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Americans Are Lining Up To Work For Amazon For $15 an Hour (qz.com)

One of the most important takeaways from Amazon's 2018 fourth-quarter and full-year earnings report, released Jan. 31, had little to do with the usual financial results. Amazon disclosed in the report that it received a record 850,000 work applications for hourly jobs in the US in October 2018 after announcing it would raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour starting Nov. 1. From a report: The company said that was more than double its previous record for job applications received in a single month. Amazon said the new $15 minimum affects more than 250,000 employees in the US and 17,000 employees in the UK (where the increase was 10.50 pound in the London area and 9.50 pound everywhere else), plus more than 200,000 workers who were hired for the holiday season. As of Dec. 31, Amazon had 647,500 full- and part-time employees, up 14% from the same period a year earlier.

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  1. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Such a high minimum wage will never work because living wages aren't capitalist and this is literally white genocide and minimum wages literally killed the Lindbergh baby and a living wage is exactly the same thing as burning a flag and worse than 23 Benghazis and *pant pant pant*

    *mops forehead with fedora*

  2. But wait, there's more... by atouk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't forget day 1 benefits. Full disclosure, I work for Amazon. And I haven't regretted it for a minute. Yes, the packers/pickers/stowers/etc do work hard, but as for as my FC is concerned, I haven't seen anything at all resembling the urban legend horror stories.

    1. Re:But wait, there's more... by atouk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not at my FC. Employees are encouraged to hydrate (signs everywhere), bathrooms spread across the building, multiple break rooms, Free coffee/hot choc/etc machines. I can't honestly speak for other locations since I haven't been there, but also I can say that there are people that are never happy doing what they are paid to do.

    2. Re:But wait, there's more... by atouk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Clicked through most of those articles, and if you read between the lines, they're mostly pro-Union biased political articles. One even starts with an attack on Trump, completely unrelated to the supposed subject of the article. The one line that really made me laugh is "Amazon workers in general have been very vocal lately about their opposition to the companyâ(TM)s lack of diversity " Seriously? Whoever wrote this article has never stepped foot in my building, And I doubt any of the writers of those articles have spent a day in an Amazon facility. My boss two levels up is a woman, I'm the only one in my department with an "anglo American" name, I'm no more than 30 steps away from speakers of at least 5 languages that I can name, plus ASL, I know of at least 14 unique countries co workers were born in, there is a special Amazon group for gay and lesbian employees, Glamazons. And if you close your eyes and walk into the break rooms at meal time when the banks of microwaves are busy, you'd be hard pressed to count the number of different ethnic foods in the air. But hey, why believe what an actual employee says,

  3. People are lining up for these jobs..... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just like the immigrants that built the railroads. They have no options. System working as designed.

    Have you ever seen the inside of a meat packing plant? None of those people want to be there. They have to be there because they have no other options.

    It's pretty sad that this many people are lining up for these jobs. Read between the lines. This is pretty damn bad.

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  4. Re: Not Americans by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's fair, but an argument can also be fairly made that minimum wage should never be less than the amount that a person needs to live, without requiring further aid from social assistance programs, and assuming that they work full time hours. Anything less is dehumanizing, and if you want to dehumanize your workers, then use robots. This also means that minimum wage would vary, depending on the cost of living in the municipality where the wage applies.

    If the technology doesn't exist to use robots for your business, then too effing bad. Treat human beings like human beings and pay them enough to actually live on.

  5. Re:Wow, great jobs by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're at about 4% unemployment,

    It looks like you're using the U-3. Try using the U-6, which is at least closer to reality.

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  6. Re: Not Americans by Dragonslicer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Vermont routinely gets that cold and they do not close their schools for 10 degrees or even -10 degrees.

    That's why Vermont doesn't have to close schools when it's -10 F - everyone is prepared for it, particularly when it comes to owning adequate winter clothes. When it only goes below freezing once a year, most people, especially people with lower incomes, don't waste money on that kind of winter gear. If you only have clothing that's helpful for 40 F, going outside when it's -10 F can be deadly.

  7. Re: Not Americans by dryeo · · Score: 4, Informative

    America has one of the lowest economic mobility ratings compared to most western countries with peoples incomes usually quite predictable based on their parents incomes, though you are ahead of the UK.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  8. Hold up... by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wait a second here... Do you mean to tell me that Americans will do "jobs that Americans won't do" if you pay them a living wage with benefits?

    Inconcievable
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  9. Re:Americans Are Lining Up To Post Firstomundo by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, I was curious. I've never worked for minimum wage, I've either been dead broke in poverty and desperate and living in the back of a car which was waiting to be repossessed or I've make 6 figures but never between. I never had the chance to live like a normal person.

    So, I just searched Omaha for apartments. It seems that a two bedroom apartment in a nice suburb will cost you $1030 a month. To secure this, it would require a $3090 a month income. That's about $18 an hour or it can be done at $15 an hour at 9.5 hours a day assuming time and a half overtime.

    A 2014 BMW i3 with range extender would cost $18000 to $302 a month over 72 months. This is a good car because the resale value shouldn't drop considerably and after paying the car off, you can pay about the same for another year for a battery refurbishment. This car should have a very low cost of ownership (I drive one and it's almost like being paid to drive) and it should be relatively reliable. The only disadvantage is that it would have to be serviced by a BMW shop. But, it's still a far better purchase than a $12500 gas vehicle that has substantially more parts to break and replace... and pay gas for.

    Car insurance will run about $125 a month on that for a 30+ man or woman.

    I just grocery shopped online at one of the more expensive grocery stores I know of and shopped as if I had to budget. This didn't mean being stingy, but it meant grocery store brand over name. It meant fresh foods over packaged. It meant not paying double for organic. Choosing to shop the sales, etc... I came up with what should be a grocery card for a family of two including a month supply of soaps (bathroom, dish, laundry...), paper towels and toilet paper, tooth brushes, etc... I came up at $223. I suppose that using coupons and time as well as shopping at a non-rich person store would get it to $150, but I also didn't get anything really fun, it looked like what a healthy family would eat... you know, the kind of family where the parent loves the children instead of giving them food from boxes. So, let's choose $600 a month as a relatively round number for essentials (food, etc..) for a family of two.

    Then there's clothes. Depending on your needs, you can dress fairly well on a budget of $100 a month for an adult... this will also cover buying new winter coats. And you can dress a child for $150 a month. They grow and require replacement of stuff much faster. So let's calculate $250 a month

    The person would need furniture as well, but you can't budget that monthly, you buy that over 20 years and piece by piece. You inherit what you need from other people until you can buy the thing you actually want.

    Then there's electricity, water, internet and telephones. I think even someone much better than I am at budgeting would still find this costing about $400 a month.

    So, $1030 (rent), $600 (food stuff), $300 (Car), $125 (car insurance), $250 a month (clothes, shoes, etc..), $400 a month for utilities and phone.

    We're up to $2900 a month. If the person manages to get 9.5 hours a day, they would earn $3090 a month. I think even if they get almost 100% tax free, they would still have to pay social security which I think is about 10%, so there goes $300 a month.

    So, this person, if I don't account for any additional oopsies would be about $100 a month in the whole...at least.

    The car is paid off in 6 years, so if they can do 8 years, that's probably an extra $100 a month in the bank. And if the car lasts 25 years... as it should since it's basically all plastic and easy to replace parts, after the loan is paid, the cost of ownership should drop to $100 a month. But that doesn't help earlier on.

    There's no room for day car or babysitting... so, being a single parent would be REALLY REALLY difficult.

    They could get a cheaper apartment, but the goal isn't survival. For $1000 a month, you get an apartment with a gym, a pool and other things. This is considered living like a human instead of someone who is simp