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Elon Musk Announces That Raptor Engine Test Has Set New World Record (space.com)

Iwastheone shares a report from Space.com: A test fire of SpaceX's newest engine reached the power level necessary for the company's next round of rocket designs, CEO Elon Musk said on Twitter. "Raptor just achieved power level needed for Starship & Super Heavy," he tweeted on Feb. 7, four days after he shared a photograph of the first test of a flight-ready engine. [Musk added: "Raptor reached 268.9 bar today, exceeding prior record by the awesome Russian RD-180. Great work by @SpaceX engine/test team!"

The Raptor engine is designed to power the spaceship currently known as Starship as part of the rocket assembly currently known as Super Heavy (previously dubbed the BFR). The first Raptor test fire took place in September 2016, when the company was targeting an uncrewed Mars launch in 2018. Three Raptor engines like this one are built in to the Starship Hopper, which has been under construction in Texas and which SpaceX will use to begin testing the rocket technology in real life. Eventually, SpaceX plans to assemble 31 Raptor engines into the Super Heavy rockets, with another seven Raptors on the Starship itself.

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  1. Elon is exaggerting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The RD-181 has the record for the highest chamber pressure for a flown engine. (And the RD-180 is only a few psi behind, so I'm not going to slam Elon for mixing them up.)

    But the Raptor is currently a test-stand engine, and the record for tested engines is over 300 bar.

    Testing an engine at a higher pressure than it flies in order to demonstrate a safety margin is of course completely normal. Aerospace uses a lot smaller margins than the factor of 2 used in a lot of civil engineering, but I expect a test at at least 110% of flight pressure.

    So while this is an impressive demonstration worthy of praise, it is not any sort of record.

  2. Re:Signed up to go to Mars ? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just wish they'd hurry up and start recruiting space miners to go to the asteroid belt.

    You read too much sci-fi. IRL, when miners go to the asteroid belt, they will be robots, not humans.

    There is no practical reason to send humans beyond earth orbit. Robots don't need life support, they don't need expensive ultra-reliable gear, and they don't need to come back home.

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  3. Already far in the "diminishing returns" territory by ZombieEngineer · · Score: 4, Informative

    If I read de Laval nozzle equation correctly an increase in the combustion chamber pressure has minimal impact on the exhaust velocity (going from 260 Bar to 300 Bar has less than 1% improvement).

    Combustion chamber temperature is a far better indication of efficiency of the engine and has a far more direct impact of exhaust velocity than pressure.

    Credit where credit due - design requires 170 metric tonnes of force, test fire got 172 metric tonnes (design works as expected).

  4. Re:Already far in the "diminishing returns" territ by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

    Chamber pressure is correlated to both thrust (higher chamber pressure = higher mass flow rate) and efficiency (and thus ISP, see here).

    AFAIK, thrust density is the more key factor here, at least for Super Heavy (the first stage). There's a sort of "maximum height" to a rocket stage which relates to the thrust density. Your ability to pack more engines into the rocket corresponds to the rocket's cross section at the base. These engines in turn have to lift a column of liquid sitting above them; each engine can be viewed as having to lift the portion of the column of liquid directly above it (in addition to dead mass and payload). Eventually you get to a height where the mass of liquid (plus overhead) above each engine equals the thrust, and you don't move at all. The higher the thrust density of your engines, the taller you can realistically make that stage, the more fuel it can carry, and - for a given ratio of lower stage mass to upper stage mass - the heavier the payload it can launch (for a given dV). Other options to increase rocket upper stage masses come with disadvantages, such as making the rocket higher diameter (more air resistance) or adding strap-on boosters (more air resistance, more complexity, more work in recovery for reuse).

    Thrust density is primarily of importance for lower stages (which is why you don't see many hydrolox lower stages without boosters), and why strap-on boosters (incl. very high thrust density solid rocket boosters) are commonly added to the first stages of large rockets. Thrust density limits are also why small rockets tend to be shaped like pencils (very high aspect ratio) while large rockets tend to be fatter, particularly at the base. For upper stages, ISP is of greater importance.

    Also, for a rocket of a given (constant) height, improving its engines' thrust density comes with another advantage: they burn through their fuel faster and deliver the stage's dV faster. While there are limits to how fast you want to do this in the lower atmosphere, once you're past max-Q, more thrust is better (up to the G-force limits of your payload/passengers), as it means lower gravity losses.

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  5. Re:Comparison to Saturn V rockets by nojayuk · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Saturn V's first-stage engines were crude and inefficient due to problems scaling up the engineering of smaller rocket motors, with bodges added to solve difficulties with the flow of oxidiser and fuel into the engine. The Soviet solution was to use multiple smaller injection systems in separate combustion chambers.

    By the late 1960s the Isp figure for LOX/RP fuels was about what we can get today, 300s-plus at sea level for well-designed engines like the RD-170 derivatives (the F1's sea-level Isp was 263s by comparison). The big steps made in rocket engineering are design and materials. The structures are lighter but stronger since the CAD tools allow better understanding of where to add mass and where to remove it without lessening strength, rigidity, resistance to vibration, heat dissipation and other factors. The engines are modelled and tested in simulation a long time before any metal is bent or additively-fabricated, the shapes and structures can be more complex thanks to new manufacturing processes, new alloys and composite materials are available etc. etc.