Slashdot Mirror


Proposed Bill Would Force Arizonians To Pay $250 To Have Their DNA Added To a Database (gizmodo.com)

technology_dude writes: One by one, thresholds are being crossed where the collection and storage of personal data is accepted as routine. Being recorded by cameras at business locations, in public transportation, in schools, churches, and every other place imaginable. Recent headlines include "Singapore Airlines having cameras built into the seat back of personal entertainment systems," and "Arizona considering a bill to force some public workers to give up DNA samples (and even pay for it)." It seems to be a daily occurrence where we have crossed another line in how far we will go to accept massive surveillance as normal. Do we even have a line the sand that we would defend? Do we even see anything wrong with it? Absolute power corrupts absolutely and we continue to give knowledge of our personal lives (power) to others. If we continue down the same path, I suppose we deserve what we get? I want to shout "Stop the train, I want off!" but I fear my plea would be ignored. So who out there is more optimistic than I and can recommend some reading that will give me hope? Bill 1475 was introduced by Republican State Senator David Livingston and would require teachers, police officers, child day care workers, and many others to submit their DNA samples along with fingerprints to be stored in a database maintained by the Department of Public Safety. "While the database would be prohibited from storing criminal or medical records alongside the DNA samples, it would require the samples be accompanied by the person's name, Social Security number, date of birth and last known address," reports Gizmodo. "The living will be required to pay [a $250 processing fee] for this invasion of their privacy, but any dead body that comes through a county medical examiner's office would also be fair game to be entered into the database."

5 of 357 comments (clear)

  1. Re:David by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are more accurate than you know. From the article, it looks like he "represents" those who pay him:

    The last time Rep. Livingston made headlines was in 2017 when he sponsored legislation that would make the contents of an insurance policy’s cover sheet and synopsis unenforceable if the long-form contract is different. According to the Arizona Capitol Times, one of Livingston’s fellow lawmakers questioned him on why he was bringing that legislation forward. Livingston reportedly said at the time that “citizens of the state of Arizona” had asked for it. When he was asked if those citizens were “connected to insurance agencies, companies, groups, special interests related to insurance,” Livingstone replied with a simple “yes.”

  2. Re: David by Jumperalex · · Score: 3, Informative

    You, him, and the R's don't get off that easy. The No True Scotsman argument holds no water. He calls himself a Republican, the Republican party accepts and supports him, and probability theory says at least one registered Republican voted for him; if not two.

    Citation: 1856 case of "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a Duck ..."

    --
    If you can't be good, be good at it!
  3. Re:"Freedom" by e3m4n · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a book that’s now at a print that you should find and read called radio warfare. Before reading that book I was not aware that during World War II George Orwell worked in psychological operations or PsyOps. They quickly realized it was a lot easier to run propaganda against their own people than it was the enemy. The book 1984 was not a fictional imagination of a dark future, it was the only way to get the word out about a roadmap. Slowly, patiently, like a snowball gaining momentum, that’s how that drum beat from World War II to the year 2000. Once there was the world trade Tower attack in 2001, things picked up pace abruptly. If you were to measure the rate at which privacy was a rotated since that event, you would notice that it’s far less linear. A snowball is a really good analogy. Once they get to the point where they’ve taken enough of your liberties away they go all in and throw all the chips on the table.

      It is the single reason why the defenders of the Second Amendment here are so vehemently opposed to any sort of restriction. The day the road that liberty will be the day with in a year that you see a sweeping police state rise from the shadows.

  4. Re:"Freedom" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The (actual) Nazis were greatly helped by data collection in the time before they came to power. They had databases available to them which showed them where the Jews lived.

  5. ...and many others .... by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I fear this is a response to a recent incident of abuse at an extended care center here in Arizona. An incident so abhorrent I will not describe it here. So we have an ambulance chaser making such a noble proposal...

    And the overreach:

    In Arizona, this will include real estate salespersons and brokers, among others. The current list of those required, in Arizona, to obtain a fingerprint clearance card:

    ABDE-Dental Hygienist Licensure
    ABDE-Dentist Licensure
    ABDE-Denturist Certification
    ADFI-Appraisal Management/Controlling person
    ADFI-Appraisal Management/Registration
    ADFI-Appraiser-License or Certificate
    ADOT Traffic School Licensure
    ADOT-Driver Training School Licensure
    AZ Board of Fingerprinting-Members & Staff
    AZ Charter School Board-Member/Applicant
    AZ Dept. of Ed-Attend Vocational Program; Age 22 or older
    AZ Dept. of Ed-Child Nutrition Programs
    AZ Dept. of Ed-Surrogate Parents
    AZ Dept. Real Estate-Licensure
    AZ Game and Fish
    AZ Schools for the Deaf & Blind-Superintendent
    BPT - Physical Therapist & Assistants Licensure
    BTR-Alarm Agent Certification
    BTR-Controlling Person Certification
    DCS - Child Welfare/Adoption Agency Employee
    DCS-Adoption
    DCS-Employee or IT Employee or IT Employees of Contractors or Subcontractors
    DCS-Field Employee
    DCS-Foster Home Licensure
    Department of Juvenile Corrections-Licensee or Contract Provider
    DES-CCR&R Registered Home
    DES-Certified Child Care Provider & Non-Certified Relative Provider
    DES-DAAS-Division of Aging & Adult Svcs.
    DES-DDD - Developmental Home Licensure
    DES-DDD/HCBS-Home & Community Based Svcs.
    DES-Domestic Violence/Homeless Shelter
    DES-Employee
    DES-IT Position
    DES-Employee or Contractor with access to Federal Tax Information
    DES-JOBS Program
    DES-WIOA-Workforce Innovation & Opportunity Act
    DHS-Arizona State Hospital
    DHS-Child Care Employees & Volunteers
    DHS-Child Care Facility Licensure
    DHS-Child Care Group Home; Certification, Employees or Volunteers
    DHS-Children’s Behavioral Health Programs Employees and Volunteers
    DHS-Nursing Care Administrators & Assisted Living Facility Managers
    DHS-Residential or Nursing Care Institutions; Home Health Agencies – Employees and Volunteers
    Health Science Student & Clinical Assistant
    Juvenile Probation-Supreme Court, County Attorney or other Contract Provider Employee or Volunteer
    State Board of Pharmacy-3rd Party Logistic Providers Representative
    State Board of Pharmacy-Licensure
    State Board of Education (Teacher or Other Certification)
    Tutor or Teacher Preparation Programs
    Charter School Instructor
    School Bus Driver
    Public and/or Charter School Non-certificated personnel
    Public and/or Charter School Contractor, Subcontractor or Vendor and their Employees

    Of note; appraisers, IT subcontractors and their employees, alarm agents.

    The bill specifies collection from (with my notes in parentheses):

    1. A PERSON WHO IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS FOR PURPOSES OF IDENTIFICATION AS PART OF AN APPLICATION FOR LICENSURE, CERTIFICATION OR A PERMIT OR RENEWAL OF A LICENSE, CERTIFICATE OR PERMIT IF THE PERSON HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED DNA ID. (see the list above)

    2. A PERSON WHOSE EMPLOYMENT OR POSITION REQUIRES FINGERPRINTING FOR PURPOSES OF IDENTIFICATION. (apparently requiring collection if an employer requires fingerprinting, overreach)

    3. A PERSON WHO IS EMPLOYED BY OR VOLUNTEERING WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY. (redundant)

    4. A PERSON WHO, FOR ANY OTHER REASON, IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO SUBMIT FINGERPRINTS FOR PURPOSES OF IDENTIFICATION. (redundant)

    5. A DECEASED PERSON, WHOSE DNA ID SHALL BE COLLECTED BY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER OR THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S DESIGNEE AND SUBMITTED PURSUANT TO PROTOCOLS DEVELOPED BY THE DEPARTMENT. A DECEASED PERSON'S DNA ID MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE DEPARTMENT WITHIN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS AFTER COLLECTION.

    6. A PERSON WHO IS ORDERED BY

    --
    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.