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New Material Can Soak Up Uranium From Seawater (acs.org)

A new adsorbent material "soaks up uranium from seawater, leaving interfering ions behind," reports the ACS's Chemical & Engineering News, in an article shared by webofslime: The world's oceans contain some 4 billion metric tons of dissolved uranium. That's roughly 1,000 times as much as all known terrestrial sources combined, and enough to fuel the global nuclear power industry for centuries. But the oceans are so vast, and uranium's concentration in seawater is so low -- roughly 3 ppb -- that extracting it remains a formidable challenge... Researchers have been looking for ways to extract uranium from seawater for more than 50 years...

Nearly 20 years ago, the Japan Atomic Energy Agency (JAEA) confirmed that amidoxime-functionalized polymers could soak up uranium reliably even under harsh marine conditions. But that type of adsorbent has not been implemented on a large scale because it has a higher affinity for vanadium than uranium. Separating the two ions raises production costs. Alexander S. Ivanov of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, together with colleagues there and at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and other institutions, may have come up with a solution. Using computational methods, the team identified a highly selective triazine chelator known as H2BHT that resembles iron-sequestering compounds found in bacteria and fungi.... H2BHT exhibits little attraction for vanadium but has roughly the same affinity for uranyl ions as amidoxime-based adsorbents do.

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  1. So, if 1000x as much as we have... by gweihir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. is enough for "centuries", then what we have should run out in less than a year? Seems somebody has trouble with numbers. While Uranium that can be mined is not nearly as plentiful as the nuclear-mafia wants you to believe, it should be enough for a few decades, given that no new reactors are constructed.

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    1. Re:So, if 1000x as much as we have... by careysub · · Score: 5, Informative

      The world's oceans contain about 4.5 billion tonnes of uranium. The world consumes 65,000 tonnes of uranium a year. There are thus 70,000 years worth of uranium at current consumption rates in the ocean. The world land reserves of uranium are estimated at 7.6 million tonnes at a recover cost of $260/kg, this is 115 years worth.

      The lowest current estimated cost of recovering uranium from seawater is something like $300/kg, a price point at which the cost of the uranium still has little influence on fission power economics, and not much higher than that cost of recovery cited above for the 115 year reserve on land. The current market price of uranium right now is about $80/kg (element, not oxide), but it fluctuates a lot. The recent trendline is something like $100/kg, though in the past it has spiked as high as $400/kg (current dollars).

      There no need for uranium-for-seawater in the foreseeable future (i.e. this century), and as long as mined uranium can be had for $100/kg or so there will be no steps taken to commercialize seawater extraction. Research on the topic, like this one, continues with refinements in extraction chemistry and efficiency as the focus, but not looking at the most cost-efficient extraction method, since that is the realm of commercialization. When land uranium resources start to run out, and prices rise, that is when all of the research on seawater extraction will be put to use, with a new focus on industrial operation cost and efficiency.

      We are never going to run out of uranium. Even with no breeder reactors, or any thorium reactors.

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    2. Re:So, if 1000x as much as we have... by blindseer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What you say is likely true, if we assume that there is a free trade of uranium. A nation with less than friendly relations with much of the world might have trouble getting uranium if their local geology is lacking in uranium. Access to the sea though means a constant supply of uranium at a very constant price. Extraction of uranium at any rate which we could conceive of is nothing compared to the size of the ocean, the concentration of uranium salts in the ocean will not be affected (on any human time frame).

      As I recall nations such as India, Iran, and Japan don't have a lot of uranium that they can mine. At least not at the prices you gave. If this process gets to even double the market rate on what many pay now then it can still be viable because of costs due to transport and trade regulations.

      There's also some possibility of another spike in uranium. I recall a co-worker being quite excited when he saw uranium prices spike. He was crushed later when he found out why. A mine he had invested in had been flooded with water, some weather event and/or mechanical problem at the site. This put a dent in future expectations of supply and that made uranium prices climb. If there's a technology on uranium extraction from seawater then we will see a ceiling on uranium prices as people build such facilities to back up their terrestrial mining. Oil people do this all the time, they drill for less than ideal oil because they need that well drilled before prices spike. If prices spike and there's no oil to sell then they can't cash in.

      Investments in uranium from seawater would certainly happen if a government sees uranium supplies as a national security interest. Governments will invest in this even if the pay off later is little to nothing. Not having to beg others for energy gives a lot more security than investing in more battle tanks and bombers.

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    3. Re:So, if 1000x as much as we have... by sfcat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >given that no new reactors are constructed

      Isn't that the point? There is no such thing as a truly "global nuclear power industry." To me, the 'centuries' estimate implies a global industry providing power to the entire world while also replacing fossil fuels and supporting a general increase of demand for energy as technology progresses.

      Ok, so you want to do this in global total energy. So lets do that. World consumes about 50PWh of fuel (converting fuel to electricity for simplicity) and electricity a year. We get > 90% of that from fossil fuels right now. So about 8000h/yr (with a 90% capacity factor which is common in nuclear) and that's 6.25TWs of production or 6,250 1GW reactors. So a current generation LWR will consume about 200 tons every 4 years so that's 50 tons/yr/GW. So that's 312,500 tons per year or ~283,495 tonnes. So 4.5b tonnes mentioned above (which is renewed each year naturally at an unknown rate) would be about 15,800 years. Now, I've ignored the issue of enrichment, so let's adjust for that. So the fuel is about 3% enriched (2% for initial load, 4% for refueling rods) and that's 4x more U-235 than natural Uranium, so divide by 4.

      So that's a hair under 4000 years of supply for all the worlds fuel and electricity at current rates. And as I said, its naturally replenished at an unknown rate. Its likely that if we used a lot of uranium from seawater that the increased difference in concentration would increase this rate of natural replenishment.

      And of course, with Thorium we have far larger reserves than Uranium and since we burn up the common isotope of Thorium we end up with far more energy per amount of raw material and a 300 years supply of the stuff is sitting around in slag heaps across the world and that doesn't count all the huge piles of the stuff near every rare earth mine. So no, there is no way we are running out of nuclear fuel anytime soon. Try doing this with any other energy source and you either get climate change (fossil fuels) or you have to ramp up mining to an absurd degree to get the raw materials you need. Try doing some research into what it would take to get 100% of just CAs energy needs from renewables (hint nameplate capacity isn't what counts). You quickly run out of the entire world's supply of various types of raw materials (including land) for any scheme you ramp up. This is why nuclear is really the only good option we have or likely will have in our lifetimes.

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    4. Re:So, if 1000x as much as we have... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      So about 8000h/yr (with a 90% capacity factor which is common in nuclear) and that's 6.25TWs of production or 6,250 1GW reactors.
      The CF of all power plants together is less than 50%. Because that is how much the load curve over a day varies.

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    5. Re:So, if 1000x as much as we have... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      This web page shows some numbers to back that up: http://cmo-ripu.blogspot.com/2... [blogspot.com],

      Please note that the material equivalents are provable bullshit. For example, in the solar case, the cement requirements are ridiculous (there's virtually none necessary in almost all cases, what with roof installations always using metallic structures and ground installations *allowing* for concrete foundations but really using mostly screw installations these days, being much faster and cheaper to install, and especially to clean up afterwards) and the steel requirements are overblown by a factor of five at least.

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    6. Re:So, if 1000x as much as we have... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I think the point was that the demand is not fixed, so the number of reactors calculated doesn't make any sense whatsoever since it only applies to a hypothetical fixed demand (and not just that, even fixed *local* demand in every single location in the absence of a global power transmission network; merely fixed average global demand would be equally unhelpful). Hence the observation that real-world capacity factor is less than or equal to the theoretical capacity factor is correct.

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  2. "The man who ploughed the sea"/A.C. Clarke by mykepredko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's amazing how many concepts and technologies have been predicted by early science fiction.

    As soon as I saw the headline, I thought of Arthur C. Clarke's "The man who ploughed the sea" and how it is a cautionary tale for people who think about investing with fast talkers.

  3. Re:But 99% of that is 'worthless' U-238 by blindseer · · Score: 2

    I mean, it's cool that you can pull nuclear fuel from the ocean, but it still has to be enriched as presumably aqueous uranium has the same abysmal percentage of U-235 as the terrestrial ores that are already being mined.

    The uranium in seawater does in fact have the same isotopic composition as that mined from the dirt. It's this way because the uranium in the water got there by erosion being dissolved as a salt. The uranium does not need to be enriched to be used as fuel, there are heavy water reactors capable of using natural uranium as fuel. Canada has been using natural uranium as fuel for decades, and sold their designs to India, China, and perhaps other nations, from which local variants have been built. This is not new technology and not rare either.

    Now figure it out how to enrich it at the same time and watch as the world destroys itself building nukes from ocean water.

    By "nukes" I assume you mean nuclear weapons. You do realize what many wars have been fought over, do you not? Resources. People fight over water, fuel, food, and so on. Access to cheap nuclear fission power by extracting uranium from seawater could mean an end to scarcity. Well, there will always be scarcity of something, just not a scarcity of energy. Energy that can be used to produce water, food, shelter, and clothing. That's not saying there won't be wars, people fight for other reasons. Many such people fight because their god tells them to convert or kill. If they were more concerned about live and let live then they'd be far better off and not feel such jealousy of other people having greater wealth, freedom, and generally a better standard of living.

    Nuclear energy has as much to do with nuclear weapons as gasoline cars have with napalm. When you gas up your car do you think about how many people could be burned to ash if we used that fuel to bomb cities instead of use it to power the transportation sector of the world? You don't? Maybe that's because peaceful energy is far more valuable than weapons to deny other people of their wealth, property, and lives.

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  4. 1000x considered paltry by epine · · Score: 2

    Seems somebody has trouble with numbers.

    And ... that somebody is you.

    In Economics 101, when a supply curve shifts to a lower price point (e.g. due to a technology such as this one) the demand curve almost always shifts to higher demand. And so every plenitude uptick is slated to run out in about a hundred years, no matter how much greater the new plenitude over the incumbent what-have-you-done-for-me-lately.

    This phenomena is especially well known in the department of traffic congestion, which is why you can't build your way out of a snarl. Spanky new roads induce spanky new suburban commuter swarms emanating from spanky new gated communities.

    There's also a bit of irony here that the Leela–Stockfish TCEC superfinal has just concluded with Stockfish winning by a hair (50-49, with game 100 in a position Leela can't win, and the TCEC client server momentarily 404). And sure enough, people are found in the chess comments sections complaining that Leela trains too slowly, given only petaflops do to her business.

    Aww, shucks. Only meagre petaflops for an unfunded vanity project (yes, I admit, one that's super cool).

    Plenitude: they just don't build it like they used to.

  5. So Jules Verne wasn't that far off by rlauzon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/164/164-h/164-h.htm#chap11 "Professor," said Captain Nemo, "my electricity is not everybody's. You know what sea-water is composed of. In a thousand grammes are found 96 1/2 per cent. of water, and about 2 2/3 per cent. of chloride of sodium; then, in a smaller quantity, chlorides of magnesium and of potassium, bromide of magnesium, sulphate of magnesia, sulphate and carbonate of lime. You see, then, that chloride of sodium forms a large part of it. So it is this sodium that I extract from the sea-water, and of which I compose my ingredients. I owe all to the ocean; it produces electricity, and electricity gives heat, light, motion, and, in a word, life to the Nautilus."

  6. Re:Will it work for Lithium or Gold? by quenda · · Score: 2

    A few tonnes of uranium in old reactors, vs billions of tons of dissolved uranium.
    Also, removing solid pollutants is a totally different technical problem from extracting a tiny portion of dissolved salts.

    I'm not sure AC is grasping the interesting issue here.
    It like somebody comes up with a new way to extract oil from underground reserves, and some dumb AC suggests looking in the oil sumps at the local car-wrecking yard first.

  7. Re:But 99% of that is 'worthless' U-238 by sfcat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Canada has been using natural uranium as fuel for decades, and sold their designs to India, China, and perhaps other nations, from which local variants have been built. This is not new technology and not rare either.

    CANDU reactors have a positive void coefficient meaning if they start to boil off their water (just bubbles form, not fill boil), they overheat quickly. This is very dangerous. One of the few sensible US nuclear regulations is not allowing reactors with positive void coefficients. It is quite nice that they can use raw ore but at the cost of having to use heavy water which is really just shifting the problem of enrichment, not fixing it. However, the Canadians usually have more sensible nuclear regulations and hopefully will start licensing MSRs soon.

    Now figure it out how to enrich it at the same time and watch as the world destroys itself building nukes from ocean water.

    By "nukes" I assume you mean nuclear weapons. You do realize what many wars have been fought over, do you not? Resources. People fight over water, fuel, food, and so on. Access to cheap nuclear fission power by extracting uranium from seawater could mean an end to scarcity. Well, there will always be scarcity of something, just not a scarcity of energy. Energy that can be used to produce water, food, shelter, and clothing. That's not saying there won't be wars, people fight for other reasons. Many such people fight because their god tells them to convert or kill. If they were more concerned about live and let live then they'd be far better off and not feel such jealousy of other people having greater wealth, freedom, and generally a better standard of living.

    Nuclear energy has as much to do with nuclear weapons as gasoline cars have with napalm. When you gas up your car do you think about how many people could be burned to ash if we used that fuel to bomb cities instead of use it to power the transportation sector of the world? You don't? Maybe that's because peaceful energy is far more valuable than weapons to deny other people of their wealth, property, and lives.

    Well said and spot on...

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  8. Re:But 99% of that is 'worthless' U-238 by blindseer · · Score: 2

    Can't speak for anyone else, but I think about how much devastation follows this unnecessary use of fossil fuels. We could make 100% of our transportation fuel needs from algae grown on seawater by allocating a relatively small portion of desert.

    We could also make all of our transportation fuel by hydrocarbon synthesis driven by nuclear fission. This is not new technology. We figured out how to get economically viable energy from fission in the 1950s. We figured out how to synthesize hydrocarbons suitable for use as aircraft fuel since the 1930s. There's been a lot of effort in combining the two by the US Navy but our congresscritters seem more interested in burning money on more failures in solar power projects and electric airplanes.

    Well, we could have. Now that climate change is causing feet of snow to fall on Arizona, and the like, it probably wouldn't work so well as it might have.

    Right, global warming causes snow in Arizona. Tell me something, what kind of weather or climate event would there have to be to disprove the theory of human caused global warming from burning fossil fuels? If record heat in Arizona proves global warming, and increased snow in Arizona proves global warming, then what would disprove it?

    The climate changes, and I can't seem to find anyone to dispute that. If you want me to believe your theory then first I need to see the theory explained in a way that is falsifiable. Then I'd further need to see solutions based on real science and current technology. If you want me to believe that we can grow our fuel in algae ponds in the (snowy) deserts of Arizona then prove the technology as viable. We've proven nuclear fission as viable. We know we can synthesize hydrocarbons, the Nazis flew their fighters off such fuel at the end of WWII. Maybe the economics right now estimates the fuel cost in the $4 to $6 per gallon range for synthesized hydrocarbons, but that's far better than the failed algae fuel experiments so far.

    Here's an explanation of this seawater to aviation fuel Navy project in under 15 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    This works. It works now. To make it to market needs only Congress allowing the building of more nuclear power and funding more research in the Navy. In a matter of a few years the Navy will not be adding any carbon into the natural carbon cycle. A few years later the Air Force and Army can join in. In no time this could come to market with no need for new charging stations in parking lots or disposing of the existing vehicles and infrastructure. Every diesel engine in existence becomes zero carbon overnight.

    Will algae do that? Perhaps. I know what is holding up synthetic fuels. It is the Democrat "Green New Deal" that denies us access to nuclear power. What's holding up algae fuels? I know what that is too. The laws of physics and economics. We can change the laws of the land, we cannot change the laws of physics and economics.

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  9. Re:But 99% of that is 'worthless' U-238 by blindseer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Read this:
    https://www.statesman.com/news...

    And this:
    https://thehill.com/opinion/en...

    Then go on about how renewable energy makes more economic sense than nuclear power. Let's assume that nuclear power is not profitable now. What happens as energy prices continue to rise from government mandates for renewable energy like these? At some point those lines cross and nuclear power becomes profitable again.

    Also, it took decades of investment, private and public, in wind and solar energy to bring the price down like it did. This investment included the ability to build prototypes for testing and cost estimation. You think that maybe we could do the same with nuclear power? Build some prototypes of new models so that we can test the technology and economics? As it is now the problem isn't the money, there's lots of private investors willing to put money in nuclear energy. The problem is the Democrats not allowing even the construction of prototypes. Just recently we saw some prototypes getting built because of Trump, Perry, and other Republicans that are taking energy independence seriously. What we get from Democrats is a very unscientific look at the problem. They just throw other people's money at the problem and hope it buys them enough votes for the next election.

    You are very correct in that the Democrat distaste for nuclear power predates the GND. That goes all the way back to Carter with his sweaters and solar panels, at least that far back. 40+ years later and we still haven't replaced nuclear power with wind and solar power. I'm guessing in another 40 years it still won't happen.

    There's a name for doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.

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  10. US Stealing Japanese Technology! by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

    So it's okay for the US to take Japanese technology but not for anyone to use US technology! /s

  11. Re:But 99% of that is 'worthless' U-238 by blindseer · · Score: 3, Informative

    And this:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/m...

    France has been able to keep both costs and CO2 emissions low with their nuclear power. You want me to believe that we can do better than both Germany and France if only we build more batteries? Batteries don't produce electricity. To get cheap electricity out you have to put even cheaper electricity in, that's to make up for the capital investment in building the batteries and for energy losses in the storage.

    Oh, and Germany already has access to ample energy storage. They sell their electricity to their neighbors that have lots of hydro and then buy it back later. They have to sell cheaper than French nuclear and then buy at prices higher than they can produce, that's just how the market works. That won't change with batteries in Germany.

    You believe Germany has the technology now to build energy storage that's cheaper than storing energy in a tank of Russian natural gas? Or cheaper than Scandinavian hydro? What's stopping them then? They should be well on their way to telling France and Russia that their energy won't be needed any more. Instead we see them making plans for another natural gas pipeline from Russia.

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  12. Re:But 99% of that is 'worthless' U-238 by sfcat · · Score: 2

    The algae keep dying off at certain levels of scale.

    Could you be more specific? Say, providing any information at all?

    Well, something is very wrong with the process. Here is more info. All those biofuel companies are pivoting away from algae. They know something we don't. As I said, current speculation on what it is is that you can't keep the algae alive at scale. Algal blooms in the wild often poison themselves and everything else in different ways after a time, perhaps that's the issue. Maybe its something else, cost of maintaining the pools perhaps. Either way, it doesn't work. Its yet another unicorn.

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