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Microsoft CEO Defends Pentagon Contract Following Employee Outcry (theverge.com)

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is defending the company's $479 million contract with the Pentagon to supply augmented reality headsets to the U.S. military. "We made a principled decision that we're not going to withhold technology from institutions that we have elected in democracies to protect the freedoms we enjoy," he told CNN Business at Mobile World Congress. "We were very transparent about that decision and we'll continue to have that dialogue [with employees]," he added during the exclusive interview. From the report: Microsoft was awarded the contract to supply "Integrated Visual Augmentation System" prototypes to the U.S. military in November. The company could eventually deliver over 100,000 headsets under the contract. Microsoft's HoloLens augmented reality technology allows users to see the world around them, but with virtual graphics overlaid. The Israeli military, which has taken delivery of some HoloLens headsets, says the technology can be used to help commanders visualize the battlefield and field medics to consult doctors. According to procurement documents, the U.S. military is seeking a single platform that provides its forces with "increased lethality, mobility and situational awareness" in combat. Microsoft employees have recently circulated a letter addressed to Nadella and Brad Smith, the company's president and chief legal officer, arguing that the company should not supply its HoloLens technology to the U.S. military. "It's not about taking arbitrary action by a single company, it's not about 50 people or 100 people or even 100,000 people in a company," he said. "It's really about being a responsible corporate citizen in a democracy."

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  1. Ugh, linking to the Verge? by ToTheStars · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How about a source that doesn't abuse YouTube's copyright system to cover their incompetence? Here's one: https://www.engadget.com/2019/...

    For context: https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    (I guess I don't know that Engadget hasn't ever misbehaved, but Vox and The Verge are pretty regularly obnoxious.)

  2. Modern tech started with the US Military by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If it wasn't for the armed forces investing lots of money in this stuff in the last 3/4 of a century most of you kiddies wouldn't have a job today except maybe factory work

    Intel started making memory chips for Minuteman missiles

    the internet and everything around it was originally a DoD program to build a network that could survive a nuclear war

    CPU development was originally financed by the military

    The ENIAC was built to calculate artillery fire tables

    NASA was a civilian program to build ballistic missiles that just happened to buy lots of then new mainframes

      DARPA funded the original AI and machine learning research as part of the war in Afghanistan.

    the US military was one of Microsoft's first customers and even used Windows and SQL server on ships in the 90's.

    The Army was buying tens of thousands of Exchange and office licenses in the 90's.

    1. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nah. Porn would have picked up the slack.

      Porn is a consumer of tech, and provides market incentives for innovations, but they don't fund research.

      Porn drove wide adoption of VCRs and DVDs, but pornographers exploited the tech, they did not create it.

    2. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by TigerPlish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And with the Brits, and Poles, and Germans, and.... fellas, WAR advances tech.

      Modern tech started with the US Military (Score:2, Troll)

      That said -- WTF, how is the parent modded Troll?! It's a Troll to tell the fucking truth?

      Truly, this place has gone over to the fucking dogs.

      Can someone explain to me what, exactly, was Trollish in the parent? Huh?

      Oh right, most people here use Troll instead of replying a rebuttal.

      the OP was right on the money. Just a little narrow in scope in who bumped up tech in the last big one. It was all the players... yes, even ITaly, where the hell you think the swept wing came from?

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    3. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by Atmchicago · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If it wasn't for the armed forces investing lots of money in this stuff in the last 3/4 of a century most of you kiddies wouldn't have a job today except maybe factory work

      First, all that money comes from taxpayers ("you kiddies"). Second, what you say just means spending on research enables discoveries and new engineering. There's no reason why that spending has to be military. It may even be the case that, had the money been spent on non-military applications, then the taxpayers would have received an even better bang-for-buck.

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    4. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by kenh · · Score: 3, Informative

      CPU development was originally financed by the military

      First CPU, the 4004, was developed for a calculator

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    5. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by JBMcB · · Score: 3, Informative

      CPU development was originally financed by the military

      First CPU, the 4004, was developed for a calculator

      That was the first microprocessor, not CPU. The first small-scale integrated CPUs were designed for missile guidance systems.

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    6. Re: Modern tech started with the US Military by astrofurter · · Score: 2

      Shhhhhhh.... Don't mention the elephant in the room!

    7. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by kenh · · Score: 2

      The US Military is STILL a large customer for Microsoft products, they use Windows and SQL Server on current military vessels.

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    8. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by kenh · · Score: 2

      The effort to reach the moon drove way more tech and for less than the military...

      The Vietnam war cost $168BN, in 1975 dollars:

      https://thevietnamwar.info/how...

      The Apollo space program cost $170BN:

      https://www.extremetech.com/ex...

      Or did you mean all military spending since 1775?

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    9. Re: Modern tech started with the US Military by jouassou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The US has the largest prison population in the world per capita. If you define a "free country" as a "country where you deprive as few people as possible of their freedoms", then the prison population alone disproves your point.

    10. Re: Modern tech started with the US Military by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Officially. When dipshits like you post that, you always forget to put in the "officially". And when you read through the link you posted, they admit, it doesn't include people who are in forced labor camps, reeducation camps and various other detention centers. Just prison.

    11. Re: Modern tech started with the US Military by MarkVVV · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have an easy solution to that. Do not commit felonies, then you won't go to prison.

    12. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      Just lost your geek card there ken. the first microprocessor was not the first CPU.

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    13. Re:Modern tech started with the US Military by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Intel started making memory chips for Minuteman missiles

      You know who didn't? MOS Technology.

      I mention this because the alternate timeline where Intel doesn't exist isn't one where the personal computer revolution doesn't occur. Intel certainly made a massive impression with the original 4004, but the 4004 as-was was virtually useless, it was a landmark because it was the first of a generation of CPUs that people were working on anyway.

      At the same time as the 4004 was being designed, Intel had a parallel project called the 8008. The 8008 wasn't a development of the 4004 (IIRC it wasn't even made by the same people), it was an entirely different contract. Two external businesses, one making calculators, the other terminals, had asked Intel to put all the logic into a smaller number of chips. Intel responded by putting the calculator logic in the 4004, and the terminal logic in the 8008.

      So, what does that mean? It means if Intel didn't exist, then Busicom and CTC would have found another supplier, and there were plenty of companies making chips in 1970-72 that would have made them. TI and Motorola, to name but two.

      Assuming Motorola didn't make those chips, it's safe to say Motorola would still have produced the 6800. And its designers would have hopped over to MOS Technology with the 6502.

      And so the Apple II would still have been made. And meanwhile Jack Tramiel would have bought MOS, and it would have continued to make 6502s, and memory chips, and cool graphic chips, and eventually the VIC-20 and then Commodore 64 - the world's best selling microcomputer - would have been made.

      The company that made the 4004 and 8008 might have gone in the same direction as Intel, or not, who knows. But it wouldn't have mattered much. Without the 8080 we might not have seen the Z80 or S-100 bus, but it's fair to say we would still have seen the 68000, and then the PowerPC and ARM chips. And it's reasonable to suppose that as IBM repeatedly tried to enter the PC market during the 1970s, it would have eventually hit on a formula that worked, probably in the form of a 6502 or 68000 based machine.

      The DoD did indeed pump money into the industry, but that doesn't mean we ever needed the DoD.

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  3. Wow. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did Microsoft just refer to the Department of Defense as an "institution we elected"?

    Because I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works.

    1. Re:Wow. by Shaitan · · Score: 2

      "Because I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works."

      No, that isn't SUPPOSED to be how it works. It definitely is how it works. Another alarming phrase "corporate citizen", last I checked corporations are not citizens.

  4. What does that have to do with the price of tea by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We made a principled decision that we're not going to withhold technology from institutions that we have elected in democracies to protect the freedoms we enjoy,"

    What about institutions that got elected through gerrymandering in oligarchies to protect profits for oil barons at the expense of human lives, especially in the middle east but also all over the planet? Asking for 7.53 billion friends.

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  5. Re:Forcing Tech Staff to Create Death by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

    the best tech workers seem to be the ones making cool stuff like F-22's and new aircraft carriers and drones. Not writing python scripts that are in perpetual beta

  6. At least its better than the alternative by Octorian · · Score: 2

    The alternative is giving this contract to one of your more traditional defense contractors, who is probably going to charge a lot more and deliver a significantly worse product. Oh, it'll also be late and grossly over budget, if it happens at all. And when all is said and done, they might procure Microsoft hardware anyways... as some component of their system that the news doesn't report on.

  7. -- Are You Nuts? by Slicker · · Score: 2

    Few people want war but ignoring reality by pretending there is no International threat is wilful ignorance deserving of punishment. These are our lives and the lives of our allies around the world that depend heavily upon advanced military technologies.

    The only thing holding back Russia and China is U.S. military power and this is waning -- and this isn't working so well, as of late.. Russia now holds tanks with longer shooting and driving range, more speed, and greatly superior armor.. Russia holds exceptional surface to air defense capabilities. China seems to think it holds military comparability and is pushing the limits with its claim on control of the entire South China sea and the 1/3rd of the worlds commerce that flows through it..

    North Korea continues and has recently expanding its production of nuclear ICBMs, under the cover of peace talks..

    War -- even world war -- is closer than it has ever been since the end of the last one. The era of peace we've enjoyed for so long is likely to soon end. Keeping it depends on advancing capabilities rapidly... Not doing so is murder far greater than anything you've mentioned.

  8. Re:Forcing Tech Staff to Create Death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This seems to be "Microsoft invents HoloLens" and then miliitary sees the (OBVIOUS) military applications and puts in an order for 100,000.

    This does not seem to be Microsoft being pro-military. Rather, the military buying 100,000 SKU off the shelf, not unlike if they ordered 100,000 Office 365 licenses.

    But I could be wrong. Still. How many food suppliers supply the US Military? Or "Skillcraft", the company that makes US Military pens?

  9. Um... not exactly by rsilvergun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the Military was just the excuse used to get the wealthy to let themselves be taxed so we could pay for it to be developed.

    I've got a crazy idea: how about we have modern civilization without a Military Industrial Complex by just taxing the rich whether they like it or not?

    Also, are you suggesting the Army was responsible for the horror that is Microsoft Exchange and Office? Best argument for ending war I've ever heard in my life...

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    1. Re:Um... not exactly by kenh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've got a crazy idea: how about we have modern civilization without a Military Industrial Complex by just taxing the rich whether they like it or not?

      So, if we tax the rich we don't need a military?

      What are you, 12 years old?

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    2. Re: Um... not exactly by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's funny how "the rich who won't pay taxes no matter what" still manage to make up 70%+ of all taxes collected.

  10. I, for one, don't mind by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, mind you I used to work for the defense industry, so I may be a bit biased...

    I think war technology is a good thing. I would much prefer to simply not go to war, but that sentiment hasn't really held sway at any point in the last few thousand years or so. Somebody always wants to abuse somebody else, and when that ambition reaches the scale of having entire demographics in conflict, you get a war.

    Like all large-scale endeavors, a war is messy. People often have their own goals for joining an organization. In a large corporation, their goals might be as sinister as "get paid to sleep", but in a war, they might find a convenient way to hide a murderous rampage under the guise of patriotic service. Of course, this is something everyone (else) would like to avoid, but it's hard to spot the difference between a psychopathic killer and a well-trained soldier.

    In the rest of society, this is where a justice system comes into play. Knowing that evidence will be collected and that a crime is likely to be punished deters further crime. Attempts to hide a crime often just produce more evidence against the perpetrators. No, it's not a perfect system, and the justice system itself can be abused, but it's still a net benefit in a peaceful society.

    In war, the rigid justice system is often placed second to completing a mission, and any allegations of wrongdoing will be accompanied by very sparse surviving evidence. Within a few days of a crime, witnesses are reassigned, memories are repressed, and new missions take priority over a bureaucratic boondoggle.

    Technology doesn't have those limits. Events can be captured, and recordings can be archived. Decisions can be made far from the field of battle, in the safety of a conference room and with the pooled knowledge and awareness of the whole team, supported by streaming intelligence from remote surveillance. Those decisions and the resulting actions can be analyzed, dissected, replayed, and repeated endlessly as a training exercise, until every soldier behaves exactly as the commanders (right up the chain to the top) have authorized.

    No, it's not going to be easy. Yes, there will be misbehavior and abuse. There will still be the rampaging marauders who use the military as a ride to a third-world country so they can indulge their own anarchist fantasy. Even if everyone acts appropriately, there will be edge cases that lead to mistakes in everyone's judgement. Nothing will be a perfect solution, but we can work to make it better.

    We can put always-on cameras on each soldier. We can use AI to suggest different interpretations of intelligence reports. We can use high-precision guided weaponry to avoid collateral damage. We can use computerized information systems to present an accurate understanding of evidence, and most importantly, we can support a military culture where soldiers know they will be accountable for their actions, and can trust that they will be guided appropriately.

    A military is a machine, and for as long as there have been soldiers, they have just been parts in that machine. With modern technology, we can improve the machine, to make it the most reliable, most accurate, and least error-prone.

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    1. Re: I, for one, don't mind by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Is there a technology that doesn't have a clear potential for abuse? I'm a techie. For my working life, I want to be part of creating technology. I'm also a citizen, and express my views about the use of technology, and in that capacity I want to prevent certain things from happening regardless of technology.

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  11. Re:Food started with the farmer. by kenh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does your farm use GPS for crop management or any other application?

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  12. Outcry by somenickname · · Score: 3, Insightful

    50 people doesn't constitute an "outcry" at a company of 100,000+. 50 people barely constitutes and outcry at a company of 1000. If you don't want to work on a project that's going to be used by the military, don't work on a project that's going to be used by the military*.

    * Alternatively, fill your bosses house with a giant tinfoil pan of popcorn.

  13. Re: The right decision by MS!!! by kenh · · Score: 2

    During the manhattan project, many were troubled by the massive weaponry they were developing, but they persisted because they knew that the enemies of civilization were working on the same thing, and they knew the only thing worse than developing the atom bomb first would be to not develop the atom at all and let their enemies have the weapon.

    It is arrogance to assume that a particular engineer/scientist can stop a technology from being developed. Refusal to develop it only means we won't have it when our enemies develop it.

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  14. Enhanced by the soldier by CaptQuark · · Score: 3, Informative

    How about the computer that runs your tractor? The integrated circuits that control the hydraulics? The touch screen that configures much of the tractor? The synthetic lubricants in the engine? The joystick that controls the accessories? How about duck tape, weather radar, synthetic rubber tires, etc.

    Many of these technologies started in the military and then became general use items, thanks to military research and development.

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  15. Microsoft's Defense by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

    In responding, a Microsoft spokesperson said, "Come on guys, who would run a battleship on Windows? Seriously? That thing would blue-screen at the first sign of a threat. It's obvious we are trying to cause peace here."

    Richard Stallman couldn't be reached for comment, but was heard laughing in the back.

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