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Julian Assange Launches Legal Challenge Against Trump Administration (theguardian.com)

SonicSpike shares a report from The Guardian: Julian Assange, the fugitive WikiLeaks founder whose diplomatic sanctuary in the Ecuadorian embassy appears increasingly precarious, is launching a legal challenge against the Trump administration. Lawyers for the Australian activist have filed an urgent application to the Washington-based Inter-American Commission of Human Rights (IACHR) aimed at forcing the hand of U.S. prosecutors, requiring them to "unseal" any secret charges against him. The legal move is an attempt to prevent Assange's extradition to the U.S. at a time that a new Ecuadorian government has been making his stay in the central London apartment increasingly inhospitable.

The 1,172-page submission by Assange's lawyers calls on the U.S. to unseal any secret charges against him and urges Ecuador to cease its "espionage activities" against him. Baltasar Garzon, the prominent Spanish judge who has pursued dictators, terrorists and drug barons, is the international coordinator of Assange's legal team. He has said the case involves "the right to access and impart information freely" that has been put in "jeopardy." The Trump administration is refusing to reveal details of charges against Assange despite the fact that sources in the U.S. Department of Justice have confirmed to the media that they exist under seal. The application alleges that U.S. prosecutors have begun approaching people in the U.S., Germany and Iceland and pressed them to testify against Assange in return for immunity from prosecution. Those approached, it is said, include people associated with WikiLeaks' joint publications with other media about U.S. diplomacy, Guantanamo Bay and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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  1. Don't worry, Julian by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone on Slashdot has assured me repeatedly over the years that neither the UK nor Sweden has any intention of ever extraditing him to the U.S.

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    1. Re:Don't worry, Julian by geekpowa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was before interfering with US election process was on the table. Maybe if Assange stuck with the original remit of providing a whistleblower safehaven instead of whatever the fuck he has been doing lately with Roger Stone et al, and limited himself to consensual sexual activity, he wouldn't be in self-imposed prison for 6+ years.

    2. Re:Don't worry, Julian by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, right. What this is really all about, the US government wants to declare it globally illegal to report the criminal activities of the US government in the rest of the world. So you as citizen witness the criminal activity of a foriegn power, the US government, in your country or in an country where you are at the time, if you report the crime to the authorities of that country, the US want to charge you with the crime of espionage, seriously. You see a CIA agent kill someone, report it and the US government wants to prosecute you and probably kill you in detention, you committed a crime against the US state by reporting the crimes of the US state, when they are the foreign power. A real shite stain, on freedom, democracy and justice, full blow fascism and a populace too cowardly to put a stop to it, even when they are publicly attacked, imagine men allowing the government to fondle their genitals in front of those, well, women's children, they ain't men no more, when they allow that to happen, an emasculated populace, sheeple, trained to be sheared.

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    3. Re:Don't worry, Julian by geekpowa · · Score: 2

      Da Comrade!!!

      Hopefully these allegations will one day reach a court and your comrades can confront their accusers, state their defence, and then we'll see how it all plays out.

      Who else is afraid of facing their accusers? People hiding in embassies....

    4. Re:Don't worry, Julian by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The CIA was looking to character assassinate him by any means necessary. First they sent in a CIA plant (Daniel Domscheit-Berg) to undermine Wikileaks from the inside and to advance to the narrative that Assange was just a selfish narcissist. And then they set up a blatantly obvious honeypot operation in Sweden to implicate him as a rapist too. It's the same shit they pulled on Dominique Strauss-Kahn when he was foolish enough to challenge the supremacy of the U.S. dollar (and that they've pulled on many others too).

      Now is the part where you call me a conspiracy theorist, just like all the people who have been called nuts for daring to suggest that this whole Sweden/UK fiasco was just theatre to to get Assange extradited to the U.S. all along. But it's not really a conspiracy theory when they're really out to get you, is it?

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    5. Re:Don't worry, Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, who is afraid of facing a kangaroo court with a predetermined sentence and why...

    6. Re:Don't worry, Julian by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      If you mess with a countries governing institutions and get caught expect consequences.

      Yeah, kind of like the Iranian Revolution in 1979, huh? Consequences.

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    7. Re:Don't worry, Julian by terrycarlino · · Score: 2

      International law is a fiction that strong countries impose on weak countries.

      It is passed by no legislature, enforced by no one with law enforcement authority. Like sovereignty it only exists because there is someone with the ability to enforce it and the will to do so. At best it is an agreement, subject to abrogation when inconvenient enough, between the strong to protect the weak as long as their interests are do not threaten the interest of the strong.

      It is mostly a modern invention and flows from the formation of the nation state and mutual self interest. It is subject to change at any time the strong players decide to change it.

      Not saying I like it, but there are many things about reality I'm not overjoyed with.

    8. Re:Don't worry, Julian by 1ucius · · Score: 2

      That sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory

      The truth here is much simpler. Assange is playing to the Ecuador government (and, I suppose, international opinion) by arguing 'you should let me stay because the evil Trump administrations will treat me unfairly...."

      It's a silly argument factually - sealed indictments are a common thing - but he has to play the hand he holds.

    9. Re:Don't worry, Julian by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      Also in the UK. Assange tried to get the European Arrest Warrant voided in the UK courts but the UK courts ruled that what Assange was alleged to have done would constitute rape under UK law and therefore the EAW should stand. At that point Assange legged it into the Ecuador embassy.

      Had he been concerned about extradition to the USA, he would not have come to the UK at all or would have gone to the Ecuador embassy as soon as he got here instead of waiting until it became inevitable that he would have to go back to Sweden to answer charges of rape.

      The man is a rapist. Stop defending him.

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    10. Re:Don't worry, Julian by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      The USA still doesn't have any intention of building a wall on the Mexican border, only the twat in the Whitehouse.

      Anyway extradition doesn't work the way the GP seems to think. Neither the UK nor Sweden has any intention of extraditing Assange to the USA but that is because the USA hasn't requested extradition. However, if the USA asked the UK to extradite him, they almost certainly would, which makes me wonder why he came here in the first place, unless it was to avoid a rape trial.

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  2. Poor Julian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He probably thought that by helping Donald Trump win with well timed leaks, he'd be able to avoid US prosecution. Julian didn't realize Trump doesn't repay favors (or debts.)

    1. Re:Poor Julian by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

      Julian didn't realize Trump doesn't repay favors (or debts.)

      This would first require Trump to believe he needed any help winning in the first place. The man is too narcissistic to believe he ever did anything in his life besides pull himself up by his own bootstraps.

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    2. Re:Poor Julian by quenda · · Score: 2

      Simpler explanation: he disliked Trump, but really hated Hilary. (As it turns out, that applied to a lot of the US voters too.)
      He probably never expected Trump to win.

  3. Revenge against Hillary by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That was before interfering with US election process was on the table.

    And before that, Hillary asked her staff for ways to kill him - and was taken serious enough that a couple of aides took it at face value and researched ways to do it.

    So your statement could be expanded as:

    That was before tanking Hillary's election because she threatened to kill him.

    But of course he did that, and now America wants revenge.

    And all of this, originally, over making public the "collateral murder" videos (and a bunch of other stuff). America talks big about whistleblowers, but when it comes right down to it, our government is just as petty and vindictive as any dictatorship.

    1. Re:Revenge against Hillary by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      America talks big about whistleblowers, but when it comes right down to it, our government is just as petty and vindictive as any dictatorship.

      I once heard a lawyer who put it best (and I'm heavily paraphrasing here): "Nobody ever thanks a whistleblower. At best they might have a movie made about them or have someone praise them in an op-ed. But even then, long after all the positive press has stopped, they've still lost their job and been permanently black-balled in their field. And there will always be people who will resent and hate them for what they did. They'll always be looking over their shoulders, looking for work in a world where no one wants to hire them, and probably wishing they had just kept their mouth shut. And that's the best case scenario. Worst case, they end up dead or in prison."

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    2. Re:Revenge against Hillary by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just like those Swedish women.

      The Swedish women asked for only one thing - that he's not prosecuted for rape. The first Swedish prosecutor, who decided the case on the actual merits let him go.

      Then the CIA stepped in, and the wishes of the Swedish women and justice were not a concern anymore.

    3. Re: Revenge against Hillary by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 3, Informative

      So people with XY chromosomes, but have a vagina because of Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are what?

      Maybe you should grow the fuck up and realize not everything falls into neat the fairy tale categories that you learned in your first or second year of school.

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    4. Re: Revenge against Hillary by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      That's exactly what it is you fucktwat. There is no design diagrams for the human body to spec out 20/20 as the "correct" vision for all "properly assembled" human beings.

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    5. Re: Revenge against Hillary by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      The suicide rate for post operation trans is off the charts. If being the other faux-gender was what they really needed and would fix all their problems why do they suicide at such a high rate?

      Two reasons:
      1) Mental issues like depression, that result from gender dysphoria. Those are not magically fixed by having the surgery.
      2) The stress of living in society, post-op. It is hard, because it is hard for other people to understand why you would undergo gender reassignment surgery. Even people who know and love you can have a hard time dealing with it all. As a result, you'll be reminded every day that you aren't really who you wanted and tried to be. Not everyone will take something like that in stride.

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    6. Re:Revenge against Hillary by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      It really doesn't matter if the women wanted him prosecuted for rape or not. The Swedish law enforcement authorities wanted him prosecuted for rape and instead of facing the charges, Assange ran away. The obvious explanation for this is that he believes he is a rapist under Swedish law.

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  4. ungrateful Ahole by gravewax · · Score: 2

    fuck if I was Ecuador I would throw his ungrateful arse out the door and lock the gate behind him.

  5. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Informative

    How many of the suspects locked in Guantanamo Bay have even been charged? Keeping suspects in jail till they die of old age isn't legal in the USA. The US government has proved they are willing (and able) to lock people up without trial and throw away the key. Also notice they intend to try them under military law, even though they claim none of them are soldiers, and they claim juristiction over crimes committed in foreign countries.

  6. Re:So much anti-Trump propaganda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If ZeroHedge says the sky is blue, it is almost certainly some other colour.

  7. Re:Think he can kick Ecuador out of their embassy? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

    According to various google searches there are 40 left. A non-zero number of those cannot be sent home because their government would kill them, Congress/Trump won't let them come to the mainland, and nobody else will take them. Many of the rest have actually been convicted.

    As for the rest, you do realize that if you're shooting at us, and you're not covered by military law, we can actually execute you with no legal proceedings whatsoever? And that if they'd never shot at various Westerners it would be likely that some European Social Democratic government would take them in?

  8. That's the definition of whistle-blowing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The covert passing of non-public information about misdeeds (whether legal or illegal, unethical, or just plain embarrassing) to a publishing party for widespread dissemination is exactly what WikiLeaks was founded for, the support of whistle-blowing. It plays a very important part in preserving freedom and democracy, as without it unethical governments descend into tyranny behind closed doors.

    The fact that you don't like this just shows the intolerance that you have for freedom and ethics in government. Snowden demonstrated the importance of whistle-blowing, to immense world-wide acclaim. He legitimized it in the public eye, so trying to paint the role of WikiLeaks as something different to whistle-blowing is attempting to sweep back the tide. It's too late for that, the horse has found freedom and the barn door is wide open.

  9. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by johnsie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're missing the bigger picture. The Russians are not left or right. Their goal is instability in the US. That means making partisan differences worse. Getting the people to vote for governments that cannot function. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. In that respect they will 'support' any side if they know they can use it to stir up trouble. They want Americans to turn on each other.

  10. Gender vs sex by aepervius · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nature is a bitch. *normal* people are either of two sex : female or male. There is none other. And you cannot change. You can try to surgically "make it look" like you are the other , but this is a make believe, and from what I can see reported, not quite there technologically for a perfect, or even good make believe. That is the unfortunate plain truth for those seeking to switch sex. The other unfortunate truth is that most people do not view intersex as valid dating partner. e.g. if you are male, switch to female, you will msotly not be viewed as female as plain as truth. Most people will be willing to view you as woman , for social purpose, but most would feel attacked in their intimacy if they found out they were cheated on what they expect as sex of their partner (both male and female - male are just more likely to resort to violence). ALl the condition people pretend to bring up as non binary sex are screw up no normal condition. I don't count losing a leg and being one legged as being unipedial new species or unipedial new "Genre" of locomotion. Do you ? Zwitter and other condition are not a third sex, they are malformation. CAIS is OTOH much different. When the Y is deactivated or cells do not respond to testosterone due to receptor being too mutated, the embryo only "sees" the X and thus take the default route of growing a female body. But as meiosis does not work that well for ovaries for a X and Y the ovaries are not only inactive but also in risk of cancer (thus we remove them). But the bottom line is that the thus created female are non differentiable from other female they are basically of the female sex and there is no "photo finish" on that : they are not intersex.

    Gender OTOH is much more fluid and not-so-binary, and gender dysphoria is quite well recognized. It is just that for most people they want to date a female woman or a male man.


    TLR;DR : CAIS are female because the embryo does not see the Y , they are as female as a Xx (broken x), there is only 2 sex in homo sapiens specie but a variety of malformation, gender is fluid but the majority people want to date people with the same sex as their gender.

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    1. Re:Gender vs sex by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      *normal* people are either of two sex

      Around 1.8% of people are born with some intersex characteristics. It's more common than red hair. By your standard people with red hair are abnormal.

      the unfortunate plain truth

      Is that there is no biological standard for male and female in humans. The International Olympic Committee has been trying to come up with one for a century, and has basically given up. Genitalia, chromosomes, hormones, all kinds of stuff. Wikipedia has an article about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      In the end they just decided to categorize people by their testosterone levels because testosterone is what affects performance. Not by sex, even though they call it men's and women's. It's more like performance categories in motor racing.

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    2. Re:Gender vs sex by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Around 1.8% of people are born with some intersex characteristics. It's more common than red hair. By your standard people with red hair are abnormal.

      People with red hair are abnormal by definition. The problem comes when we assign negativity to abnormality, which every person who clamors against the correct use of the word "abnormal" (including yourself) is contributing to, simply by acting as if the word should have a stigma.

      the unfortunate plain truth

      Is that there is no biological standard for male and female in humans.

      You can look at what is most common, and say that anything outside this is abnormal, without considering it a problem to be corrected. The idea that everyone should be normal is toxic.

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  11. Re:play with the big boys... by ph1ll · · Score: 3, Informative

    "That he actively colluded with Russia to screw with US election [has] been pretty well documented."

    Has it? Where?

    I mean there are lots of people expressing their opinion or those of "anonymous sources". But that's not the same thing as being well documented.

    Nowhere near.

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  12. Re:Zerohedge = Daniel Ivandjiiski by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are many, many problems with Zerohedge, but the fact that they are Bulgarian isn't one of them.

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  13. Legal Challange against Trump? by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    Get in line, Julian.

  14. Re:How things change by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When he was leaking things that made Bush look bad you loved Julian Assange so hard that Benedict Cumberbatch played him in the movie.

    And when he was leaking things that made Bush look bad the right wing hated Julian Assange so hard they had smoke coming out of their collective ears, now they love him because he fixed an election for Trump. People love and hate things based on whether these thing further or hinder their cause which shouldn't surprise anybody.

  15. Losing it by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 2

    The poor guy, six years holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, is probably losing it. In the last couple of years he's been creating enemies for himself needlessly, and this is certainly not going to endear him to Uncle Sam.

  16. Irony Irony Irony by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2
    "The 1,172-page submission by Assange's lawyers calls on the U.S. to unseal any secret charges against him and urges Ecuador to cease its "espionage activities" against him."

    Seriously, a boi that lives on collecting and publishing secret data and is the embodiment of espionage, suing for both of these things is simply delicious.

    Sorry, boi, you lived by espionage - you of all people should cherish Equador's activity. I'm looking forward to your uncovered activities to be published - something you should approve of, amirite?

    Meanwhile enjoy life in the embassy building.

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  17. Re:Wikileaks are a russian front by terrycarlino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No you're missing the big picture.

    You're operating on some kind of flawed vision of U.S. politics where partisanship did not exist in the past. The U.S. is no more divided now than it has ever been.

    If your view of U.S. history goes no deeper than the highly filtered version taught in the public school system, then you are operating on flawed data. There was a time that things were so contentious in Congress that Preston Smith Brooks of South Carolina beat Charles Sumner of Massachusetts nearly to death on the floor of the senate over a speech he gave. The countries intervention in WWI was controversial, and only draconian and constitutionally illegal activities by the Progressive administration in power at that time prevented greater kickback. It took a direct attack on a U.S. territory to drag the U.S. into WWII, because so many people against the U.S becoming involved. There were literal riots in the streets over policy as short a time as fifty years ago. Twenty years ago a highly partisan congress impeached the president over what was effectively an extramarital affair between consenting adults, no matter how it might have been colored as something else.

    The intention of the founding fathers was that the federal government be mostly dysfunctional. It was to only be highly functional in the areas of national defense and international treaty, and both those functions were intended to require cooperation between two of the three branches, with on eye to limited U.S. involvement in foreign wars and international disputes.

    We actually would have even more partisanship if we had more than two political parties, since in most cases no one agrees 100% with either party, even their most partisan supporters.

    Any real democracy, even a republic, will always have partisanship and disagreement. Only in dictator ships do elected leaders get 90% of the vote.

  18. Re:How things change by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go ahead, blame those dirty foreigners. It's sooo easy to throw it off on someone else. It feels magnificent to retroactively, automatically define your values as the most important ones and those of others as inconsequential and selfish. Make no mistake: Trump's presidential win was the fault of the Democratic Party. They chose a demonstrably corrupt, very rich, connected insider candidate over one - Bernie Sanders - shown by polling to have a better edge over all Republican candidates. It was a spectacular failure of the Clinton machine to consider the impoverished, postindustrial Midwest as a given despite decades of policy neglect. Hillary Clinton herself underestimated just how very unlikeable a person she is. Trump wasn't the best candidate but that's just how little people like Clinton and fear her Beltway aura. Leftists melted down across the Internet, exposing their biases and breathtakingly narrow comprehension of the universes inhabited by others.

    By the way, everything Wikileaks has leaked has been true. 100% truthfulness record. Unlike, for example, the US mainstream media which deliberately vilified a bunch of schoolkids, violating their own "journalist ethics" and accepted standards and practices with glee. Assange just did what he's done his whole life: try to do as much damage to America as possible. Ironically spreading dissent by saying the election was fixed is playing right into Russia's hands. The election was legitimate, the outcome was legitimate. If ye claim otherwise you're literally furthering Putin's cause. At least get paid if you're going to do that...working for free is a sucker's job.

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