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House Opens Inquiry Into Proposed US Nuclear Venture In Saudi Arabia (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The New York Times: President Trump's former national security adviser and other White House officials pushed a venture to bring nuclear power plants to Saudi Arabia over repeated legal and ethical warnings that potential conflicts of interest around the plan could put American security at risk, concluded a new report from House Democrats released on Tuesday. The 24-page report from the House Oversight and Reform Committee outlined actions taken in the early weeks of the Trump administration to secure government backing to have American companies build dozens of nuclear power plants across Saudi Arabia, potentially at the risk of spreading nuclear weapons technology. But House Democrats said there was evidence that as recently as last week, the White House was still considering the proposal.

Claims presented by whistle-blowers and White House documents obtained by the committee show that the company backing the nuclear plan, IP3 International, and its allies in the White House were working so closely that the company sent a draft memo to the former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, to circulate just days after the inauguration. Mr. Flynn had worked on the plan for IP3 during the Trump campaign and transition, the Democrats said, and continued to advocate for it in the White House. Even after Mr. Flynn left the White House in February 2017, officials on the National Security Council pushed ahead, the Democrats said, ignoring advice from the N.S.C.'s ethics counsel and other lawyers to cease all work on the plan because of potentially illegal conflicts. At a March 2017 meeting, a National Security Council aide tried to revive the IP3 plan "so that Jared Kushner can present it to the President for approval," the Democratic report said, a reference to Mr. Trump's son-in-law and top adviser. The draft memo also referenced another close Trump associate, Thomas J. Barrack, who served as chairman of the president's inaugural committee. It said that Mr. Trump had appointed Mr. Barrack as a special representative to implement the plan, which it called "the Middle East Marshall Plan." The memo also directed agencies to support Mr. Barrack's efforts.

155 comments

  1. Post the same on Uranium One for credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Pretty damn sure Jussie Smollett pretty much made a mockery of the claim that the media isn't biased

    1. Re:Post the same on Uranium One for credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that as if Fox News hadn't spent the last decade decade proving it beyond the shadow of a doubt.

    2. Re:Post the same on Uranium One for credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the good old Uranium One whackjob conspiracy theory.

  2. Power to the people by spinitch · · Score: 0

    Come on ;/

  3. Why are Democrats so racist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are they implying that Arabs cannot be trusted with nuclear materials? So intolerant and hateful...

    1. Re:Why are Democrats so racist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, this is a no brainer and the U.S. should definitely drop the bomb there.
      I mean, aren't they the country that funded / supported the 9/11 terrorists?

    2. Re:Why are Democrats so racist? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Iranians are Persian, not Arabic. Why are you so racist if you care about how racist other people are? Is it possible you're more racist than you yourself find acceptable, but are somehow completely unaware of your bullshit double-standard?

    3. Re:Why are Democrats so racist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is about Saudi Arabia, not Iran, Einstein. RTFS.

    4. Re: Why are Democrats so racist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes they are. So unless the plan is to sabotage those reactors in a way that makes the Saudis blow themselves up, this is complete shit. It's treason to be giving them anything.

  4. So let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The US is freaking out about Iran and their nuclear ambitions (and rightly so), but they will build nukes all over saudi arabia, the perpetrators of 911?
    How does that make any sense what so ever?

    1. Re:So let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only $ense : It enriches Trump's corporate allies (traitors including Flynn) who are heavily invested, and makes Trump that much more useful to the Saudi royals, whom he expects to repay him personally as well.

    2. Re:So let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does that make any sense what so ever?

      The Americans voted for a crminal congenital idiot. They got in full what they voted for. It's a little bit too late to be having buyer's remorse.

    3. Re:So let me get this straight by jeff4747 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Obama de facto giving Iran - and the crazy medieval trolls that run it - a path to nuclear weapons

      Note: Believing this statement requires ignoring:
      1) The laws of physics - you can't remove the radioactive evidence in 20 days.
      2) The inspection system that was successful up until Trump stopped it.
      3) That the Iranians built their facilities under a few different mountains, so no one can actually stop them using military force. Leaving diplomatic agreements as the only possible way to get Iran to not build a nuke.
      4) That Iraq was a totally wonderful achievement for the US, and invading Iran would be even better!!
      5) That Trump's utterly moronic approach to the situation has removed all barriers to an Iranian nuclear weapon.

      So, naturally, there's lots of MAGA hats who fervently believe it.

    4. Re:So let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me any evidence that the Saudi government perpetrated 911. Unless you believe that jet fuel can't burn, you're going to quickly reach the conclusion that the rest of the intelligent world did, that Bin Laden had already been ostracized by the ruling party and effectively exiled. Now, you're going to pull the standard "royal family" line, but in your proud progressive ignorance, you don't realize that they're a tribal people, and all of the Saudis are part of the royal family; that's what makes them Sauds. Go back to your NY Times propaganda and whitewash Iranian militias finishing their ethnic cleansing in Mosul, laying land mines in Yeme after overthrowing the government, and launching rockets at civilians in Israel. Saudi has some serious issues, but the Iranian government has been funding and training terrorists longer than you've been alive.

    5. Re:So let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The US is freaking out about Iran and their nuclear ambitions (and rightly so), but they will build nukes all over saudi arabia, the perpetrators of 911?
      How does that make any sense what so ever?

      That fact you don't have the capacity to distinguish between Saudi Arabia and AL Qaeda makes you a great target for the left. You'll just eat up whatever they feed you.

      Have fun in your blissfulness. Here's a snack!

    6. Re:So let me get this straight by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the USA and Saudi Arabia have always been good friends. With the decades of oil, with supporting Afghanistan against the Soviet Union.
      Lots of US weapons sales. Lots of US tech exported and staff in Saudi Arabia.

      The USA cant get past the optics of the US embassy and the Iran hostage crisis. The image of the C130 tanker aircraft.
      Saudi Arabia as a friend of the USA for many decades gets turn key nuclear power.

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    7. Re:So let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the US doesn't seem capable of distinguishing between Afghanistan and Iraq so I'd say he is still ahead of you.

    8. Re:So let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not suppose to make sense, republicans have added about 10 new levels to the hypocrisy scale.

    9. Re:So let me get this straight by dave420 · · Score: 1

      That this is moderated as "Troll" speaks volumes about slashdot. Oh my how the times have changed.

    10. Re: So let me get this straight by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Obama delivered at least $33 billion dollars to Iran, much of it in unmarked cargo planes in the middle of the night.

      No, actually it was a wire transfer. The Shah's government put some money in US banks, and we impounded it when the revolution happened in 1979. Part of the deal was to return the money to the current government of Iran.

      It turns out when you're making a diplomatic agreement, you have to give the other side a reason to agree.

      You have to be an absolute fucking evil piece of shit to hand-wave that, and the subsequent death of thousands which it paid for.

      You seem to be under the illusion that Iran does not make a shitload of money selling oil on the open market. You also seem to be unaware that religious fanatics will kill for a very low price.

    11. Re:So let me get this straight by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Reality has a well-known liberal bias, so it's perfectly understandable that pointing out reality must be trolling.

  5. Drain the swamp, right kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A violation of the Atomics Act, completely rejected and rebuffed by the Security Council, and yet still being pushed despite secretly set to enrich Trump's cronies. #Drain the swamp and sell the country to the Saudis.

    1. Re:Drain the swamp, right kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sell the country to the Saudis

      Not much left after what Obama already sold to them and the Chinese.

    2. Re:Drain the swamp, right kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry stupid GOP faggots, this is about reactors and weapons. Learn to read Trumptards before we hang you either way, traitors.

    3. Re:Drain the swamp, right kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should really get off Slashdot and go do your homework, Timmy. You know that D in Social Studies is going to cost you some good boy points.

    4. Re:Drain the swamp, right kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So all you have to the previous AC is a lame insult. Like he/she says, it's about giving the crooked family that runs Saudi Arabia, the font of extremist Wahhabi Islam, the technology to build atomic weapons.

    5. Re:Drain the swamp, right kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you, his girlfriend?

  6. New GOP Talking Points by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • Treason isn't illegal.
    • Bribery isn't illegal.
    • Pee Play is delightful.
  7. I think this is a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A nation with what is perhaps one of the largest reserves of oil an gas, gobs of sunlight, and still plans to build nuclear power. This should be a clue that they do not believe they can support their economy without nuclear power. Why else would they bother?

    Maybe some one could claim it's to get nuclear weapons. I'm pretty sure they got that already without advertising it with nuclear power.

    If Saudi Arabia needs nuclear then so does the rest of the world.

    1. Re:I think this is a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Esscuse me, vere are se nuclear wessels?

    2. Re:I think this is a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pakistani's are Sunni's, and Saudi Arabia are Sunni's. If SA wanted nuclear weapons, they could simply buy them from Pakistan.

    3. Re:I think this is a clue by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Done and done. They are leaving them in Pakistan, for now. Politics.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:I think this is a clue by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC oil is for export and making a profit.
      Nuclear is for more always on energy to grow trade, business, 24/7 production lines.

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    5. Re:I think this is a clue by blindseer · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Saudi Arabia gets 90%+ of their electricity from oil and natural gas. To make a profit on oil they have to export it, not burn it locally. To stop burning it for electricity they need something to replace it. They may be building lots of solar but they are also building nuclear. It seems they plan to build far more nuclear than solar. If solar power cannot support Saudi Arabia then it's not likely to work anywhere else either. Their lack of faith in solar power should concern us all.

      A citation:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    6. Re: I think this is a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What trade ? Saudi Arabia makes nothing. The only thing that is profitable there is oil and making gulitones%%%

    7. Re:I think this is a clue by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Solar power + batteris has been cheaper than Nuclear Power for over 30 years. They are not doing this for economic reasons.

    8. Re:I think this is a clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

      This is completely an economic decision.

    9. Re: I think this is a clue by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Thats who you don't burn oil for energy AC.
      Export the oil and use nuclear for domestic energy production.

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      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  8. Perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aluminium and Steel from Canada? National Security Risk.

    Wahhabi Nuclear? Potential profit!

    1. Re:Perception by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Informative

      German cars....that are built in South Carolina.

    2. Re:Perception by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Aluminium and Steel from Canada? National Security Risk.

      Know one of the reasons why we won WWII? Manufacturing capacity.

      You were saying?

    3. Re:Perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending only on other countries for importing necessary supplies - risk

      Exporting fuel and tech to our best "ally" in the mid east - profit

    4. Re:Perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Know one of the reasons why we won WWII? Manufacturing capacity. You were saying?

      What are you saying? Do you really think Canada will be on the other side during the next world war? Really?

    5. Re:Perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seeg high y'all!

    6. Re:Perception by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Well, if you keep electing presidents like Trump, we just might be, along with the rest of your allies. /s

  9. So now we all support global warming? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Troll

    The quickest way to end global warming is to spread the use of nuclear power.

    If you are against nuclear power, you are for global warming. That is simply all there is to it.

    So we have the strange dilemma, that Trump is greatly supporting the efforts to fight global warming, and all liberals are now opposed... the same liberals who wanted to give Iran access to nuclear weapons and the funds to develop them.

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    1. Re:So now we all support global warming? by meglon · · Score: 0

      You are a complete fucking partisan idiot. You wouldn't be able to see reality if it slapped you across the face and kicked you in the nuts. The next time you want to post what someone else thinks, remember: you're a fucking idiot and don't actually know. Why is it you lie so fucking much?

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    2. Re:So now we all support global warming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solve global warming by building nukes in the US. Saudi energy use is a spec of that of the US.
      Also, libs don't want Iran to have access to nukes. That is why they support the anti nuclear treaty Trump pulled out of.
      Note that Iran is still fulfilling it's part of the deal as confirmed by inspectors and the EU.

    3. Re:So now we all support global warming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to read before you spout Ken Doll. This is about the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons. You know nothing about this and your attempt to whattabout climate change is duly noted, you stupid and dishonest illiterate cunt.

    4. Re:So now we all support global warming? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I actually thought giving the Saudis access to non-weaponizable forms of nuclear power was a decent idea for this reason. However it would still be illegal, counter to all of US foreign policy, and massively hypocritical after Trump's harping on the fact-free Uranium One conspiracy theory.

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    5. Re:So now we all support global warming? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You are a complete fucking partisan idiot. You wouldn't be able to see reality if it slapped you across the face and kicked you in the nuts. The next time you want to post what someone else thinks, remember: you're a fucking idiot and don't actually know. Why is it you lie so fucking much?

      Jesus, just get off the fence please.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  10. There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by DalM · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Literally nothing. He's giving nuclear technology to a nation that hates Israel and funds and supplies terrorists.

    They still 100% support him unconditionally.

    1. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't defend this. I think Trump has pretty piss poor performance in the middle east policy.
      Bombing syria, selling arms to saudi, supporting israel, antagonizing iran, etc etc.
      That said it's still better than hillary setting up a no fly zone over the area, but I'm still disappointing in Trump.

    2. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by DalM · · Score: 0

      Litmus test:
      Is locking up innocent children in cages wrong? Or is it okay if they are brown?

      99.995% of Trump voters fail this test.

    3. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      It should be noted that a nuclear power plant is NOT useful for developing nuclear weapons. It doesn't produce plutonium in useful quantities, nor does it teach you much, if anything, about designing the equipment that does produce Pu in useful quantities.

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    4. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Litmus test:
      Is locking up innocent children in cages wrong? Or is it okay if they are brown?

      99.995% of Trump voters fail this test.

      Obama failed this test. Trump put a stop to it.

    5. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's giving nuclear technology to a nation that hates Israel and funds and supplies terrorists.

      Wake up dude, this is 2019. Saudi Arabia does not hate Israel. In fact, by all indications, they have mutual goals against regional enemy Iran.

    6. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      It doesn't produce plutonium in useful quantities, nor does it teach you much, if anything, about designing the equipment that does produce Pu in useful quantities.

      They don't want to produce Plutonium . . . they want to produce Polonium. Very useful for getting rid of pests like Jamal Khashoggi. The butchering in the Istanbul was very messy. Polonium poisoning would have been much cleaner.

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    7. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea what you're talking about. Certain reactor designs are useful for making nuclear bomb grade material, either U or Pu. There are a subset of reactors that "can't" readily be used for this purpose.

    8. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      innocent

      You are not magically immune to the law because you are under 18.

    9. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bombing syria

      Obama put us in Syria and Trump pulled us out of Syria... Yet you blame Trump? What kind of logic is this?

      supporting israel

      EVERY president since I've been alive has supported Israel. Jews seem to have some serious control over positions of power here in the US. At least Trump pulled us out of Syria, something that I'm sure Israel wasn't all that thrilled about.

    10. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by DalM · · Score: 1

      Yeah. It's a pretty simple test. The answers are:
      "No." and "No."

      You failed.

    11. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by DalM · · Score: 1

      The answers are:
      "No." and "No."

      You failed.

    12. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I remember that shitshow. The staged, cropped photos where activists put a child in a cage. Or the pictures taken during Obama's presidency and attributed to Trump. Good times.

      Can't the left go a month without some manufactured, fake controversy?

    13. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by DalM · · Score: 1

      As I said. Literally nothing they won't defend.

    14. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by DalM · · Score: 1

      I don't know why this is so difficult. It's actually very simple.

      The answers are:
      "No." and "No."

      You failed.

    15. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Litmus test:
      Is locking up innocent children in cages wrong? Or is it okay if they are brown?

      99.995% of Trump voters fail this test.

      It should be noted that adults were grabbing children that were not their own and taking them across the border. So, since the border agents didn't know if it was the adult was the child's parent or not what should they do? You would allow the Adult, parent or not, to keep the kid even if it wasn't the parent? You really hate brown people then don't you? Or are you purposely conflating the issue of why they split up the kids from the adults temporarily until they could verify the identities?

    16. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump will die in prison, a traitor. Great times.

    17. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, the correct answer is: your whole premise is dishonest.

    18. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you stopped beating your wife or your mother, Dallas May?

    19. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      You used to be able to buy polonium brushes, used in film photography to get rid of static charges.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    20. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably ate too many, you obese retard.

    21. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answers are:
      "No." and "No."

      You failed.

      Just like you failed second grade.

      Three time.

      Helluva a decade for you, elementary school? Best damn ten years of your life.

      Bet you thought Jussie Smollett was "lynched" too. At 2 AM. When it's 30 below zero out. By two white guys in the middle of a gay/black neighborhood.

      And you like to believe you're smart, too. Don't you.

      But Jussie fooled you, and you know it, too.

    22. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      More like literally nothing you will not misunderstand.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    23. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      He's giving nuclear technology to a nation that hates Israel

      They hate Israel, too. You know, the supposed jewish media conspiracy? And no small number of them want to imminentize the eschaton.

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    24. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... it's not wrong to lock innocent children in cages?

      Or did you not actually, y'know, read the GP post?

      (This is what happens when people try to "debate" with memes and soundbites, instead of actually thinking.)

    25. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why. They are consistent with their superstition.

      https://www.vox.com/2017/12/12/16761540/jerusalem-israel-embassy-palestinians-trump-evangelicals

    26. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really hate to point out the obvious, but the love for Saudi Arabia goes way Way WAY back before Trump ever even became a daily news topic.

      Saudi Arabia has been doing evil shit for longer than any of us have even been alive.

      To be honest, we should give each nation in the Middle East one nuke each. Then tell them all the other nations nearby have one too.
      Sit back and see who has the balls to launch one first.

    27. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I detect some unhappiness among Trump supporters of late, because they are busy filing their taxes right now. That promised tax cut, the one that the 1% had a year ago and was due to reach them around now, hasn't materialized. In fact they are paying more tax now, and the realization that they have screwed is finally having an effect.

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    28. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Syberz · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, remind me from which country the vast majority of the 9/11 terrorists came from?

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    29. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. I am only making $80k and the amount of Federal tax I paid this year is about 90% of what I paid last year. Now my refund was smaller, but that is because less was taken out per pay cheque. And in my observations the people complaining about paying more tax this year aren't Trump supporters but are people on the left who are confusing a smaller refund with paying more tax.

    30. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know Obama did those things, and I know every president has supported Israel.
      That doesn't mean I will give Trump a pass on those two things.
      I expect more. Yes, he is pulling back from Syria, but he did drop bombs.

    31. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure those are the answers you want to give? Because that would mean you support locking up innocent children in cages, so long as it is done regardless of skin colour.

    32. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you meant this post, I sure hope they read it, because they are the one who wrote it! Which only makes their "no" even more hilarious.

    33. Re:There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      But we were told it was when Iraq wanted to build nuclear power plants so that they could use them to replace oil fired electricity generators and export the oil instead. The US government wouldn't have lied to us, would they?

  11. Business as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bush gave the Saudis weapons, Obama gave the Saudis a TON of weapons. After all that some power plants seem pretty tame.

    Not that I support this nonsense. We shouldn't be doing ANY business with the Saudis while they're carrying out a genocide in Yemen.

    1. Re:Business as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE DIFFERENT, EINSTEIN. Obviously we have a whole separate set of considerations for them, and additional LAWS that Trump tried to break doing this. Yes, genocide in Yemen is also bad.

      That has nothing to do with it, learn to read.

  12. What type of Nuclear Plants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Transfer nuclear weapons tech? Doesn't that depend on the type of Nuclear reactor/plant? Someone chime in, but aren't there designs that have limited utility to producing nuclear weapons? (Dirty bombs are not the issue here, the Saudis could have dozens of those already)

    1. Re:What type of Nuclear Plants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were specifically looking at weapons-capable reactor proliferation in SA. The Saudis want bombs to use on Iran, they don't want to rely on the US for strategic defense. These means however would be illegal under US law.

      The idea was Flynn's group would be very rich and SA would get nuclear weapons capabilities in-house.

    2. Re:What type of Nuclear Plants? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      It's how you run them.

      To get pure plutonium suitable for bombs you run them balls out for a short period, then reprocess the fuel.

      When run for power, you end up with a mix of plutonium isotopes. Which puts you back where you started with Uranium. Doing isotope separation.

      This was about countering Iran. Machiavellian trick to get a concession from them, or alternatively maintain the Shia/Sunni stalemate in the face of Iran's inevitable nuke.

      This is of course applicable to 'conventional' enriched uranium fueled nukes.

      My understanding is that Saudi owns a couple of nukes, but they have them stored in Pakistan, for political reasons. Not unlike Japan, who has them, but hasn't done the final assembly.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    3. Re:What type of Nuclear Plants? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Turn key export grade power generating plants.
      Not the traditional domestic ones with a door on the side for nuclear weapons production lines.

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    4. Re:What type of Nuclear Plants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The theory is that since SA bankrolled Pakistan's nuclear program, they have "rights" to some of Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Whether this is true or not, no one knows or will say. Either way, it makes the US selling them power plants more or less moot.

  13. Re:You're an illiterate whattaboutist FUD, Kendall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuclear power != manufacture nuclear weapons.

  14. Trump the traitor lies, so his idiots follow suit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your assertion that Obama "gave Iran the bomb" by getting them to agree to halt production and open themselves to inspections.... is beyond dishonest, you're actually a lying traitor faggot propagandist at that point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal_framework

    Learn to read, Trump traitors. - Or prison is going to be that much less enlightening for you.

  15. Learn to read what I wrote by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Learn to read yourself. This is about (A) nuclear power, as the summary notes, and (B) my own personal observation that everyone complaining now was very, very quiet when we were giving money to Iron to help support a much more direct nuclear power -> nuclear weapons route.

    It's fine if you want to complain now about Saudi Arabia getting nuclear weapons - as long as you were complaining then.

    Personally I am on the fence about SA getting nuclear weapons, but I still support helping them obtain nuclear power plants with oversight. At least they would ACTUALLY let us monitor, unlike Iran.

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    1. Re:Learn to read what I wrote by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      The guy in power just abducted all the rich men in the country and litterally held them for ransom. What reason do you have for thinking he'll keep this deal one day past completion of the reactor?

  16. Not exactly the type of nuclear transfer to SA by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    that I want to see.

    A few Kt or Mt worth? OK

  17. Wumpus you're a blathering 0-info fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You also know nothing about this.

    1. Re:Wumpus you're a blathering 0-info fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regardless the politics, his comments on the physics are correct.

    2. Re:Wumpus you're a blathering 0-info fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, and he made no physics-related comments. Zero. So you're doubly illiterate. He knows nothing about modern or even rudimentary 50's versions of nuclear weapons production. Neutron capture wasn't even mentioned once.

      F - illiterate blathering, zero reality basis. Knowing the word "reprocessing" is not proof of any actual knowledge.

  18. Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democrats have such twisted viewpoints.

    It's OK to help the nation that habitually shouts,"Death to America" build nuclear facilities with the full knowledge that they intend to build nukes, but nuclear power to Saudi Arabia is a non-starter with them.

    Twisted Fucks, them Democrats.

    1. Re:Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      We get it: You know every Democrat.

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    2. Re:Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by bjwest · · Score: 1

      You fucking idiot! We didn't give Iran their nuclear capability, but Trump is wanting to give it to the Saudi.

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    3. Re:Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

      We didn't give Iran their nuclear capability, but Trump is wanting to give it to the Saudi.

      Fuel for power plants is not even close to weapons grade, and the power plant deal includes extra safeguards. It actually lowers the chance of the Saudis building a bomb.

      TFA contains implications of guilt-by-associate and innuendo about "potential conflicts of interest" but it didn't mention a single concrete problem with the deal. It means jobs for Americans, and lower CO2 emissions in Saudi Arabia.

    4. Re:Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The fact they confuse nuclear power plants with nuclear weapons risk tell us just how ignorant they are. The only part that matters in that regard is the fuel processing technology, and Trump wanted us to do that and sell it to them.

      Just another meaningless wolf call from the left.

    5. Re:Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      That's every nuclear reactor ...

    6. Re:Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 2

      Yessir. Here is an example of the innuendo about "potential conflicts of interest":

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-trump-appointees-promoted-selling-nuclear-power-plants-to-saudi-arabia-over-objections-from-national-security-officials-house-democratic-report-says/2019/02/19/6a719762-3456-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html


      The report released Tuesday notes that one of the power plant manufacturers that could benefit from a nuclear deal, Westinghouse Electric, is a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Management, the company that has provided financial relief to the family of Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and a senior White House adviser. Brookfield Asset Management took a 99-year lease on the Kushner family’s deeply indebted New York City property at 666 Fifth Ave.

    7. Re: Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone still calling themselves a Democrat at this point is a fucking brainwashed cookie-cutter zombie.

      So yeah, you stupid fuck, we know you.

    8. Re:Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Electricity from Oil costs approx 4 cents per KWH, from Nuclear approx 30 cents per KWH. There are 3 rational reasons for building a nuclear reactor: 1-medical radioisotope production, 2-mobile power (ships), 3-building bombs. Neither Iran nor Saudi Arabia have any practical justification for building a nuclear reactor. Doesn't the Iran Nuclear Deal impose those same safeguards to prevent weapons production?

    9. Re: Nuclear Power for Iran - OK. S.A. Not So Much by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry you're ill.

      Get better soon, OK?

      I mean that.

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  19. Re:You're an illiterate whattaboutist FUD, Kendall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuclear power plants != manufacture nuclear weapons.

  20. Re:You're an illiterate whattaboutist FUD, Kendall by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    Cool. You picked up on the ruse.

    Iran said that before you did, though.

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  21. Re:You're an illiterate whattaboutist FUD, Kendall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, this is about Uranium One and why the news media is mum about it, yet immediately goes ape-shit over (uncorroborated) allegations that Trump might possibly think about selling nuclear power plants to Saudi Arabia.

    This story is going to blow up in your faces, libtards.

  22. Re:Trump the traitor lies, so his idiots follow su by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your assertion that Obama "gave Iran the bomb" by getting them to agree to halt production and open themselves to inspections.... is beyond dishonest, you're actually a lying traitor faggot propagandist at that point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nuclear_deal_framework

    Learn to read, Trump traitors. - Or prison is going to be that much less enlightening for you.

    You're a fucking idiot. Yeah, you are.

    Obama was a FOOL over Middle East policy. Literally, a FOOL:

    Syrian regime linked to over 300 chemical attacks – report

    The Syrian regime and government-backed militias have carried out over 300 chemical attacks in the war-torn country, according to a report published Sunday.

    The research, published by the Global Public Policy Institute, shows there were at least 336 chemical attacks over the course of the civil war in Syria, with 98 percent of them carried out by President Bashar Assad’s regime. The remaining 2% of attacks could be attributed to the Islamic State terrorist group.

    ...

    Your boy Obumbles created a "red line" and said that if Syria used chemical and crossed that red line, the US would do something.

    So, tell us, bright boy. What did Obumbles do about Syrian use of chemical weapons?

    Yeah, nothing.

    And now you want to believe Obumble's claims about what Iran would do are credible?

    Grow a brain. You need to.

    Gee, let's think about this some more. Who is the major power supporting Syria? Oh, yeah, Iran. Who did Obumbles hand a path to nuclear weapons to? Oh, yeah, Iran again.

    You really want to go down the path of "I don't like this policy, therefore it's treason"? Obumbles is the one vulnerable there.

  23. Re: There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend by DalM · · Score: 1

    The answer is no and no.

    You failed

  24. Re:Uranium 1 was worse by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fake news doesn't want to talk about the Uranium One deal though. I wonder why?

    Hey Anonymous Coward, the mainstream media discussed it extensively at the time.

    For example:

    https://www.latimes.com/nation...

    Problem was their fact-based analysis didn't reinforce your lies, so you decried it as "FAKE NEWS!"

  25. Saudia Arabia Supports israel now by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    He's giving nuclear technology to a nation that hates Israel

    I guess you are kind of behind the times, Saudi Arabia has had a bit of a leadership turnover and now at the prompting of the U.S. supports Israel.

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    1. Re:Saudia Arabia Supports israel now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's giving nuclear technology to a nation that hates Israel

      I guess you are kind of behind the times, Saudi Arabia has had a bit of a leadership turnover and now at the prompting of the U.S. supports Israel.

      Sure they do LOL.

  26. Re: There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are an advocate child molestation then. Typical democrat perv.

  27. Wumpus you're a 0-information moron. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have no idea what you're blathering about, and never have.

  28. They will just buy the tech from someone else by ASCIIxTended · · Score: 0

    They will just buy it from some other country if not from us. We have no reason not to do business with them, unless we just don't want to make money.

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    1. Re:They will just buy the tech from someone else by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Applicable Ferengi rules of acquisition: #177, #189, #261, #292

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  29. You're a moron Ken Doll, you can't read. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn to read before you spout Ken Doll. This is about the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons. You know nothing about this and your attempt to whattabout climate change is duly noted, you stupid and dishonest illiterate cunt.

  30. THERE ARE ALWAYS CONSEQUENCES NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CONSEQUENCES FOR YOUR LIES AND PROPAGANDA ILLITERATE NAZI FAGGOT KEN DOLL UNTIL YOU DIE

    Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING. Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

  31. Re:Uranium 1 was worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's the truth: the current logic of Trump and company is to accuse very loudly "the other side" of precisely the crimes they're engaged in. This is intended to later muddy the waters, to issue call backs to "why weren't *they* investigated?", and generally underplay the outrage by making it something the public has felt for years and felt frustrated because nothing was done against "those" people. Having said all that, I wonder how pizza-gate will turn out.

  32. Re: There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every school, every church, every group meeting, and every other place where a parent is not right beside their child all the time, the child is being molested. Good to know. Seriously, you failed.

    PS - Seriously, if anything you're accusing border patrol of molesting the child by removing them from what may be their parent which according to you is the only person who can be guardian to them in such a fashion to avoid molestation. Let's ignore how many parents molest their children in that argument. But, yes, you had to go off on a stupid tangent instead of just answering the obvious "No and no".

  33. I do defend this by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I don't defend this

    I was disappointed in Trump also when I read a headline saying he was giving them nuclear weapons.

    But when I read the actual details, as per usual the fact is Trump is doing nothing wrong and giving someone access to clean nuclear power is quite a lot different from giving them nuclear weapons. Especially Saudi Arabia which is one of the more responsible nations in the region (yes even AFTER assassinating a kind-of journalist, they are one of the better ones!).

    I think Trump has pretty piss poor performance in the middle east policy.

    Based on what? He's the first president in ages that has other arab countries stating to side with Israel, and in addition helping defend the region from Iran. Trump has not started any wars there and avoided much expansion into Syria, unlike Obama who destroyed Libya with Hillary Clinton's help - a peaceful nation that I was planning to visit before they fucked it up beyond hope of salvation.

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    1. Re:I do defend this by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Your justification on why Saudi Arabia can have nuclear power (with safeguards) also apply to Iran (with safeguards = Iran Nuclear Deal). The people of Saudi Arabia created the Taliban and ISIS, paid for the 9/11 attack on America, and continue to actively support muslim extremism world wide. They are clearly a bigger threat to America than Iran.

    2. Re:I do defend this by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Your justification on why Saudi Arabia can have nuclear power (with safeguards) also apply to Iran

      Must be nice to live in such ignorance, of the thousands of enrichment machines Iran has expressly for building nuclear weapons, an effort which by the way they have been engaged in before and after the nuclear deal, while allowing no inspection of most facilities.

      Vastly different cases.

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  34. Re: There is nothing Trump supporters won't defend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woosh!

  35. Trump Likes How SA Treats Dissidents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, Saudi Arabia is on the list of Approved Trump Dictators. They are very strong, powerful and bigly. Mohammed "Bonesaw" Salman's actions in a SA embassy in Turkey proved it. Trump likes a dab hand with a bonesaw!

    It all started when the Saudis allow Trump to fondle their glowing balls. You can see how that might sway the man.

  36. Re:You're an illiterate whattaboutist FUD, Kendall by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    AC turn key export grade nuclear reactors cant do easy on the side nuclear weapons production lines.

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  37. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They recently cut oil shipments to the lowest levels in years - no reason they should need another energy source. China should have some surplus solar panels for cheap. If they burn the oil, then they're first to fry in the 150F summers too.

  38. You're a moronic faggot Ken Doll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know nothing and you will die irrelevant. France started the military action against Libya. Learn to read someday clueless faggot.

  39. Re:Uranium 1 was worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump alone commands you to call any news source that is critical of him or isn't critical of his enemies Fake News and you obey like a trained mindless drone. Did you ever consider for even a second that you're being manipulated by a con artist? Nope.

  40. Re:Uranium 1 was worse by macinit · · Score: 0

    Trump alone commands you and the rest of his mindless base to call any news source that's either critical of him or isn't critical of his enemies Fake News and you obey like a trained monkey. Did you ever consider for even a second that you're being manipulated by a con artist? Nope.

  41. Iran used to be our friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then there was a revolution, and now they aren't. Saudi Arabia is full of religious extremists, and if they have a coup they will be FAR worse than Iran. Do you really want them to have the bomb, just because they happen to be a US ally today?

  42. Too late.. by hoofie · · Score: 1

    The Saudi's do not need Nuclear Power plants to produce nuclear weapons - they already have them. The Pakistan weapons program and inventory has been paid for by the Saudi's with the tacit agreement that if Iran comes calling with ground forces, then it's instant sunshine time.

    The House of Saud will have absoutely zero regret on sending all those Shia's to paradise a bit earlier than planned and it will be cheered in the streets [well not in the East perhaps] if it does.

    Ironically the Israeli's are involved as well - they have always seen Iran in the last few decades as their greatest enemy via their proxies and a nuclear armed Saudi gives them a large security buffer. The Saudi public comments about Israel and the Palestinians are purely PR - in reality they have many common interests and that the Gulf states in private do not give tuppence about the Palestinian's situation and never have.

  43. BUTTERY MALES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can hear the cries from here... Buttery males!

  44. Re:Trump the traitor lies, so his idiots follow su by currently_awake · · Score: 1

    The Iran Nuclear Deal made it harder and more time consuming for Iran to build nuclear bombs. Even just slowing them down is worth the effort as it gives time for political change in Iran (stage a revolution?). Short of invasion we don't have any other workable options, sanctions aren't working.

  45. Why a country with free energy will go nuclear ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bombs of course.