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Demand and Salaries For Data Scientists Continue To Climb (ieee.org)

Data-science job openings are expanding faster than the number of technologists looking for them, says job-search firm Indeed. From a report: Back in August, a LinkedIn analysis concluded that the United States is facing a significant shortage of data scientists, a big change from a surplus in 2015. Last week, job-search firm Indeed reported that its data indicates the shortage is getting worse: While more job seekers are interested in data-science jobs, the number of job postings from employers has been rising faster than the number of interested applicants.

According to Indeed, job postings for data scientists as a share of all postings were up 29 percent in December 2018 compared with December 2017, while searches were only up around 14 percent. "The bargaining power in data science remains with the job seekers," Andrew Flowers, Indeed economist, stated in a press release. [...] Salaries for data scientists are up as well. Average salary in the area surrounding Houston, which topped the 2018 list when adjusted for the cost of living, climbed 16.5 percent since 2017, while the average salary in the San Francisco Bay Area, No. 2 on the adjusted list, jumped 13.7 percent over Indeed's 2017 numbers.

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  1. Training by lazarus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No doubt the big money will be in Data Scientist training programs.

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    1. Re: Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honey I got a new job! What, honey? Data scientist! That sounds so smart honey!

    2. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No doubt the big money will be in Data Scientist training programs.

      Humans should enjoy this job while they can, because the only training I see in the future is teaching AI to do this job.

    3. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think the majority of data scientists have any relevant training?

    4. Re: Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boot camp in data science, former JavaScript boot camp. Only 10k.

    5. Re:Training by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Funny

      What makes you think the majority of data scientists have any relevant training?

      Because it is so easy to do. Most of the courses are available for free on Youtube. I started watching Bayesian statistics and Tensorflow tutorials on Friday afternoon. By Monday morning, I was a data scientist.

    6. Re:Training by jythie · · Score: 1

      I would argue that this type of work is pretty resistant to AI. Data science is all about adding the human touch after big data has done all it can with collecting information. I am not sure how easily that can be automated since it is very human oriented.

    7. Re:Training by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      The demand is quite peculiar ie 'are you anal retentive enough to be completely blithely ammoral about prying into the private lives of people so that you can manipulative them in order to monetise their existence, then we have a job for you'. Now, that is the truth, that particular job is attracting the worst of the worst, in the digital arena both in terms of employers and employees, real slimey douche bag territory. Not all there are all sorts of valid data analysis problems but everyone knows thanks to the precedents set by the dick brains at Google and co, prying into and controlling people's private lives is the dominant focus, it's a fucking sickness.

      Being associated with that kind of employment is going to become a real stain upon a persons character, guilt by intimate association, oh your a data scientist, hows that anal probe program going.

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    8. Re:Training by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      It is just "Quants" 2.0. Another bubble that will eventually burst. Try reading about the guy behind Khan Academy for example.

    9. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people think that only a Masters level applied statistics degree with a sprinkle of "soft skills" and business skills will do to actually reach the expected results on the job that the title "Data Scientist" implies. That, or year to 18 month of intensive retraining for already educated with some of the relevant skills. No wonder they have difficulties finding people that are not consultants.

    10. Re:Training by jma05 · · Score: 1

      Data Science is not just mining social network data. It applies to any data.
      The data science I am in contact with is all about publishing papers and little about monetizing anything.
      And this is stuff being done for ages, except that this is a new umbrella term since there are a common set of algorithms and technologies that everyone finds useful.

    11. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who's the crazy guy who hired you with that statement?

    12. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should stop giving away your data for free if you care about others knowing it. Its not my ethics, its your lack of brain.

    13. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So exploitation of the uneducated is unrelated to your ethics?

    14. Re:Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data Science is not just mining social network data. It applies to any data.
      The data science I am in contact with is all about publishing papers and little about monetizing anything.
      And this is stuff being done for ages, except that this is a new umbrella term since there are a common set of algorithms and technologies that everyone finds useful.

      My work is analyzing equipment performance and failure rates with the goal of improving equipment quality. Big data is not always bad.

  2. Fancy words for statisticians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why must tech nerds rebrand everything?

    1. Re:Fancy words for statisticians by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      why must tech nerds rebrand everything?

      We did it? You are not a troll, you are an Agitation Engineer.

    2. Re:Fancy words for statisticians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually not just statistics, although statistics is involved of course. It's how you find and arrive at them also using code you write for the purpose. Statistics is just the shovel.

    3. Re:Fancy words for statisticians by godrik · · Score: 1

      Actually it is not. I graduate a PhD student that does data science.
      When looking for job he realized that "data scientist" essentially means anything from "I need someone to key some form on the computer" to "I need someone to develop new machine learning model", going through "I need an engineer to set up a data lake", and including "I need an excel guru to prototype models and do some regressions".
      Salaries naturally range from barely-more-than-minimum-wage to six-digit-salaries.
      And the mess is not going to get better with degrees in Data Science that pops everywhere. How do you call a job which primary requirement is to have a BS in Data Science, it really is a Data Scientist position. But it can mean a million different things.

    4. Re:Fancy words for statisticians by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      why must tech nerds rebrand everything?

      We did it? You are not a troll, you are an Agitation Engineer.

      I dunno know about that. Not good quality trolling. Probably only an Agitation Analyst.

    5. Re:Fancy words for statisticians by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Put a red shirt on him and beam him down to the planet surface.

    6. Re: Fancy words for statisticians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to English more better.

    7. Re:Fancy words for statisticians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If your hiring a PhD student to design a data lake your in a world of hurt.

    8. Re: Fancy words for statisticians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to grammar more better.

  3. $50,000 by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Can you make more than $50,000? Asking for a friend...

    1. Re:$50,000 by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      Can you make more than $50,000? Asking for a friend...

      Error 501 - Not implemented - No data scientists could be found to answer that question.

    2. Re:$50,000 by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      "Data scientist" isn't a real position, so no.

    3. Re:$50,000 by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Corollary: real scientists don't need no data. If a theory is any good, it can practically prove itself without any pesky real-world facts.

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    4. Re:$50,000 by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Can you make more than $50,000? Asking for a friend...

      Error 501 - Not implemented - No data scientists could be found to answer that question.

      Yeah, they're all too busy making more than $50,000.

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    5. Re: $50,000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A clear reference to AGW officianados

    6. Re: $50,000 by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      A clear reference to AGW officianados

      Real scientist don't need no spelling either. The meaning of their theories should be obvious from the context.

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    7. Re:$50,000 by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      That's kind of the point, all scientists are data scientists - "data scientist" isn't actually something anyone hires for. "Business analyst," "statistician," "business intelligence developer," etc are - but if any of those people tried to claim "sorry, I can't write code because I'm a data scientist" they'd get shitcanned within a day.

  4. Demand is not quite high enough yet it seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I keep applying for these jobs, all of which I am completely qualified for, but the computer sees that my college degree is from 1987 and instantly deletes my resume.

    1. Re:Demand is not quite high enough yet it seems by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Stop making shit up. Nobody with a degree from 1987 has their graduation date on their resume.

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    2. Re:Demand is not quite high enough yet it seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When reviewing a resume, the first thing I look at is when the candidate graduated from college and, like the computer, a date of 1987 gets the Delete button treatment - in fact anything after 1985 does. I need people who really understand computers and most who graduated after 1985 don't seem to (most have never even written a simple program in assembly, let alone done any microcoding).

      So, I keep them off my lawn with the Delete button.

    3. Re: Demand is not quite high enough yet it seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Indeed" is a total bullshit. Headhunting scummy contract agencies.

    4. Re:Demand is not quite high enough yet it seems by werepants · · Score: 0

      Just interviewed two dudes from this era, both of whom had graduation dates on their resume. One of them had been continually improving his skills and will get an offer (although we probably won't be able to afford him...), another one had spent most of his time having lackeys do the heavy lifting, and won't get an offer because he hasn't stayed up to date and is now scrambling to catch up.

      Ageism is real, I'm sure, but there are also a lot of people that get complacent and expect to keep getting paid even when the technology has moved out from under them.

    5. Re:Demand is not quite high enough yet it seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you are looking at the wrong candidates, plenty of engineering schools with a focus on computer engineering (NOT computer science) still do plenty of assembly programming. You need to learn what to look for, rather than just being an ageist piece of shit and not knowing your own industry

    6. Re:Demand is not quite high enough yet it seems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try looking at both when and where they graduated from college. I graduated in 1988, but we did plenty of assembler and even did a course in microcoding. But that was in the midwest, where we were usually behind the times when it came to the coast-dominated trends of no longer teaching important things.

  5. Bay area problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm assuming this is yet another Bay area problem, where once against the mistake is being made in thinking that the Bay area = whole world.

    We got taken over by a major US company earlier this year that's known in probably just about every US household and has a lot of data. Within 3 weeks of take over they made a bunch of redundancy and scrapped a bunch of projects. Fortunately I wasn't made redundant but they scrapped our market leading product that was built on the back of effective data science instead deciding to roll out their shitty product that was at least 5 - 10 years behind (because the US is backwards when it comes to financial services). They moved all of us with data science experience onto other non-data science general development work, so we all fucked off elsewhere to other companies. We're not doing data science anymore because no one wants it, and besides, there's no pay premium for it precisely because no one understands it yet outside of a handful of areas (i.e. SF bay area).

    As such, American companies clearly aren't that desperate for data scientists if they're willing scrap not just wildly successful products built off the back of data science in favour of ineffective dumb legacy products, but also those with data science experience as well.

    I agree with the premise that data scientists are important, they most definitely have the ability to take a company from being an "also-ran" to being market leader in no time at all, but I disagree that there can be any kind of meaningful global shortage for the simple fact that the vast majority of the world doesn't understand the benefits yet to even be looking or to understand why they'd want to hire them.

    I'd love to do more data science work precisely because the two companies I've worked for that have let me put my skills to use have ended up gaining an absolutely colossal advantage over the competition, but opportunities for data science are few and far between outside the Bay area in pretty much the entire rest of the world.

    1. Re:Bay area problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. We need to create Dumbass Scientists, to analyze the fuckery provided by MBAs.

    2. Re: Bay area problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s just not invented here syndrome. Large companies are driven by politics, the eternal struggle for resources and the appearance of success. Canâ(TM)t have a successful rivial product, so easier to kill it off and drive out the team that made it, so someone else canâ(TM)t revuild it,

    3. Re: Bay area problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your company got taken over earlier this year. And you speak of events that occured 3 weeks after that. You realize that this is January, and assuming you got taken over on January 1st, 3 weeks is like literally today.

      Crunch on that data.

  6. DC region appears skewed downward by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    The biggest culprit I can think of is that most government contractors are big on direct recruiting. For example, you often hear employees bring someone they know or a recruiter gets a resume and a manager will say "cool, we'll open a req." Then the req gets quickly filled and disappears.

    1. Re:DC region appears skewed downward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The private sector tends to pay a lot better than working as a government contractor unless you get with a really lean company that essentially pimps you out as a consultant (skimming just a bit off the top for themselves), or work as an independent contractor and charge the full rate for yourself (as a contractor for a typical company, the government is charged 2 to 3 times your salary).

  7. Really statistician programmers by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    True, it really means "people who know statistics".

    But more than that, it also means people who know statistics but also how to work with numerical computations that deal with statistics.. stat understanding alone is far from the whole story.

    I would say it's probably more like a very specialized programming knowledge, than a statistician. And that is why supply is short, because the supply of people who know something like R well is smaller than people who have a good understanding of statistics... it also explains why a shortage remains, because as we all know programming is kind of hard and not something you can easily train anyone into to do well at.

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    1. Re:Really statistician programmers by doom · · Score: 1

      True, it really means "people who know statistics".

      I thought it just meant "marketing".

      Of course, you've gotta respect the sales skills of a bunch of marketing wizards rebranding themselves as "data scientists".

    2. Re:Really statistician programmers by jma05 · · Score: 1

      > supply of people who know something like R well is smaller than people who have a good understanding of statistics

      Learning R is trivial. There are no difficult concepts at all. It is just a matter of getting used to it.
      Learning to think statistically isn't. Not everyone is even built for probabilistic thinking.

      Mathematical skills are always at a premium over coding skills.

    3. Re: Really statistician programmers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try finding a licensed actuary, then tell me how rare that skill is.

  8. A hopeful sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Companies are accumulating massive amounts of data but don't have anyone to tell them what it means. Maybe this will one day result in someone asking why they accumulate the data in the first place.

    1. Re:A hopeful sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need the massive amounts of data so that they can have people produce pie charts from the data to be shown via slideshows during meetings. Then the execs can nod thoughtfully without understanding a thing, and based on the charts do whatever the fuck they were going to do anyway.

      Bonus if the pie charts are also available on a "dashboard" so the exec can bring it up on their computer, so as to have a window to hide the porn behind.

  9. Last week they wanted blockchain engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What will the next flavor of the month be.

  10. Meh. Fake News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have Math and CS grad degrees, some emphasis in AI, years of experience with SVMs, gradient descent opt, etc. Plus, I can actually code. No bites in the job market. I call bullshit.

    1. Re: Meh. Fake News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You also need 15 years experience working in a data scientist position, silly.

  11. Great news for Hindu-chimps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For Americans, not so much.

    1. Re: Great news for Hindu-chimps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exterminate them

    2. Re: Great news for Hindu-chimps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking stinkdus!!!

  12. WTH is a data scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they science the shit out of data?

  13. hey companies: Build your own! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have zero sympathy for these companies, who probably have no problem sending executives to management training retreats, support getting university degrees, and the like. They seem to not understand they could do the same for existing employees with suitable internal IT, Engineering, Math, people who are interested, have a "knack", and build their own data analysis function. Do this the right way, and you could grow a revenue-generating department that can sell their expertise to other businesses, not to mention have a company attracts good people as job candidates for that skill, and others.

  14. Baiting the job market into oversaturation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The goal of this sort of corporate funded news-ad is to goad people into entering the field to drive down employee leverage. A field is "creating more jobs than employees" precisely until the market is so overcrowded salaries plummet. It's probably a good time to avoid Data Science if this sort of news-ad is running.

  15. If the lack of morals was the main requirement by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the job would pay minimum wage. Maybe less (they could "Uberify" it).

    Being a Data Scientist means math. Lots and lots of math. Really hard math like the kind very few people can do. Now, if you fully supported students you'd probably have plenty of them. But that means taxes for the wealthy, and we can't have that. After all, a 70% marginal tax rate means a guy making $10/hr only keeps $3 a day, right? So we'll import H1-Bs. Lots of them, and you'll pay out of pocket for your kid's college or go into debt like crazy. Because we're all about pulling the ladder up behind us ...

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