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Should Lawmakers Be Able To Hold Hearings, Debate and Vote On Legislation Virtually From Their District Offices? (thehill.com)

Applehu Akbar shares an old report raising a very good question for today's Congress: why not use today's videoconferencing tech to allow representatives to perform most Congressional activity from their home districts?" The ability to "work from home" would be especially beneficial during a government shutdown, like the one we're currently in, where money is tight and Congressional members are "sick and tired of Washington and don't want to show up anymore to vote." Slashdot reader Applehu Akbar writes: Because Congress people serve short terms and campaign largely on constituent service, they have to spend a large percentage of their time shuttling between home and Washington. Virtualizing most of their Washington presence would save fuel and energy while giving them more time with their constituents. In addition, there could be a long-term societal benefit in making Congress less vulnerable to lobbyist influence by keeping them out of the Beltway. Pearce told The Hill in a statement back in 2013: "Thanks to modern technology, members of Congress can debate, vote, and carry out their constitutional duties without having to leave the accountability and personal contact of their congressional districts. Keeping legislators closer to the people we represent would pull back Washington's curtain and allow constituents to see and feel, first-hand, their government at work. Corporations and government agencies use remote work technology; it's time that Congress does the same."

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  1. Um you missed something by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the "think tanks" and lobbyists are in D.C. That is where the money is. Why would a politician be outside of the city of the people they serve? That doesn't make any sense.

    1. Re:Um you missed something by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is more appropriate for the servants to come to their masters.

    2. Re:Um you missed something by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      The Washington Press corps aren't a watchdog. They go to the same parties as the politicians.

      After last week's eruption of fake news, it's more like the 'Washington press corpse'. The public will trust news about their Congresscritters more when they're at home and being reported on by the County Catbox-Advertiser.

    3. Re:Um you missed something by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Hey, why not save money and run the courts the same way. The jury works from home, where a government agent makes sure they are 'er' safe. Your lawyer also you never see them, save money just text it in. The judge, why bother, you are already guilty, the trial a mere formality, your were born poor 'er' guilty, get used to it.

      Why make you politicians appear in your houses of government and be publicly seen to be free of coercion and in a 'PUBLICLY' controlled safe environment, in front of the public, and publicly debating and voting. Nahh, fuck that, we are morons, let them do it all behind closed doors with a camera, teleprompters, lobbyist advisor, bag men, all in attendance, and public not allowed anywhere near them, keep them looking good and sounding smart, and fuck the morons that vote for them.

      OHHH MY seriously how can you seppos be so fucking gullible, I mean seriously, let them run your government as an entirely faked day time soap operas displayed to your from you idiots boxes, just sit their and consume fake democracy you morons, seriously what the fuck. Why can't you see through this silly shit, it is entirely corrupt and meant to deny everything that democracy is meant to be.

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  2. The floor debate is BS by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of the work is hearing testimony from the agencies they oversee which is done in sub-committee and committee. Then there is confirmation for thousands of federal executive employees which is also committee work.

    And most of the work of drafting laws is done by their staffs and testimony from stakeholders to their relevant committees and sub-committees along with several congressional committees meeting to iron out language differences

    The actual floor debate you fall asleep to on C-SPAN is BS and a tiny part of the process

    1. Re:The floor debate is BS by Pollux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The actual floor debate you fall asleep to on C-SPAN is BS and a tiny part of the process

      I disagree. The floor debate you fall asleep to on C-SPAN has nothing to do with the process. It's senators grandstanding to a camera, nothing more. To quote this New Yorker article...

      In general, when senators give speeches on the floor, their colleagues aren’t around, and the two or three who might be present aren’t listening...The only people who pay attention to a speech are the Senate stenographers...The Senate chamber is an intimate room where men and women go to talk to themselves for the record.

      Deals get cut in offices, legislation gets filtered by committee, votes get gathered by the whips, and nothing gets to the floor for a vote without party leader approval. Generally, the only time senators gather in the chamber is to conduct the vote. Once it's done, they vacate.

      Personally, I think this process is one reason why government is so divided today. Our congressional leaders don't work together in the very chamber where they should be conducting business. There's no rapport, no discussion, no construction of trust necessary to build consensus. Since the vote is the only time -left- where they are required to gather together, I'd hate to see voting by proxy be allowed, further distancing one another apart from the process.

    2. Re:The floor debate is BS by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Our congressional leaders don't work together in the very chamber where they should be conducting business.

      Face it, the job is too big for 435 people. If you were to split the Federal budget into Representative-sized chunks (435 of them), they'd each have to figure out how to spend $30,000,000 PER DAY.

      If you really want the government to be more responsive, more of it needs to be devolved to lower levels, so the number of controlling entities is in the hundreds of thousands, not hundreds....

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    3. Re:The floor debate is BS by Mandrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I agree that debate chambers are boondoggles, made obsolete by technology, I'm all for shutting them down. If you want politicians to interact, have them attend a mess hall for lunch, where seating randomly changes each month. And if you want accountability, broadcast meetings held in offices, where the real decisions are made.

  3. And the next Russian scandal by HangingChad · · Score: 2

    The next scandal would be the Russians or Chinese hacking a close vote.

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  4. Don't stop there by Orgasmatron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While we are at it, we should return (federal) Congressional districts back to their original size - about 30,000 citizens per Representative.

    Yes, that is about 10,000 members. Impossible to do now while they all have to meet physically in a single room in DC, but trivial when their office is in the district they purport to represent.

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    1. Re:Don't stop there by mentil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is 30,000 really the 'magic number'? Has any research been done on if citizen representation is improved by having 1 rep per 30,000 versus 1 rep for 300,000? Could district area/dimensions be more important than the population it contains? The real "while we're at it" should be nonpartisan redistricting, to slay the Gerrymander (which will probably require a Constitutional amendment).

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    2. Re:Don't stop there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be good because less reason to be corrupt.
      Now they go in, don't give a fuck how corrupt they are, and collect their money.
      With 10,000 how many do you need to bribe, without it getting out that you are bribing lawmakers to get your bill passed?
      We would end up with people wanting to do the right thing because going in to be corrupt wouldn't be worth it.

    3. Re:Don't stop there by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Is 30,000 really the 'magic number'? Has any research been done on if citizen representation is improved by having 1 rep per 30,000 versus 1 rep for 300,000? Could district area/dimensions be more important than the population it contains? The real "while we're at it" should be nonpartisan redistricting, to slay the Gerrymander (which will probably require a Constitutional amendment).

      Well, 1 per 30,000 means around 10,000 representatives. Imagine you're trying to buy out a law - you need to convince 5001 of them to swing your way. It's certainly going to be more expensive to do so - a million bucks only ends up being around $100 each. At that rate, the citizens of the district can easily buy them out. Even at $10M, that's $1000 each, still hard to buy people out.

      At 1 per 300,000, that's 1000 representatives, not much different from what we have now, and still too easy to buy them out.

      Maybe 1 per 30,000 people isn't enough, but the numbers are such that it seems buying out laws has gone from mere millions to a billion dollar activity.

    4. Re:Don't stop there by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      An interesting idea but that's not how bribery of representatives works. Even today they don't bribe them all, they bribe the influential ones. And by influential I mean the ones that are having their arses kissed the most by more junior reps looking for favours - support, jobs, inclusion on committees, even just introductions to big donors and grooming for future roles.

      Having 10,000 representatives would certainly change that dynamic but I imagine they would just clump together into groups and you would be back to square one in short order. Just look at local politics.

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  5. could, yes, should, no by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People are 10 foot tall and bullet proof behind virtual presence, look in the comments for examples. People are much less confrontational and passive aggressive face to face.

    1. Re: could, yes, should, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shut your face you liar! I'd kill you barehanded, not even needing to use my dual welded uzis as powerslide across your face in my Lamborghini as my hot girlfriend instagrams me being so cool and manly, many people are saying!

  6. This is the GOP's goal. by shess · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of Newt Gingrich's core strategies for creating a Congress which couldn't work together was to discourage GOP members from fraternizing with the opposition. The idea was that they should spend more time in their home district, not have formal Washington residences, and DEFINITELY not spend any social time with Democrats. This prevents cases where friendships across the aisle develop based on mutual respect - you maybe disagree with someone, but you don't believe them to be a bad person. These days, politicians start from a position that their opponents are simply evil, and thus need not spend any effort trying to understand their opponents' positions.

    Distributed working groups can work REALLY well if everyone involved works very hard to interact and keep on the same page as each other. But in my experience this is really hard, and it generally only works if you use this ability as a selection criteria. If you just select a dozen people based on criteria other than their ability to work together remotely, generally things end up a trainwreck, even if everyone in the group is generally awesome. [My experience is based mostly on software-engineering, which is likely far easier to do in a distributed group than politics. The entire POINT of politics is group discussions to figure out the solution, which is exactly the type of thing that works worst with distributed teams.]

  7. Of, For and By... Who? by 3seas · · Score: 2

    No, that is not the corect way to represent the people. This is see/read/do/share http://3seas.org/ a work order for government to act in accord to what the founders of the US extablished and intended. Of, for and by.... THE PEOPLE!

  8. This opens them up to direct lobbying by Arzaboa · · Score: 2

    On the face of it, this seems reasonable. Unfortunately, people will be as distracted as you let them be.

    This type of remote attendance creates a scenario where you will have the lawmaker on screen, and 10 lobbyists sitting on the other side of the camera, holding the lawmakers feet to the fire. It is not hard to imagine a Pfizer representative handing the lawmaker ready made answers as well as votes in real time as they vote for the next drug funding bill. These are not fair and transparent votes

    Until lobbying is illegal, it will always be there. You can not move a lawmaker far enough away from a lobbyist. Lawmakers and lobbyists co-exist in the current system.

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  9. Re:So long as it's 100% secure comms, why not? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    please provide an example of a "100% secure comms" in current production.

    Secure voting is easy. Anonymous voting is also easy.

    It is doing BOTH that is hard.

    Security for congressional floor votes is easy because their votes are public knowledge.

  10. Re:Mixed feelings by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We already don't need the Senate, and there are already proposals on the table to push a constitutional amendment dissolving the senate.

    Oh, yes, we most certainly do. Although the senate's one-state-two-votes rule is something of an anachronism, the primary purpose for the senate is very much still valid — putting the brakes on a fickle electorate by ensuring that no more than one third of that house can change in a single election cycle.

    BTW, the person asking the original question got it very wrong. The question should not be whether lawmakers should be allowed to hold hearings, debate, and vote on legislation from their districts, but rather whether they should be required to do so.

    The main problem with Washington, as far as I can tell, is that lobbyists and partisan think-tanks have amazing access to legislators, while the people in their districts have almost none. As far as I'm concerned, Congress should meet for one week at the start of each legislative year, for the opening gavel and choosing people for committees to replace folks who are stepping down or who have left Congress entirely. They should meet again for the closing gavel, followed by a holiday party at the end of the year. The rest of the time, they should be required to spend at least 90% of their days in their districts, among the people they represent.

    The current situation is absolute madness, and has been for some time.

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  11. Re:Mixed feelings by sexconker · · Score: 2

    We already don't need the Senate, and there are already proposals on the table to push a constitutional amendment dissolving the senate.

    You never go full retard. You're not going to get many nibbles for this bait. Go back to Trolling 101.

  12. Wrong direction... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    The proposal seems to focus upon attending Congress from their home district. That's the wrong direction. Sitting in the home district office and telecommuting to Congress means that both sides are basically in fixed locations. Wouldn't it be better to be fixed in a location in Congress and be able to telecommute "to" various locations in the home district, seeing many constituents on their home turf?

    1. Re:Wrong direction... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Why would you want to see constituents, unless you are in an election year?

  13. No. No, and No. by pz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The telecommuting fad seems to be fading, which is good. People are finally starting to understand that there are, indeed, benefits to being in the same physical proximity with coworkers. So that's a "no" answer to the original question, since government will presumably work better -- the machinations of government, the behind-the-scenes interactions and negotiations -- when people can bump into each other at lunch, or meet for drinks, etc.

    Then, there's the very deeply steeped idea that the US Federal and State governments should be accessible to all. There should be no barriers. If someone wanted to witness a public debate, then they should be able to do so with an absolute minimum of requirements. Needing any kind of equipment, including internet access, a computer, a screen, a mobile phone, ANYTHING, is a barrier, as there are people who do not have them. So "no" on that count as well, since public debate needs to be witnessed by people with first-hand direct experience, and that's not possible if the debate -- or even only part of the debate -- is available only electronically.

    Finally, when someone has a job to perform, making that job difficult in some way, especially time, means that they are less likely to squander the privilege of holding office. If a representative has to travel 6 hours each way to get to Washington, then I'll bet they will minimize their travel time and make sure they use their time in DC and in their home office, more wisely than if it took no effort to be in DC at all. Think of how important an individual long-distance phone call was, and how well-chosen the words were, when every second carried a cost, as compared to the blather we get now with free long distance. So, "no" for the third time, because when a resource is precious, it gets used more wisely.

    Call me a luddite (you wouldn't be the first), but there are distinct benefits to face-to-face interaction.

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  14. Re:Mixed feelings by mentil · · Score: 2

    I like a modified form of the British Parliament idea: a House of Commons (lay people, like average Joe voter), and a separate House of Lords (only replacing the Nobility with experts in various fields like the sciences, including social sciences.) The former could be filled with people selected for service at random, like jury duty, only they wouldn't be paid a pittance. Representatives should be far more 'representative' if they're chosen at random rather than all being rich to start.

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  15. Which would be fine if she lived in DC by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    she doesn't. She lives in her district, Queens NY. Try maintaining _two_ households with two sets of bills sometime. I did it for a time while waiting to move family up to where I was after taking a new job and it hurt.

    They system is rigged against poor and working class in a million little ways. This is one of them.

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  16. Re:Wrong- slashdot shills unaccountable gov by Immerman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To-may-to, to-mah-to

    And nobody cares, because there hasn't been a believable opportunity for change - both parties had fallen under the economic sway of many of the same people, the game was rigged, and everybody got used to just complaining about it.

    But now our political parties are both seeing major upsets and instabilities forming in their power base. New and unexpected players are suddenly finding themselves in prominent positions on the national stage. Former political dropouts are starting to wake up to the fact that they're in the majority now, and can in fact make a difference.

    Now, is that a momentary aberration? Or a beginning of a turning of the tide? Time will tell, but I'm hoping for the tide.

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  17. Re:Mixed feelings by danbert8 · · Score: 2

    Direct election of senators was a horrible idea. It made the senate not a voice of the states, but a shitty house of representatives with a horrible representation of the population. The senate needs to go back to being accountable to the states and not the people.

    The people are really a shitty way to run the government because the people are largely stupid, easily manipulated, and unwilling to fix the real problems of government.

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