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YouTube To Blame For Rise in Flat Earth Believers, Says Study (cnet.com)

According to research, almost everyone who believes in flat Earth theory got started on YouTube. From a report: Asheley Landrum is an assistant professor of science communication at Texas Tech University. Her focus: how cultural values affect our understanding of science. Most recently she's been looking at the rise of flat Earth theory. Incredibly, more people than ever believe in a flat Earth. Google searches for "flat earth" have grown massively over the past five years and flat Earth conventions have begun popping up all over the globe. That's where Landrum focused her research. Landrum interviewed 30 people who attended one flat Earth convention and found that all but one became flat Earthers after watching videos on YouTube.

She presented her research at an event run by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. While Landrum didn't explicitly blame YouTube for the rise in flat Earth believers, she does believe that Google could be doing more to stop the spread of scientifically incorrect ideas. "There's a lot of helpful information on YouTube but also a lot of misinformation," she said, as reported by The Guardian. "Their algorithms make it easy to end up going down the rabbit hole, by presenting information to people who are going to be more susceptible to it."

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  1. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of the flat earthers I've met are really just trolling other people.

    If the number of "believers" is going up then it might be that the number of critical thinkers is going up.

    On the other hand it could also be that I don't hang round with the other end of the spectrum and it really is the number of idiots that's going online to confirm their beliefs that's going up.

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    1. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing? by Sique · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I caution against the "I doubt it" as a way to profile oneself as critical thinker.

      Doubt is just a version of belief, albeit a belief in the negative. As Henri Poincaré eloquently pointed out: believing everything and doubting everything are equally convenient ways to avoid the work of actual thinking.

      A critical thinker has to be able to do both: list the pro- and the counter-arguments and weigh them against each other. A critical thinker has to be able to argue both sides, and to really understand the consequences of each hypothesis. And he has to be able to think of alternate third hypotheses to not fall into the false dilemma trap (e.g. there is not only Darwinism and Biblical Creationism, there is also the Flying Spaghetti Monster).

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    2. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of the flat earthers I've met are really just trolling other people.

      How do you know?

      There is very little difference between an idiot and someone who pretends to be an idiot.
      To the extent where there is absolutely no reason for anyone to make the distinction and treat them differently.

    3. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle, believing in flat earth or other kinds of extreme nonsense has nothing to do with "critical thinking"!

      Critical thinking is the cradle of science and technology the road out from the dark ages, feudalism and authoritarianism, do not credit these cretins with any such description. What they are doing is the exact opposite, they are placing themselves or someone else who they trust as a higher authority to blindly believe in rather than trusting in science. Their choice is to avoid thinking, particularly critically, at all, not thinking critically!

    4. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does it matter what they really believe in their heart-of-hearts?

      Someone might not believe that there are literal angels or that when they die they are literally tortured for eternity, but that doesn't really matter if the result is the same, e.g. they support religion based policies and morality stemming for those ideas.

      Believing in a flat earth may seem somewhat benign, but if it results in more impressionable people being mislead (e.g. children) or people using it to enrich themselves by organizing profitable conferences, then it's not just a joke any more.

      As Sique pointed out above, it's not a gateway to critical thinking either, it's a gateway to post-truth distrust of everything except what you can personally observe with your limited faculties.

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    5. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing? by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All of those people ultimately believe that they are being lied to in one way or another, which is not unreasonable.

      There is no important difference between guessing the authorities are telling the truth and guessing the authorities are lying, if you are too mentally lazy to consider the topic in a non-superficial way. That is not "critical thinking".

      Critical thinking means coming up with a coherent set of thoughts, supported by some amount of evidence, that is more likely to reveal the truth than pure guessing.

      If you believe the people around you are sheep who are not thinking, dyeing your wool to be a more garish colored sheep who is also not thinking is not an improvement. In fact, it is sincere endorsement of sheep-thinking.

    6. Re:Is this a good thing or a bad thing? by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you need God to act morally, you're not acting morally. You're just acting out of fear or hope for reward. I have a lot more respect for the person who acts kindly out of love for his fellow man than I do the person who acts kindly because they think God is going to reward them for it.

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  2. Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't think these people really believe in a flat Earth.

    They do it because it pisses off the "critical thinker/debunker" and "academic" types. They're very easy targets for something like this because they know they'll get a reaction (and don't understand they're being trolled).

    1. Re:Trolls by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think they're trolling. Most, if not all, flat earthers are religious. Science makes their believes less relevant, and therefore scientific thinking should be rejected.

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  3. Re:Democracy was a nice dream by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it!
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    Or, as I tend to put it, the collective IQ of a group can be determined by taking the IQ of the biggest idiot and dividing by the number of feet.

    The only thing the internet changed was that no loonie is alone anymore. Before the internet, anyone who had some batshit crazy outlook on life got a pretty quick reality check when his tinfoil hattery hit the reality of the rest of the world around him. Now it's easier than ever to find others who believe the same bullshit.

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  4. The article headline is highly misleading by kgroombr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    YouTube is not to blame for people believing that the world is flat. There are many posts that argue both sides, so if a person watched and listened to both sides of the argument, then they could formulate their own opinion. The problem is that people tend to sway to things they already believe in, and support their ideology, so they are typically getting only one side of the argument; thus, it reinforces what they already want to believe. YouTube is to blame for this, like a spoon is to blame for making me fat.

    1. Re:The article headline is highly misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The real problem is not youtube, as a giant repository of video on all kinds of things. The real problem is the algorithm that suggests videos for watching. The algorithm is probably right as it is, if someone enjoys flat earth stuff they may very well enjoy more flat earth stuff. I guess that youtube could modify the suggestion algorithm to offer pro's and con's for subjects but that almost certainly would piss people off too. Imagine someone who watched a video named "Why X fails" seeing suggestions of "Why X is great" for a bunch of values of X.

      This is the problem with all social media that suggests similar topics. Users get suggested more and more articles of a similar nature. They have to manually search for the videos named "Arguments against the earth being flat".

  5. Slashdot Headlines by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    YouTube To Blame For Rise in Flat Earth Believers, Says Study

    While Landrum didn't explicitly blame YouTube for the rise in flat Earth believers

    When your headline is so inaccurate that it is contradicted right in the summary...

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  6. That's Not Critical Thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A critical thinker has to be able to do both: list the pro- and the counter-arguments and weigh them against each other.

    That's all fine and dandy. But nothing in your post actually defines critical thinking. The keyword here is critical. Which is not about making up lists of arguments and explanations - anybody can do that. Its about judging the quality of those arguments. Which for most people means evaluating the source of the argument, the qualifications and trustworthiness of the people making the arguments as well as things like logical consistency (of both the argument and the people making the argument). The fact is, truth is NOT self-evident and anyone who tells you that probably doesn't want you to critically evaluate them.

    99% of the time we are not experts in the topics being debated, so we are left with critical evaluations of arguments based on external factors. Understanding how and why we evaluate those factors is central to critical thinking.

    Media literacy, in particular, is a key component of critical thinking in the internet era. The reason youtube is causing a rise in people believing in conspiracy theories like a flat-earth is because youtube is designed to maximize "engagement" and conspiracy theories are like crack for the unsophisticated - especially those who feel dis-empowered in their lives (and who doesn't feel that way at least some times?) So youtube's algorithms reward ($$$) people who make conspiracy theory videos, which induces the creation of even more conspiracy theory videos.

    In other words, the people making videos for youtube have strong incentives to be manipulative and completely dishonest because that's what youtube's algorithm rewards. The people consuming those videos aren't thinking about how those rewards degrade the trustworthiness of the video makers. Fundamentally its all a grift. A billion dollar grift. Its also the same business model as talk radio which has been lucrative AF for grifters too.

  7. Critical Thinking Skills by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is not just a "you tube" problem, we've entered a period of anti-intellectual tribalism. It's not just "flat eathers", we have an increase in "climate change deniers", Washington State declared a measles emergency - from anti-vaxers.. We have FauxNoise, Breitbart and Alex Jones constantly spouting "conspiracy" and "deep state" nonsense. Scientists are vilified and personally attacked - . Many can no longer differentiate what they like or what the tribe mentality is vs VS fact and truth.

  8. Re:What exactly is "mainstream" ? by Sique · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But also not "the not true". It's mainstream. You can believe it. You can doubt it. Both positions are equally easy and don't need any thinking.

    Actually dissecting which parts of mainstream knowledge is true (for a workable version of true) and which are not, is tedious work, and no single person will manage it during their lifetime completely.

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