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Software Patents Poised To Make a Comeback Under New Patent Office Rules (arstechnica.com)

Ben Klemens writes via Ars Technica: A landmark 2014 ruling by the Supreme Court called into question the validity of many software patents. In the wake of that ruling, countless broad software patents became invalid, dealing a blow to litigation-happy patent trolls nationwide. But this week the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) proposed new rules that would make it easier to patent software. If those rules take effect, it could take us back to the bad old days when it was easy to get broad software patents -- and to sue companies that accidentally infringe them.

The Federal Circuit Appeals Court is the nation's highest patent court below the Supreme Court, and it is notoriously patent friendly. Ever since the Supreme Court's 2014 ruling, known as Alice v. CLS Bank, the Federal Circuit has worked to blunt the ruling's impact. In a 2016 ruling called Enfish, the Federal Circuit ruling took a single sentence from the Supreme Court's 2014 ruling and used it as the legal foundation for approving more software patents. This legal theory, known as the "technical effects doctrine," holds that software that improves the functioning of a computer should be eligible for a patent. A version of this rule has long held sway in Europe, but it has only recently started to have an impact in U.S. law.

This week, the Patent Office published a new draft of the section on examining software and other potentially abstract ideas in its Manual of Patent Examination Procedure (MPEP). This is the official document that helps patent examiners understand and interpret relevant legal principles. The latest version, drawing on recent Federal Circuit rulings, includes far tighter restrictions on what may be excluded from patentability. This matters because there's significant evidence that the proliferation of software patents during the 1990s and 2000s had a detrimental impact on innovation -- precisely the opposite of how patents are supposed to work.

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  1. Software already has IP protection by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's called copyright.

    And at least with copyright, you may be able to make a fair use claim when you make a copy that is strictly for personal use... with patents, no fair use exemption exists.

    1. Re:Software already has IP protection by Frank+Burly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I saw an opportunity to be technically correct, and found out things had changed since I last looked at them. There was once a sort of "fair use" exception for "philosophical experimentation," but that has since been narrowed to oblivion by the same Federal Circuit. https://www.patentdocs.org/201...

  2. This is what you get by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Informative

    when you've got a government staffed with pro-corporate politicians from top to bottom. Start showing up to your primaries folks if you want any of this to change. And start demanding politicians who refuse corporate PAC money, like these.

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    1. Re:This is what you get by g01d4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      pro-corporate politicians

      I'd think this runs both ways with corporations as they're just as likely to get hassled as to hassle someone. Perhaps the big boys will just pay each other off or otherwise collude to keep the small fry at bay. Disgusting.

    2. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Start showing up all the time. And write letters. Mine usually say something to the effect of "dear sir/madame, i usually do not vote. But your drafting of bill "xyzfuinthea" is inspiring me not only to vote for whomever is running against you, but to bring 8 of my friends to vote for your opponent as well. We will also be visiting your neighborhood to elucidate your neighbors on your incompetent greed. Additionally we will be canvassing near your child's school so that their classmates will tell them what a dillhole you are. Perhaps when you get off of your knees from in front of your corporate paymasters, you can set aside some time for doing what is right for your country and its citizens instead of the global-multinational mega corps that you sold out to. Kindest regards.

    3. Re:This is what you get by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Everyone seems to forget a lot of politicians are in fact Lawyers and they do shit that favours lawyers and no one else bad lawyers, in fact laws made worse or obfuscated because that feeds lawyers and legal firms, of which many politicians and check out their families, are members. Bad laws, poorly written on purpose by lawyers to fill the pockets of their lawyer friends and family at everyone eles's expense. To prove how bad lawyers are, look no further than IBM and Microsoft, IBMs own in house lawyers diddled IBM investors in collusion with Billy Gates Mommy and Daddy lawyers, to get MSDOS (QDOS quick dirty operating system) without any copyright or patent protections, IBM's own lawyers diddled IBMs investors, hard.

      What was so wrong with all those companies going through all previous patents throughout history and adding 'DO IT ON A COMPUTER' and then patenting it. Lawyers make work for lawyers. When negotiating a contract, do not involve lawyers until the last minute, just to check do not involve them in the negotiating process unless you want it to blow out in time and cost, on purpose.

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    4. Re:This is what you get by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It actually wouldn't be so bad if those politicians were just pro-corporation. But what they are is pro-their-donors, which makes them pro status quo. It is in their interests to protect their donors against the entry of new competitors to the market.

      Many years ago I was CTO in a small startup and every so often someone would come into my office and say, "Hey, listen to this. There's this patent..."

      And I'd stop him right there. "STOP. This is going to be some bullshit patent where they took stuff people have been doing for years with LORAN, but do it with GPS instead or something like that."

      "Well, yeah. So what they did was..."

      And I'd have to stop him again. "STOP. I can't hear this. If this is something we're already doing and they find out, we'll have to negotiate a settlement. But if I've heard what this patent does, we'll have to negotiate while facing treble damages."

      Software patent examiners were so bad, they frequently enabled trolls and entrenched players block new competitors from using long established practices in conjunction with commonplace new technologies. And they remained bad for so many years, not despite stifling new competition. If politicians were pro competition that problem would have been fixed immediately.

      This made looking at patents an extremely risky for a working software engineer. That undermines the whole basis of the patent system, which isn't there to benefit only inventors. The patent system is at its root a deal: you the inventor get a limited time, government enforced monopoly on your invention in return for disclosing how the invention works. That disclosure means that at the conclusion of the patent the ideas go into the public domain as common knowledge.

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    5. Re:This is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This isn't pro-corporate - this is a self licking ice cream cone for the patent application process. This is in the interest in maximizing the "business" done by the USPTO and maximizing the revenue for everyone associated with it. Corporations just take advantage of this - they are not the drivers of this policy. Government organizations take on a private business mentality and do everything they can to expand, grow, etc. In theory, if a portion of the government becomes obsolete, it would be removed. In reality, that unit looks for some other way to survive, grow, etc. Once you create an office, good luck getting rid of it.

      Money is exchanged to file a patent.

      The amount of money exchanged can be maximized by allowing as many things to be patented as possible because then patents will be filed for everything no matter how ridiculous.

      The company I work for has a patent on a "Kinetic air defense" system for aircraft (US15092537/US9671200B1). The patent consists of a cartoon (!) showing a stealthy looking aircraft with a, well, cartoon box that can pop! out and deploy thingys. A "control system" will guide the thingys to the other thingys trying to take out the aircraft. Absolutely no details on the control system, math, physics whatever, are covered - this is the same level of sophistication as what the average boy in 4th grade doodles (at least, for those destined to be engineers). I'm embarrassed to see this associated with the company - how do the engineers who filed this sleep at night? Oh yea, that is right - "leadership" ties promotions to patents, so every time someone at the company wipes their ass they file a patent for it!

      I actually do some really cutting edge stuff for these idiots and it drives management nuts I won't file anything (they want you to file stuff even when the government paid for it!). Of course I'm many years behind on a promotion due to this but that is why we have resumes (for now there are still some interesting things to work on)...

    6. Re:This is what you get by someoneOtherThanMe · · Score: 2

      ...do not involve them in the negotiating process unless you want it to blow out in time and cost, on purpose.

      That's easy to say from not-a-lawyer perspective, when you haven't seen shit fail due to bad contracts. I can easily imagine people building an IT system saying "don't involve the security guys unless you want it to blow out in time and cost, on purpose".

  3. Impeachment by StormReaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Every single judge in the ninth circuit that votes to ignore the Supreme Court needs to be impeached and removed from office. I would also be favorable to giving some of them jail time.

    1. Re:Impeachment by BitterOak · · Score: 2

      Every single judge in the ninth circuit that votes to ignore the Supreme Court needs to be impeached and removed from office. I would also be favorable to giving some of them jail time.

      The article is talking about the Federal Circuit, not the Ninth Circuit. The Federal Circuit hears appeals to patent cases nationwide. And I don't think there is any mechanism, nor should there be, for jailing judges that don't interpret precedent in the way you'd like.

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  4. just move countries - well done USA - move out by johnjones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    dont have a office in the USA or bank account (you can still accept US dollars etc )

    USA is the last place you want to pay tax's

    If your selling software even a small amount do as the large corporate entities do and pay no tax... It's the American Corporate Way
    vote with your dollars and tax then they might get the message...

             

  5. Software and other potentially abstract ideas by dfghjk · · Score: 2

    Software is not an abstract idea nor has that ever been the argument.

    Furthermore, these are not "proposed new rules" but new guidance and they are already "in effect" as noted later in the last paragraph. This new guidance is a good thing as it helps promote consistency and ends the craziness that erupted with the Alice decision. It is also entirely consistent with recent court rulings, the problem was that patent examiners are typically not lawyers and are not easily persuaded by legal arguments. By incorporating recent decisions in updated guidance, more consistency in granted patents can be achieved and less effort and money is wasted. This is all a good thing, it does not, in any way, make "software patents" easier to obtain.

    In short, everything about this is wrong and the author is ignorant.

  6. Want a monopoly? by Roodvlees · · Score: 2

    Ask the government to terrorize your competitors.
    Governments claim to oppose monopolies, yet they are the only way a real monopoly can be achieved.
    The software world has been going so well with open source and lack of suffocation by government.
    This is a major blow to improvements in the field.

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  7. Same purpose and same core problem by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Copyrights and patents do not overlap and serve different purposes.

    The very fact that software can be both copyrighted and patented shows your argument to be incorrect as a practical matter. Furthermore the core purpose of both is to address the free rider problem. Copyright deals with it for documented creative works and patents are supposed to deal with it for tangible practical inventions but they are solving the same problem in two different domains with different practical requirements.

    The existence of copyright does not mean that patents don't apply to software.

    Obviously but one can make a very reasonable argument that because software is copyrighted, patents should not and need not apply to software. Software at its core is nothing more than a fancy math formula. It's instructions to a machine. I have yet to see any credible argument detailing how society benefits if we should allow patents on mathematical formulas or any other intangible idea like a business process.