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China Successfully Lands Spacecraft On Far Side of the Moon (cnbc.com)

State news agency Xinhua reports that China has successfully landed its Chang'e 4 spacecraft on the far side of the moon on Thursday morning, Beijing time, becoming the first country in history to touch the lunar surface unseen by those on Earth. CNBC reports: The Chang'e 4 mission launched in early December. It took the spacecraft three days to travel to the moon, where it spent the last few weeks in orbit preparing for touch down on the Von Karman crater. The crater is a relatively flat spot on the moon's far side. "China's Chang'e-4 probe softlands on Moon's far side," the state news agency tweeted on Thursday. Citing the China National Space Administration, Xinhua said the space probe, made up of a lander and a rover, "landed at the preselected landing area on the far side of the moon at 10:26 a.m. Beijing Time."

Landing on the far side is a technical challenge, as there is no direct way to communicate with the spacecraft as it nears its target. China put a relay satellite in orbit around the moon in May to overcome that communication challenge. The far side of the moon has been seen and mapped before, even by astronauts of the Apollo missions. But the successful landing of Chang'e 4 represents the first time any spacecraft has touched down on the moon's far side.

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  1. Nice by boulat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Be gracious, lad. This is an achievement worthy of a admiration.

    1. Re:Nice by boulat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know, aside from me missing an 'n' in an 'an', its kind of ironic. Your sarcasm will be proven wrong, because it is, in point of fact, a seriously cool achievement for the Chinese.

      Sure you can put a couple of guys on a bright side and have them jump around and collect rock samples (or maybe fake it in a studio depending on your vantage point), but to continue iterating on a closest celestial object we have to our point of origin and exploring sides unknown is a leap beyond technological - its a leap of purpose, a leap of faith that we don't generally associate with the Chinese.

      You should all be concerned, because today, Chinese have truly surprised the American, and I'm impressed and annoyed at the same time.

    2. Re:Nice by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, the vicious racism and Sinophobia that accompanies any Slashdot article about China will not allow that. Funny, the worst offenders are the ones in other threads proudly signaling their socially just tolerance status. Weird...

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    3. Re:Nice by gweihir · · Score: 2

      It is. There are a lot of severe problems with China, but this is not one of them. This is also not the act of a technologically inferior nation.

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    4. Re:Nice by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's a real shame that the US won't work with China. The ESA does, but NASA is barred from doing so and it's a loss for everyone.

      In a way it might actually be for the best though. Everyone was kind of following the US lead for the longest time, but now have realized that the US isn't really committed and that there are other opportunities, other players, we are starting to see things move more quickly again.

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    5. Re:Nice by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Why is protecting US secrets a loss?

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    6. Re:Nice by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's a real shame that the US won't work with China. The ESA does, but NASA is barred from doing so and it's a loss for everyone.

      In a way it might actually be for the best though. Everyone was kind of following the US lead for the longest time, but now have realized that the US isn't really committed and that there are other opportunities, other players, we are starting to see things move more quickly again.

      Space exploration (and science in general) is more political in the US than most other countries. Cooperating with the US on long term missions can be tricky because potentially every 4 years you have a new executive leader in charge and the executive leader is for some reason in charge of what scientific missions can and will be done and can tear up past agreements and contracts.

      Although usually the West more aligns politically and socially with the US, and so the US ideally would be the science partner for the West- the political instability of American Science funding being tied to which political party is in charge might mean China is a better (more stable) partner for long term science cooperations despite their messed up political and social systems.

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    7. Re: Nice by Jahoda · · Score: 2

      Um, what? The US has several robots on Mars, multiple probes and robota in queue for further exploration of the solar systen, and is currently landing and reusing rockets.

    8. Re:Nice by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Kennedy was planning to do the moon landings as a joint missing with the USSR. He had a good relationship with their leader. But then he was assassinated, and it became the space race.

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    9. Re:Nice by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      Why is protecting US secrets a loss?

      Preventing knowledge from disseminating is always a loss. Preventing great minds from collaborating, however, is the much bigger loss -- the US and China and the rest of the world could all be enjoying a lot of knowledge we don't currently have, if their scientists were allowed to work together.

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  2. Re:Correction... apk by technosaurus · · Score: 2

    Radio telescope without all of the interference from earth. Freedom from satellite surveillance... plenty of reasons

  3. Did they really? by Vetpiet · · Score: 3, Funny

    But,.. did they really land on the far side of the moon or are they still shooting the landing sequence in a hanger in Beijing?

    1. Re: Did they really? by gtall · · Score: 4, Funny

      I heard the Finns sweep their forests, that's why they never have forest fires.

  4. Re:Is it just me? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3

    It looks like something from Kerbal Space Program... or like it was built in someone's garage. But as long as it accomplishes its mission, what does it matter?

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  5. Re:I knew that name sounded familiar ... by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Informative

    The crater is named for Theodore von Kármán a prominent early rocket scientist who is better known for the Karman Line, the notional point at which the atmosphere becomes too thin to support aeronautical flight. This is also referred to as the point at which space begins and is defined by the FAI at 100km, although the USAF and NASA award outer space badges at 80km and the actual point will vary depending on atmospheric conditions. In that light, it seems quite likely that KSP named their character as a nod to both von Kármán and Werner von Braun, so yes, there is a relation of sorts.

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  6. Re:Chinese Advantage: No Affirmative Action by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If by affirmative action, you mean putting science-denying, religiously-bigoted, morally-bankrupted low-brows on the congressional science funding committees, then yes, affirmative action is more than likely responsible for the USA sliding into decline.

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  7. Re:Apollo 18 by quenda · · Score: 3, Funny

    The 18th Apollo mission was planned to land on the dark side of the moon.

    But according to Senator William Proxmire, supporting Wisconsin cheese farmers was more important, so it got cancelled.

    I very much doubt that lunar cheese mines could have competed with Wisconsin, due to the high cost of transport, Grommit.

  8. Re:Interesting for two reasons by gtall · · Score: 2

    Jinping: Flunky, we will invade and occupy uninhabited space rocks for the glory of me....errrr...the Chinese Communist Party.

    Flunky: Sure thing, Boss-Guy, shall I ready our invasion fleet?

    Ping: No, we'll need them for Taiwan, I hear there are free Chinese there and we cannot be having any of that. there's my ego to consider.

    Flunky: Boss-Guy? Beijing University suspects there may be free Chinese on space rocks.

    Ping: Holy Cow! Taiwan is replicating, I knew it. Get our military on Super Secret High Alert, we must prepare to be boarded.

    Flunky: Oh....Beijing University says they are not building any Western do-dads.

    Ping: Okay Flunky, cancel the Taiwan thing for now, but threaten them a bit, I feel a bit irritated this morning.

  9. Because it is hard by raymorris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas? We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept

    Americans take on big challenges, because they are big challenges. For example, Americans were the first to fly around the world, the first to fly around the world non-stop, the first to fly around the world in a balloon, etc. Why? What's the urgent practical need to do these things?

    There is no practical need. As Kennedy said, we do these things because they are hard. China doesn't. That's not part of Chinese culture. China is known for making a million copies of something that the US designed a decade before. Americans traditionally look at something that "can't be done" and try to figure out how to do it. Chinese study the company procedure to see exactly how a task is done, in detail.

    The most important thing here is not that Chia succeeded in this attempt, but that they attempted it. There is no immediate need to do this, they did it simply because it is hard. That demonstrates a new attitude in China. It shows the "American spirit", the spirit of bold adventure, in China.

    Americans drive to "to boldly go where no one has gone before" has been significant factor in their success over the last hundred years, a differentiator from from most nation's. (Though partly inherited from Europe, then grown and expanded in the US). To see that in China means things are changing. China is getting something that used to be one of the great advantages of the United States.

  10. Re:And... by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

    what did you find...? Missing somthing...?

    Pink Floyd. They were irate since they've been waiting there for us since the 70s and were wondering if we would ever show.

  11. Re: Is it just me? by NFN_NLN · · Score: 2

    > Look at that bundle of wires that will chaff on the sharp aluminum edge.

    So I'm not the only one that noticed that and questioned the logic.