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US Regulators Have Met To Discuss Imposing a Record-Setting Fine Against Facebook For Some of Its Privacy Violations: Report (washingtonpost.com)

U.S. regulators have met to discuss imposing a record-setting fine against Facebook for violating a legally binding agreement with the government to protect the privacy of its users' personal data, The Washington Post reported Friday [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source], citing three people familiar with the deliberations. From the report: The fine under consideration at the Federal Trade Commission, a privacy and security watchdog that began probing Facebook last year, would mark the first major punishment levied against Facebook in the United States since reports emerged in March that Cambridge Analytica, a political consultancy, accessed personal information on about 87 million Facebook users without their knowledge. The penalty is expected to be much larger than the $22.5 million fine the agency imposed on Google in 2012. That fine set a record for the greatest penalty for violating an agreement with the FTC to improve its privacy practices.

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  1. Probably wont be enough by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 2

    Unless its in the multiple of billions, this will be just a slap.
    They are one of the biggest companies in the world. I am sure $100,000,000 fine would suck somewhat, but its not enough.

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    1. Re: Probably wont be enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Record setting fine! Thatâ(TM)s hilarious! Hahhahhahhahhahhah

    2. Re:Probably wont be enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They'll really feel this one. It's almost 0.17% of their quarterly revenue!

      No, not 17%, seventeen hundredths of a percent.

      https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2018/Facebook-Reports-Third-Quarter-2018-Results/default.aspx

    3. Re:Probably wont be enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least one billion US dollars for first offense. Five billion for second offense. Dismantle the company completely for third offense.

    4. Re: Probably wont be enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its not their first or second offence. I think they should fund the wall. Lets suggest a 40 billion dollar fine for 'first' offence, its Facebook, and show the world that the US can 10x the Germans fines which have one up to 4 billion.

  2. Fines do not matter nor are they nearly adequate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zucker and Sand both lied to Congress. Lock them up along with the Trump administration liars. We need to set a new standard. No more lying as usual! Fines don't accomplish squat with super-giants like Facebook or Google.

  3. fine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anything less than $500million will just be a slap on the wrist and something they can easily cover

  4. b..bu..bu..but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    facebook's greed and ignorance are significant contributors to brexit and, even more spectacular (and not in a good way), the entire shitshow that is the trump presidency.

    had they not sold out to russian trolls (and perhaps chinese and/or saudi..) and spooks and republican campaign and its vendors (cambridge analytics, et al) and major donors (koch, nra, etc).. the uk would not be trying to leave the e.u. and trump would in jail instead of the white house.

    i can't see trump-friendly government officials going after facebook.. maybe what they really meant is they're gonna get a slap on the wrist, because we 'just have' to do 'something' since the e.u. started to hammer fb.

    1. Re:b..bu..bu..but... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Trump needs Twitter, not Facebook. As long as Twitter continues to work, you can shutdown everything else, including government, Facebook, the world...

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  5. Treason and fraud is bad, yes moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US regulators. Not Trump, not Trump's order, mandate, or interest. Trump is obviously facing much worse "regulation" than Facebook is. He'll die in prison.

    1. Re: Treason and fraud is bad, yes moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear he keeps asking to be let in early but they tell him to go away. Has anybody seen him recently?

    2. Re:Treason and fraud is bad, yes moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ignorance is funny -- the regulators are part of the executive branch.

  6. It's time to fine Facebook USERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook would not be the behemoth it is without the legions of stupid people who sign up, give it access to their phones, their contacts, their GPS logs, their messages, their web browsing history... and along the way drag the NON-Facebook users into "shadow profiles" from the scraped contact lists and texting data.

    There was literally no reason to ever use Facebook or sign up for it. It was made by a creep to stalk girls at his university.

    It succeeds because people MAKE it succeed. It's time to start fining its users, too, for enabling behaviors.

    1. Re:It's time to fine Facebook USERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fining the users is the right answer. Make them culpable for their own stupidity. This alone will push them away from FaceBook, which will kill it outright.

    2. Re:It's time to fine Facebook USERS by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      Without *killing* the users, who's to say some other copycat website won't come along and lure them into making the same dumb mistake of trying to communicate with others?

  7. Gonna be real honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At 50 billion in annual revenue this last year and their ongoing growth... I mean, a fine I have to pay every 5-10 years over whatever even a years revenue is not going to change my behavior much. Even if growth flatlines... Shit dawg, I'll just get better at covering my tracks.

  8. Facebook has insurance for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Large corporations have insurance to pay for govenrment imposed fines.

    Actual penalty should be, insert state attorney general here, preventing Facebook from showing ads or content in the state of ______.

    Funny how Wells Fargo, with all of the fraudulently opened financial accounts - identity theft - is still operating in all 50 states. A much smaller organization would have been run out of business.

    Both state and federal regulators should break apart these companies as part of the fine or prevent them from doing business in a state.

    The USA was not founded so that each large industry would have 3 or 4 major companies which would not collude but just quickly mimic the actions of the other companies which in effect acts as a single large near-monopoly. Where's anti-trust, anti-cartel regulations?

    1. Re:Facebook has insurance for this by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      Not going to happen
      The people in power have the money and power, and they want to keep it.,
      They wouldn't allow this.

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  9. NOT Nationalize Facebook?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Traitorous whores sucking Chinese moneycocks. The ONLY sane answer is nationalization and disencorporation.

  10. I bet it's a promise not to do it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ;D

  11. Thank Trump for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody cared about privacy when Obama's campaign did the exact same thing; quite the opposite - they were roundly praised for their use of social media, and cemented Twitter as "official government agency" by holding twitter town halls, and such.

    If not for Trump they'd be doubling down on their privacy violations under Hill dawg, and again, be roundly praised for it.

    1. Re: Thank Trump for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL.

      You know the two aren't even remotely the same. But you knew that already. It's been debunked over and over again on slashdot.

    2. Re:Thank Trump for this by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If we hang Obama, can we chop the annoying orange too?

      I mean, it's a small price to pay, really... especially since I don't care about either of them too much. If you want to, add Hillary's head as a goof.

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  12. Re:Orange Man Bad by Aighearach · · Score: 0

    He doesn't even read briefings.

    If it wasn't on Fox News, he doesn't even know it is happening. And even if it was, he knows as much about what happened as any other viewer.

  13. Fines don't stop the rich by Dust038 · · Score: 2

    Fines don't stop the rich. Jail Time folks. Jail Time for the entire Executive board. Make people take Responsibility. Cut all outside access until they get out and I'm not talking Brock Turner sentencing. I'm talking possession of drugs where you get more years than child rapists. Possession of Data.

    1. Re: Fines don't stop the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jail. Go China's route and start killing executives of bad companies.

    2. Re: Fines don't stop the rich by Dust038 · · Score: 1

      But then there'd be no executives left! Oh...right..then wealth would be redistributed and ...ah

    3. Re:Fines don't stop the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compromise: Force Facebook to shut down for a week. Seriously, that'll have a bigger impact on them than any fine or sending of their execs to jail (including Zuck).

    4. Re:Fines don't stop the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fines don't stop the rich.

      Jail Time folks. Jail Time for the entire Executive board.

      Isn't this how China handles things?

    5. Re: Fines don't stop the rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      40 billion fine and/or jail time is an appropriate starting point, show the worls the US can 10x the Germans fines of around 4 billion.

    6. Re: Fines don't stop the rich by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, these jobs are quiet attractive, you'll find people to fill them.

      And if you don't, don't fret. The quality of the average CEO decisions can easily be matched by a magic 8 ball.

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  14. Do not only fine them but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When we start imprisoning the managers i.e Zuckerberg in a hard labor prison Angola we might start seeing results and fining them so that shareholders profit is damaged will we start seeing results

    1. Re:Do not only fine them but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't the shareholders fault. Really the fines need to be the personal financial AND criminal responsibility of the management, hold them legally accountable and all the shit will stop in a heartbeat without hurting innocent parties.

    2. Re:Do not only fine them but by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why waste taxpayer money? A bullet is cheap and very efficient.

      And the good thing is, you only have to cap one of the bastards, the rest will quickly understand. They're smart.

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  15. Facebook stock will probably go up... by PongoX11 · · Score: 2

    When investors see how great the ROI is on privacy violations. Billions and billions in illicit earnins and millions in fines--seems like a great racket.

    1. Re: Facebook stock will probably go up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least 10x the penalty on earnings. Hence, 40 billion, 400 billion fines?

  16. Re:Time to move business out of the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Libertarian faggot apologists GET OUT of this country!

  17. Why not treat this as a copyright violation by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    of each person affected? 87 million counts, which seems like a willful violation.

    Civil and criminal penalties should be applied, instead of a slap on the wrist, which would amount to a rounding error in BookFaces bottom line.

  18. Re:Orange Man Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay attention everyone, this is what Trump derangement syndrome looks like.

  19. Will They Even Notice It? by rlp · · Score: 2

    Facebook revenue is $142 million per day (with a 37.5% profit margin). The "large" fine will be a small footnote in their annual report.

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    1. Re:Will They Even Notice It? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect thinking: Apathetic government hands Major Corporation Record Braking fine that is .00001% of its annual revenue.
      Correct thinking: Corrupt Government coerces Major Corporation to make Record Breaking Bribe that is .00001% of its annual revenue.

      These are not fines, they are bribes.

      The government has real recourse. It can revoke corporate charters. It can arrest executives. It can engage in "dirty tricks" on home soil. It simply chooses not to engage in it or really let us know why.

      Get your facts straight.

  20. Re: Orange Man Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People like you will be fun to track down IRL when the war comes. You've got a comeuppance coming.

  21. Toilet by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    How do you fine someone for throwing society in the toilet for their own benefit?

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    1. Re:Toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How do you fine someone for throwing society in the toilet for their own benefit?"

      Elect them president?

    2. Re:Toilet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      We tried that, it didn't work so well. Got any other suggestions?

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  22. Heads up, nazi faggots. You are dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nazi faggots like you are already being hunted by THE REST OF AMERICA at once. We're literally going to kill every single last one of you inbred faggots.

  23. joke fines. by gravewax · · Score: 1

    unless the fine ends up SEVERAL orders of magnitude bigger than the google one then it isn't even a slap on the wrist. the 22.5million for google was a joke, it would need to be 100 times that before it even becomes an issue for management to take seriously. both facebook and google would spend orders of magnitude more on their legal teams, this is just pocket money for them. Fines are meant to deter, these do the opposite,.

  24. Record setting? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Who cares about the dollar amount. It's just a percent of FB's valuation in all likelihood. It sounds like a high number but to FB it's not. What they should do is either fine them exactly 6 billion and use it to fund the wall, which would be hilarious, or force Mark Z to cut off his left arm.

  25. Hahahahaah by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    The penalty is expected to be much larger than the $22.5 million fine the agency imposed on Google in 2012.

    And this is why US Regulators are an international joke.

  26. Facebook can build the wall! by Gandalf360 · · Score: 1

    I think the government should solve two problems at the same time.

    Make facebook build the wall.

    Everyone back to work for Monday!

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  27. Re:Fines do not matter nor are they nearly adequat by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    A billion per lie to congress, sounds adequate?

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  28. Big Fine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even a fine twice as large as Google's would be $45 million. That is not even pocket change compared to the amount of money Facebook makes off of violating people's privacy every day.

  29. Why do I picture Dr. Evil? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    With his pinky at his mouth, when announcing the "record" fine...

    22.5 Millions. Wow. That's a LOT! Well, at least until you realize that Facebook's annual income was 40 Billions in 2017. In other words, the record breaking sum they're about to fine them (maybe, probably, it's not quite through yet) is about 0.05 of a percent of their annual income. 0.05 percent. Not 0.05 of their income, but actually 0.0005.

    To put that into perspective, let's assume you earn 100,000 a year. Then this fine would be about 50 bucks. The record breaking fine of 50 .... last time I was speeding it cost more than that! Did I stop speeding? Not even for the same day. Did I even notice the fine? No. I was honestly pissed about the time wasted with the cop there than the 50 bucks. I guess that's why Zuckerfucker doesn't appear at hearings anymore. "Fine me if you please, assholes, but stop fucking wasting my time!" seems to be the sentiment here.

    Do I care about such a fine? Would you?

    Do you think Facebook does?

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  30. Won't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As everyone is pointing out, unless it's in a whole other league (billions) they will just laugh at us.

    I can hear it now: "heh... dumb fucks..."

  31. A fine is absurb. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook hasn't broken the law. Additionally, _everyone_ using Facebook knows, or should know, what the deal is. Anyone still using Facebook _knows_ that Facebook is tracking and datamining them, and it's all in the user agreement they clicked "Accept" on but didn't read.

    The government shouldn't penalize Facebook for doing something that there's no rules against, and users agreed to. If they want to fine Facebook they should pass a law first.

  32. No fine just sanction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prevent FaceBook from serving up ads to anyone with an IP address in New York state. The state attorney general could prevent Facebook from operating in that state.

    Simple said, a fine will be paid by FB's insurance company or FB but FB will still be in business.

    What's needed is to prevent FB from doing business. The money fines are a penalty but will not prevent bad actions.

    Regulators do this all the time by taking over insolvent banks, shutting down businesses due to excessive public nuisance violations, etc.

    Think how Wells Fargo had fraud and identity theft systematic in each state and somehow stills has operating banks in each of those states. Why did not the state AG shut down Wells Fargo state by state?

  33. Re: Orange Man Bad by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    LOL when the war comes, just look for the Americans fighting for everybody's rights and you'll find me right there shooting the brownshirt to your left or right.

  34. PLEASE GO AFTER WINDOWS 10 and other evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    companies