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Study Shows How LSD Interferes With Brain's Signaling (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: A group of volunteers who took a trip in the name of science have helped researchers uncover how LSD messes with activity in the brain to induce an altered state of consciousness. Brain scans of individuals high on the drug revealed that the chemical allows parts of the cortex to become flooded with signals that are normally filtered out to prevent information overload. The drug allowed more information to flow from the thalamus, a kind of neural gatekeeper, to a region called the posterior cingulate cortex, and it stemmed the flow of information to another part known as the temporal cortex. This disruption in communication may underpin some of the wacky effects reported by LSD users, from feelings of bliss and being at one with the universe to hallucinations and what scientists in the field refer to as "ego dissolution," where one's sense of self disintegrates.

For the study, the researchers invited 25 healthy participants into the lab to be scanned under the influence of LSD and, on another occasion, after taking a placebo. They were shown around the scanner beforehand to ensure they felt comfortable going inside when the drug took hold. Had the machine suddenly taken on a threatening demeanor, the scans might not have come out so well. The scientists wanted to test a hypothesis first put forward more than a decade ago. It states LSD causes the thalamus to stop filtering information it relays to other parts of the brain. It is the breakdown of this filter that gives rise to the weird effects the drug induces, or so the thinking goes. Scans of the volunteers' brains suggested there may be some truth to the hypothesis. On LSD, the thalamus let more information through to some parts of the brain and suppressed information bound for others. "What we found is that the model is mostly true, but how information is distributed to the cortex under LSD is much more specific than it predicts," a researcher said.
The latest research is published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

63 comments

  1. Re:Dup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I see monsters.

    I think you should lay off the LSD.

  2. A sample of 25?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aside from the tiny sample size, I volunteer to increase its size and why the hell didn't I hear about it and Damn it!

  3. Neat! by privateparts · · Score: 1, Funny

    Pretty sure I read this a while ago, not sure exactly how long though...

    1. Re:Neat! by slickwillie · · Score: 2

      I think it's from the 60's.

      At least that's how I remember it.

    2. Re:Neat! by mschuyler · · Score: 1

      It was 2 days ago on Slashdot.

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    3. Re:Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anon here ;)

      It was 2 days ago on Slashdot.

      Lol mschuyler mate. Fundamentally, that's probably to much science for some here.

      All the best.

      peace...

    4. Re:Neat! by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not a dupe. Two experiments, two reports, different techniques. One a color blob time perceprtion test and the other a fMRI scanner tracing what happens inside the brain.

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  4. Microdosing LSD by Darkling-MHCN · · Score: 2

    Reading that makes microdosing LSD sound little less crazy than you many might have thought.

    1. Re:Microdosing LSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microdosing?? WTF? Do a full dose and get the full effect ffs.

    2. Re:Microdosing LSD by xonen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Microdosing, or regular use of normal doses of LSD, is less innocent then it looks. It can lead to or amplify an heart condition.

      Given enough time between doses, the heart has time to recover. Long-term microdosing does sabotage that repair process. Read https://thethirdwave.co/psyche... for more detailed information.

      Also, from personal experience, i found the 'after effect' of LSD lasts for a week or two, increasing good mood. I'm not talking about the 'next day' hangover when you're still a bit tired from the experience, but the following days where the 'anti-depressant' effect of the drug becomes more obvious.

      Personally, for me that's two reasons not to microdose. I rather have the full trip, than building immunity for the hallucinogen effect. Also being overweight already i rather avoid a heart condition. I didn't trip at all for over 2 decades. Nowadays i might pop 2 trips in a single month, alternated by months of not using. But i will avoid experimenting with microdosing.

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    3. Re:Microdosing LSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microdosing, or regular use of normal doses of LSD, is less innocent then it looks. It can lead to or amplify an heart condition.

      Given enough time between doses, the heart has time to recover. Long-term microdosing does sabotage that repair process. Read https://thethirdwave.co/psyche... for more detailed information.

      Also, from personal experience, i found the 'after effect' of LSD lasts for a week or two, increasing good mood. I'm not talking about the 'next day' hangover when you're still a bit tired from the experience, but the following days where the 'anti-depressant' effect of the drug becomes more obvious.

      Personally, for me that's two reasons not to microdose. I rather have the full trip, than building immunity for the hallucinogen effect. Also being overweight already i rather avoid a heart condition. I didn't trip at all for over 2 decades. Nowadays i might pop 2 trips in a single month, alternated by months of not using. But i will avoid experimenting with microdosing.

      Next time you're tripping, make sure to put a lot of thought into the whole dying of a heart attack thing. Really concentrate on working out whether you're suffering from chest pains and what the source may be. Maybe ask your companions if your lips are turning blue. LSD is a useful psychological tool, so this will surely help you to overcome your anxieties about this matter.

    4. Re:Microdosing LSD by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Microdosing, or regular use of normal doses of LSD, is less innocent then it looks. It can lead to or amplify an heart condition.

      Given enough time between doses, the heart has time to recover. Long-term microdosing does sabotage that repair process. Read https://thethirdwave.co/psyche... [thethirdwave.co] for more detailed information.

      The risks of LSD in regards to heart damage, even at normal dose, is still unknown. MDMA and Fen Phen do appear to carry risks for heart disease. The link that you provided shows that the LSD binds to the same receptors that cause heart issues with MDMA and Fen Phen usage. However even at a high dose of LSD, it's going to be incredibly smaller than the amount of MDMA or Fen Phen.

      I'm not talking about the 'next day' hangover when you're still a bit tired from the experience,

      It's been well over 30 years since I've tripped, but I always found that taking Valium once I came down always helped with being able to sleep and feeling better the next day.

      I rather have the full trip, than building immunity for the hallucinogen effect.

      That's one of the issues with acid. Even when I was young I eventually realized that I needed to plan ahead before taking acid. You're going to have to make sure you have 24 hours without needing to do anything other than trip. You usually have an hour after first taking it until it kicked in and then 8+ hours peeking and then that strung out feeling a couple hours later. That's the best time to take the Valium and sleep for the next 8 hours or so.

    5. Re:Microdosing LSD by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      amplify an heart condition.

      Art isn't a "condition," it is just part of life. You have serious problems.

  5. Timothy Leary’s dead by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Oh no, he’s outside... looking in.

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    1. Re:Timothy Leary’s dead by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Learn how to operate your brain.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      "The first thing to do is to overwhelm your focused mind."

      "This is the state of the brain when it is ready to be reformed, that is, to be reprogrammed."

      But of course, the most important thing is to be in control of the screens you look at.

  6. Another study proving the obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ask anyone who has used LSD about the effects and one thing that will come startlingly clear no matter the reaction (good or bad): LSD breaks down mental barriers, at least temporarily. Whatever topic your brain moves towards you aren't going to easily dismiss it. Sucks that prohibition means it took 75 years to actually scientifically figure this out.

  7. Window pane by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    Did I ever tell you guys any of my acid stories? I forget. They're good stories, though.

    By the way, is anybody holding?

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    1. Re:Window pane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explains a LOT.

    2. Re:Window pane by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      That explains a LOT.

      Well that's the point, man. I've opened up those doors of perception, tore then right off the fucking hinges in fact, so I can see what is not obvious to the average Slashdotter. I can see for miles and miles.

      And by the way, did you ever look at your nostrils? I mean really look at your nostrils? Feed your head.

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    3. Re:Window pane by presearch · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes. The Window Pane. Back in the day, I took a whole without planning my day.
      Was forced to drive my car. I found myself driving in bouncy Max Fleischer cartoon world.
      I think that I went someplace to sit it out. I don't remember that part.

  8. Re: My nigga by Seewhatidonehere · · Score: 0

    Surely if I ever felt the urge to read The Guardian I would make the effort but in all fairness it is not on top of my everyday agenda, one reason being the above article. Secondly, science has been experimenting with different doses of LSD in solicited and unsolicited experiments ever since it was discovered 50 years ago, plenty has been written about it. Lets move on.

  9. DUPE by slashdice · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm having flashbacks to the last time you posted this story!! ðYðY

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    1. Re:DUPE by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      When was that? Genuinely interested.

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  10. THe effect is the same as when by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    I go past 2GB of data and verizon throttles me down to 2G edge speed. t..i..m..e.....d..i...a....l....a......t........e........s

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  11. Re: My nigga by umafuckit · · Score: 0

    Surely if I ever felt the urge to read The Guardian I would make the effort but in all fairness it is not on top of my everyday agenda, one reason being the above article. Secondly, science has been experimenting with different doses of LSD in solicited and unsolicited experiments ever since it was discovered 50 years ago, plenty has been written about it. Lets move on.

    And yet we still don't know how it works. We don't know if micro-dosing is real or placebo. We have some evidence that psychedelics can be used to treat diseases like alcoholism but there is still not sufficient evidence for governments to accept that these substances have a medical use. Ditto with their use for PTSD, etc. So, no, I would say more research is needed.

  12. Gt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Or the brain modulates its emotion to produce other emotions and LSD stops that.

  13. Re: whoda thunk it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My brained is screwed after reading this.

  14. Re:whoda thunk it? by Time_Ngler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After you screw-up your brain, you cannot possibly use your brain to accurately assess anything.

    It's not a permanent effect, so you could accurately assess the results after the trip. If it prevents things you've been suppressing (which the experiment results point to be being true and done by the thalamus) you could easily fix that eating disorder/social anxiety/depression/self sabotage/or whatever other problem you have that you have been hiding from yourself.

    I've never tried LSD myself, but I can see why some people who have problems might find benefit in it. (I'm too much of a geek and don't know how to get it, and I like my life enough not to mess with it.)

  15. Re: My nigga by mentil · · Score: 1

    Micro-dosing was proven to have a testable effect in a double-blind experiment with controls. There was a post about this two days ago.

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  16. I guess the CIA is bored... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why else would they start MKULTRA again?

  17. MKULTRA by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3

    Ken Kesey described his experiences on LSD when he volunteered from the CIA's MKULTRA experiments. He pranked the researchers through the whole thing. Of course, one of the evaluations was to check the subjects' perception of time. Of course his sense of time was wasted (they used pretty high doses), but Kesey noted that the idiot checking wore his wrist watch into the room. So Kesey just checked the second hand on the guy's watch, and was able to tell him how much time had passed to the second.

    Funny how researchers never consider things like that.

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    1. Re:MKULTRA by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Researchers do consider things like that. In a proper study there shouldn't have been anyone else in the room with him at all.

      The CIA may not be the best research institution.

    2. Re:MKULTRA by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Funny how researchers never consider things like that.

      Researchers cannot consider everything.
      But they know about statistics. And they will notice one person with a score completely off the chart, and will either discard it, or try to find out why that guy is different. And it includes checking for things like fraud and other external factors.
      In some cases they call in stage magicians, who are experts at these kinds of things.

    3. Re:MKULTRA by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Researchers do consider things like that. In a proper study there shouldn't have been anyone else in the room with him at all.

      The CIA may not be the best research institution.

      Well it was Stanford University, using the best researchers they had at the time. They weren't in the room all the time, they just came in occasionally to ask some questions and take some health readings. The CIA is actually still involved in projects there, although they are more open about it now. They even offer a CIA internship program. Christine Blasey Ford was involved in running that program, which makes since considering her father was involved in MKULTRA.

      Anyway, no one knew for years that the CIA had anything to do with it. Kesey himself didn't believe it until the documents were made public.

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    4. Re:MKULTRA by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Psychology has recently undergone a bit of a rude awakening, realizing that study design, placebo effect, biased sampling, replicability, etc. are somewhat important.

  18. Re:whoda thunk it? by Immerman · · Score: 2

    >The dumbest thing any human being can possibly do is to mess with the proper operation of their own brain for recreational purposes.

    Which I assume is why you avoid alcohol, tobacco, aspirin, coffee, and the many other mind-altering drugs our spociety approves of as well, right?

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  19. I'm curious of pre, during and post scans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope that scanned the brains prior to the trip. I'd be curious about what the scans showed a week later relative to the initial pre-LSD scan.

    I do know one person that can't look at speckled ceilings anymore. Just saying ....... I guess I know there are long term effects on occasion. Just curious if lingering effects are a spectrum issue and why is it a spectrum issue?

  20. Stop the presses! Breaking news! by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I mean, who would have thought that it lowered the filter... other than EVERY ONE WHO TOOK IT OR WROTE ABOUT IT in the sixties and seventies.

  21. Results are old news, even if it's a new test by tiedyejeremy · · Score: 1

    Interesting that I wrote a paper describing these results in 1990, based entirely on existing research found in the library at a community college in Dallas, TX, but somehow this news? I guess the difference is that people are finally becoming interested in the possibilities, instead of being hung up on the propaganda.

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  22. Re:whoda thunk it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Correct, it is not permanent, and the stupidest thing you can do is live an entire life and not try everything you can.

    Not saying everyone should try LSD, but if you want to, and you understand what you are doing, go for it.

    Same thing with downhill skiing, skydiving, and eating cured lunch meat.

  23. Re: whoda thunk it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It really isn't the dumbest thing. The brain has evolved to encourage reproductive activity, not necessarily optimal brain functionality, as many slashdotters might be familiar with. Our brains often work against its cognitive component in order to foster additional offspring. Presuming there exists some ideal enlightened state, that state is likely to cause a decrease in offspring and thus be a very rare occurrence among the population. Medicine might very well one day offer permanent unlocks to higher states of perception.

  24. placebo domingo by presearch · · Score: 1

    How could someone take an LSD placebo and be fooled into thinking it did something?

    1. Re:placebo domingo by whitroth · · Score: 1

      If we're not talking high dosage, easily enough, the same way that placebos work when they do - expectations of the user.

      Next, go look up "contact high".

    2. Re:placebo domingo by presearch · · Score: 1

      But if they were not dosing to the tipping point of deep synesthesia, time dilution, and the loss of self, what's the point?
      Nobody babysitting a room of people tripping is going to spontaneously start seeing trails and color auras.
      They might grin and giggle a little bit, but that's it.

    3. Re:placebo domingo by yarbo · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised. Being asked if things are more significant than normal or other similar questions can make you wonder because you don't normally think about the world that way.

      There have been some interesting studies on the LSD placebos:

      http://www.gwern.net/docs/psyc...

      http://www.gwern.net/docs/psyc...

  25. human router kunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you stupid human router cunt,
    is LSD good or bad???
    I know its msmash cauz this does not belong here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:human router kunt by presearch · · Score: 1

      Good, except when it isn't. Then it's terrible.

  26. Re: My nigga by umafuckit · · Score: 1

    Micro-dosing was proven to have a testable effect in a double-blind experiment with controls. There was a post about this two days ago.

    I saw that, but that study wasn't really exploring the microdosing claims we've been seeing recently: things like increased creativity and so on.

  27. Re:whoda thunk it? by edris90 · · Score: 1

    I think everyone should for no other reason then to learn how to disassociate from social conditioning. Is amazing how easy is to be happy once all the things people demanded be the center of the universe arer now honestly regarded as the accumulated dogmatic residue you're born into. It enables choice in perception. Which is an important skill 4 personal emotional management, and perceiving the motives of oneself and others more clearly.

  28. Re: whoda thunk it? by edris90 · · Score: 1

    The artificial distinction born of arrogance where you pretend you're not another animal, is the seed deception that makes the rest of life so confused conflicted.

  29. Re:whoda thunk it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're a geek, just go find some other geeks who go to Burning Man. Besides the likelihood that you will get involved in some incredibly fun projects, you will come across LSD at some point, take a hit of it and enjoy it. People who use their spare time building 100ft tall electroluminous jellyfish sculptures tend to be just as geeky when it comes to their drugs, so you know what you're getting is unadulterated and good for you.

  30. oooh, a drugged-out moron is mad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My brain needs no debugging, and since I'm not a druggie I have a reasonable certainty that my perceptions of reality are correct.

    If you have screwed yours up with drugs, then you have no way of ever being certain that you are not still at least partially screwed up. It's a simple concept, but I must admit that no druggie will accept it because his brain no longer functions properly. I've been around plenty who use various drugs and I have never met a person whose brain worked better after, or even as well as before, they began using. It's almost a universal delusion of users that they are thinking more quickly or faster or more creatively. It's quite predictable when you think about it, but I used to still be amazed to observe it in person. At this point though I see it's just par for the course and this screwed-up self evaluation by people with tainted brains makes complete sense.