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In France, Comic Books Are Serious Business (nytimes.com)

It's a big year for comic book anniversaries. Batman's 80th is this year, and Asterix is turning 60. But at the Angouleme International Comics Festival in France, which finished on Sunday, there was a sense that the form's best days may be yet to come -- in the French-speaking world, at least. From a report: "It's a kind of golden age," said Jean-Luc Fromental, a comic book author who also runs a graphic-novel imprint for the publisher Denoel. "There has never been so much talent. There have never been so many interesting books published."

There are now more comic books published annually in France and Belgium than ever before, according to the festival's artistic director, Stephane Beaujean. "The market has risen from 700 books per year in the 1990s to 5,000 this year," he said in an interview. "I don't know any cultural industry which has had that kind of increase." Research by the market research company GfK, released to coincide with the festival, showed that turnover in the comic book industry in those two countries alone reached 510 million euros, or around $580 million, in 2018.

The bumper year in France and Belgium contrasts with a mixed situation worldwide. Comichron, a website that reports on comic book sales in the United States, where the market is worth around $1 billion, says that sales there are declining. But in terms of respect and recognition, comics are on the way up.

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  1. Video games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "I don't know any cultural industry which has had that kind of increase."

    Video games. You're welcome.

  2. Yeah, just ask the guys at Charlie Hebdo by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The wrong comic can be deadly serious these days.

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    1. Re:Yeah, just ask the guys at Charlie Hebdo by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 2

      That wasn't a comic. It was an editorial cartoon. An editorial cartoon that speaks truth to power is likely to get the editorial cartoonist and everyone in the newsroom killed.

    2. Re:Yeah, just ask the guys at Charlie Hebdo by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      I would say that "everyone being scared of even mildly criticizing you out of a literal fear of death" is way more power than any government official in France has.

      And everyone who believes in freedom should have damned well shed a tear when that shooting happened. Because no one, "marginalized community" or not should *ever* be above criticism. And blasphemy laws or restrictions have no place in modern Western society, period--no matter the religion. If you think that it should be okay to mock Christianity but not Islam, you're not a liberal. You're just a hypocrite.

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    3. Re:Yeah, just ask the guys at Charlie Hebdo by radja · · Score: 1

      except that no religion is currently more criticized than islam.

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    4. Re:Yeah, just ask the guys at Charlie Hebdo by radja · · Score: 2

      They all deserve criticism. I'm not so sure islam deserves it more than all other religions, but it definately deserves criticism.

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  3. Funny... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been raised on Franco-Belgian comics (Belgium is a comics powerhouse, too — that’s where Tintin comes from, after all), and I can trace back the inspiration of many movies to those Franco-Belgian comics; Star Wars being the best known example (and the Star Wars designers admit having the whole Valérian comics collection)

    1. Re:Funny... by dargaud · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same here, and I'll add that the main difference with US comics is that the latter are mostly about super heroes, while the former are mostly about anything else (fantasy, SF, drama, humor, family, thrillers, etc)... I find superhero comics horribly repetitive (and here's yet another fight between jacked-up tight-wearing guys with no link to actual physics)...

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    2. Re:Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Same here, and I'll add that the main difference with US comics is that the latter are mostly about super heroes,.

      you forgot the Disney stuff, Peanuts, Calvin and Hobbes and such. So there is diversity in the US comics beside Marvel and DC. Though I admit I prefer the franco-belge comics I grew up with.

    3. Re:Funny... by fat+man's+underwear · · Score: 2

      I like Gaston Lagaffe... Quebec also produced Red Ketchup....

    4. Re: Funny... by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      and here's yet another fight between jacked-up tight-wearing guys with no link to actual physics

      But the important question is who would win?

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    5. Re:Funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I prefer Thorgal.

    6. Re:Funny... by The+Snazster · · Score: 1

      Belgium? I'm not sure that's true anymore because I've been waiting a long time for the next Tintin release.

    7. Re:Funny... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Same here, and I'll add that the main difference with US comics is that the latter are mostly about super heroes, while the former are mostly about anything else (fantasy, SF, drama, humor, family, thrillers, etc)...

      Look at Marvel's and DC's back catalogs. You'll be surprised to discover superheros were the minority in the 40s and 50s. Even into the 60s, they were publishing more westerns, war (mostly WWII)(both combat and spy), romance, and traditional non-super adventures than they were superhero books. Batman may be 80 years old but Batman was only one book among many for half of its existence. They didn't even name his book after him. It was 'Detective Comics' for many many years. Superheros were selected by the public, not the publishers.

      There's an argument to be made that the rise of superheros to prominence in comics corresponded with the decline in society revolving around the Christian church. For most of a thousand years, the Christian church was the source of stories about miracles and larger than life characters. I'm old enough to remember Sunday school that was willing, even eager, to dwell on the Old Testament. It's full of prophets and miracles and drama. As society relegated the Christian mythos more and more to history, superhero comics grew in popularity. They were filling a gap. Humans love gods and monsters in stories, and that's what superhero comics are. Ultimately they rummaged through history and resurrected all the old demigods, from Hercules to the Norse pantheon, adopting the characters wholesale into their own mythos (minus all the kinky animal sex). And why wouldn't they? They're a perfect fit, and serve the same purpose. And they've successfully displaced the Christian prophets.

      More power to them, I say. Superhero comics manage to always be just ridiculous enough that no one takes them too seriously. That's a big step up. When people take their god myths seriously, people get burned at the stake. If superheros successfully inoculate the species against that habit, they're a huge win.

    8. Re:Funny... by bryanbrunton · · Score: 1

      Physics? We don't care about physics in comics: one hero has beams shooting out of his eyes, and the next hero conjures zombies with his pinkies. The unreality of the physics is part of the fun. Did the ancient Greeks care about the physical reality of Zeus throwing down lightning bolts? No, it's just part of the super natural pretense.

    9. Re:Funny... by dargaud · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting take on the subject. Then I guess I've never liked superhero comics because I've never liked the bible !!!

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    10. Re:Funny... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      As others have pointed out Tintin and Asterix, whilst fictitious do tend to have a much more educational bent to them than comics from say the UK, America, and Japan

      That’s because of a 1949 French law, passed by the communists, who stated that comic magazines could not have more than 50% of actual comics, the rest had to be educational stuff. As Tintin and Spirou were published in Belgium, they were not subject to that law, but they had to to be able to sell in France, which was their market, after all It’s like British TV producing for US networks

  4. Different format from US comics by AnonyMouseCowWard · · Score: 1

    French/Belgian comics "feel" different from American ones, and it's a whole different cultural thing. Manga for example is still growing in the US, even if traditional superhero comics are not, and I'd argue French/Belgian ones are more similar to manga. It's just a medium to communicate a story, whereas in the US "comics" are traditionally all about superheros (at least that's my knowledge of US comics).

    1. Re:Different format from US comics by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      French/Belgian comics "feel" different from American ones, and it's a whole different cultural thing. Manga for example is still growing in the US, even if traditional superhero comics are not, and I'd argue French/Belgian ones are more similar to manga. It's just a medium to communicate a story, whereas in the US "comics" are traditionally all about superheros (at least that's my knowledge of US comics).

      Stand by for the new Superman comics, where Superman is a woman. As well, the next generation Supergirl will be a transgender furrie.

      All joking aside, a lot of US comic readers are concerned that our comics are transitioning to Identity Politics, and losing the escapism fun.

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    2. Re: Different format from US comics by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The reason most of the Franco-Belgian comics never succeeded in the US, is that Americans interpret the art style as childish.

      So the exceptions are the comics that actually are for children (the Smurfs!) and to some degree the realistically drawn stuff a la Moebius.

      If "Percevan" for instance was drawn as an American superhero comic, I'm sure it would have been very popular. But for American comics readers it's jarring.

      There are/were a few US comics artists who wrote for adults in a "childish" style, but then it was played as somewhat deliberately grotesque, and funny for that reason too. I'm thinking of Sergio Aragones and the others who wrote for MAD. But they were also very popular in Europe and had close contact with the Franco-Belgians (Aragones even appears as a villainous CIA agent in a "Natascha" story!)

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    3. Re:Different format from US comics by fat+man's+underwear · · Score: 1

      One of the greatest realistic Belgian comic book heroes is Gil Jourdan. The first volume still reads fresh today.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    4. Re: Different format from US comics by balbeir · · Score: 1

      And the other ones, like Manara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., are a bit too adult for Americans....

    5. Re:Different format from US comics by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Given the US has elected a mysogynistic, transgender hating, rapey, homophobe and the first woman in US history with a real chance of becoming president was blocked by a whole bunch of fake news about corruption that could be applied to her competition 10x over then have you ever considered that perhaps escapism where a woman can become president without being held to double standards that don't apply to a male candidate (like, release your tax returns), or a transgender can be part of a military force is EXACTLY what they're offering?

      Damn, you have to be a real hit at parties. Anything that doesn't send you into a rage?

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  5. New influences on old comics by chthon · · Score: 1

    I see a movement in using other styles, asking different pencillers and scenarists for classics like Spike and Suzy, Jethro, the Red Knight, Kiekeboe, and probably others I don't buy. It's a movement I have also seen with US Comics. I have almost everything from the X-Men between 1963 and 2003, and in the nineties there was a movement to break out of the classical drawing styles. I see the same here. Also, more dark and alternative scenarios. It is something that I welcome, and which indeed made me buy new comics.

  6. The greatest challenge of our time by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

    We live in a time of abundance of inspiration. People are able to discover interests that 30 years ago you'd have to have been lucky to stumble upon randomly. Thanks to the internet and, dare I say it, even memes, people get first contact encounters with so many possible hobbies these days.

    So there are many more artists and considering publishing has gotten way easier even in print, the times are good for comics above and beyond mainstream.

    The challenge for the consumer is to find the right artist/genre/story. I have never gotten into Marvel and fallen out of anime and manga because at some point because I got used to the cliches and tropes and it didn't hold any interest for me. I have similar issues with literature.

    Even in today's society, where everything can be found in a database, we still lhaven't evolved beyond tags and with tags it's important that other people tag something the way you would.

    And there lies my issue. Goodreads has yet to pique my interest in a book that then proves to be to my taste. All these "You've liked that so you might also like these" have yet to prove effective.

    I just don't know where to find more of what I loved. Even going into the fan communities seems pointless because people usually just don't think like me.

  7. Get out! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's this nerd subject doing on this serious, political website! >:-(

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  8. In other news: by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Funny

    "US comic fan utterly amazed at the concept of a comic without superheroes."

    "Are US marvel and DC fans finally discovering how shitty, bland, boring, overpriced and repetitive their favorite comics are?"

    "DC comic readers head explodes from overload after catching glimpse of Franco-Belgian hardcover by Vance & van Hamme"

    "Marvel enthusiast dies of heart attack and endorphine overdose after repeatedly masturbating to French Milo Manara album."

    "US Superhero fan sells all belongings, moves to southern Europe after enchanting read of Coseys "A trip to Italy" comic"

    "Euro comic shipment arrives at US borders. Marvel & DC stock plummets."

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  9. Re:US comic book companies fired their readers by hey! · · Score: 1

    Oh, yes, which is why Marvel went from being rich back in 1996 to being bankrupt now... No wait, I have that backwards.

    Not every business has to cater to *you*. If there are enough people like you, then businesses will find you. There are comic publishers who cater to libertarian, right-wing, even white supremacist tastes. Patronize the comic artists and publishers who produce what you want to see.

    As Thoreau noted, a man more right than his neighbors is a majority of one. If Marvel and DC think it's profitable to cater to a gay feminist agenda, then wash your hands of them and stick with Vox Day.

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  10. Re:Transgender narratives are my escapism ... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Transgender furry narratives are my escapism ...

    you Insensitive Clod!

    Captcha: [S]wallowed

    Sorry - to make my furry repentance I shall offer up a Beowulf Cluster-Fuck.

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