA an by ffkom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it's not like China is out to burn your home, rape your wife, kill your dog. They're on a different hemisphere for chrissake, there's noting to gain for them from indaving another, regardless of whether that's Europe or US. (FWIW, the only country that has a habit of doing that post-WW2, regularly, is the US.)

    While I agree with your statement that the US has a nasty habit of invading foreign countries, China did a similar thing to Tibet "post-WW2".

    Also, Russia shares the US habit of invading foreign countries, as demonstrated for example in Afghanistan and the Ukraine.

    So, the basic lesson is: Don't trust any equipment that was manufactured or shipped through one of these aggressive nations.

  11. Re: More reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Number 8 there is the big one.

    The US could not care less about the actual hardware security, they just want access to the equipment no matter where it is.

    Huawei has systematically refused to provide that access

    So, the US advocates against people using them "for security reasons"

  12. Re:The real reason by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US intelligence community is not elected. They have gone rogue and are not under the control of the democratically elected government. "This is like a spy novel.".

    These are the same people who lied us into Iraq. In what possible way are they trustworthy?

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  13. Re: Why [cisco|intel|...$USBRAND] gives $NOTUSA an by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They have no respect for freedom of speech

    Neither does Europe.

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  14. Re:I'm surprised it doesn't go the other way. by hackingbear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reason the US government doesn't steal foreign tech

    Except the US government has done exactly that:

    The report recommends “a multi-pronged, systematic effort to gather open source and proprietary information through overt means, clandestine penetration (through physical and cyber means), and counterintelligence” (emphasis added). In particular, the DNI’s report envisions “cyber operations” to penetrate “covert centers of innovation” such as R&D facilities.

    The level of American hypocrisy makes me vomit every day.