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Vox Lawyers Briefly Censored YouTubers Who Mocked the Verge's Bad PC Build Video (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader writes: In case you missed the latest drama to take place in the YouTube tech community, Ars Technica reports how Vox Media attempted to copyright strike two reaction videos that mocked The Verge's terrible PC build guide video that could have ruined a $2,000 system for a beginner PC builder. That effort failed when the tech community sounded the alarms; YouTube removed the copyright strikes and Vox Media had to retract their takedown notice.

From the report: "Last week, The Verge got a reminder about the power of the Streisand effect after its lawyers issued copyright takedown requests for two YouTube videos that criticized -- and heavily excerpted -- a video by The Verge. Each takedown came with a copyright 'strike.' It was a big deal for the creators of the videos, because three 'strikes' in a 90-day period are enough to get a YouTuber permanently banned from the platform. T.C. Sottek, the Verge's managing editor, blamed lawyers at the Verge's parent company, Vox Media, for the decision. 'The Verge's editorial structure was involved zero percent in the decision to issue a strike,' Sottek said in a direct message. 'Vox Media's legal team did this independently and informed us of it after the fact.' The move sparked an online backlash. Verge editor Nilay Patel (who, full disclosure, was briefly a colleague of mine at The Verge's sister publication Vox.com), says that when he learned about the decision, he asked that the strike be rescinded, leading to the videos being reinstated. Still, Patel defended the lawyers' legal reasoning, arguing that the videos 'crossed the line' into copyright infringement. It's hard to be sure if this is true since there are very few precedents in this area of the law. But the one legal precedent I was able to find suggests the opposite: that this kind of video is solidly within the bounds of copyright's fair use doctrine."

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  1. Commentary and Parody by ghoul · · Score: 5, Informative

    are well protected under Copyright Law. This is not a problem of Copyright Law. This is a problem with the Youtube 3 Strikes rule. If youtube is not going to do legal reviews of takedown notices and instead depend on crowd's intelligence that is Youtube's choice but then it should not use a 3 strikes rule on such takedown notices which have not gone through proper review.

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    1. Re:Commentary and Parody by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are forgetting to add the real toxic shit with this whole thing, which was Vox tried to claim making fun of the video is racist because apparently a black guy royally fucking up a PC build cannot be made fun of cuz black.

      Anybody who has actually seen the video can tell ya this wasn't just "Oh he put in a fan wrong", this guy had NO CLUE what he was doing and if you would have followed his instructions? You most likely would have burned up your PC, yes its THAT badly done. And it just shows how sad and pathetic the USA is becoming when a major corp can scream "Thats raciss!" over someone making fun of what was so damn obviously a dumbass that has no idea what they are doing trying to give instructions, I mean good lord it was as bad as that gun safety vid where the cop shot himself in the foot, but the media has by and large kept their mouth shut over Vox throwing the race card.

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    2. Re:Commentary and Parody by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, the Verge on Twitter started blaming racism when people started calling them out on their stupidity.

      They deleted the original tweet but here is a copy which stated:

      "Last week, The Verge published a video on how to build a gaming PC. Today, we're pulling that video off our YouTube and Facebook pages, because it contains minor factual errors, that, in sum, do not meet our editorial standards. I also want to reiterate that The Verge has zero tolerance for internet harassment campaigns, and that we will automatically disregard any feedback that appears to be in bad faith or part of such a campaign. As many of you know, we are happy to engage openly with our audiences across our platforms, but over the weekend multiple people on our staff have been subject to a wave of attacks, including hundreds of racist attacks on the host of our video. We simply will not listen to feedback that is associated with these campaigns or the people who direct such campaigns.

      "We'll eventually make another video on how to build a PC. It'll be good. See you out there."

      /sarcasm Apparently 40+ errors are "minor factual errors". LUL.

    3. Re:Commentary and Parody by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      sarcasm Apparently 40+ errors are "minor factual errors". LUL.

      An imagur link to basically a chunk of text in rendered with a small font into a bitmap. Ugh WTF is wrong with people? Can we dial back the outrage on this story so can have some REAL nerdrage over the offence that is that link? It's barbaric.

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  2. So is there a corollary policy? by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was a big deal for the creators of the videos, because three 'strikes' in a 90-day period are enough to get a YouTuber permanently banned from the platform.

    I would assume then that there's a corollary policy, where a YouTuber who gets three takedown notices rescinded in a 90-day period is also permanently banned from the platform (or at least permanently banned from issuing takedown notices)?

  3. Re:So... the distributed eyeball system works? by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Basically nothing. The idiots that wrote the law never stopped to consider how badly it would be abused. In this case the people involved were lucky to be famous enough that they could get anyone to care. Unless you're already a big name on YouTube, good luck ever reaching a human being at Google regardless of problem.

    At least The Verge will be rightly pilloried over this. I don't know if it will affect their readership though. I quit going to their site shortly after it launched because it was a bloated pile of shit that was utter hell on my slightly old hardware at the time. When will tech press realize that they just need a decent simple layout that doesn't distract from their actual content?

    I remember Patel from Engadget back in the day. He has a law degree and should know better than to make such an asinine comment about this being anywhere close to copyright infringement.

  4. Re:So... the distributed eyeball system works? by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lawyers abused DCMA/Copyright, company initially complies, people notice it's not legit and complain, company then investigates and fixes it. The system works, that's still 99%+ uptime. Not even a bad outcome.

    But it's still a bad system -- it was a Verge editor that asked for the strike to be rescinded -- if not for that (which was surely only due to perceived bad publicity), then what would have happened?

    Shaming DMCA abusers into backing down doesn't sound like a reasonable policy.

  5. YouTube isn't a serious company by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet again, YouTube demonstrates the sort of behavior that could never be tolerated if it weren't for having Alphabet as their sugar daddy. Say what you will about the general desire a lot of folks have to use antitrust laws to bust up Silicon Valley's darlings, but YouTube is one incredibly good argument for wielding it against Alphabet. Why? A few reasons:

    1. They continue to operate at a loss.
    2. Alphabet continues to tolerate their amateurish ways of dealing with ToS that pisses off folks at every turn--including gaming their premium content producers.
    3. Their content regulation is a total amateur hour shit show that a for-profit company accountable to shareholders could never put up with.
    4. Serious competitors struggle to gain ground because they're essentially treated as a loss leader by Google with access to Google's infrastructure and cash to subsidize them.

    If they had been bought by Microsoft to join with Bing, a lot of their defenders would be railing at how Microsoft is crippling the market with that crap.

  6. The original video is quite hilarious by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Funny

    The original video is quite hilarious. He gets wrong almost everything that you can get wrong, and also some things you'd think you can't get wrong! He doesn't even know how to call things, like zip ties are "tweezers" and he calls various things (including the I/O shield) as "braces", the CPU socket a "holder" etc. The serious mistakes are applying a shitload of thermal paste *in addition* to the thermal pad the cooler had, installing the RAM in the wrong slots (non-dual channel), installing the PSU the wrong way, screwing the case radiator in without its fans...
    For me the most hilarious parts are two:
    - He wears some rubber band (unconnected to anything) on his arm to protect himself from static electricity (!).
    - He goes on and on describing how he will use a "CPU applicator" to make it easy to "apply" the CPU, then, without saying anything, it is clear he's thrown it to the side and just drops the CPU in the socket as he should.
    The second of the linked parody videos is quite funny too.

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    1. Re:The original video is quite hilarious by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The greatness of this parody requires that it be unintentional.

      Fortunately for everyone else, it was.

      Now, consider that these people also work on other "news" stories. This is their career!

      Still wonder why the claims of fake news has so much traction? Nitwits like these are everywhere in "journalism," where it is clear that not only are a few particular topics problematic for them, but in fact that all topics are problematic for them.

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  7. Re:So... the distributed eyeball system works? by Spamalope · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You're assuming that the folks who wrote the law didn't intend this outcome. Stifling content that's outside of the big media companie's control may have been exactly the point.

    So Yourtube, when will there be a strike system for false flagging? Youtube can't ignore the false claims or they'd lose safe harbor, but they can surely strike the flaggers Youtube account. i.e. flag and suspend VOX on Youtube for the fraudulent flags.

  8. Re:So... the distributed eyeball system works? by Spamalope · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When will Youtube flag & suspend the Youtube accounts of companies making false DMCA claims? In this case, why wasn't the VOX Youtube account suspended as well?!?!?