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Countries With Zero Rating Have More Expensive Wireless Broadband Than Countries Without It

A comprehensive multi-year study by the non-profit Epicenter.works, comparing the 30 member countries of the European Union (EU) on net neutrality enforcement, has found that zero rating business practices by wireless carriers have increased the cost of wireless data compared to countries without zero rating. From a report: This directly contradicts all of the assertions by major wireless carriers that their zero rating practices are "free data" for consumers. Based on the evidence, zero rating not only serves as a means to enhance ISPs' power over the Internet, but it's also how they charge consumers more money for wireless service. Zero rating was originally going to be banned by the FCC under the General Conduct Rule, but when the FCC changed leadership the agency promptly green lighted and encouraged the industry to engage in zero rating practices before it began its repeal of net neutrality.

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  1. Shocking by MasseKid · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is my shocked face. :|

    1. Re:Shocking by fred6666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree but you'd be surprised at the amount of idiots who think that zero-rated content is a good thing.
      They say that if we block carriers from doing it, they will offer the same plans without the zero-rated bonus. As if the extra bandwidth used by the zero-rated content was free.

      Here (Canada) a carrier (Videotron) was forced (by the CRTC) to stop zero-rating music streaming since it has been ruled a net neutrality violation. I applauded but a lot of people said the government was making plans more expensive.

    2. Re:Shocking by bigpat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is my shocked face. :|

      The ENTIRE POINT of net neutrality is so that the telecoms can't reach into your data and try to squeeze you for more money based on how valuable the data is to you.

      Like listening to your phone calls to decide how much money to charge you based on how much you love talking to your mom.

  2. Simple rule ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a fairly simple rule .. if a telco claims to do something which benefits their consumers, it's a fucking lie.

    By the time you are in management at one of those, you are an undeniable sociopath who only cares about doing whatever it takes to maximize profits, and your own bonus.

    Nobody in management at such a company isn't a complete and utter sack of monkey crap.

    1. Re:Simple rule ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Capitalists practice capitalism, don't give out free internet. Story at 11.

    2. Re:Simple rule ... by thaylin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      there is a difference between giving out free internet and cheating paying customers.

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    3. Re:Simple rule ... by NormalVisual · · Score: 2

      And an even bigger difference when cheating paying customers after having been given billions in subsidies by those same customers.

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    4. Re:Simple rule ... by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      "Differences like "unlimited* (*see small print) and "data caps". Any company which uses unlimited can fuck right off. Not a single one of them are clean from abusing that "small print" clause.
      I rather a company straight up says, "hey, you know what, you have a data cap, here's our plans, pick the best for you:"."

      There is a grey area here. There are a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't have used the service up to the cap who will now that you've highlighted it. There are some providers with a fixed secret cap but there are a lot of providers who really don't have a fixed cap. They take efforts on their end to spread the higher bandwidth users across different ports and so forth. There are also some who start throttling certain types of traffic after a cap.

      On my FIOS link I've more or less maxed it out for most of the month without seeing a slowdown or getting any hassle.

  3. Epicenter.works is an advocacy organization by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Epicenter.works is an advocacy organization, not a research organization. So this "study" may be a bit biased. They have an agenda to push.

    1. Re:Epicenter.works is an advocacy organization by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given this bias, do you think they are interested in presenting information that would benefit the majority of people

      Absolutely not, they are interesting in presenting information that gets them the most funding, even if that is targeting a minority of people (which it is).

      many people who volunteer for basic rights and freedoms in the digital age

      Does not say majority to me.

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    2. Re:Epicenter.works is an advocacy organization by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Given this bias, do you think they are interested in presenting information that would benefit the majority of people?

      Given this bias, do you think they are open minded about what benefits the majority, or do think their minds are made up?

  4. Re:Not surprised by any of this by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm also thoroughly convinced it's an exercise in futility attempting to convince Trump supporters to stop voting against their own best interests.

    If you want to change their votes, perhaps you could start by listening to their concerns, instead of telling them they are too stupid to vote properly. That is about the same as telling them they are deplorable, which, if you recall, wasn't a successful strategy.

    The myth that Republicans vote against their own interests is based on two fallacies:
    1. That they share your views about what their "best interests" are. They don't.
    2. That poor states like Mississippi voted 100% Republican. Guess what? They didn't. Poor people in red states vote blue. It is the middle class where the Democrats lost.

  5. Re:Not surprised by any of this by thaylin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if their vote directly hurts them, which it often does, then it is voting against their best interests.

    for example republicans vote to cut the 3 large saftey nets, which that group largely depend on.

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  6. Re:Not surprised by any of this by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought you guys were in favor of the free market? That's the entire point of NN - to allow a free market on the internet, rather than allowing the ISP oligopoly to decide winners and losers.

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  7. WTF is Zero Rating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not all of us are communication nerds. Please define terms. Who is rating what at zero using what units?

    1. Re:WTF is Zero Rating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Zero rating is when a network provider generally meters data traffic, but exempts some traffic sources (applies a "zero rate" to that traffic). It's a net neutrality violation that some providers pinky swear is not a net neutrality violation.

    2. Re:WTF is Zero Rating? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      It means not charging customers for data to specific websites.

  8. Re:Not surprised by any of this by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Non-white Poor people in red states vote blue

    FTFY. And it's sill a minority of the poor people.

    There is a trick to getting one issue voters to vote for your party.

    The best example I can think of is the evangelical anti-abortion people. For years you could rally them to your cause by proclaiming that you were anti-abortion and didn't believe in evolution. And while in recent years, the candidate wishing to offer succor to this group had to temper their anti evolution screeds to "Well, I'm not a scientist", because anti evolution is on the same plane as flat earth , chemtrails and moon landing fakes. But if you proclaim to be anti abortion, the anti abortion voters will vote for you no matter what else you do. The present occupant is the perfect example. Dalliances with porn stars and paying them off while his own wife is with child would seem to be sinful - after all, I know the evangelicals were in hyperventilation mode that a president got a consensual blowjob from a woman. Ah.. remember the Party of the High Moral Ground and "Values Matter!" days? Good heady times, amirite? But no, they support him in all he does.

    Now seriously evangelicals, do you think that a man with the curriculum vitae of the present occupant is really anti-abortion? But if he says the right words - you slobber over him more than Stormy Daniels ever did.

    Then again, the Evangelicals have the stick-to-itivity of Wile E. Coyote trying to catch the Road Runner, you have to give them that. They'll come back to vote for whoever says the magic words again and again. The shivering truth is that as long as all a politician has to say is that he wants to make abortion illegal and you'll supplicate at his or her feet, you can bet that they'll make certain to use that Trump card again and again. (no pun intended) If they actually did outlaw it, they'd lose a big wedge issue.

    And this is why the party of NO! always falls down the little hole in the shithouse when they are in the majority. They don't really have any actual ideas other than saying no.

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