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Tesla Model 3 Becomes Best Selling Electric Car In World (cleantechnica.com)

Jose Pontes of EV Volumes and CleanTechnica has crunched some numbers and found that the Tesla Model 3 is now the best selling plug-in vehicle in the world. "In fact, the Model 3 was approximately 55,000 sales above the #2 BAIC EC-Series, an extremely popular Chinese model," CleanTechnica reports. "The Model 3 gobbled 7% of the plug-in vehicle market, while the #2 EC-Series and #3 Nissan LEAF each had 4%." From the report: After those top three, as the chart shows, the Tesla Model S and Model X were #4 and #5, respectively. They were followed by three Chinese models and then the Toyota Prius Prime and Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. The Model 3 (and others) helped push the world plug-in vehicle share up to 2.1% in 2018. (Double that 4 times and we're at about 30% market share.) [...] Remember, 93% of plug-in vehicle sales in 2018 were not Model 3 sales. Nearly 2 million non -- Model 3 electric cars, SUVs, and crossovers made it into consumers' parking spots. Still, there's clearly a new king of the hill, and its young Tesla's 4th model.

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  1. Re:Not surprised by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue is that you don't just need a lower sale price; you also need a lower production cost. One intuitively expects these two to correlate, but at low volumes, they don't; so long as EVs are a small percentage of a manufacturer's sales, pricing is more dictated by factors such as legal compliance, trying to establish a place in the market, and maturing one's designs.

    As it stands, EV profitability varies greatly between manufacturers.

    The primary problem is that your base costs - batteries - are high, but your incremental costs - such as motor power - are low. A Model 3 drive unit, for example, was estimated by Munro & Associates to cost $754 - yet just the catalytic converter alone on a Prius costs more than double that. So, whether you're making some slow, plodding, econobox EV, or some lightning-speed entry-level luxury EV, the differences in production cost aren't that great. The exact same situation applies to China - battery cells are traded globally, and Chinese EV makers face the exact same challenges in making their battery packs affordable. Sure, they can cut costs on the rest of the vehicle - but you're still stuck with needing an expensive battery pack (or selling cars with poor range and charge speeds).

    Thankfully, battery prices have been falling like a stone. So this situation keeps improving every year.

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  2. Re:Need a cheap no fills model by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with the AC above - what you want is a used Leaf.

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  3. Re:I'll wait on the Chinese by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Interestingly enough, this story was posted right as the first delivery of Model 3s to China is arriving in Tianjin. :) Also the second shipment to Europe will also arrive at Zeebrugge shortly.

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  4. The secret master plan seems to be working by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Secret Master Plan was published in 2006, 13 years ago.

    The entire Tesla enterprise is a bet on a curve. The battery price will halve and the energy density will double every seven years. Sort of a Moore's Law for the batteries. The play book of Tesla is to find which segment of the car/suv market can be attacked at what price batteries. Roadster in 2008. S in 2012. X in 2015. 3 in 2018.

    The auto industry is very mature. Almost all its parts have been refined and optimized over and over for a long time. The prices of components, crankshafts, body panels, differential gears, do not change significantly between the conception, design and production. They conditioned to think like this. "Today battery price is 200 $/kWh. The gasoline power train cost X$. Replacing it with electric would give me Y kWh battery, so... " They are not used to, "battery price to day is 190 $/kWh, four years from now it will 140$/kWh, ...". This is the mistake they made in underestimating Tesla.

    Also the temperament of Elon helped. He kept making impossible to believe claims. So they discounted everything he said. Had he been a staid stiff upper lip CEO, they might have taken him more seriously and started competing with him earlier. 11 years after the Roadster, still there is no electric roadster from any competition with comparable spec. 50 kWh battery, 240 mile range, peppy two seater.

    While the media circus he created kept focusing on his "failures". What he delivered in his "failures" were still stunning ground breaking trail blazing machines.

    The battery era is dawning. It is getting cheaper to store 1 GWh of electricity than to build an gas burning powerplant, in the usa! In deep mines, not having to suck out the diesel exhaust pays for the conversion to battery powered earth movers!

    At the price of 90 $/kWh BEV and ICEV will cost the same off the dealership, for a 300 mile range car. At that price indeterminacy of solar and wind would not be an issue. We are in for a great battery powered future.

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    1. Re:The secret master plan seems to be working by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The flaw is that battery density isn't going to double every seven years. Not going to happen. You guys were spoiled by transistor technology.

    2. Re:The secret master plan seems to be working by steveha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Nissan Leaf is very affordable if you buy one used... because the resale value plummets. A new Leaf is $30K and I can buy a low-mileage 2017 Leaf for $15K. A 2012 Leaf is $8K. For a second car, to be used in local driving, a used Leaf is a great value.

      A Tesla holds its value much better, perhaps partially because Tesla engineered active cooling in the battery pack so charging doesn't cook the cells. Teslas only lose about 1% battery capacity per year and they start with much higher capacities. Plus Tesla has the Supercharger network. A Tesla really can be your only car, even if you need or want to make long road trips.

      Note that the Model 3 costs more than the Leaf and is harder to get. Yet it's still outselling the Leaf. That's customers voting with their money. You may think that Nissan is doing a better job, but the market does not agree with you.

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    3. Re:The secret master plan seems to be working by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has already happened. The battery price has fallen by a factor of 16 in the last 28 years. It is expected to continue to fall to 60$/kWh in 2025. All hell will break loose when the price breaks through 90$/kWh automobiles total disruption, and then at 75$/kWh when solar/wind storage makes spot market for electricity vanish. Juicy margins of natural gas burning power plants come from that market. When it crashes through 60 $/kWh, domestic distributed storage will disrupt the utilities. Richer people will disconnect from the grid, and rest of the people still on the grid will face higher charges. More will defect. Utilities will follow the life cycle of bus lines and tram lines. All within the next 12 years.

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    4. Re: The secret master plan seems to be working by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When fuel and maintenance costs are $2,000 less per year than a comparable ICE, the $55k BEV ends up having the same TCO as a $25k ICE after 10 years, and likely has a higher resale value at the end of that term. Only a dumb idiot consumer such as yourself would fail to realize that.

  5. Re:I'll wait on the Chinese by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sales are always low in January, Tesla made a huge pre-tax credit phasedown push (although they've almost completely compensated for the credit reduction via cost savings since then), and they're focusing production on European and Chinese models - not simply for the ability to sell with a much higher ASP (very high take rates on M3P, for example), but because it's quite time critical due to the trade wars (March deadline for the renewal of tariffs against China, and next week a new ruling about whether to start a 90 day countdown to impose tariffs against Europe, which would also meet with retaliatory tariffs on the auto industry). There's now 7 RORO ships out there full of Model 3s, not counting the Glovis Captain which recently unloaded at Zeebrugge.

    Tesla always focuses on what's time critical. Before the US credit phasedown, that was the US. Now that it's 6 months until the next, smaller phasedown, the focus is on China and Europe.

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  6. Let's get this out of the way shall we by AlanObject · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The record.

    • Elon Musk is delusional and an egomaniac.
    • Tesla is out of cash. Will close the doors in six months tops.
    • Telsa's employees are in open revolt.
    • Elon Musk promises but never delivers.
    • Tesla's top executives are bailing.
    • EVs are more polluting than ICE cars anyway.
    • All the big automakers are going to eat Tesla's lunch. Tesla will never scale. And don't get me started on China.
    • Telsa quality control is complete crap worst ever.
    • Tesla cars catch fire all the time why would anyone buy one.
    • All Tesla's investors are suing the company and the SEC is going to put the company in receiverhip.

    Did I miss anything? For the past 4 years I have been reading all the above here on /. over and over and over again posted with absolute conviction any time the topic comes up. Anyone care to update or respond to the list?

    1. Re:Let's get this out of the way shall we by ledow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Everything above is an opinion, or unfounded.

      Look at facts.

      Tesla sold 250,000 cars worldwide in 2018 (of all different kinds).
      2018 saw 78,700,000 cars sold in 2018.

      Tesla represent 0.3% of the car market last year. And that's *just* last year. Overall, in terms of all the cars in the world, you can add a couple of zeroes after the dot.

      Electric cars, and Teslas in particular, are a teensy, tiny minority of all the cars out there, and a teensy proportion of new sales. You wouldn't know it from all the press they get, but they are less popular than Linux on desktop PC's (so, not counting Chromebooks, Android tablets, smartphones, etc.).

      To build on just ONE point that I happen to agree with (eating Tesla's lunch)

      Musk is a salesman. He sells a good pitch. But the giants can stamp on him any time they like. The fact is that they don't need to - he's not a threat. He can take the hit for all the problems of self-driving cars and electric cars, they can push out a token model to make it look like they're doing something, and thus put back that point where they have to convince petrolheads that a battery-powered EV with hardly any charging points (worldwide) is somehow a good choice for them. They're just waiting for the switch.

      To hear Musk (and others) speak, you'd think BMW are scrambling to catch up. They're not. They just don't care. Their EV models make them no more than Tesla, which is a drop in the ocean to them. It's chicken-feed to them, in a niche market. And one they can own any time they like.

      But while petroleum is still the primary fuel, they need to sell as much of that technology, patents, models and parts as possible until they can come up with a comparable car that would operate just as well in the real world in terms of charging, distance, etc.

      He's the guinea pig. He's taking the hit. For less than one tenth what they spend on R&D each year, they could put the entire company out of business.

      Not only do they know this, they want that. Because it can only go one of two ways: Either his name become synonymous with electric cars, and then they bring out one that's better than his, cheaper and with a big brand name on it. Or he crashes and burns and they point at him and go "There, you see?".

      He's just not a threat. And it's not four years down the line, it's 16. And he's still not a threat, despite being WAY ahead of where people expected him to actually get (shorting stock etc.). He funds the company from his own coffers, throwing it on stuff that Ford et al probably just have sitting in a lab somewhere. They don't sell it yet... that would be stupid, it would be copied in seconds and either flop or everyone would demand it and then it would become commodity. It's better to release your new product AFTER your competitor just spent all their time designing and releasing theirs. It helps your sales and as a benefit HURTS theirs right at the time they need to make their money back.

      Instead, they wait, and save it to one-up whoever does blink first. Maybe Ford or one of them won't make it another decade, like Kodak couldn't survive the transition to digital imaging. But for sure most of the others will. If anything they are much more worried about ditching diesels at the moment, or re-engineering them. Notice that the dieselgate was because they didn't want to admit that - to be within pollution guidelines - they had to dial back performance. They didn't want that to happen to their customers. And you think their customers would accept a Tesla in its place? Not yet.

      Tesla is a noisy sales company. "Disruptive", some call it. But it's just ripples in a pond to the major vehicle manufacturers who can out-manufacture, out-patent, out-engineer and out-sell Tesla whenever they want. That's why people were shorting Tesla - even if everything "goes right", they'll get bought up or shut down.

      I have seen orders of magnitude more cars on the road that I've never heard of, than Teslas. Tesla