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Trump Directs Pentagon To Create Space Force Legislation for Congress (wsj.com)
President Donald Trump signed a directive on Tuesday that ordered the Department of Defense to create a Space Force as a sixth military branch. From a report: With a directive signed Tuesday, Mr. Trump was positioning the Space Force much as the Marine Corps fits into the Navy, officials said, with the result being lower costs and less bureaucracy. The plan would require congressional approval. Mr. Trump is to propose funding in his proposed 2020 budget, and spell out a goal of eventually establishing the Space Force as a separate military department, a senior administration official said. "Space, that's the next step and we have to be prepared," said Mr. Trump, who added that adversaries were training forces and developing technology. "I think we'll have great support from Congress."
The order Mr. Trump signed, Space Policy Directive 4, calls for a legislative proposal by the secretary of defense to establish a chief of staff of the Space Force within the Air Force. That officer would be a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to an outline. There also be a new under secretary of defense for space to be appointed by the president. The proposal calls for the Space Force to organize, train and equip personnel to defend the U.S. in space, to provide independent military options for "joint and national leadership" and "enable the lethality and effectiveness of the joint force," according to the administration's outline.
The order Mr. Trump signed, Space Policy Directive 4, calls for a legislative proposal by the secretary of defense to establish a chief of staff of the Space Force within the Air Force. That officer would be a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to an outline. There also be a new under secretary of defense for space to be appointed by the president. The proposal calls for the Space Force to organize, train and equip personnel to defend the U.S. in space, to provide independent military options for "joint and national leadership" and "enable the lethality and effectiveness of the joint force," according to the administration's outline.
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But with recent readings about how China really seems to be upping their space game, and apparently looking to set up a base on the moon, this actually might not be a bad idea.
China is definitely doing military groundwork for space, and we don't want to be caught with our pants too far down.
And this actually might boost conventional space progress for us...something we've lost over the past decades.
If you have military $$ behind it, it might give the regular NASA stuff a boost too.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Bless his heart...
"No bucks, no Buck Rogers"
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Can Trump declare another National Emergency?
Maybe, now that national emergencies can be handed out like candy and resources reallocated from their intended porpoises to other species.
A Space Force could help to build the new Donaldson Sphere.
A Donaldson Sphere is a mega structure that surrounds the earth. Sort of a planetary wall. To keep aliens out. And make the aliens pay for it.
But it has secondary benefits. While it would keep out all sunlight from the earth, this would result in the need to burn more clean coal for energy. All of those left wing liberal solar panels aren't going to work so well with a Donaldson Sphere protecting the planet from sunlight.
It's a great plan! What could go wrong? It's a fantastic use of resources. The best resources. The most brilliant plan, I tell you. Trust me. People call all the time saying that we should build the Donaldson Sphere. Believe me. It would be the biggest bestest project that shows how great American truly is.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
I'm sure the Pentagon can find an underused broom closet to hang the Space Force sign on.
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
Mystery Red of the Great American Eclipse
It has blood on it!
ABCNews: Eclipse makes pendulum wander
Losing my religion
there will also be a Space Cadet Corps.
Have gnu, will travel.
We will have a manned outpost on the Moon soon, and Musk will have his Mars colony up and running soon too. It is time to start thinking about this. Also, once we put factories in space they will need to be defended.
I'm not sure which color shirt I want to try for at this point. Definitely not the red one, though.
Please oh please, I hope the Space Cadets of the eventual military Space Academy adopt Duck Dodgers of the 24.5 century as the official mascot.
to a whole new frontier!
Does that mean that they are going to have to rebuild The Pentagon as a six sided building of six nested hexagons each of which is six floors high ?
Could anyone suggest a nickname for this new building ?
weaponizing space helps nobody except the Military Industrial Complex. We had treaties to prevent this sort of thing.
Defense is a moot point now. Pakisitan keeps turning a blind eye to domestic terrorists in India and nothing ever comes of it because the ruling class isn't going to let you and me have another big war and break all the stuff they own. Unless globalism breaks down completely we're done with World Wars.
You won't see much new research out of this because the point isn't get get ahead of the curve or to defend the nation or even to attack others. The point is to soak up taxpayer dollars and distract from the ever worsening economy. Works too.
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You have no idea about any of this. Your opine is head in ass bullshit in defense of a moronic traitor. Trump is clueless, and you're just his butler.
This is clearly the next step in the complicated multi-year plot to send Trump's hair back home.
Call it SG1 to get more vote!
As soon as Trump stops lying about his Russia connections, mob financing, lies about Koshoggi, etc. Then we'll be happy to stop discussing the traitor on office.
Fuck off until then, whiny faggot traitor apologist.
This is partially an effort to keep the Air Force leadership from taking money away from military space issues. Mike Griffin is a proponent of a 'Space Force', and he has a lot of experience on the military side of things.
Without even looking I can bet the WSJ never referred to Obama as 'Mr. Obama'.
I do not belong to the church of the lowercase 'i'
in 2020. I don't want war with Iran. Or Venezuela. And I'd love to put a stop to the 7 or 8 wars we're in now.
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Between the Air Force and the Marines this could be covered, we don't need a special separate branch of our military to do this.
The Canadian border has many more illegal entries, than the sky border. Considering how few illegal aliens from the sky are having anchor babies, or are on welfare, it does not make sense to spend much on patrolling the sky border of the USA.
I'm on it. I'll be trying to get a contract to provide our loyal, space troupers with phased plasma rifles in the 20, 40 and 100 watt range. I expect the R&D to be extraordinarily expensive.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
If there's no oil in space, then they're wasting their time and money.
Regardless of whatever merits this space force may or may not have, isn't it a bit late for this president to be trying to change the subject and introduce ideas or policy?
Let's finish resolving the criminal cases before we listen to Trump as though he were a politician. The evidence against him is overwhelming, and in the unlikely event that he really didn't know what his family and everyone working for him was doing, he can clear it all up quickly by talking to the prosecutors under oath about his conversations with the other conspirators, publishing his income tax returns and other proof that he really divested all his hotels to avoid violating the emoluments clause, explaining where the inauguration's laundered money went and what favors he owes for which foreign bribes, explaining why he does everything Putin asks, etc.
Until that happens, there isn't anything else to talk about with Trump, and nothing else that any of us want to hear from him. The investigations are everything. What are there, now six run by the feds (not counting the states starting to get involved with the tax evasion)?
You wanna talk about space force? No. If you were chasing a shoplifter and he suddenly shouted behind him, "I have an idea for a perpetual motion machine," would you listen to his idea, or would ignore it and proceed with tackling him, cuffing him and booking him? If Trump has anything to say to us, it needs to be about his role as a criminal suspect, not as a wanna-be president. Either confess so we can get it all over with, or start explaining how all the evidence might be incorrect.
If he's innocent, it shouldn't be too hard to explain a few things, leaving Mueller to slap his forehead and say, "ooh, I never thought of that! Maybe you really are innocent!" Who knows, whatever the misunderstanding is, it might also clear Cohen's and Manafort's names too. Doesn't anyone care that they're about to start doing serious time?
RESOLVE THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS BEFORE TALKING POLITICS OR VISION.
the force is female lol
a narcissistic obese white man. Air Force does it already. Requiring the Air Force to interface with another organizations means increased communication problems making America weaker, a great win for non-Americans. Let's just rename the Air Force to Space Force for a win for Donny, a win for America and a non-win for those who want to see us weakened.
Really? I get it that you hate Trump, but tearing up treaties that our near peer competitors have been routinely violating makes sense. There is no good reason to hamstring ourselves when the Chinese and Russians are no longer subtle about violating the treaties. The Russians tested an IRBM that violates SALT II. Do nothing about it is a really fucking stupid approach. The Chinese are weaponizing space, and they don't give a fuck about treaties. They've already weaponized the WTO and blatantly cheat. Get your head out of your ass and realize that preserving our culture and nation is much, much more important than hating Trump.
I wonder what Russia, China, Brazil and India would think of this (just to name a few).
There's an international treaty preventing the militarization of space. If that gets violated we get all kinds of nasty things hovering above our heads. I don't want an arms race in space.
What will happen when someone who is trigger happy comes to power in a country possessing space weapons?
It exists, already.
From a conversation among the grownups. Something modeled on the Coast Guard rather than the Air Force since we have regulatory compliance, defense and force projection.
https://spacenews.com/space-fo...
Northam suggested in a proposed law in VA that at birth a woman could say she wanted an abortion, they would give birth, make sure the baby was comfortable, and if the woman still wanted an abortion they would kill it.
Not sure why you liberals have such a fucking hard on for killing babies, but you are deranged.
Video of him saying it
Go ahead call me a liar you fucking baby killer.
A world where Trump has no money, and his 5 guard secret service agents are just outside his cell.
... would be to develop X-Wing fighters, right?
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your president is a space kadet.
... coke head in chief.
Remember the other goddam memo you sent last week to look in every nook and cranny and office couch and vending machine for money for your GODDAM wall?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The evidence against [Trump] is overwhelming
The secret evidence that only you have seen? The evidence against HRC is public record, and a tarmac meeting with former president WJC made investigations into HRC all go away.
You obviously have never read a book because you think public libraries are socialism. (and in that sense, they are.) You're a fucking moron. Government programs are very often socialist whether you understand terms or not.
Uneducated Trump faggots, lol. Throw them in prison and let them learn to read.
(pronounced "doo-see'-pa")
Department of United States Extra-Planetary Affairs
Sounds a hell of a lot less juvenile than "Space Force".
My 2c.
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So many U.S. military systems make use of space-based resources that their destruction would have an immediate and profound effect on our ability to defend our own country or win in war elsewhere.
Furthermore, we are on the verge of launching a number of missions to the Moon, Mars, and Deep Space by a number of different commercial agencies. We need infrastructure up there and defensive capabilities. ESA is working on a permanent Moon base, ULA is working on a permanently manned space station for zero-G manufacturing and refueling. China is eyeing the very limited spaces with water-ice on the Moon and the harvesting of the Moon's helium-3 for nuclear reactors (Earth's uranium supplies are running low). And of course, there is Blue Origin and SpaceX and others pushing hard toward the Moon, Mars, and deep space in general.
However, I suggest this be done a little differently.
(1) The Air Force's Space Command should be made into a separate branch of the Air Force with its own independent budget. It's primary missions should be data collection and orbital asset protection. These assets are a cornerstone of U.S. survivability, in terms of communications, navigation, and threat identification. The Air Force's Space Command already performs this mission and the Air Force is best equipped to respond to identified threats in this area.
(2) The Department of Homeland Security should be given the additional mission of missile and infiltration defense. It needs its own independent budget and focus on the now vastly growing threat of medium range and cruise missiles with tactical nuclear warheads. This is a huge vulnerability that Russia is working very aggressively to exploit. The gap simply must be filled -- quickly. We need short/medium range missile defenses all around the country -- manned 24x7. They also need for develop capabilities to knock out hypersonic weapons. Russia has hypersonic weapons (early versions) and their bombers are capable of dropping dozens of tactical nuclear cruise missiles, at a time. These could be quite crippling in a surprise attack on U.S. based military command and control plus other pivotal resources.
(3) The Navy should be given the additional mission of deep space rescue and exploration. However, it does not yet need a new sub-agency with its own budget as we are only beginning commercial deep space ventures, today. Do we really want Moon colonies, Mars colonies, and deep space asteroid mining assets left defenseless with no ability to response to attack? Those space resources are likely to become essential economic resources in the decades to come. The Navy is by far the best for this mission as their core competency is in far away, self-reliant, missions amid small spaces and limited resources. Submarines are not unlike deep space vessels. The Navy knows how to keep up morale and professionalism, in addition to survival and mission preparedness.
On a side note, I also think the Navy and particularly U.S. Army aviation should seriously reconsider dirigible airships (Zeppelins). Not only has material sciences improved by leaps and bounds to make these ships safer, faster, and more survivable but recent advances in active armor and close range laser defenses should make them almost invulnerable to attack. The blimp that flew over Baghdad for years in Iraq was never shot down, even without active armor. Army Airships could absolutely take command as they sweep over enemy held territory or insurgents in the rear... with high tech sensors, armed drone dropships, and special operation commando forces.
So I'd like to put my hand up to tender on the design of said pending "Space Force" uniforms.
I have an idea the uniform will be mostly white, with hints of black at the joints. Made from an acrylic-like substance in glossy white. It will include a helmet in same material and colors that can filter for smoke particles.
My price is cheap, only $USD1 billion for first 100,000 clones...err uniforms.
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on the moon. That must be a national emergency too.
Why not resurrect the old one? Oh, wait... nevermind.
Would you like to know more?
I thought Republicans were for smaller government. Oh that's right they just say that then spend like drunken sailors. With the Whitehouse and both houses of Congress the Republicans could not pass a balanced budget ammendment. Tells you all you need to know.
Space Ghost!
No. There's evidence that other people have seen but the public hasn't, but every single person who has been briefed on it (even Devin Nunes) knew for sure that the president is definitely nailed beyond the slightest doubt. This is what scared Nunes so much that he had to join the coverup (possibly implicating himself).
But there is also non-secret evidence, that every single person who has been following the news has seen, where we already have enough to prove some crimes by Disgraced President Donald Trump. 1) The obstruction of justice was done openly and we know for sure that the president is definitely guilty. 0% chance of aquittal. 2) The inauguration money laundering and bribery case's evidence has much of its evidence in public. He's definitely guilty on that one too, but the public doesn't yet have all the details about who bribed him. (That's going to be fun to watch. You should start following the news!) 3) As for the emoluments violation, that sure looks like a slam-dunk case from what we've seen in public, but there's always a chance that the president has been lying when he brags about breaking that law. 4) But the public evidence of the bigger conspiracy crime, hasn't implicated the president yet. It has only implicated a bunch of people who worked for him and most of his family. We know for sure that they're guilty, and some have already been convicted. Classic mob boss rollup. Trump is looking pretty fucked, much like what happened to his pal Gotti.
I'm going to take a wild guess that this "HRC" person you're obsessed with is Hillary Clinton; if it's a person on the president's staff please correct me. (You're talking about her as though she is, but the initials really look like a reference to Clinton.)
If you think there is evidence of criminal wrongdoing by her, you should defintely cite it and bring it to law enforcement's attention, because nobody else has seen it yet. Please, come forward. So far, all the "evidence" against her turned out to be useless, where any prosecutor who looks at it shrugs and says "We've got nothin' here." The evidence hasn't even supplied enough probable cause to probe for more evidence. There just isn't reason to suspect a crime yet, but if you know something that hasn't been covered in the news yet, speak up. You might be the person who finally takes down that monarchy. The Republicans weren't ever able to find anything, though. And they tried desperately, crying wolf too many times so they had no reputation left, which is why a RINO was able to come in and take the presidential nomination away from them.
Contrast that, to the evidence againts that RINO, where every prosecutor who sees even just what is in public so far gets a huge hardon and says, "Why can't my job as a prosecutore be as easy as what Mueller and SDNY get to do?" Every time they are shown a crime and dig deeper into it, they uncover new crimes. Trump is Easy Mode, and could be done by students in Prosecution 101, but we have America's top guy doing it. What a slaughter!!
Best of all, the president lies and makes all his people lie, so once they get investigated, they all end up even deeper in trouble than where they started. The president's campaign manager could have gotten off with only about ten years, if he had just confessed once he was caught. Instead, now the president's right hand man is looking at 19-24. Niiice.
And Mueller has been advocating sentences in proportion to responsibility and power, so if Manafort is getting approx 20, that means Disgraced President Donald Trump is going to get even more. Thus, my point that we should just be talking about his criminal cases instead of political issues and whatever distracting thing he says he wants to spend taxpayer money on.
Trump just wants his name attached to stuff in the history books. Just like how Kennedy comes up in all the movies about the moon landing. That is what the wall and Space Force is really about. It would be awesome if Space Force doesnâ(TM)t become a thing until a future president does it.
Would you like to know more?
Oh wow, some others have stated it's inevitable! Well, it must be true! I read it on the internet! #facepalm
The voting majority of people don't want a wall with Mexico; just the clown that's at Mar-a-Lago way too much.
The marines are quite happy to be part of the navy; none of them will shy away from the fact. They also have constant contact with and support from sailors. Almost all the medics servicing the marines are actually navy sailors. They get navy medals. They have sailors on the org charts in their buildings. They often use navy ships and it's normal for them to attend navy technical schools.
They like to joke that they're the men's department
I'm shocked to be on dumpty's side today.
Great again at any cost or at any definition of it.
Il was watching Star Trek Discovery season 2 and The Terran empress was so "Great" that she survived season 1. After all, her spartan Earth, or Terra, had already conquered its Milky Way while the Federation was just hesitating about a "Vulcan Hello" or not to the Klingons. So the empress was well qualified for the hidden space force.
I personnaly don-t think the US can be both great and déterrent. Because if they want to be that great beast combination (they can) then the escalation stops when that greatness too is retaliable for deterrence. And in the the previous era, US greatness itself was not at stake. I think of the founding fathers as normal free masons, enlightened, like "away team" from their temples.
What is really great in space ? space has no war history, maybe a cold war one, with spying satellites. The people behind the triggers of actual spying satellites are motivated by evidence gathering, a counterpart of Hubble or James Webb telescopes. Its like in the NRA's logic, if you put a military force behind the gun its for killing opponents, if you put a mom behind the gun its for protecting her childrens.
So is an X-37 style force even tolerable in space ? First for gathering evidences about opponents activities and then as armed autonomous space planes ? No, I think it is absurd in the first place to depend on a war free space to win a ground-based war. Its like saying that Apollo's crew, the first men, were fighter pilots in the first place. I think the X-37 fate is just an illustration of NRA logic, from a spaceship for Nasa to an X-wing for Darpa to a space reconnaissance plane for Air Force to a gun for Space Force.
So being a great beast is not really great. I really dislike the feelling of an Earth forever boasting of conquering the galaxy with fire and fury machines. But know its because I had never boasted for any good enough reason.
Ignoring the first section of that post, the main roles of the Coast Guard are to keep our waterways safe and stop smuggling, neither of which currently applies to space. It may be useful to create a United States Space Force in fifty years, but right now it's a dumb idea.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
First of all, do you think that "people... are ignorant?" How about more like people are paying attention?
Trump is exactly the wrong person to lead this issue. What Trump wants is the zingy name, a distraction from his failures, and for people not to notice he has no funding. This has nothing whatsoever to do with "...very qualified military leaders, policy makers and analysts...". In fact Trump regularly disparages those people, or haven't you noticed?
You are confusing your dreams about space with how to go about achieving those dreams. Trump's best-case scenario on this policy item? He doesn't completely fuck it up. The military doesn't particularly want a "Space Force", and it definitely doesn't want an unfunded Space Force. They are being placed in a no-win situation where they may have to take funding from other approved programs, things that budget officers and military administrators probably fought for years to get money, and suddenly that money is gone.
Trump wants Wall. Trump wants Space Force. Trump wants trade wars. Trump wants pussy. Trump wants Putin's approval. Trump wants a hamberder with covfefe. See a pattern here? Invest in wannabe dictators, you get hundred foot statues to their egos.
No, I don't suppose you do see the pattern.