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US Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding Banks (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: U.S. prosecutors filed criminal charges against Huawei, China's largest smartphone maker, alleging it stole trade secrets from an American rival and committed bank fraud by violating sanctions against doing business with Iran. Huawei has been the target of a broad U.S. crackdown, including allegations it sold telecommunications equipment that could be used by the China's Communist Party for spying. The charges filed Monday also mark an escalation of tensions between the world's two largest economies, which are mired in a trade war that has roiled markets. In a 13-count indictment in Brooklyn, New York, the government alleged Huawei, two affiliated companies and its chief financial officer of fraud and conspiracy in connection with deals in Iran. A 10-count indictment in Washington state accused the company of stealing trade secrets from T-Mobile and offering bonuses to employees who succeeded in getting technology from rivals.

T-Mobile sued Huawei and its U.S.-based unit, Huawei Device USA Inc., in 2014, and three years later, a federal jury in Seattle found Huawei liable for both breach of contract and misappropriation of trade secrets. A person familiar with the case, who sought anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak, said T-Mobile's claims regarding the theft of its technology caught the attention of federal authorities in the Western District of Washington. T-Mobile said Huawei sent its engineers to T-Mobile's Bellevue, Washington, facility to see a robot, called "Tappy," which simulates smartphone use. T-Mobile said in its lawsuit that Huawei was able to use stolen parts from the robot to "develop, improve and troubleshoot its own robot."
Separately, Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou was arrested in Canada on allegations that she committed fraud to sidestep sanctions against Iran. "The U.S., which had requested Canadian authorities arrest Meng, must submit a formal extradition request for her by Jan. 30," Bloomberg reports. "Canada's justice minister then has up to 30 days to assess it. If she issues an 'authority to proceed,' that means Canada is officially moving to extradition hearings. If so, they would likely be scheduled months later."

98 comments

  1. SOLUTION IS COMING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Wa!! China has a monopoly on walls NO MORE!

  2. More like WEE WEE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pissssssd

  3. Canada's justice minister? by TurboStar · · Score: 0

    David Lametti is the Minister of Justice in Canada. Is "justice minister" a different role?

  4. More ... winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this more winning?

    1. Re:More ... winning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More winning, more competition, more rule of law, more good business practices, more level playing field, more bootstrapped capitalism, everything for the best!

  5. USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The USA sold equipment to other countries with the express purpose of being able to spy on them.

    If the US goes down this rabbit hole it may find its self being subject to the same enforcement by other countries.

    1. Re: USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1
      Exactly the USA is engaged in the exact behaviour they are accusing China and Huawei. World just got a hell of a lot more dangerous for US citizens particularly tech execs.

    2. Re: USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "World just got a hell of a lot more dangerous for US citizens particularly tech execs"
      Well by all means the US should stop confronting China and just let them do anything they want. And stop harassing China over it's trade policies that revolve around the state subsidizing their exports and manipulating their currency to create a more profitable export operation. Yep the world would be a much better place if people stopped complaining about anything China does. And if the Chinese response is to start arbitrarily arresting foreign executives in their country they should do a head count on how many Chinese executives are in the US at any given time. The US really likes to use sanctions against their enemies but those sanctions only work if there is a penalty levied against anyone violating those sanctions. China has all ready paid billions in fines for violating the sanctions against Iran and if Canada arrested a Chinese executive accused of violating those sanctions once more they can deal with the consequences. For Christ sakes Canada would not have arrested the Chinese executive without being convinced the charges against China are most likely true. Canada would not have arrested a Chinese executive without being shown the evidence. The Canadian court would not have set a multi-million dollar bail condition without seeing some of the evidence that will be used in court. China is currently finding out the vast difference in the amount of leverage the #1 economy has over the #2 economy.

  6. Tappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    T-Mobile said Huawei sent its engineers to T-Mobile's Bellevue, Washington, facility to see a robot, called "Tappy," which simulates smartphone use. T-Mobile said in its lawsuit that Huawei was able to use stolen parts from the robot to "develop, improve and troubleshoot its own robot.

    Sounds ridiculous.

    1. Re:Tappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha I LOL so hard.

    2. Re:Tappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno. Sounds just like:

      • Apple made Lisa OS and Mac OS after seeing Xerox Alto at the Xerox PARC facility.
      • Cisco made its first multi-protocol router after "borrowing" code from Stanford.
        • That's how American companies prosper, right? By stealing intellectual property from others - and maybe licensing properly it later on.

    3. Re: Tappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhhh you are exposing US government hipocrasy.

      Don't mention Israel, illegal invasions, genocide.

    4. Re:Tappy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Apple didn't "steal" anything. Xerox received pre-IPO options in exchange for the PARC tour.

      But don't let "facts" get in the way of your nationalistic rant.

  7. FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Huawei won the race to 5G. Sure they might have had state backing.
    But US companies had all the funds the Fed was shovelling for the last 10 years and they did nothing but sack their R&D, pay C-suite billions in bonuses, and fuck over customers with monopoly rates and shitty service.
    US Capitalism elected to stand still for 10 years and shit themselves after Huawei pulled off a Sputnik-style vertical launch platform with 5G.

    Yeah, NSA is mad, but deep down at the bottom of this is the simple truth that post-crisis US companies are unable to complete AT ALL and now need heavy handed Government proscription of competition to survive. This will extend to Japanese and EU companies as the US lead in technology falls as far behind as the US production base.

    Not that you will ever hear about it in the media.

    1. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Troll

      Thank goodness we have posters from China, land of the stolen IP, that has for years made it's "great strides" by buying, begging, borrowing and outright stealing other countries' tech to set the record straight.

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    2. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US fears China now that it has the advantage in mechanization with automation. Its quality is on track to surpass the best US products within 5 years.

    3. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate ... leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you."

    4. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Stolen, what a crock of shite. It was given away by US corporations who wanted to break the backs of US Unions by purposefully shifting out all jobs, impoverishing US workers and leaving them desperate and willing to accept crumbs. China stole it, fuck off, the US gave it away because they were short term thinking psychopathic cunts and they were warned of this outcome years ago, I should now, I participated in the warnings but short term insane psychopathic thinking, could not see beyond destroying American unions, with corporate executives having all the power to dominate the globe, insane shite from the insane. The outcome well you killed the unions but killed your industry at the same time, big fucking win, you idiotic morons.

      All that is happening now, it that it is making the US, look like insanely corrupt psychopaths for whom the rule of law means nothing and bullshit is everything, they just lie, all of the fucking time, lie, lie, lie, it never stops and the world is just responding back with lip service now, nobody trust the US government at all and especially not Americans. Look at the fucking spectacle you are making of yourselves, only overweening absurd arrogance is hiding the reality from Americans. Still think they are winning, whilst actually losing all over the place.

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    5. Re: FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange idea but ideas are not property. Also there are places US laws do not apply. Like most of the world.

    6. Re: FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +100 Legend

      Reap what you sow. It's all coming home to roost now USA. Centuries of genocidal racist psycho elite. Their final act will most likely be to nuke the planet. Just remember which cunts we're behind it after it happens. Internet and most of civilization will be gone. Cheers cunts. /s

    7. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The charges don't make any sense. The claim that they tried to steal a robot from T-Mobile called "Tappy". T-Mobile didn't build it though, it's an off-the-shelf Epson robot with some basic programming.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      http://web.archive.org/web/201...

      It seems extremely unlikely that Huawei would bother steal something that they could just buy and get an undergrad to program for them. All i does is press some buttons in sequence over and over to see how long they take to fail. Some simple calibration for pressure to simulate a heavy handed user is all you need.

      Huawei didn't steal 5G tech, it invented it. Its patents cover the modulation schemes, the bandwidth allocation and spectrum sharing, the power management that minimizes interference and maximizes battery life. If those things were stolen then they would have been patented elsewhere, or the patents challenged. It's original technology that China developed.

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    8. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by Pimpy · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. Huawei spends a lot on its own R&D and files more patents than many other telecommunication companies, in many different IP jurisdictions. While it is true that they started out this way, the rhetoric fails to apply when there simply isn't anyone left to copy from.

    9. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thank goodness we have posters from China

      Yeah I prefer the Slashdot standard discussion of ad hominem attacks greatly to someone actually addressing the content of posts.

      But I disagree with you that the AC is from China, so you're clearly a shill for the CCEC (Consortium for Claiming Everyone is Chinese.)

    10. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute! Isn't this like karma somehow?
      If you play dirty for long time bad things start happening? Amazing, who knew? :)

    11. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Except that 5G isn't a thing yet. Other than that, your nationalistic screed is right on point, I guess?

      Nobody wants a rehash of the "draft" 802.11n fiasco again, except this time with $1000 smartphones instead of $100 routers.

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    12. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I just read: boo hoo ultra-powerful parasitic unions got beat down for siphoning funds off the back of the working class and not actually delivering any value for said working class, instead self-enriching and becoming politically powerful. Oh, and in some cases, infiltrated / cohorted with organized crime.

      You know the massive unions are basically run as corporations, right? You have big-wig expensive suit wearing fat cats at the top who's job it is to get the right bums elected in the right places so that they can grease the skids for the union? Yes, they need to fight some political battles because of the corporations who donated to get their bums elected to pass "right to work" horseshit legislation, but it's two sides of the same coin.

      Stop acting like you're some voice for the downtrodden. Go take your "plight of the poor blue collar working Union man" horseshit and sell it somewhere else - the national unions like the AFL-CIO, Teamsters, UAW, etc. are fucking parasites on society, the same way megacorporations are.

    13. Re: FAILURE TO COMPETE by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Silver lining: we won't have to read bullshit like your post anymore once the Internet and most of civilization is gone. A price that might be worth paying.

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    14. Re: FAILURE TO COMPETE by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It's true that US laws don't apply outside the US. However if you want to use the US banking system, it's a good idea to play by the rules that the Department of Commerce puts forth, because the US banking system does happen in the US, and those laws apply.

      Is it "fair" ? Nope. Very little of what happens in global politics is "fair." That's how the world works. Feel free to build your own global banking network that has basically all central banks participating in it and show the US who's boss. Nothing stopping you except you.

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    15. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US Capitalism elected to stand still for 10 years and shit themselves after Huawei pulled off a Sputnik-style vertical launch platform with 5G.

      Even though i doubt they "steal" the trade secret, telecom in the U.S. has been filing patents on 5G left and right in the past couple of years (before Verizon won the bid on implementation). So yes, they did put some money in R&D, but the rest of the money, as you said, went to their C-suite because they didn't seem to invest much at all in improving infrastructure.

    16. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this ^

    17. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      In the American way, if they want to attack you, they will dig out clauses from million lines of codes that you may or may not susceptible of violating due to some fine-print deviation and then throw frivolous lawsuits after lawsuits at you while you tarnish in the legal proceedings. Americans are best at lawyering.

    18. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by hackingbear · · Score: 1

      Correction: million lines of legal codes

    19. Re:FAILURE TO COMPETE by sgt_doom · · Score: 2

      I don't necessarily disagree with you, but that does not excuse all the billions of hacks undertaken by China's Ministry of State Security cyber warfare section through their various corporations, etc. Go back and check how many g-workers whose personnel data was swiped in the OPM hack had their bank accounts drained.

    20. Re: FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You bought their lies hook line and sinker.

      Step 1. Get rid of the unions.
      Step 2. Outsource, shit on employees and do whatever we want.

      You think these companies care about you? At least the unions sole job is to make sure you have work and good working conditions.

    21. Re: FAILURE TO COMPETE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, let's hope that when in a decade the tables turn and US has to ask permission, it will lie down and do so peacefully, respecting the other side's rules as it wants today that its own are respected.

      Like they respected the will of the Latin and South Americans.

      Like they respected the will of the Japanese to not trade with them.

      Or the will of the Vietnamese to not be occupied by colonial powers.

      Or the will...

      Yeah, right.

  8. Chicom company by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    Selling stuff to Iran. Bypassing the embargos that Obama lifted that Trump reinstated. Among other crimes.

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    1. Re:Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the embargo against Nuclear weapon developments, lifted when Iran agreed?

    2. Re:Chicom company by Jzanu · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean this ?

      "As part of an international agreement on the Iranian nuclear programme, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) of 14 July 2015, the UNSC adopted unanimously resolution 2231 on 20 July 2015. It stipulates it will change the UN sanctions on Iran as soon as the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) provides a report to the UNSC which conforms that Iran has taken the actions related to its nuclear programme specified in the JCPOA. From the JCPOA Adoption Day, which occurred on 18 october 2015, the provisions related to restrictions on the export from and transfer to Iran of conventional weapons or related goods and services are no longer blanket embargoes.

      Instead the Security Council decides on a case-by-case basis whether to permit the transfer of goods and technology that could contribute to the development of nuclear weapon delivery systems based on the inclusion of appropriate end-user guarantees and Iran committing not to use such items for nuclear weapon delivery systems. This provision will be lifted 8 years after the JCPOA Adoption Day, i.e. on 18 october 2023."

    3. Re:Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Violating the Embargo Under Obama.

    4. Re:Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You do realise that US policy is exactly that US policy.
      There are 195 countries in the world, the USA being just one of them.

      US law, US policy, US anything ends at the US boarder.

    5. Re: Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nono the USA believes it's rules apply every where, hence you see them invading nations at whim. Genocide? Native Americans, Vietnamese, Japanese, South Americans, Africans, Arabs, Palestinians. It's a war against brown people.

    6. Re: Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USA is only allowed to develop nukes. Invading countries with nukes is such a hazard after all.

    7. Re:Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you'd like to use the US banking system, which is inside the US border.

      You can feel free to not use the US banking system, in which case do whatever you would like.

      Oh, didn't think of that, did you?

    8. Re: Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when are Vietnamese and Japanese "brown people" ?

      Also, you know Japan attacked the US, right?

      God damn you are a fucking idiot.

    9. Re: Chicom company by j35ter · · Score: 1

      Virtually all international payments are handled by the SWIFT organization Which is based in the USofA.

      Once the US embargoes a country, SWIFT transfers must stop.

      This is why the EU finally created its own payment system with Iran, ti be able to trade, bypassing SWIFT.

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    10. Re: Chicom company by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 2

      Also, you know Japan attacked the US, right?

      Actually, it is the other way around. The Japanese had this nice, closed, peaceful country, which wanted only one thing, to be left in peace. And then the Americans shot at them and threatened them.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    11. Re: Chicom company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Peaceful my ass. Japan was already at war with China before Pearl Harbor, and China had absolutely nothing to do with the Perry Expedition. Never mind that these things happened nearly 90 years apart.

  9. Cisco equipment with NSA addons by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 5, Informative

    I do recall that the NSA was intercepting Cisco hardware to install backdoors on those systems. https://arstechnica.com/tech-p... Obama was all about change so that is maybe why he didn't make a big deal out of those NSA changes.

    1. Re:Cisco equipment with NSA addons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that (a) it shows that a private company (Cisco) is not in bed with the US government, and (b) it was targeted against a particular entity--it'd be hard to intercept all of the the gear shipped by Cisco (or Arista, or ...).

      I have no theoretical problem with the US or RU or CN (or UK, DE, etc.) trying to do intelligence work against individual targets. The problem with Huawei / CN is the worry that they will do wholesale attacks against everyone because you can't trust the relationships with "private" companies in China.

  10. How one can "steal" IP when under an NDA? by hackingbear · · Score: 3, Informative

    And how can one file criminal charge when the claim cannot pass a civil suit?

    "According to the jury’s verdict, T-Mobile was not awarded any damages relating to the trade secrets claim and there was no award of punitive damages. Although the jury awarded damages under the breach of contract allegation, the amount was a small fraction of what T-Mobile requested. Huawei is a global leader in innovation, and respect for intellectual property is a cornerstone value in our business,” Huawei said in a statement after the verdict in 2017.

    1. Re:How one can "steal" IP when under an NDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How one can "steal" IP when under an NDA

      By breaking the NDA.

      And how can one file criminal charge when the claim cannot pass a civil suit?

      New evidence. You linked to old news.

    2. Re: How one can "steal" IP when under an NDA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me more about this old news? Will it be in the rewind tonight at 11?

  11. "Great minds think alike" (same wavelength) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & @ EXACTLY the same time you & I (timestamps on the posts) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

    (TRUTH/FACT - nothing like it!)

    APK

    P.S.=> A very SAD truth/fact imo... apk

  12. If Huawei stole technology for testing smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... then why does their software still suck so badly? Shouldn't they have found more bugs and fixed them?

  13. hypocrites by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Huawei has been the target of a broad U.S. crackdown, including allegations it sold telecommunications equipment that could be used by the China's Communist Party for spying."

    China stealing IP from the NSA? sounds about right...

    America has completely lost the 'ethical spying' moral high ground a long long time ago. This "scandal" is more likely about some billionaires pissing contest with another billionaire. States seem to only exist these days as a drama modifier in the battle between corporations. Which is really just the battle between rich individual actors and cabals, if you look at who is really in control of those nested corporations.

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    1. Re:hypocrites by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is just part of Trump's trade war with China.

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  14. Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by najajomo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    U.S. prosecutors filed criminal charges against Huawei, China's largest smartphone maker, alleging it stole trade secrets from an American rival and committed bank fraud by violating sanctions against doing business with Iran.”

    The alleged trade secrets being a robot arm called tappy. They could have saved themselves the bother and bought one direct from Epson. The real story being this prosecution being used as a pretext to hinder Chinese firms doing business in the US. This prosecution being pushed by the corporate owners of America. Another sign that there is no one in the driving seat in Washington.

    1. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Watching that video by T-Mobile was downright painful. What a bunch of fucking idiots, I'm sure glad I don't work there.

      You are right, there is nothing novel in what T-mobile has done, except perhaps the very domain-specific automated test assessment software, which if I understand the video it uses an overhead camera to see if the screen is displaying what is expected. I imagine they just train it with a known working good example, and then then in test mode is spits out all the diffs. Hardly revolutionary.

    2. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But certain things still run the US world view as can be seen from how everything rolls around Iran and therefore Israel. Maybe Gandhi could inspire with his salt march some tactics here as the situation has become increasingly analogous.

    3. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What trade secrets? how to make rounded corners? the US doesn't innovate anymore. It's all made and innovated in some Asian country. The only US maker apple just puts the Asian tech into a "pretty" case.

    4. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moreover civil case was already filed where finding guilt merely needs preponderance of evidence. Yet the jury stated no damages from supposedly stealing this awesome tech from tmobile, nor was there malicious behavior involved.

    5. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Just because you have a civil case with settlement does not get you out of criminal charges from the state. T-mobile are not able to vacate criminal charges by settling a civil case, it just does not work like that.

      Now it might be pretty crappy tech to steal. However my guess is that the US are using it because they are 100% certain they can make it stick (Huawei have basically already admitted to it) and the Trump administration want convictions to bolster their cause.

      I am no Trump supported but I would demand from China an immediate end to the 51% locally owned stunt they pull with the option for any American company previously forced into such an arrangement the option to buy themselves out, otherwise the USA will enforce the reciprocal on Chinese companies.

    6. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mandatory local ownership is a legitimate development strategy - China is still a third world nation in terms of GDP per capita. Rich cities still leave farmers struggling to survive. Mandatory 51% Chinese ownership for access to those markets gives the same farmers and their children paths to a better job and quality of life.

    7. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      The real story being this prosecution being used as a pretext to hinder Chinese firms doing business in the US. This prosecution being pushed by the corporate owners of America.

      I agree with your statement. I'm surprised it took this long, to be honest. China forces foreign investment to have a domestic partner. We know the Chinese government has a hand in just about every large Chinese company. That's all fine and dandy, corporations should know the dangers before investing in China. Can't be surprised that now nations are starting to stick it to China as they seek to expand their influence globally.

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    8. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because there's absolutely no mobile device operating systems created in the US. Oh wait, both major platforms are.

      The hardware isn't worth shit, without having software worth a damn to run on it. More than 35 years of PC computing should have at least taught that by now.

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    9. Re:Huawei stole trade secrets from American rival? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cant exactly steal that which is open source. As for the walled garden, who gives a fuck

  15. Canada loses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Canada gets caught in the crossfire of this global pissing match. If we extradite the CFO the US will hand her over to China as part of good will for the trade dispute. China will never forgive us.

    If Canada does not comply with the USâ(TM)s request ( our closest trading partner and friend) then they hammer us on trade.

    So we are f$&ked

    1. Re: Canada loses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I think Canada fcuked itself when they first held Meng allowing this whole mess to build.

    2. Re: Canada loses by green1 · · Score: 2

      But the US asked us to. And for many decades that's all that's been required to get our government to fall all over itself to comply.

      The Canadian people repeatedly tell the government they don't want us to roll over every time the US comes calling, however regardless of which party is in power, they always place US interests above those of our own country. Every single time.

    3. Re: Canada loses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heil emporer Trump

    4. Re: Canada loses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sad thing is, many European countries do exactly the same: whatever the US wants, regardless of their own interests. We really need to stop dancing to the tune of the world's bully.

    5. Re: Canada loses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half points.
      Yes, the US asked us to, and yes, that's all that's required, but the government has nothing to do with this case, and have taken great care to stay out of it.

      For many years we have had an extradition treaty with the US. They make a request, we arrest the person even if they've done nothing here, and then go through a legal process to determine if the person should be deported or released. Ms. Meng is not the first, and I don't expect she'll be the last.

      And it goes both ways. I remember when Canada had Conrad Black deported from the US back here.

  16. CALLING ALL HACKINGBEARS! HACKINGBEAR COME IN PLZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HACKINGBEAR you alone are the bullshit FUD that stands between China being busted for known espionage and fraud, or.. anime becoming real. Keep shilling you beta talent China apologist FAILURE OF PROPAGANDA

  17. Quick Bill, blame Canada! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wheres our usual Chink-appologists to shit on Canada for starting this by honoring a U.S. extradition request. C'mon you Chink cocksuckers.. show yourselves!!

  18. Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ramen, crave it ;)

  19. Re: Cute But Dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US law ends at their border? Tell that to the thousands of children killed by U.S. drones last year.. lol!

  20. Re: Tiananmen Square Tank Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poohbeat regrets your shameful ckck us so tiny. Go fuckin kill yourself mainlander.

  21. Shut-up retarded bitch APK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shut-up retarded bitch Alexander Peter Kowalski, you are just a loser who is too dumb to realize you got stomped long ago.
    Here is a chronicle of your bitch ass getting beaten on your port filtering statements.
    Here is another one where your got beaten hard because you can't back up anything you say. This was about how you claim your shitware can block all hosts in a domain, which it can't.
    Then there is your claim that the Chinese copied you but you admit that at best all you have is wild ass speculation and can't offer any real proof or even actual evidence to support yourself.
    How about the list of experts you claim support your statements, none of which actually support your work and have been shown to actually be saying things different from what you stated they were.
    Maybe instead you can tell us about your "success" where a project rejected your stupid simplistic idea or maybe threaten to sue someone again because you are a insecure little man who is washed up and never amounted to anything.
    Better yet you can prove how defective you are by continuing to repeat your debunked BS some more.
    Why don't you get your pretend friend to post some fake support and then throw a fit when you get caught.

  22. Oh no! Like Apple???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just come up with competition and shut up.

  23. A different trade war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This isn't about T-Mobile's Tappy robot any more than Japan's arrest of Carlos Ghosn is about "financial improprieties".

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/12/carlos-ghosn-re-arrested-on-new-allegation/

    These actions are about nations dictating terms to large international businesses. Nations are firing warning shots across the bow of large companies showing them who is really in control.

    The US government is telling China that the days of China dictating terms to the US are over.

    Japan is doing the same thing with Nissan and Carlos Ghosn.

  24. Re: How Do Treaties Work? by green1 · · Score: 1

    Some would describe signing treaties when it's well known in advance that only one side will follow them to be the treasonous act.

  25. You lose vs. verifiable FACTS... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.) My program stops portfilter errs in hosts https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

    2.) Wildcards CREATE FALSE POSITIVES (try wildcard myftp.org, not all sites in it = bad). Hosts specifics don't cause that.

    3.) CHINA did hardcodes LONG AFTER I DID "Time is on MY SIDE" (Rolling Stones) https://theregister.co.uk/2017...

    4.) /. users state the value of hosts for getting users more speed/security/reliability/anonymity listed here (enumerated as "Registered /.ers reviews") https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    5.) Security pros galore + /.ers praise the layered security efficacy of hosts quoted here https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

    6.) I never had to sue Thor SCHMUCK - CA rescinded their FALSE POSITIVE error, sold off their shitty antivirus & I said I'd speak to an attorney & I did who advised I go thru their removal process & I won.

    APK

    P.S.=> You can't even STAND BEHIND YOUR WORDS (lies) you UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous STALKER of me... apk

  26. Just get her outta here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alright, we (Canada) did the US's biding and have arrested Huawei's CFO on their behalf. Can they *please* take ownership of that mess now and have her extradited already and let her become *their* problem?

    As it stands, it's bad enough that our PM has gotten both the US *and* the Arabs pissed off at us due to his own and his people's incompetence; we don't need the Chinese to join in either.

  27. Re:Tell ya right now they've got NOTHING to lose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. Did you just try to make a point by posting a link to a Queensryche album? And then you didn't even get the name of the album you linked correct?

    Hint: That album is "Empire" - you know, like it says in huge letters in the bottom third of the album cover art.

    What a tool.

  28. Re:If Huawei stole technology for testing smartpho by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Tests alone will not cause a redesign of shitty software or hardware. Testing only proves that the shitty product is operating within the bounds of it's shitty specs.

    --
    Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
  29. Right (both great albums) but you? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't get YOUR OWN NAME right as you STALK me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anon + burning you https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... point by "so-called 'point'" of yours here too, lmao (easily using verifiable facts vs. your bs) was TOO easy.

    APK

    P.S.=> You lose... apk

  30. I am APK the LORD of HOSTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am APK the great "LORD of HOSTS", a.k.a. AlecStaar from ArsTechnica or Alexander Peter Kowalski.

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ 64-bit for Linux h t t p : / / I . a m . a . f u c k i n g / a s s h o l e . r e t a r d . z i p (remove spaces between characters & download).

    I am the godlike creator of various GUI front-ends for other people's configuration files.

    Mistaking mockery and parody for impersonation is how I think people flatter me because I can't possibly understand that they detest me.

    Watch as I claim I am world class and a winner but in reality I am a fucking loser.

    You must be conspiring with the Jews and Soros if you disagree with me.

    Bask in my debilitating mental illness

    I just don't understand why every site I post on everyone makes fun of me, it can't be because I am a shit stick but instead because they are all Ne'er-do-well SOYboy Jealous JOWIEs.

    Witness my descent into madness

    APK

  31. I am APK the LORD of HOSTS? If you say so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & again - was a PLEASURE nuking you STALKING me by UNIDENTIFIABLE anon here https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... & now you're IMPERSONATING me too?? Please - that proves 1 thing: YOU WISH YOU WERE ME!

    * Your POOR IMITATION is the SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY, period!

    APK

    P.S.=> Instead of STALKING me like the PSYCHO LOON you OBVIOUSLY ARE or IMPERSONATING ME, why not Make a Wheel (multiplatform, as I have that 100's of 1,000's use daily) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di... instead? Oh, that's right - an UNEDUCATED "ne'er-do-well" like YOU can't manage good things like I DO, lol... apk

  32. Re: Cute But Dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play in mud you get dirty.

  33. Retarded bitch APK shows how defective he is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see that the retarded bitch Alexander Peter Kowalski chose to show off how defective he is. He has nothing so all he can do is keep repeating his previously disproved statements because he is just too dumb to understand that he lost and is nothing but a failure. Given that he can't follow simple reasoning and logic, his advise on more complex topics like computer security should not be followed. Especially given that he doesn't believe in things that actually provide real provable security.

    1. Re:Retarded bitch APK shows how defective he is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly what bothers you is your fault. APK does good things, others like his work. Security pros agree with him on hosts efficacy https://news.slashdot.org/comm... in added security. You're jealous and can't do as well since you waste time trolling and have no skill.

  34. Won't stop the US selling '5G phones' * by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * not actually 5G, just marketing, sorry no law says we can't so fuck you consumers.