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Huawei Has Suspected Ties To Front Companies In Iran and Syria, New Documents Reveal (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: The U.S. case against the chief financial officer of China's Huawei Technologies, who was arrested in Canada last month, centers on the company's suspected ties to two obscure companies. One is a telecom equipment seller that operated in Tehran; the other is that firm's owner, a holding company registered in Mauritius. U.S. authorities allege CFO Meng Wanzhou deceived international banks into clearing transactions with Iran by claiming the two companies were independent of Huawei, when in fact Huawei controlled them. Huawei has maintained the two are independent: equipment seller Skycom Tech Co Ltd and shell company Canicula Holdings Ltd. But corporate filings and other documents found by Reuters in Iran and Syria show that Huawei, the world's largest supplier of telecommunications network equipment, is more closely linked to both firms than previously known.

The documents reveal that a high-level Huawei executive appears to have been appointed Skycom's Iran manager. They also show that at least three Chinese-named individuals had signing rights for both Huawei and Skycom bank accounts in Iran. Reuters also discovered that a Middle Eastern lawyer said Huawei conducted operations in Syria through Canicula. Huawei, U.S. authorities assert, retained control of Skycom, using it to sell telecom equipment to Iran and move money out via the international banking system. As a result of the deception, U.S. authorities say, banks unwittingly cleared hundreds of millions of dollars of transactions that potentially violated economic sanctions Washington had in place at the time against doing business with Iran.

108 comments

  1. ALL Chinese-gov owned companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not just Huawei doing shit like this, ALL Chinese-government owned companies have tentacles like this.

    1. Re: ALL Chinese-gov owned companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scary stuff. Makes me want to hide under a blanket with a flashlight (not with a flashlight app thats nerdy)

    2. Re:ALL Chinese-gov owned companies by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      It's not just Huawei doing shit like this, ALL 3 letter-government agencies have tentacles like this.

      FTFY

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      "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
    3. Re: ALL Chinese-gov owned companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VP Pence gave a 43 minute talk on China.

      Still not tired of winning.

    4. Re: ALL Chinese-gov owned companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VP Pence gave a 43 minute talk on China.

      Still not tired of winning.

      If it takes more than 5 minutes, it isn't a talk - it's indoctrination.

    5. Re:ALL Chinese-gov owned companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American companies launder money from drug dealers in latin america, and get slap on the wrist., Chinese companies do it, and sanctions.

    6. Re: ALL Chinese-gov owned companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it takes more than 5 minutes, it isn't a talk - it's indoctrination.

      Generalizations, like this arbitrary 5 minutes metric, suck.

      Comedians take, on average, an hour to present a special. Is that indoctrination then?

  2. This is something to be proud of in China by butchersong · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Chinese see getting away with this as an admirable trait. If you get caught you lose face but... setting up a situation like this is like chum in the water to chinese businesses.

    1. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by times05 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Getting away with what? Trading with with Iran, country that China has no sanctions against?

      Why should China give a frog's fart about US sanctions? Especially after US unilaterally broke its treaty with Iran.

      It's like a bully trying to pick on someone, then he glances back and sees all his "flunkies"/"followers"/"buddies" are staying out of it. He's on his own. Feeling a bit of panic, maybe some cold sweat coming on bully?

    2. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Chinese culture = criminal culture. There's really no apologizing or pretending otherwise.

    3. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Informative

      China can (and does) trade with Iran. The problem is corporations/individuals doing so can't also trade with the USA. Huawei did. The other execs shouldn't step a foot in any country with extradition treaty with the USA.

    4. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is US sanctions.

    5. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should China give a frog's fart about US sanctions?

      Because China wants to do business with and in the US. They really wouldn't need to care about sanctions if they didn't care about those other side effects.

      Sanctions have power because the group applying the sanctions have power. It's why countries regularly ignore UN sanctions, but when you want to deal with the US, then suddenly things get a little more neatly defined. Then, like Hauwei has attempted here, you try to hide what you're doing (like France did with their dealings in the lead up to the second Iraq War).

    6. Re: This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about US culture then? Given that they arrested a Chinese individual working for a Chinese company for not following a US sanction?
       
      If the US has a beef with Huawei, they should at least sanction the company or ban their products, instead of taking it out on an an individual working fo the company that just happened to be abroad.
       
      Also, if the US had followed the international treaties they themselves signed with Iran, this wouldn't even be a topic for discussion. But I guess you don't think it's criminal culture to go back on your promises whenever you change your mind?

    7. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China can (and does) trade with Iran. The problem is corporations/individuals doing so can't also trade with the USA. Huawei did. The other execs shouldn't step a foot in any country with extradition treaty with the USA.

      what!? from what you described the sanctions are basically a monopoly for the USA, if I were Chinese I'd be cheering and saying fuck Amerika too!

    8. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by times05 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If China wants to do something that's perfectly legal for them, US law doesn't "trump" it, even if that happens to be US president's name.

      If it's any consolation, US retains the right to be salty about it, maybe break some agreements or something with China, but common.... we all know agreements with US aren't worth the ink or paper they're written with/on, as evidenced by their breaking of agreement with Iran anyway.

    9. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by times05 · · Score: 2

      Why does US try to do business and travel through China if they sanction Chinese trade partners? What gives them the right?

      Go ahead, tell me about your superiority and how you can do things that others aren't allowed to do Adolf.

    10. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If China wants to do something that's perfectly legal for them, US law doesn't "trump" it

      As long as the company doesn't do business in the US, that is true. They minute they do, and Huawei does, it's different. And if you think otherwise, go talk to the long list of people who thought the way you do and still ended up in US prisons, including Canadian sellers of pot seeds, foreign offshore online poker casino operators, Volkswagen executives, etc.

    11. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're a publicly traded company

      Whatcha talkin' 'bout Willas?

      They're not publicly traded at all.

    12. Re: This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sanctions donâ(TM) have power. They rarely (never?) get the intended results, but they do hurt the ordinary people of the targeted country. It makes the impotent feel like theyâ(TM)re doing something though.

    13. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If China wants to do something that's perfectly legal for them, US law doesn't "trump" it, even if that happens to be US president's name.

      Depends on the technology licenses. If that equipment contained any US export controlled technology, then yes heads will roll.

      After all, ZTE was basically given the death sentence by being barred from buying US technology for re-selling the technology to restricted countries. At least, until the President was handed some half billion dollars of "investment" and China granting them rare and valuable trademark protection. Not just one, but several more later on.

    14. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Informative

      This was not about America telling them that they were under sanctions.
      This was about Huawei buying American parts after promising to NOT sell them to a number of nations, including Iran/Syria.
      Then they turned around and have worked hard to hide the fact that they are not just selling the parts to Iran, but working with them and syria, etc to use it against the west.

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    15. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Huawei is not only publically traded in China, but all their CHinese employees own stock in them. Of course, none of the foreign employees are given stock and more importantly,only CHinese are allowed to buy the stock on their market.

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    16. Re: This is something to be proud of in China by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      I agree with you, except that the woman is in the crux of it all. She signed the paper work saying that they were not working with iran and then it turns out she is controlling the very company. I do not agree with our arresting her, but ....
      I will say that instead of going after her, I think that we just need to cut off Huwei and ZTE and prohibit anybody from giving them western parts. If China complains about it, too bad. The Chinese gov is obviously using these 2 to attack the west with.

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    17. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Spoiler:

      It did. That's why she was arrested and is awaiting extradition.

    18. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      My understanding is that if they DID defraud an entity, it wasn't a US entity, but rather HSBC. Unless Meng was speaking with an HSBC US entity, I'm not sure this can be considered "trading" with the US, but simply an international entity.

      But none of this really matters, but it's simply not normal to seek criminal prosecution for what she supposedly did... A large fine, yes, but not jail time.

      ------------
      "Meng is charged with violating US sanctions on Iran. Yet consider her arrest in the context of the large number of companies, US and non-US, that have violated US sanctions against Iran and other countries. In 2011, for example, JP Morgan Chase paid $88.3 million in fines in 2011 for violating US sanctions against Cuba, Iran, and Sudan. Yet Jamie Dimon wasn’t grabbed off a plane and whisked into custody.

      And JP Morgan Chase was hardly alone in violating US sanctions. Since 2010, the following major financial institutions paid fines for violating US sanctions: Banco do Brasil, Bank of America, Bank of Guam, Bank of Moscow, Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, Barclays, BNP Paribas, Clearstream Banking, Commerzbank, Compass, Crédit Agricole, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, ING, Intesa Sanpaolo, JP Morgan Chase, National Bank of Abu Dhabi, National Bank of Pakistan, PayPal, RBS (ABN Amro), Société Générale, Toronto-Dominion Bank, Trans-Pacific National Bank (now known as Beacon Business Bank), Standard Chartered, and Wells Fargo.

      None of the CEOs or CFOs of these sanction-busting banks was arrested and taken into custody for these violations. In all of these cases, the corporation – rather than an individual manager – was held accountable. Nor were they held accountable for the pervasive lawbreaking in the lead-up to or aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, for which the banks paid a staggering $243 billion in fines, according to a recent tally. In light of this record, Meng’s arrest is a shocking break with practice. Yes, hold CEOs and CFOs accountable, but start at home in order to avoid hypocrisy, self-interest disguised as high principle, and the risk of inciting a new global conflict."

    19. Re: This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese shill is obvious. Iran refused so the US did not have a treaty with Iran and Trump did not withdraw from a treaty with Iran. You knew that but preferred to lie. Why lie over something anybody can google and find out? What is wrong with you? And what the heck is wrong with the mods modding this shovelful of lies insightful? Perhaps an unexpected insight into the liberal mind. I withdraw from the stench

    20. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why should China give a frog's fart about US sanctions"
      If you want to continue doing business with the US you will need to worry about US sanctions. Is China willing to forfeit doing business with the US in order to do business with Iran? And China has been caught lying about the shell companies they have setup to circumvent US sanctions. And the US and other western countries have all but banned Chinese telecommunication and computer related products due to the security risks.

    21. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should China give a frog's fart about US sanctions? Especially after US unilaterally broke its treaty with Iran.

      Loss of access to the US Dollar banking system?

    22. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If China wants to do something that's perfectly legal for them, US law doesn't "trump" it, even if that happens to be US president's name.

      The United States decides who does and who does not have access to the US Dollar banking system. There are very few banks in the world that are willing to be cut off from the US Dollar banking system or to risk doing business with any bank that is. The reason for this is quite simple. Any bank that does business with a bank that is cut off from the US Dollar banking system risks being cut off itself and so on. This is precisely what gives the sanction its power and why bankers everywhere fear it, whether they're directly under US legal jurisdiction or not, because ultimately they must do business with banks that are who in turn will not be able to do business with them.

    23. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does US try to do business and travel through China if they sanction Chinese trade partners? What gives them the right?

      When you leave your country and travel out into the world you also leave behind much of the protection that it offers to you. You have heard the expression, "their country, their rules"? If you don't like that then you shouldn't leave China, but if you do travel abroad then it's a risk that you implicitly accept.

      Go ahead, tell me about your superiority and how you can do things that others aren't allowed to do Adolf.

      Again, our country and our rules. Canada and the United States are free to make whatever treaty arrangements are mutually agreeable to them. If you don't like that then don't travel to the United States or any nation that we have an extradition treaty with. As an American, I would never willingly set foot in China because I dislike your rules, but I would never begrudge the Chinese for enforcing their own rules in their own house. The Chinese complain of foreign meddling in their affairs, but then complain when one of their own is caught abroad breaking the rules of host nations?

    24. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's going to backfire in the next year or two. The Chinese have realized this is a big vulnerability and resolved to build the next generation of cellular hardware in China, using Chinese developed tech implementing Chinese patents.

      Essentially the US just signalled to the rest of the world not to rely on US tech exports. China was already looking to dominate 5G, or at the very least make sure that it could supply all the necessary parts domestically.

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    25. Re: This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America enforces its laws

      Tell that to Erik Prince.

      China is about as likely to enforce laws against their ruling class as the US is to enforce laws against their ruling class.

    26. Re: This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faggot trolls sure are raging hegemonists.

    27. Re:This is something to be proud of in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese see getting away with this as an admirable trait. If you get caught you lose face but... setting up a situation like this is like chum in the water to chinese businesses.

      Globalist-infiltrated cliques (cabals) see getting away with this as an admirable trait. If you get caught you lose face but... setting up a situation like this is like chum in the water to globalist-infiltration-ist businesses.

  3. Take out the hostage card! by hackingbear · · Score: 2

    Looks like someone can't get any succession from trade talks in Beijing.

    In the other news, Iraq is suspected to possess large amount of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    1. Re:Take out the hostage card! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "hostage" is under house arrest in Canada currently.

      Speaking of hostages, China has been grabbing many of its own on a regular basis and, in their case, they are quite literally hostages rather than white collar criminals on this scale (I added "on this scale" because I wouldn't put it past a lot of people doing business in China to be quite willing to take liberties with legalities).

    2. Re: Take out the hostage card! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Looks like someone can't get any succession from trade talks in Beijing.

      Looks like Chinese shills can't speak English correctlly.

      It's so funny that it's almost sad.

    3. Re:Take out the hostage card! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The comments on stories about China are always the same.

      - The Chinese are dishonourable, screwing foreigners over is part of their culture!
      - All Chinese tech is stolen, they have spies in the US pretending to be workers!
      - All Chinese tech has government mandated backdoors and spies on you!
      - China's human rights record means we should have nothing to do with them!*

      * You can still buy an iPhone though, for some reason that's fine.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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    4. Re:Take out the hostage card! by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      This is the big problem and its really big nasty whole in our FP. Its hard to take anything people like Susan Power or Bolton for that matter say seriously about higher moral callings while we do nothing about the Chinese and would curtail our relationship with them.

      Basically I say either we DO something about China for human rights / moral reasons and cut them off or else we need to just stop pretending we are doing anything other than modernized mercantilism.

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    5. Re:Take out the hostage card! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What could you actually do though? Surely not regime change, they have ICBMs.

      China is slowly liberalizing and improving its record. Part of that is due to increase scrutiny from the west, and because we demand higher standards in order to do business with them. RoHS is a good example, it cleaned up a lot of Chinese manufacturing despite only being a legal requirement for goods sold in the EU.

      The best way to promote human rights and improve things in China is probably to do business with China, while constantly pushing for higher and higher standards. If we require the workers in Chinese factories making products for western companies to have worker's rights and reasonable conditions then it means their rights are being respected to a much greater extent, and leads to wider changes. We are now at the point where companies like to show off the working conditions and clean, tidy factories when advertising their goods and services, i.e. working conditions have become a selling point.

      I'd welcome efforts to do more and make it happen faster, but I don't think "getting tough" is likely to so anything other than make them disengage.

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  4. in other news by zlives · · Score: 1

    what ever happened with iran contra trials

    1. Re:in other news by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Several convictions. Followed by several pardons.

      It's amazing what you can get away with on Christmas day in 1992, when re-election is no longer an issue.

    2. Re:in other news by zlives · · Score: 1

      true, my point however was more to do with Govt. posturing and denial. nothing new to see here :)

  5. "a Middle Eastern lawyer" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those Saudi connections are really starting to pay off now.

    1. Re:"a Middle Eastern lawyer" by times05 · · Score: 1

      In other news, our Saudi friends and allies have made great strides in women's rights and equality.

      No longer will a woman sit there wondering where her husband is after he decides to divorce her without saying anything. As of last week courts will be required to send notification text message to wife's phone, to tell her that she's been divorced. Now that's what I call progress!

    2. Re:"a Middle Eastern lawyer" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're what we call A CRIMINAL APOLOGIST FAGGOT! Yay, great job absolving China, lol! Meng sure isn't going to rot in prison, lol?

  6. FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I believe you meant to say "Whattabout" the unrelated 30+ year old issue you're bringing up now to distract, right? Stick to the script, the handlers wrote it carefully.

    1. Re:FTFY by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      I believe you meant to say "Whattabout" the unrelated 30+ year old issue you're bringing up now to distract, right? Stick to the script, the handlers wrote it carefully.

      "Whattabout" hypocrisy.

  7. Re:Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD by times05 · · Score: 1

    Ivan doesn't promote that sort of thing, quite the opposite. As a rule people that don't like Ivan are into that. They even blame Ivan of being homophobic at times.

  8. going to "Whattabout" in the open now, Ivan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you're going to "Whattabout" in the open now, Ivan?

    1. Re:going to "Whattabout" in the open now, Ivan? by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      So you're going to "Whattabout" in the open now, Ivan?

      "Whattabout" Ivan.

    2. Re:going to "Whattabout" in the open now, Ivan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crying about "Whataboutism" is the last refuge of the exposed hypocrite. You, sir, are pathetic.

    3. Re: going to "Whattabout" in the open now, Ivan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whattabout whattaboutism?

  9. Re:Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD by hackingbear · · Score: 1

    Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD

    More FUD on WMDs? Absolutely!

  10. Re:Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a faggot Ivan

  11. Get fucked China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's actually crimes WELL beyond US sanctions. It's fraud to facilitate violating those sanctions. Huawei wants to sell to US, its allies and partners, and violate our laws. Nope! You have to pay the piper one way or another.

    Get fucked China.

    1. Re:Get fucked China. by times05 · · Score: 1

      So either A) stop buying from China or B) stuff it.

      Oh right... look under the keyboard you're typing on, where is it made?.... Option B it is then.

    2. Re: Get fucked China. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Even with your inadequate grasp of English, you're able to communicate your desperation remarkably well.

    3. Re:Get fucked China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >or B) Die in prison, faggot.
      Eventually the rest of the world is going to kill all of you.
      You are their enemy, and they will be happy to shake you off as a master.
      They will torture you to death aswell.

    4. Re:Get fucked China. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will literally tear your faggot head clean off with my bare hands, or the digital equivalent if that's not available.

  12. The Chinese communist party by WCMI92 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is the real owner here. Any company that does business with China is subsidizing one of the most evil governments of all time. The ChiCom government is responsible for the mass murder of millions.

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    1. Re:The Chinese communist party by times05 · · Score: 1

      "US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 âoeVictim Nationsâ Since World War II" , that's just the headline of an article I happened to google.

    2. Re:The Chinese communist party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, don't trade with them. Of course, you will also support boycotting the US, too, right? By the same standard I mean.

    3. Re:The Chinese communist party by klingens · · Score: 0

      Is the real owner here. Any company that does business with China is subsidizing one of the most evil governments of all time. The ChiCom government is responsible for the mass murder of millions.

      Same goes for the US government. They stole the land they put their evil country on, and killed all peoples who lived there before. They even used chemical weapons of mass destruction to do it!
      The mass genocides (plural!) perpetrated by US presidents and the US Army is quite singular in history. The country was created with the blood of innocent men, women and children.
      Anyone who does business with the US is obviously also subsidizing the US government. They are also giving all their data they hand over to the US company to the US government.

    4. Re:The Chinese communist party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALL OF THAT WAS PRE-GENEVA. Learn how law works, then try to quote it at us moron.

    5. Re:The Chinese communist party by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      So, would you prefer the post-Geneva list then? 'Cause it's not exactly short either.....

    6. Re:The Chinese communist party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saudi Arabia

    7. Re:The Chinese communist party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also not ratified by Congress, if you want to really know something about why international law is toothless and jurisdiction is everything...

    8. Re: The Chinese communist party by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Yeah, huffpoo is great!

    9. Re:The Chinese communist party by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      So your argument is pre-Geneva doesn't count and post-Geneva doesn't count.

      Must be nice to never be responsible for anything.

    10. Re:The Chinese communist party by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I decided to give the article a read to see where they got that number. I don't even know where to start with how wacky their logic is. So far as I can tell, they're tying everything around the neck of the US that they can, regardless of how tenuous the connection is.

      For instance, the US "killed" 1.8M in Afghanistan, not because of our post-9/11 invasion (12K deaths), but rather because the Soviets killed that many in the '80s, and the Soviet invasion is apparently our responsibility. That's on top of the 2.5M we "killed" in Cambodia, because Pol Pot. I kid you not. As it turns out, we also killed everyone who died in the Vietnam (7.8M) and Korean (4.5M) wars, all of whom were "victims", and not a single one of which was an enemy combatant. Likewise, we "killed" 3M people as part of the 1971 genocide and civil war in Bangladesh (née East Pakistan), since the country was a Cold War ally of ours, which apparently means that we pulled the trigger ourselves.

      The article brings up some valid points (e.g. El Salvador), and there's no denying that the US bears some degree of responsibility in a number of these, but the headline is sensationalist garbage and nonsensical to the extreme. Were we to apply their logic to everyone else who also bears responsibility for these events, we would have collectively "killed" far more people than were even alive since WW2, let alone than the number who actually died.

    11. Re:The Chinese communist party by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      is subsidizing one of the most evil governments of all time

      Holy fuck are you in desperate need of both perspective and a history lesson.

  13. Re: Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like how all the US shills pop up and call everyone critisizing the US "Ivan". Newsflash: Russians aren't the only ones that dislike the international bullying of the US. You guys are pretty unpopular in Europe these days too (speaking as a Norwegian here), and I know both Japan and South Korea quite dislike the international behaviour of the US too (at least the younger generation, dunno about the older ones). And yes, don't give me the talk about protecting us militarily â" many people here don't want US troops stationed on our soil, and would be happy to have a defence alliance with the rest of Europe instead of remaining in NATO.

  14. Re:and drumpf has ties to russia by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    And Iraq did 9/11... No, wait, Afghanistan did 9/11.. But we know that Saudi Arabia had absolutely nothing to do with it. He just went in to renew his passport.

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  15. "Documents". From where, exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems the good honest America can always manage to find "documents" that help their case, regardless of what it is. Even foreign intelligence agencies seem to have a tendency of documenting everything they do, and then leaving those documents to be found.

    And in any case, the world needs to stand up to America's flippant bullshit trying to decide who is allowed to buy smartphones and mobile networks.

    Trading with Iranian telecom operators is not a crime. Killing hundreds of thousands of people with drone strikes and sanctions is.

  16. Re:Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a faggot, Ivan

  17. Re: Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not surprising. Europeans only like US policy when they get their free or discounted shit. Like USA nato air power and eqipment on the cheap, us support in Libya so EU can take all their oil with our help. Hell, you Scandinavians all gave obama a peace prize in advance as he waged crazy drone wars in syria and Libya years later. What a joke.

    All of a sudden USA trying to reign in some of their own priorities and now Europeans up in arms, big surprise. Most Koreans i know are very pleased with US policy. Same with Japanese.

  18. Whattabout whattabout whattabout this and that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whattabout whattabout whattabout Hackingbear Ivan?

  19. Ermagerd, international corp sells internationally by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just imagine if this critical eye was aimed at, say, American arms dealers. Or the Bush and Clinton families. Or all the high profile politicians like Howard Dean and Tom Ridge who have been PR flacks for groups on the State Department's list as terrorists:

    https://www.salon.com/2012/02/...

  20. Re: Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    "rein in", you fat fuck.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  21. Pictures or it didn't happen : John McCain by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    I got one for you : John McCain had ties with ISIS but the MSM doesn't seem to be interested in reporting about that : https://en.azvision.az/news/51...

    1. Re:Pictures or it didn't happen : John McCain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got something for you also, traitor Drumpftard.

  22. Looks like the Supreme Court is going along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sealed v Sealed indicates the appeals court is going to get the 50K/day fines levied. Gonna be tough collecting them directly, but if China wants to do business in the US there are lots of banking points to seize the funds.

  23. Good on Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's exposing the fake facade that's USA foreign policy.

    Now the average American is being exposed to the complete hypocritical foundation it lies upon

  24. hand that feeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they should be thanking wow-way for enabling a communication medium from which resistance to repressive clubberment can be organized (or instigated) lol

  25. Many thanks for sharing by martintolleygm · · Score: 1

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  26. At least Trump will be happy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...given he's decided to cede Syria to Iran and Turkey at the expense of the lives of the Kurds who helped us defeat ISIS he obviously supports Iran and Assad more than he lets on.

  27. Yet more lies Windy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you ever get sick of making things up?

  28. Selective enforcing is what dictatorships do... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/1...

    "A number of financial institutions, including JP Morgan, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and international banks, were all judged guilty and paid enormous fines for violating sanctions in the last several years," Roach told CNBC's Eunice Yoon on Friday. "None of their executives, of course, went to jail — why is Huawei being singled out for the sanctions violations?"

    Because it's only bad when other countries do it...

  29. Any proof Windy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She signed the paper work saying that they were not working with iran and then it turns out she is controlling the very company.

    Or are you just here to sow misinformation as usual?

    The Chinese gov is obviously using these 2 to attack the west with.

    Any evidence for this? Nope, just more FUD & lies.

  30. Can't be, China is Commie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know China is Communist right? A very smart poster told me. So they can't possibly have publicly traded anything. Employees can't own stock, it's all owned by the Government. Look it's in the name.

  31. Re:Ermagerd, international corp sells internationa by cmseagle · · Score: 1

    You're telling me that the Clinton family is in business with Iran, and somehow that bit of dirt didn't get dug up at any point in the 2016 campaign?

  32. Re:Ermagerd, international corp sells internationa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're telling me that the Clinton family is in business with Iran, and somehow that bit of dirt didn't get dug up at any point in the 2016 campaign?

    No, but they were definitely in business with Russia, which they somehow tried to expose Trump as being as their foundation was benefitting from doing business with oligarchs.

  33. So what Huawei is actually guilty of ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trading with country Uncle Sam slapped with unilateral sanctions because of inability to bomb the hell out of said country ?

  34. More FUD from you Windy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but working with them and syria, etc to use it against the west.

    Use what against the west? A mobile phone network? More FUD from you Windy.