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Facebook Deliberately Allowed 'Friendly Fraud' To Avoid Harming Revenue (gizmodo.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: Newly unsealed court documents show that Facebook was aware that underage children routinely used their parents' payment information to spend large sums of money on in-game purchases, and the company chose not to fix the problem. For years, it allowed for what it called "friendly fraud" because it feared implementing protections would harm revenue, according to the documents. In 2016, Facebook settled a class-action lawsuit brought by parents of children who were tricked into unwittingly making purchases with real money while playing free video games hosted on the social media platform. Despite its recognition of the problem, internal discussions show that Facebook decided it would be best to fight refund requests and allow the problem to persist. Documents related to the case were placed under seal because Facebook successfully argued that releasing them to the public could harm its business. Reveal, a publication run by the Center for Investigative Reporting, argued that these documents were in the public interest; last week, a judge granted Reveal's request to release the documents. On Thursday night, 135 pages from the court proceedings were unsealed, though Facebook was allowed to maintain some redactions.

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  1. Facebook Is Like The Oil Companies Of Old by dryriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably even financed by the same investors. No regard for anyone.

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    1. Re:Facebook Is Like The Oil Companies Of Old by infolation · · Score: 2
      Talking of investors, it was interesting the facebook devs used 'boiler room' terminology (whales) to describe the high-spending children:

      Court documents obtained by the US-based Center for Investigative Reporting, initially sealed as part of a lawsuit filed in 2012, revealed Facebook staff discussed what to do with the "whales" , as they referred to the high-spending children, before deciding to refuse refunds.

      source

  2. "Friendly Fraud" by WCMI92 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just like Facebook's "privacy" settings. On Facebook privacy is not seen to be in the interest of the collective, Comrade.

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  3. Phone companies by DidgetMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Kind of like how the phone companies will do nothing to stop all the Robocalls, spam calls, and scammers from faking their caller ID. They don't want to hurt the revenue coming from those sources. Who cares about their regular subscribers. At least with Facebook, you are not paying for anything (unless you are stupid enough to give them your credit card info). I log on to Facebook about twice a year. I can't go that long without using my phone.

    1. Re:Phone companies by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup.

      When I was a kid, we took phone calls seriously, and would jump to pick up the phone to be polite to the caller. That (perhaps overzealous) enthusiasm was a valuable social contract.

      4 years ago, I turned off the ringer on my landline. I was getting 20x as many spam calls as real human beings that I know. I was even on the Do Not Call Registry already.

      Now I have a new phone service that came with the fiber, and it filters out most spam, but I still leave my ringer off. I get emailed a note if someone leaves a message -- nothing but spam so far.

      Nobody but a business answers their phone when it is a stranger. We just ignore unless a text comes in first, explaining why we should pick up. But we will eventually read the transcript of the message maybe.

      The phone companies have successfully destroyed a huge amount of goodwill around their product. Gone.

  4. Re:"Friendly Fraud" - Nobody say Drumpf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're trying to pretend FB has a... Communist motive, instead of a blatantly shamelessly robber-baronly Capitalist motive and execution, including selling out our national elections and lying to Congress about it?

    One thing about the Soviet/Chinese Communists... they don't go outside the family like that. They realize they shit where they eat.

  5. When the truth hurts your business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There may be a problem with your business.

  6. Re:Should be fined into oblivion... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Publicly traded companies are required, by law no less, to seek ever greater and greater revenue.

    This is a myth. Public companies have no legal obligation to maximize profits.

  7. Crank privacy laws up to 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Inalienable privacy rights would cause facebook to bleed to death, but better still, nothing like facebook could ever grow back.

    Social media is cancer that should never have been allowed to spread for 15 years.

  8. Karma by jrumney · · Score: 2

    Documents related to the case were placed under seal because Facebook successfully argued that releasing them to the public could harm its business.

    I don't see the issue with Facebook's business being harmed because of the actions revealed in those documents. I'm glad the court eventually saw sense and unsealed them.

  9. Teenage girls have confirmed: Facebook is dying by jrumney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Last week I was sitting next to two teenage girls on a 3 hour flight. During part of their conversation, one was talking to the other about someone else who had messaged her, then got upset when she didn't reply.

    You know, I haven't even opened Facebook in like 3 months

    Actually, now that you mention it, me neither

    Who even uses Facebook anymore, anyway.

    Yeah, I'm like too busy with living my life. It was taking up so much of my time, and for what?

    Life is so much better without it, isn't it.

    This went on for some time, as conversations between teenage girls tend to, and I can't bore you with the rest of the details, as I tuned out myself, but clearly Facebook has lost this target audience.

    1. Re:Teenage girls have confirmed: Facebook is dying by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      I'm really surprised Facebook (and eBay) doesn't have a cloud service offering like the other big tech companies. They should have the hardware experience and infrastructure for it.

      I'm not, would you trust them with your data?

      Google vacuums up data about Internet users but it has a good record on not sharing it with third parties. Their cloud offerings are limited and you know exactly how they could be abused.

      Amazon has little incentive to violate your business's privacy, yes, they use your purchase and Amazon browsing history to make recommendations, but they have never - to the best of my knowledge - strayed out of that zone, so third parties have little reason to believe they'd be abusive.

      Facebook has a record of selling extremely confidential data to the highest bidder, and has shown zero scruples when it comes to privacy. No corporation in their right mind is going to trust them to host anything.

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  10. If a company acts so badly that... by rnturn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... its customers find that, after getting the run-around, their best recourse is to take the company to court for a remedy, perhaps those details ought to be made public and the company deserves to have its business harmed a little. That would, at least, give the rest of us the opportunity to decide whether we want to begin or continue dealing with that company.

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  11. Re:Should be fined into oblivion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Publicly traded companies are required, by law no less, to seek ever greater and greater revenue.

    This is a myth. Public companies have no legal obligation to maximize profits.

    Technically true in the general case. The situation is further complicated by the fact that the phrase "maximize profits" is not well defined.

    However, there are legal obligations that in practice do cause corporate officers to make decisions to advance profits of the corporation at the expense of the public (or even the interests of the corporation, or the corporate workforce).

    Directors and officers of a corporation in many cases must act in the same manner as a reasonably prudent person in their position would. This is called the "duty of care". This DOES create a legal obligation. The details of the obligation depend upon the details of the documents of incorporation.

    Further, it's not just a question of whether or not somebody HAS acted appropriately, it's often a question of whether or not they are perceived as having acted appropriately.

    Failure to be perceived as having acted appropriate with respect to the duty of care is grounds for a lawsuit - and many such lawsuits have occurred over the years.

    Given the abuses of tort law that are routine in US law, and the massive problems with legal ethics, the fear of such lawsuits is one factor that causes corporate officers to make bad decisions in matters where they must choose between short term profits, long term profits, the good of the workforce, the good of the stock-holders, and the good of society.

    Stupidity, short-sightedness, greed and other forms of self-interest on the part of many corporate officers makes a bad situation worse. But even good people can be pushed into making the wrong decision as a result of the threat (or reality) of a lawsuit. This is a fundamental problem that is often not understood by certain political groups (such as many libertarians), leading to serious problems with their political views.

    The lawyers aren't the only unethical ones (though they certainly try to hide how bad the problems are in their profession - your reference is quite misleading in this regard). There are many mutual fund officers and other majority stockholders that are quite unethical, and will try to pressure corporate officers into advancing the short term interests of these special parties at the expense of the public, or at the expense of the long term interests of the corporation (including the interests of the employees). For example, almost every hostile takeover - and the actions that follow - ultimately will come down to multiple (and often massive) failures of ethics.

    Reality and perception can be very different things: actions that are in reality correct can be construed as being inappropriate by interested parties, and often the ability to shape reality is more important in determining the outcome then the facts on the ground. Lies, misinformation, and deception trump reality.

    It's a lot like the situation in government, where special interest groups are always trying to advance themselves at the expense of the public. Often they are extremely successful at this (see The Captured Economy for many examples compiled by economists, including some pithy quotes on ethics problems with the practice of law in the USA).

    The public and the ordinary corporate workforce, of course, ultimately pays a steep price for all the legal shenanigans. The economy as a whole is impacted in a negative way, and the problems lead to job loss, numerous forms of hardship, people being killed by defective products, and even suicides. Ethics problems in law and business can be extremely destructive. Hopefully over time society will become a lot less tolerant of these problems, but I won't hold my breath.