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Car Manufacturers Want To Monitor Drivers Inside Their Cars (reuters.com)

Startups are demonstrating "sensor technology that watches and analyzes drivers, passengers and objects in cars" reports Reuters -- a technology that "will mean enhanced safety in the short-term, and revenue opportunities in the future."

SonicSpike shares their report: Whether by generating alerts about drowsiness, unfastened seat belts or wallets left in the backseat, the emerging technology aims not only to cut back on distracted driving and other undesirable behavior, but eventually help automakers and ride-hailing companies make money from data generated inside the vehicle... Data from the cameras is analyzed with image recognition software to determine whether a driver is looking at his cellphone or the dashboard, turned away, or getting sleepy, to cite a few examples... European car safety rating program Euro NCAP has proposed that cars with driver monitoring for 2020 should earn higher ratings...

But automakers are more excited by the revenue possibilities when vehicle-generated data creates a more customized experience for riders, generating higher premiums, and lucrative tie-ins with third parties, such as retailers. "The reason (the camera) is going to sweep across the cabin is not because of distraction ... but because of all the side benefits," said Mike Ramsey, Gartner's automotive research director. "I promise you that companies that are trying to monetize data from the connected car are investigating ways to use eye-tracking technology...." Carmakers could gather anonymized data and sell it. A billboard advertiser might be eager to know how many commuters look at his sign, Ramsey said. Tracking the gaze of a passenger toward a store or restaurant could, fused with mapping and other software, result in a discount offered to that person.

The Cadillac CT6 already has interior-facing cameras, Reuters reports, while Audi and Tesla "have developed systems but they are not currently activated." And this year Mazda, Subaru and Byton plan to introduce cameras that watch for inattentive drivers.

But where will it end? One company's product combines five 2D cameras with AI technology to provide "in-vehicle scene understanding" which includes each passenger's height, weight, gender and posture. And while low on specifics, Reuters reports that several companies that sell driver-watching technologies "have already signed undisclosed deals for production year 2020 and beyond."

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  1. No One Has Respect For Consumers by DewDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You sell us a car and spy on us to make money?

    Fuck you. I can't wait to see the industry that pops up having to protect us from THE SHIT WE OWN!

    1. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. Now someone explain to me how ignoring consumer needs and wants is market forces at work. Such top down diktat is something one would expect from a communist central planners.

    2. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by DewDude · · Score: 2

      I mean..I'd go along with this if they weren't charging insane amounts for a car. Sure..I'll buy the car with the spy-on-me-technology; but I'm not going to pay more than $100 for it. The rest you'll make selling my personal information.

      They just want their cake and to steal our ice cream.

    3. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      It's simple, all manufacturers will do this, and the customer can walk or ride a bicycle if they don't like it. Isn't that how all "progressive" technology works?

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    4. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by dryriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What makes you think that you'll even be able to OWN a car made by these motherfuckers in the future? How long before these douchebags go Adobe/Autodesk on us, and cars become FORCED RENTALS that you can RENT and not BUY, just like some software today? Because THAT is how they can actually force 24/7 in-car-surveillance on people. Its a RENTAL, so you can't take any of their electronics out of the car you drive. And yes I agree, these are COMMUNIST MOTHERFUCKERS at heart. No self-respecting capitalist or industrialist would have dared put REMOTE SURVEILLANCE inside a production car.

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    5. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. They're corporatist filth -- corporate paternalism dates back to Henry Ford (rot in hell), who used private investigators to catch his employees drinking off the job and fire them. Unfettered capitalism and Soviet-style Communism are just two sides of the same authoritarian coin.

    6. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      It will probably be like this:
      Today - Normal car €25,000
      Tomorrow - Car with Spyware €24,000, Car without Spyware €30,000 and a double insurance premium.

      I'm not against this sort of technology on principal grounds, but what scares me is that we'll end up in a situation where we will have no choice but to have them invade our privacy, either because all products do it or they make the non spying ones prohibitively expensive. I'd be in favour of beefing up the GDPR a little, so that any data collection and transmission of data to the mothership is strictly opt-in after purchase, with the companies being allowed to offer a monetary reward for opting in but not exceeding a certain (smallish) % of the purchase price. And with a strict separation of features, so you can't bundle them in order to force them to buy them ("Sorry, you cannot get the autopilot feature without the in-cab cameras and rectal thermometers")

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    7. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      That's one possible outcome -- the other is a French Revolutionary style leveling.

    8. Re:No One Has Respect For Consumers by markdavis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >"Unfettered capitalism and Soviet-style Communism are just two sides of the same authoritarian coin."

      You don't need to imagine extremes to describe the existing and ever-growing nanny state we have RIGHT NOW that tells us what we can put in our bodies, that we have to wear seat belts, that we must have 1,000 restrictions on Constitutional rights, what words we are allowed to say, that we aren't allowed to use plastic straws, etc.

      I am certainly not in favor of anarchy, but there is a line we crossed, sometime, a long time ago. And each generation is more than willing to allow more government intrusion into their lives for "safety" or "convenience". Generation after generation, it is rapidly adding up. My great, great grandparents would be utterly shocked what the "land of the free" has become, especially people's lack of responsibility for their own actions and lack of respect for one another.

  2. Highly advanced image recognition indeed by TimothyHollins · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But where will it end? One company's product combines five 2D cameras with AI technology to provide "in-vehicle scene understanding" which includes each passenger's height, weight, gender and posture.

    How exactly will they "understand" the gender of the passenger? Check for pink hair and Tumblr stickers?

  3. Why Did The Chicken Cross The Road? by dryriver · · Score: 2

    Because there was a car park full of 3D CCTV camera-equipped ORWELL CARS recording its every move on this side.

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  4. Authoritarians & Capitalists by eastjesus · · Score: 2

    Chevrolet president William S. Knudsen said Nazism was the miracle of the 20th century and Hitler had a portrait of Henry Ford hanging in his office while the Union Banking Corporation headed by Sen. Prescott Bush (father of presidents Bush senior and grandfather of George W.) made millions funding his rise. GM’s wholly-owned Adam-Opal Co. was producing Nazi tanks, trucks and bomber engines while IBM tabulating equipment was used to select who lived and who died in concentration camps. James D. Mooney, GM’s vice-president for foreign operations, was proudly joined by Henry Ford and IBM chief Tom Watson in receiving the Grand Cross of the German Eagle from Hitler for their considerable efforts on behalf of the Third Reich.

  5. Four little letters... by Tomahawk · · Score: 2

    G.D.P.R.

  6. Re:Aaaand The Carmakers Finally Went Crazy Too... by hackertourist · · Score: 4, Informative

    Call me when you figure out how to make a high-speed crash survivable

    Current cars are vastly better at that than their counterparts from 1984. Airbags. Finite element analysis to inform a crash structure that uses 10 types of steel in the same monocoque, making sure a car crumples in just the right way to minimize deceleration for the occupants. ABS, ESP and dozens of other safety systems. 30 years of advances in tires.
    At a cost of a few hundred kg in extra weight, modern cars have made crashes survivable that were absolutely fatal in a 1984 vehicle.

    solve the aquaplaning problem

    ABS, ESP, vastly improved tire technology have done most of that. All that remains is a boxing glove that comes out of the dashboard to punch the driver in the face when he insists on keeping his foot down in torrential rain.

  7. Re:Aaaand The Carmakers Finally Went Crazy Too... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    All that remains is a boxing glove that comes out of the dashboard to punch the driver in the face when he insists on keeping his foot down in torrential rain.

    If it can be triggered by a plurality of the other drivers in his immediate vicinity, all the better.

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  8. I'm hopeful by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, you read correctly. I'm hopeful.

    See, there is a level where even the masses start to say "do not want". Placebo as it may be, look around and you'll see plenty of people putting tape over their laptop webcams. Amazon's "we can give delivery men the ability to open your door, which is totally safe because of the camera that goes along with it" initiative is one I have yet to meet literally anybody who said "I want that". I think "multiple cameras in my car, uploading video in realtime" might have a niche in Uber vehicles or driverless cars (keeps drivers safe and passengers accountable), but I think even the Alexa-owning masses will say "too far".

    More to the point, I don't see how this technology won't pit the advertisers against the insurance companies. The crux of the issue hinges on what is truly meant by "revenue opportunities". How will these systems generate revenue? Consumers won't pay for the video footage. Law enforcement agencies won't pay for access proactively, especially because it would simply ensure none of their actual-suspects use those cars. Image or video ads are a guaranteed way to distract the driver (insurance companies will never allow it). Audio ads won't be okay; if nothing else ClearChannel won't want the competition. City planners won't pay for it; they can get that sort of aggregate data from Google Maps or those statistical boxes.

    My point is that there is a point where even John Q. Public is going to care. Alexa provides entertainment and utility, smartphones the same, but a whole system dedicated to post-sale monetization while providing no utility to customers that Android Auto or the Apple equivalent can't also provide? Yeah, I think that even those people are going to have an uphill battle.

  9. This will be put in only one model-year of car ... by sabt-pestnu · · Score: 2

    ... because people like me will go from dealer to dealer, saying that in-car espionage is a deal breaker for my purchase of a new car.

    It happened with those motorized seat belts. It will happen with this.