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Studies Keep Showing That the Best Way To Stop Piracy Is To Offer Cheaper, Better Alternatives (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: Study after study continues to show that the best approach to tackling internet piracy is to provide these would-be customers with high quality, low cost alternatives. That idea was again supported by a new study this week out of New Zealand first spotted by TorrentFreak. The study, paid for by telecom operator Vocus Group, surveyed a thousand New Zealanders last December, and found that while half of those polled say they've pirated content at some point in their lives, those numbers have dropped as legal streaming alternatives have flourished.

The study found that 11 percent of New Zealand consumers still obtain copyrighted content via illegal streams, and 10 percent download infringing content via BitTorrent or other platforms. But it also found that users are increasingly likely to obtain that same content via over the air antennas (75 percent) or legitimate streaming services like Netflix (55 percent). "In short, the reason people are moving away from piracy is that it's simply more hassle than it's worth," says Vocus Group NZ executive Taryn Hamilton said in a statement. "The research confirms something many internet pundits have long instinctively believed to be true: piracy isn't driven by law-breakers, it's driven by people who can't easily or affordably get the content they want," she said.

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  1. Apple computer by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    got to be the most profitable company in the world by selling relatively small amounts of product at very high prices. I don't think the content creators care. Right now the goal seems to be for Disney to buy literally everything and sell it back to us at a premium. Not sure if that'll work or not.

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    1. Re:Apple computer by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Most of their profit comes from the iPhone, which is much less expensive than their other hardware. What really made them profitable was having a highly streamlined product line which makes their costs lower than other companies. They also own their own software stack which means that they don't have any direct competitors comparable to the different companies selling Android or Windows devices. They almost died back in the 90's because of the Mac clones. There's also usually not room for more than a few luxury brands.

    2. Re:Apple computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Mac clones increased market share and had little to do with Apple's near demise.

    3. Re:Apple computer by perpenso · · Score: 1

      Most of their profit comes from the iPhone, which is much less expensive than their other hardware.

      But they make up for it in volume. :-) Seriously, they do. Its not the cost of the product, its the profit margin. A very large number of less expensive but higher margin products wins the game.

      What really made them profitable was having a highly streamlined product line which makes their costs lower than other companies.

      I'm not sure this is true. After all the company they outsource their manufacturing to also manufactures for their competitors.

    4. Re:Apple computer by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Make in Communist China for $300, sell in free West for $1000 plus, year after year.

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    5. Re:Apple computer by geekmux · · Score: 1

      got to be the most profitable company in the world by selling relatively small amounts of product at very high prices...

      Selling over 150 million iPhones a year for the last few years represents "small amounts of product"? I doubt you would even find a billionaire who would share that mentality.

      They may enjoy the luxury of high prices (and margins), but they sure as hell didn't get to the top with mediocre sales numbers.

    6. Re:Apple computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most luxury brands are garbage quality. Luxury = status not quality.

      A friend worked in a massive warehouse complex, the place where the shipping containers from China go after they are unloaded from the boats. She was repackaging umbrellas. One shipment of umbrellas was being repackaged and tagged for different department stores. Some were tagged for the high end Neiman Marcus store, some were tagged for the more plebeian JC Penny store. Literally the exact same product in both, but with different tags and prices to fit the different demographics of the store's clientele.

    7. Re: Apple computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why more and more, quality can't compete with junk, and junk wins. If you have no guaratee that paying more will get you better quality, you might as well buy the cheapest thing. Problem is, then there is no market for REAL quality products because a quality product always costs more to produce and therefore has to sell for a higher price than the junk product to make a profit. But if people have been trained to only buy cheap? ... This is THE LEMON MARKET.

    8. Re:Apple computer by xonen · · Score: 1

      They almost died back in the 90's because of the Mac clones.

      Reason being their late switch to the better performing Intel (compatible) cpu's.

      You cannot target professional power users if your hardware does not offer the power those professionals were after. A lot of users choose an alternative platform aka Windows because those workstations were having much better performance and could be replaced more frequent with the latest hardware. After all, the 90's were the time when some users replaced their hardware every 1 1/2 year or even more often because of the fast improvement rate of both CPU speed and storage space. Apple just could not keep up and deliver, despite being the platform of choice for certain audio, video and graphics processing tools.

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    9. Re: Apple computer by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Video game industry is a few giants buying everything and then milking the brands too.

    10. Re:Apple computer by JabrTheHut · · Score: 1

      Uh, no, not even close. In the 90s Intel was the slowest performing desktop CPU by almost any measure. Intel was patting itself on the back for hitting 120MHz in 1995 while Sun hit 200MHz, DEC had the 333MHz Alpha and IBM blew everyone away with gigantic cache sizes, cheating and getting away with it (they completely destroyed the benchmarking system for a while). Oh, and almost everyone was releasing 64-bit hardware that was backwards compatible with 32-bit instruction sets except for Intel, who were claiming the Itanium would soon rule the world.

      I remember using a PowerPC mac that was clocked around 100MHz in 1996 and asking myself why it seemed to be about 10 times faster than a Windows box.

      Intel did eventually catch up, and then got sued by DEC for stealing the internals of the Alpha. Intel lost. Then Intel copied AMD and was last to market for 64-bit CPUs that actually performed. So, no, Intel didn't win because of its CPUs, quite the opposite.

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    11. Re:Apple computer by xonen · · Score: 1

      Question is. Are we talking early 90's or late 90's. For early 90's you are totally right and a 68xxx would run circles around Intel's offerings.

      However, in late 90's, around this magic 1996 year you mentioned, stuff started to change. Intel would double it's CPU speed at a tremendous rate. A single mobo could see 3 CPU generations, going from a 66MHz model all the way to 233. At the end of the decade we hit the magic 1GHz benchmark. In 5 year time, CPU's went from maybe 133MHz around 1995 to 1GHz in 1999.

      Meanwhile, the Motorola series lagged behind. IBM, baking them Motorola's, tried to make improvements but eventually Intel's production process proved to provide better results. That's why Apple eventually switched to Intel anyways, a few years and model or two late.

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    12. Re:Apple computer by JabrTheHut · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. Even with the leaps and bounds of the late 90s Intel still lagged behind everyone else. I remember late 90s CPUs were still two or three times faster than Intel, even if you ignored the core being faster. I remember working on an early 00's UltraSparc workstation that still beat the pants off anything and everything that Intel could ship. Even now Intel is still the second slowest when it comes to servers, with with IBM shipping 5GHz server chips while Oracle has gone down the massively parallel path. Intel won the CPU wars, but I don't think it was ever the fastest desktop until the mid 00's.

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    13. Re:Apple computer by LostMyAccount · · Score: 1

      I worked for a big advertising agency 1993-2005 and at some point around 2001-2002 our prepress group was seriously considering a switch to Wintel platforms because of performance issues and the many headaches of OS 9 and the teething pains of OS X's early releases as well as much better network storage access.

      They ultimately didn't switch for reasons that kind of boiled down to typeface management and some user resistance. We did do a pilot of one machine and the person that used it generally liked it.

      The ranting and raving about Sun, DEC or other workstation CPU superiority is kind of meaningless in this comparison. The RISC/workstation CPUs were in bigger hardware and Intel based servers were just starting to get taken seriously as something beyond glorified desktops in the early 90s.

    14. Re:Apple computer by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      I think if one goes to a Harbor Freight, there are a lot of tools that come off the Chinese boat which seem to go the same route. A lot of the tools there look remarkably like the ones in more expensive hardware stores.

      This creates a vicious cycle. People start to realize that the only difference between a $10 Chinesium wrench from HF versus a $150 part from somewhere else is the name. Or that they can hit Aliexpress or even Taobao and buy stuff even cheaper. Retail stores get undercut, so keep trying to compete by price (which they will lose every time.)

      Instead, it would be nice to see competing by actual quality. This can be done, as I see people happily paying for MAC and Snap-On tools, just because of the name.

    15. Re:Apple computer by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      I would daresay that Power Computing helped things. Apple wasn't floundering because of the Mac clones, but more because they were not keeping up with the PC and Linux, and the world essentially was moving to MS-DOS/Windows for its computing needs.

      Until OS X, macOS was an event-driven cooperative multitasking platform. This meant that if one app didn't yield with a WaitNextEvent() call, the whole system lurched to a stop. In fact, OS 8 was known for having to reboot it often, usually once every few hours, and definitely before doing anything important. OS X, 10.3 was a major milestone which brought Macs back into mainstream computing, and moving to x86 didn't hurt things either.

      Long term, if Apple wants an installed base that will last a while, they need to go back to their roots and start donating to schools, and giving significant educational discounts to students. The momentum from the iPhone is slowing down, so having revenue bases that are constant is a good idea.

    16. Re:Apple computer by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      got to be the most profitable company in the world by selling relatively small amounts of product at very high prices

      Apple initially made its name by selling fairly large amounts of product at relatively low prices. Then it switched to selling fairly small amounts of product at significantly high prices. It got to be the most profitable company in the world by selling highly-polished products (in the shiny sense) which came with lock-in.

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  2. These studies are hogwash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The obvious solution is a 100 dollar a month internet tax on every living soul, and maybe a few dead ones...

    1. Re: These studies are hogwash! by sycodon · · Score: 1

      The study clearly says people won't steal if you give them shit to them for free.

      It's a whole new concept in fighting crime!

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    2. Re:These studies are hogwash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chaddap.

    3. Re: These studies are hogwash! by Z80a · · Score: 1

      If you sell the stuff for cheap enough, they will buy it.
      SPECIALLY if you get around retarded horrible taxes in the country, and sell this product for a price the local population can actually buy.
      There's a reason why steam is pretty much the king of brazil when talking about selling games.

    4. Re:These studies are hogwash! by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Study after study done by actual scientists are "hogwash"? When they dished out intelligence, you must have gone to the wrong queue...

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    5. Re: These studies are hogwash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix almost killed movie piracy but then everyone got plans of their own streaming service and stopped licensing stuff to Netflix.
      So movie piracy is on the way up again because no-one is going to subscribe to a dozen different services.

    6. Re: These studies are hogwash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This exact thing! Not only that, the content owners also believe in regions. Regions means that I as a Norwegian user of Netflix has to pay more money for less content, compared to an US user of the same platform. I'm not falling for a scam like that, so I stopped my Netflix plan. That does not mean I pirate anything, because I don't - I just don't bother with watching TV or movies any more. I spend my time doing other stuff instead. I have a finite amount of money and a finite amount of time. If you want me to give you time and/or money, you'd better make it worth it, because there are other activities fighting for both my time and money.

      I cannot afford, nor bother to subscribe to 7 different platforms for TV/movies. I don't care if this show is made by this or that company. I don't want 7 different launchers, DRM-watchers, shitty bloatwares on my computer. All I want to do is give you my money to enjoy your shit. If you want to make it as difficult and inconvenient to make that exchange happen, I'll just don't bother.

      I also checked when having Netflix, for one of many shows I would like to watch - Family Guy, hoping it would be there. Well sure, 3 seasons of that show was there. Fuck that shit. Oh I know, it's not Netflix' fault, it the ones who owns the distribution license/rights to that show, that doesn't understand that I would maybe want access to all fucking episodes of a show I'm trying to watch, not risking that episodes suddenly are pulled from the fucking library.

      So, I'll take my finite amount of money and give it to someone who wants to sell me their product and not give it to someone who wants me to pay to NOT have access to their product.

    7. Re:These studies are hogwash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHOOSH! Sarcasm is dead...

      I merely posted the industry's opinion and desired solution.

  3. Gouging and overbearing DRM induces piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Charging $40 for one movie on a Blu-Ray is ridiculous and anyone trivially stealing from such ridiculous gougers doesn't feel bad about it at all. The threat of a DCMA letter is low enough to be disregarded as a deterrent.

    1. Re:Gouging and overbearing DRM induces piracy by dk20 · · Score: 1

      Worse.. when they charge $40 for a TV series which should have been funded via the enormous amount of commercials played during the show.

      the markup on TV series on DVD/Blu-ray must be amazing.

    2. Re:Gouging and overbearing DRM induces piracy by TWX · · Score: 1

      They're still wistfully looking back on the era when mass-market VHS tapes were around $20 each and Laserdisc as the premium option was somewhere between $50 and $100 depending on the title, quality of the transfer, and any extra features.

      The problem is that with DVD they picked a format that serves more than one purpose, and to a lesser extent likewise with Blu-ray, such that both are easily read by inexpensive commodity PC hardware in addition to purpose-built players. Had studios/publishers/distributors gone with formats that didn't readily play in PCs then perhaps they could've continued such a pricing scheme without seeing widespread piracy, but like with CD, as soon as the format became easily redistributable in a lossless format then they effectively lost.

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    3. Re:Gouging and overbearing DRM induces piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But you see, they don't want to charge you a reasonable price. They want to charge you a premium price for a product that is full of ads.

      They would rather spend a dollar trying to force you to play by their rules than make a hundred dollars by catering to what the buyers actually want.

      They think this is rational, because they believe they will make more money in the long run, studies be damned.

    4. Re:Gouging and overbearing DRM induces piracy by jjbenz · · Score: 1

      You would think they would realize that charging lower prices would result in more sales. If movies were $5 and TV box sets $10-15 I think a lot more impulse sales would result.

  4. 8 years later same conclusion: Service not price by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Informative

    Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. -- Gabe Newell

    Didn't we already have this discussion 8 years ago ???

  5. Pundits misunderstand ... by perpenso · · Score: 2

    "The research confirms something many internet pundits have long instinctively believed to be true: piracy isn't driven by law-breakers, it's driven by people who can't easily or affordably get the content they want," she said.

    No, the pundits are misunderstanding. Piracy is driven by the convenience of the piracy. Its merely the inconvenience necessary to get them to go legit is proportional to the affordability. However if piracy is convenient enough affordability offers little prevention.

    Once upon a time I had some software bundled with a university textbook, molecular modeling and visualization software. Think a digital version of the plastic ball and stick kits, now add geometry cleanup and various 3D renderings. Not wanting to deal with the hassle of copy protection I did not use any. The textbook included a coupon that let the student buy the software at the university bookstore for US$30. The software was required for the class, software sales were 10% that of the textbook. The publisher said to add copy protection. I selected the simplest, crudest, least like to generate customer support problems copy protection that I could find. Cracks were quickly produced and widely distributed for other software using this copy protection. I didn't care, I wanted to minimize customer support calls. This copy protections software worked. Sale increased to 80% that of the textbook despite cracks being immediately and readily available. This was in a university environment, where many are technically competent or can find someone who is quite easily. Yet the simplest crudest easily defeatable barrier to piracy caused the piracy rate to drop from 90% to 20%.

    People will pirate if it easy to do so, regardless of how low cost a software product is. In other words people will break the law if it is easy enough to do so. Traffic laws, piracy ... similar thing. Nearly anyone will do it if easy enough and the consequences low enough.

    1. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pirate. If I could download an MKV for a few bucks with no watermarks, no delays to market, and no subsequent marketing from the company that knows what I downloaded / who I am / how I paid, I would certainly prefer it to stealing. With pirating I get: faster than redbox, sense of ownership, ease of pause / rewind (streaming sucks), and anonymity. I don't BT, I pay for a service (first rule about) so I do pay! Software is similar. Some software I purchase and then crack to eliminate calls home or DRM. And yes, Steam pisses me off with the online crap. I play fewer games because of Steam. I play many old games because I have the DVD crack for my purchased game. Piracy started the war, made the whole situation suck, and now more piracy is the result. Companies still make money but can't handle it if a single person gets it for free. They make tons of cash and cry foul if a single link is shared even if no one clicked on it. They should realize that these pirates are not / ever / never going to be their customers and they will not / did not lose any money. If I can pirate so easily, all the hoops legitimate users have to jump through are shrinking their market share.

    2. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Wrong. Piracy will never be as convenient as a good, reasonably-priced offer by the original content distributor. Those that will pay will basically always look there first and only look at alternatives if they do not find what they want there. Those that look at pirated version first will almost universally not buy a legitimate version if they cannot get a pirated one. Study after study shows this. There is absolutely no point in preventing non-commercial or low-key commercial piracy. Sure, if a pirate actually pretends to be the legitimate content distributor or creator, that is something else. But that is exceptionally rare and will remain so and the laws were entirely sufficient to deal with that 50 years ago.

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    3. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Piracy can be way more convenient than buying the original content. I pirate tv shows and movies without having to do anything, they're automagically downloaded and moved to the appropriate directories for me, I do nothing but refresh the db in Kodi and enjoy my newly pirated content, I can't imagine anything more convenient than that.

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    4. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just stream pirate movies. With broadband Internet in Europe, waiting for downloading a film is a thing of the past.
      There is the added advantage that if the film is not good, you just stop seeing it.
      It is just that convenient opening an web site in your computer or phone and streaming it to a Chromecast/SmartTV.
      Also adblockers take just fine care of adverts.

    5. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      No, the pundits are misunderstanding. Piracy is driven by the convenience of the piracy. Its merely the inconvenience necessary to get them to go legit is proportional to the affordability. However if piracy is convenient enough affordability offers little prevention.

      This. I jumped on Steam today with my debit card in hand ready to make a purchase only to be greeted with:
      "Notice: Sales of Metro Exodus have been discontinued on Steam due to a publisher decision to make the game exclusive to another PC store."

      I had no such problems on The Pirate Bay. Incidentally my card is still here on the table if the publisher wants to take my money through a means other than installing the Epic fail store on my computer.

    6. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Piracy will never be as convenient as a good, reasonably-priced offer by the original content distributor.

      You're missing availability. Piracy is better than having 10 bloody game stores independently running on a PC, multiple different libraries of music that can't talk to each other, multiple different services offering streaming etc.

      Price is only one factor. Not only is piracy as convenient as downloading a game on Steam (okay there's an additional click because you need to install the download), but the end result has been shown to actually run better on computers with less bullshit affecting the end user.

      Hell I once pirated a game I already owned because the purchased title was just utterly crippled. People used to complain about a 5-10fps hit for enabling anti-aliasing. Where's the same complaint about Denuvo which has been shown repeatedly to offer the same negative performance impact?

    7. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I said "good" offer. What you describe is not a good offer. It is a service nightmare that consumers understandably try not to use.

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    8. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      And you think that this could not be done for legitimate distribution as well? That most legitimate offers suck at this time does not mean that they have to.

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    9. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Piracy will never be as convenient as a good, reasonably-priced offer by the original content distributor.

      You're missing availability. Piracy is better than having 10 bloody game stores independently running on a PC, multiple different libraries of music that can't talk to each other, multiple different services offering streaming etc ...

      That would be because app stores should really just be a front for web services that 3rd party clients plug into to buy and download/cache your purchases thus allowing you to have all your crap in one place instead of every service having its own client. The same incidentally goes for movie streaming services like Netflix. Having said that, he did point out that most of this music is DRM free now so there is nothing preventing you from keeping all your music in one place except laziness. Come to think of it, I'd actually be surprised if there aren't several music-managers on the market already that allow you to fuse your various proprietary music libraries into one UI pretty easily

    10. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I said "good" offer.

      Every publisher is giving a "good" offer. The level of "goodness" being the system you use to get content is not at all within their control. What I describe is a pure luck that favours the first mover over any other factor of "goodness". E.g. EPIC game store could actually be epic, could actually live up to it's name, could offer cheaper games than competitors and thus meet all of the definitions of "good", but still not be suitable for the reasons I mentioned.

    11. Re:Pundits misunderstand ... by BadDreamer · · Score: 1

      The pundits are correct. They say "people who can't easily or affordably get the content they want". Lack of either will cause piracy.

      In your case, when your software had no copy protection, it was easier to simply copy it than to buy it. Once you had minimal protection, buying was easier than copying and cracking.

      Affordability was, as you say, never a factor. But the way of paying for the software might be a barrier as well. If it requires hassle, that will cause piracy as well, simply by being a hassle.

      Whenever the barrier to getting a legitimate copy is higher than the barrier to getting an unsanctioned copy, either in cost or effort (or both), piracy will be rampant. Reverse the barriers, and see lots less piracy. That's what the pundits say, and that's what you observed.

  6. Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean, I'm one of the unfortunate people who ran a BBS back in the late 80's and early 90's who got raided by Federal agents over copyright violation accusations. (Ultimately, they just wound up sitting on all my equipment for over a year, keeping it in a storage locker someplace, until deciding to drop the case and return all of it to me. But as we all know with computer gear, a lot of it had already depreciated considerably by then -- so I was left with a lot of stuff I couldn't resell for much of anything.)

    But way back THEN, we kept trying to tell everyone who would listen that software piracy was a big waste of time for anyone to chase after and try to prosecute. The SAME people guilty of pirating were the BEST CUSTOMERS or ADVOCATES for buying stuff made by the companies trying to squash it!

    For example? One of the "big issues" they had with my BBS was that someone had uploaded a cracked copy of a version of AutoCAD to the "New Uploads" folder. While it's true that's a really expensive piece of software? It's also true that the users on my BBS were mostly kids who could never afford to buy AutoCAD, nor would they ever have a real cost justification to buy it, if they DID have the money. By them pirating it around though, it encouraged some of them to buy a book on how to use it, and they spent some time learning the application. That, in turn, means there's a whole self-taught generation of people who could grow up to work for companies who DO legitimately buy the software, the maintenance agreements, and all of the upgrades and add-ons for it. That's a big win for AutoDesk, whether they admit it or not! Those people aren't going to be happy if the company buys a competitor's CAD product. They want the one they're comfortable with!

    When you challenge most software firms with this kind of logic, they typically turn around and give a lecture on there being a "right and a wrong way" to go about learning their products -- perhaps throwing in the fact that they sell "student versions" much cheaper for students. And you know? That's all true, technically. If you're purely a "letter of the law" and "show no mercy" type, I guess there's your answer? But I bet the "pirates" on BBS's like mine, back then, OFTEN got a career in I.T. or in using one or more of these business apps thanks to having a way to download it for free, on their own terms, to use on their own PC, on their own schedule. And it just wouldn't have ever happened if you expected them to opt to pursue it in college (when they're already cramming their brains full of other course content they need to get through to graduate).

    1. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck trying to squeeze extra $80 copies of your software from broke Asian kids (the continent; russia, india, etc) in the ghettos of their countries.

      The absurdity of that monetary desire is two-fold:
      1) They ain't got your quarterly-growth USD in the first place
      2) These are skiddies* who, in their poverty, have all fsking day to wander the nets, in communities of kin. Much like we used to, going back to dialup and a niche field touched only by the fringe, the ostracized. Remember the immersion involved. THAT is who you want to squeeze an extra 2% of copies sold with?

      The septembers herping it up in huluflix and facetweet and pandorify and amazon and youtube and... anyway, THOSE people can be squeezed into paying up. 1) They have money 2) lol I don't have time to deal with inconvenience, I'm going to a sports bar in an hour then watching a capeshit movie FWC4life bitches (the opposite of wandering the warez scene all year long)

      *ie future writers of the CouponPrinter/PDFconverter/SuperSearchBar payload, making money off auction/ticket bots, MMO goldbotters, etc happy to make that $1/hr

    2. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by redlemming · · Score: 1

      When you challenge most software firms with this kind of logic, they typically turn around and give a lecture on there being a "right and a wrong way" to go about learning their products -- perhaps throwing in the fact that they sell "student versions" much cheaper for students. And you know? That's all true, technically. If you're purely a "letter of the law" and "show no mercy" type, I guess there's your answer?

      A strong argument can be made that current US copyright law violates the highest law in the land, and is therefore illegal, which makes the position taken by the "letter of law" folks particularly absurd.

      The argument rests on the right to ethical practice of law, certainly an universal and inalienable right in any society based on the rule of law. In the US, this right can be asserted as a right "retained by the people" under the 9th Amendment, and "reserved to the people" under the 10th.

      James Madison deliberately made the 9th and 10th Amendments open-ended to allow the assertion of fundamental rights outside the legislative process, to ultimately limit the power of government, in response to the argument posed by the Anti-Federalists that any Bill of Rights would inevitably leave out important rights that government would eventually try to infringe. In other words, he recognized that there needed to be a mechanism outside the normal political process to limit the abuse of fundamental rights by government - and he embedded that mechanism into the highest law of the land (which all senior government officials and all legal professionals swear oaths to uphold).

      Under the right to ethical practice of law even the appearance of conflict of interest must be avoided when reasonable alternatives exist.

      US copyright law violates this right in several ways. For one, it's too complex - it's very hard to determine whether something is under copyright, who holds the copyright, and when that copyright can be infringed (i.e. ignored) as an exercise of "fair use" rights. For another, the long durations of copyright - under the current implementation where access is governed by contract - create long term artificial demand for the services of lawyers.

      Both complex laws and contract related matters generate enormous business for the legal profession, so the conflict of interest is clear here.

      There's also a question concerning whether the lawyers have written the law to be too favourable to the groups that tend to hire the most lawyers (such as big corporations), and not the actual content creators. Consider the case of musicians and authors (most of whom make a very small percentage of the gross resulting from their work), for an example of how this plays out.

      The government could avoid the first issue by making the law simpler, with some easy way for anybody to freely and easily determine copyright for most works via the Internet - and sensible, clearly stated rules for "fair use" that cover the most common cases. They could avoid the second by either making the duration of copyright shorter, or having some automatic mechanism that avoided contract law after an initial period, perhaps with a percentage of any gross replacing contract for all commercial transactions. The last issue could be fixed by allowing some percentage of the gross to always stay with the people creating the content (or allowing the copyright in whole or part to revert to them after a moderate period of years).

      So we have both conflict of interest and reasonable alternatives: the Bill of Rights violation is clear - and that in turn means that the lawyers who have been upholding the current law (creating precedents to support it, or bringing cases under it) are in violation of their oaths to uphold the Bill of Rights.

      Apparently the lesson provided by the Nuremberg Precedent hasn't changed the tendency of people to do that kind of thing.

      The right thing to do would be to fix the law. We certainly pay legislators (and their staffs) enough that they sho

    3. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the highest court in the land (who's job it is to decide whether lesser laws violate the highest law in the land) decided in Eldred v. Ashcroft that the US copyright law is in fact constitutional.

      Good luck getting the right mix of judges on the bench (and the right case going all the way to the highest court) to get that ruling overturned.

    4. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      15 years ago the only way to get certain movies here was through the piracy. There were no importers in the country for anything else than the top AAA titles that every movie theater was anyways presenting. The video renting chains were all full of the same AAA or maybe AA titles. What movie industry lacked, was what the music industry had. You could walk to the mainstreet music store and get all the AAA titles you wanted, but if you were after more rare bands and music, you were required to get to know the small odd looking places in the small alleys etc. Go through a second hand stores to check if you find something from there etc.

      And it was not a problem in the country when the Copyright law allowed any citizen to make a fair number of copies of any music or movie that there was available on the market and use those copies or give the copies to your family members or your best friends. In the court that count was defined to be 10 or less. The law as well specifically stated that when the original copy is destroyed, sold, lost or given away, all the copies needs to be destroyed as well as you no more have rights to them. But there was as well exception, you were allowed to loan any material from the public library and produce a copy for your own personal use. Meaning you could loan a movie or a music album and then produce a copy to your own personal use at home. You couldn't make multiple copies but just one.
      The law as well specifically stated that you don't need to make the copy by yourself, but you can use a third party to do it for you. So you could go to library, loan a music CD, go to your friends place and he make copy for you. But he couldn't make the copy for himself but was required to loan the CD himself first from the library.

      This was because it was a human normal social behavior to share experiences, to enjoy from the entertainment together and be social. But to respect the copyright owners rights, the public libraries were such that if you had just 2-3 CD of the latest album, not everyone got it soon because so few copies existed and people loaned them for a week. So you might have been waiting a popular movie or album for loan for months if not even a year. So such a time limitation wasn't harming the sales of the copyrighted material when few copies were available in public library and copies could be made by anyone who loaned them.

      The law as well specifically allowed that example three friends could buy a CD/DVD from the store together, and this way splitting the price to 1/3 for each. Example a movie of 20€ became then 6,66€. And then each three were owners of those, and they could produce a few copies of the original one and have them, as long the original purchased CD/DVD was stored by one of them.

      And this was used by many music fans, as they could split the prices of the products and buy together more, and then get the copies and enjoy from it legally. One have it in MP3 player, one have it in a car and at home, one having it at home living room. And it was not illegal that they could share those with their families as each of them were the social grouping.

      And that way the normal social living was uphold and maintained, sales didn't go smaller because the copying and people didn't abuse the system because it would have been wrong.

      There always were the own problems that you made lots of copies with your best friends etc, and then you didn't anymore see them anymore after years or there were divorsers or deaths, and so on some copies just were left circling when the originals were sold, thrown away etc. But that is just the normal life etc. Sometimes you just found those in the second hand stores that some people were selling away their ex's all stuff or kids have moved to universities and their stuff was on the sale.
      Was that a illegal? Yes, but no one really cared anymore...

      But then started all these which hunt cases, how there are these "evil kids" who copy everything etc. And totally there has been those who just didn't want to

    5. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I learned Photoshop in college, through illicit copies. I can't even guess how many copies I've since paid for, between personal use and work.

    6. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I learned Photoshop in college, through illicit copies. I can't even guess how many copies I've since paid for, between personal use and work.

      This implied causal chain may very well have been true for you. However, I don't believe it is for most.

      Did you pirate a copy of Photoshop because it was free, or did you pirate that specific program because it was the leading application in its category and you wanted to learn that specific program? And then, did you buy copies for work because you had learned it in college from the pirated copy, or did you buy and use it because it is the leading application in its category?

      Compare this for a moment with The Gimp. The Gimp is free. No piracy necessary. You could have it in college and for work for no money at all. Why didn't you use that program, instead of pirating and then paying for Photoshop?

      I would propose that piracy in this category does not generate sales later. Sales are based on using a common, leading program, not just because one could get them for free before needing to buy them. If "free learning" was the true basis for later sales, then The Gimp would be the leading application instead of the alternate.

    7. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Sure, it might be a little mixed, even in my own experience. I'm old enough that when I stumbled onto Photoshop, it was in competition with MacPaint. Gimp wasn't around. For me, it was "here's how to do fun stuff with pictures" and then I got to know the interface and filters and other tools, and never wanted to switch. I tried Gimp later, and couldn't deal with it because everything looked different, before deciding to pay for Photoshop. If Gimp had been around and free and I learned it first, I might have stuck with it. I also glommed on to BBEdit and Debabelizer doing early web development, and specifically requested them for work because they were what I knew best. There's no arguing I couldn't have picked a different or maybe even free text editor, so the free exposure early directly translated to a sale later. Civilization 1 came to me free. That addiction led to me buying probably 6-8 other copies of other versions in later years. I don't know if I would have tried it without that free sample.

      There's other stuff I poked at for a bit and then never used again. This includes Illustrator, another Adobe product. Just wasn't my thing. But no sale was lost, because my couple of hours of fumbling didn't lead anywhere and wouldn't have ever justified payment.

      Word was ubiquitous, but I went out of my way to try other software, and did purchase WordPerfect because I wanted to be a rebel who didn't support the evil empire. Later compatibility issues pulled me into the fold anyway, and now I've got a whole bunch of unreadable old files for my troubles.

      The weirdest edge case is probably a 3D modeler program called Bryce. I had no valid use for it, but I really loved playing with it. I couldn't afford to pay for it when young, and then several computers later, by the time I had the money I had lost interest in messing with it.

    8. Re:Decades of this conclusion change nothing? by redlemming · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the highest court in the land (who's job it is to decide whether lesser laws violate the highest law in the land) decided in Eldred v. Ashcroft that the US copyright law is in fact constitutional.

      Good luck getting the right mix of judges on the bench (and the right case going all the way to the highest court) to get that ruling overturned.

      There's a fun game you can play. Pick a random circuit or Supreme Court decision and see if you spot the cases where they ignore the legal ethics issues.

      There are many such cases. You can even spot at least one from last year - and it's an important case with substantial economic implications - so this is not a problem that is going away.

      That willful blindness is a big part of the reason why the US has such severe problems with ethical practice of law (and why the legal profession collectively makes far more then their counterparts in other developed nations, relative to GDP, some studies suggest roughly 50%).

      Legal ethics problems are a cancer in the body of US law.

      who's job it is to decide whether lesser laws violate the highest law in the land)

      Actually, by definition rights retained by the people are retained by the people and can not be taken away by ANY entity of government - for if they could be taken away by government, they would no longer be retained by the people.

      In logic, that's known as a proof by contradiction - and contradiction in the law is always a violation of the right to ethical practice of law (not the mention the 'good behaviour' requirement for being a federal judge).

      Thus, as part of the government, the Supreme Court does not have the legal authority to refuse to recognize rights the people choose to assert as being retained by them.

      This makes perfect sense if you consider the history. The Bill of Rights was an Enlightenment document, a document from the Age of Reason. Enlightenment thinking accepted the idea that a logical, rational, reasonable argument could and should trump the status quo or established authority. Look at the Declaration of Independence for an example of this.

      Here's another consideration: had the Founding Fathers been prepared to trust in entities defined by the original Constitution, then there wouldn't have been any need for a Bill of Rights. The acceptance of the pre-"Bill of Rights" Constitution was in fact conditional, based in large part on promises from men of honour (who were trusted) that a Bill of Rights would be added. Further, any sensible person in that day and age knew full well that it was neither militarily nor politically feasible to try to coerce people to stay in the union if this expectation was not met.

      Thus, it follows from the history that the Bill of Rights is supposed to be the highest law in the land, superseding the entities defined by the pre-Bill of Rights Constitution: the Presidency, the Congress, and the Supreme Court. It wouldn't make any sense for the Bill of Rights to be simultaneously intended to limit the power of these entities while having it's meaning also defined by them - that would be another contradiction.

      In practice, when you look at decisions like Eldred v. Ashcroft, you'll typically find the lawyers involved completely ignore the legal ethics issues (and almost always act as if the 9th Amendment doesn't exist). The judges get around the problem of not having authority to supersede the rights arising under the 9th Amendment, by simply pretending that the Emperor's new clothes look really nice.

      That is a huge problem.

      There is no doubt that the legal ethics situation in US law is undermining the perceived legitimacy of government in the USA (and that's a big part of the 'piracy' problem), and doing enormous long term economic and social harm to the USA.

      In some years, the estimated direct expenditures on tort have been equal to an additional 5% income tax on every American (Rejda, Risk Management and Insurance) - a

  7. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, and we'll keep having it. People think "zero price" beats everything, yet most economics is about sufficiently levels of service as people don't really consider their free time as of no value. The opportunity cost of pirating games can be very substantial or it can be near zero. Peoples willingness to pay is tied to their ability to pay, which also translates into the adage that not pirate downloads amount to a lost sale.

    Having said all that, I know that personally I've bought tons of games precisely because they were a good value. Most my games, though, I acquired through bundles that likely granted their authors little income. I don't feel too bad about it because not only do I not have more money to give them but even if I did, I wouldn't. It's the same reason why I don't spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on food per month. The value of it just isn't there.

    Speaking further as a pirate, there's still lots of games I pirate. A lot (arcade) simply can't be bought or if they can are absurdly expensive. Others (console) are very expensive as well, whether used copies of older games (snes/gc) or are newer (and I don't even own any of the latest consoles because just the console cost makes it not worth it). Yet, I've still went out of my way to buy PC games especially legally. And I have dozens of older physical console games. I actually quite enjoy legally owning games--and it's why all efforts to combat second-hand sales of any sort are quite infuriating.

    So, yea, piracy for a long time has been often better as a service than legitimate services--torrents and zip archives of all games for a console. More store-locked games make the situation worse for the legal front. Steam has been greater for users but likely not nearly as much for larger developers or publishers. Yet, I value a legal copy of a game above the pirate copy. So many companies from the older generation consoles are sitting on gold mines. Some have cashed out (Irem, Data East, Capcom, etc) through third-party companies. Too bad some of them are as scummy as the pirates.

  8. Gabe Newell eloquent words on the topic by Himmy32 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."

    The proof is in the proverbial pudding. "Prior to entering the Russian market, we were told that Russia was a waste of time because everyone would pirate our products. Russia is now about to become [Steam's] largest market in Europe," Newell said.

    From: http://www.escapistmagazine.co...

  9. How about bringing back physical media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a long term archival format as proof of license/ownership.

    I personally have moved to piracy because I can't find media I want via physical discs anymore and I don't want companies data mining my viewing habits just to view them legally. When my privacy is regained is when I will purchase legal media again. (And yes, I realize they could record you in the store purchasing physical media.)

    1. Re:How about bringing back physical media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      REally? which shows do you watch that they don't make on physical media?

    2. Re:How about bringing back physical media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      COPS for one ...

  10. How to male software sell by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Design software that does many things.
    Break up the software into shareware type products at a low price.
    That link together as a work flow but can be stand alone.
    Find the impulse buy level for each seperate software product.
    Sell as parts, as a bundle. Add in how to ebooks.
    Use version drift to further keep people buying back in with steep discounts for the next version.
    Discounts for buying into more of the software.
    Keep innovating.
    Listen to your users. Add features as needed due to OS, GPU, CPU support as needed.
    Always thank people for reported security issues. Tell them when the problem is getting worked on and when it is ready. Thank them again.
    People can only spend so much on software, find that amount and sell at the point.

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  11. HOW TO MALE SOFTWARE SELL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HOW TO MALE SOFTWARE SELL. ^ Reboot this retard, the FPU is jammed again on the chatbot routine.

    1. Re:HOW TO MALE SOFTWARE SELL? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      A study into how a comment will sell :)
      "Make" with "male" and enjoy the comments.

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  12. Re: 8 years later same conclusion: Service not pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the non-sequitur. Really, you should be a comedy writer.

  13. The two claims are different. by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I buy lots of virtual content because the price is decent so it's a factor but that doesn't mean that the other claim of piracy bring a hassle isn't one too.
    Finding ebooks and comics and such take time and effort which you have less of if you just pay.

    Price isn't everything. Lack of easy access to pirated content is one too.

    Plus getting caught. Torrenting using random free VPN service at least may not work.

  14. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    Well, technically 8.3 years ago, but who's pedantic on this site?

    Typical content from 8.0 years ago, though was just as whacky, and the Space Shuttle Discovery docked with the the Space Station for the 1st time.

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  15. Vw beetle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same reason Germany made the beetle auto mobile so everyone could afford to drive

  16. Fixed that story title for you by shanen · · Score: 1

    s/Best/Worst/

    No profit in that cheap-assed approach to solving the piracy "problem". Dare I say "crisis"? The greedy bastards certainly dare.

    The ACTUAL solution approach that I favor would be to focus on cost recovery and accountability without the unending quest for obscene profits. That's a fake problem because there is NO amount of profit that can solve the problem, in start contrast to all the actual problems we have to deal with.

    I still can't figure out why such approaches have so little appeal on Slashdot. Must be my attitude. Ergo, I bid you ADSAuPR, atAJG.

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  17. Re: 8 years later same conclusion: Service not pr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was specifically replying to this part of his post:

    "Speaking further as a pirate, there's still lots of games I pirate. A lot (arcade) simply can't be bought or if they can are absurdly expensive."

    Seems to me like I made a fair assessment. He goes out of his way elsewhere to say he buys software *if he* feels he wants to reward the publisher, *if he* thinks the price is fair, etc. But if he doesn't, AND STILL WANTS IT? Then he steals it (pirates it).

    This is the mentality of a criminal (although perhaps a petty one).

    You could try, oh I don't know, just DOING WITHOUT THE GAME if you think it costs too much. This is how the rest of the damned economy works.

  18. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if piracy wasn't illegal and being somewhat enforced. The napster app would be better than Spotify, only it would be free.

    This study proves that when legal pressure is put on piracy, AND there is a legitimate alternative that isn't terribly expensive, people will put up with paying. But free is always going to be better than paying even $1/month.

  19. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, technically 8.3 years ago...

    What is this, a fucking filename?

  20. Re: 8 years later same conclusion: Service not pr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to me like I made a fair assessment.

    Perhaps it'd be a fair assessment if, you know, I had actually argued that I was entitled to pirate because arcade games are unavailable. This is literally the point of the study: practically people will pirate something when there aren't reasonable alternatives.

    He goes out of his way elsewhere to say he buys software *if he* feels he wants to reward the publisher, *if he* thinks the price is fair, etc. But if he doesn't, AND STILL WANTS IT? Then he steals it (pirates it).

    Actually, no. Usually I don't pirate PC games at all. When I do, it's almost exclusively because the publisher isn't selling it anywhere and the "price" is the used sale price. Ie, it's almost always of games that were never sold in large amounts and the publisher clearly isn't interested in taking advantage of current online distribution systems. So, yea, I can buy up a copy of some game for hundreds to thousands of dollars (if an arcade) just to find out it's good or not. Helps enrich used game owners but does nothing for the publisher/developer.

    This is the mentality of a criminal (although perhaps a petty one).

    Piracy is often criminal, depending on the local. Perhaps you were trying to insult me by comparing me to a petty thief: you know, someone who actually deprives someone of something?

    You could try, oh I don't know, just DOING WITHOUT THE GAME if you think it costs too much. This is how the rest of the damned economy works.

    In the rest of the economy there aren't government backed monopolies* which limit supply. In the rest of the economy if there was a strong demand for something, like chairs, but no new chairs were being made and used chairs were selling for $1,000, companies would start making more chairs. So, just out of the way, it's not exactly a good argument about "how the rest of the damned economy works".

    Putting that aside, let's talk about the exact opposite situation. There's plenty of games that are offered as part of giveaways. Axiom Verge, for example, was recently provided at zero cost for a few weeks (IIRC). In at least one place it was announced, one person commented "It wasn't worth it" (or words to that effect). That person meant, it wasn't worth even $0 to them to play the game because, well, they just didn't want it even at $0 cost. Yet I like Axiom Verge and would have likely bought a bundle with it (at a reduced price) at some point if that had been made available.

    There's lots of games that fall into that scope of "not worth it", though. I've literally given away at least a hundred game keys from bundles because they weren't interesting to me (admittedly most of them shovelware, but it's included duplicate copies of indie games and even AAA titles. I've also done trades for games. I've gotten plenty of games from Twitch Prime, although in that perhaps 30% I never bothered to claim because just having them clutter my Twitch Launcher wasn't "worth it".

    Now, you want to argue that there's a good character trait in having self-restraint and doing without, I won't disagree. You want to argue saving up $300 to buy a copy of Terranigma** means I'll play it many times over and get a lot more value out of it than spending $300 on 30 bundles and 50+ games? Quite possible and probable. It's definitely a large part of why I used to play my NES/SNES games to death.

    Meanwhile, I legally own over 1,000 PC games on Steam. So, there's no reason for me to pirate at all. If there were a way to buy a sizable fraction of all NES or SNES games for a couple hundred dollars (up to probably an order of magnitude of that for near all of them), I'd be willing to dish out my money. Today, though, if I want to meaningfully reward a developer or publisher of such a game? In almost all cases it's impossible. The best I could do is send a check to all the main game pu

  21. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh yes all of us remember a rando conversation on a discussion board from 8 years ago...

    Exactly, not everyone here has an attention span that

    ... Oooh, shiny!

  22. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Studies show that people would stop sneaking into our country illegally if we just made it so they could all just come in by paying us with a couple of rocks they picked up off the ground.

  23. likely to obtain that same content (ota).... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if a movie or a tv show has been on television (or cable/satellite), and you possess a tuner card, dvr or functioning vcr with the capability to record and preserve said programming.. you have a right to that program, you have a right to record it (the 'betamax' case, and others, in the u.s.) and to possess an archival copy of it for eternity... so why the fuck couldn't you download it 'digitally' as well? it's just a form shift of something you already possess.. legally.

    and today, most everything downloaded will be of comparable or worse quality (i.e. transcoded from similar quality hd sources) than a digital recording made yourself.. so a true format shift (compared to getting, say, a high quality dvd/hd rip of something previously recorded via analog vcr, would technically be an 'upgrade' in quality)

  24. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    Didn't we already have this discussion 8 years ago ???

    Or over 15 years ago - when the iTunes music store first opened and started selling music for 99 cents.

    Like who would pay 99 cents for a music track they could pirate for free? Yet, the convenience of just finding it and clicking buy was much easier than Napster and friends and hoping it wasn't a mislabeled track. Plus the convenience of having it in a minute after purchase.

    And the impressive sales of that caused music to go DRM free a few years later, when the music industry was being crushed by Apple and their music store - there was no way for them to get DRM music via any other store, and Apple was too big and powerful, so the music industry let Amazon sell music DRM free just so that they could break the iTunes monopsony.

  25. And nobody that looked at facts is surprised by gweihir · · Score: 1

    This has been clear for a long time now. The stupidity, greed, arrogance and authoritarian mind-set of the content "owners" is the reason they are incapable of seeing this. They still believe entertainment data is somehow "theirs" and that, of course anybody copying it without their say-so is "stealing" and that without a doubt this must hurt their revenue.

    Nothing of that is true. It is an antiquated mind-set suitable for cave-men where physical goods are the main type of good, but not reflecting actual reality in the digital age at all. Fortunately, quite a few content creators have understood what was clear for a long time: If you provide entertainment, your customers decide what they are willing to pay for it, not you. And that if you provide good value, enough of your customers will be willing to pay even if not forced to do so at all that your business will turn a reasonable profit. If you try to force your customers to pay, on the other hand, they will either go away or circumvent your measures, which will hurt you the most.

    It is good to see that some people that some people (those doing these studies) continue to see the actual facts here, instead of the "obvious", but deeply wrong claims of the copyright mafia, which in addition, are dangerous to society as their aggressive efforts to push draconian laws hurt individual freedoms and fair-use.

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  26. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I want to buy Aliens:Special Edition in a way that I can play it any time I want to, as it's my favourite movie.

    - If I buy online, it's literally impossible to buy legitimately. None of the stores have the special edition. Only the ordinary. I've sat and compared running times for all the big box-sets as well, in case it was hiding in one of those. Nope. I just can't buy it in the UK online, whether from Google Play, Amazon, Netflix or anyone else.
    - If I buy it on Blu-Ray it comes wrapped up in a shitty menu that takes me ten minutes to navigate in order to start the movie. I can't play that on anything other than a Blu-Ray player, and it seems to want to go on the Internet. It's also "DVD-resolution" no matter what the box says (and I'm not even into HD, let alone a resolution-nerd)... it's blocky, grainy and horrible - especially in the dark scenes, which kinda ruins the movie.
    No good for, say, taking on a long plane journey which is where I would be most likely to want to watch my favourite movie to pass the time. I can't copy it to the laptop, I can't even play it sometimes as the copy protection has decided to just spin that disk forever on that laptop several times.
    - If I buy it on DVD, I have similar problems. It would literally be the only movie I have that I need to turn on another device for in order to watch (yes... I rebought all my movies to stream online via official services... what a horrible person I am!).

    However:
    - The movie is shown on TV all the time, meaning I'm one-click away from a perfect DVB recording of it, minus the adverts, stored in a standard format, that plays everywhere, for free.
    - I can download it in *minutes* from a Google search from people donating their bandwidth and time and effort in order to let me watch my favourite movie.

    Now... I don't pirate. I've been firmly of the opinion for the last twenty years that if I have to break the law to consume a product, then I just won't consume it. As such, the only copy of my favourite movie that I have is a VHS (and I don't own any VHS players any more), an ancient DVD someone bought me and a Blu-Ray boxset that I bought at a bootsale. Meaning that "the TV/movie industry" has seen precisely zip from me for that movie for over 20 years.

    Since then, I have put way more hours into trying to GIVE SOMEONE MONEY for the damn thing legitimately than the entire series of movies would have cost me if it were available.

    It was after several such instances (Aliens: Special Edition, the British TV sitcoms The Two of Us, Just Good Friends and The Good Life - the latter is available up to series 2 on Amazon, it was available on the BBC store at one point but that closed down and removed all their content. JGF is available only on DVD but is played on UK channels ALL THE TIME. The Two of Us published one series on DVD and the other series has been "coming soon" for the last ten years. It's played on UK TV all the time) that I decided that I need to stop bothering. They've had their chance and obviously don't want my money.

    The BBC archives are all digital now... I understand that there are rights issues with some things but literally two of these above are BBC works, one of those is ITV (which is still broadcasting it and runs online streaming TV channels!): Honestly, just work out how much you'd have to pay people to air the show, put it online, charge that. If people want it at that price, they'll get it, if they don't, they won't. By contrast Channel 4 (the next biggest UK TV broadcaster) put every single episode of Whose Line Is It Anyway (the original UK version from the 80's/90's) online, for free on a streaming service and on YouTube.

    I know for certain - because someone did it once to prove the point - that ten minutes online, on any torrent site, or on Kodi plugins that search for illegal online content will get me all the above, in a format that "just plays" forever.

    I consider it extremely rude and stupid that a genuine, paying customer, who only wants to

  27. What Mac Clones ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    There were maybe two or three companies that tried and were shut down quickly. Then there were a few where you needed to have mac roms to even make them work and they never amounted to much either.

    The closest thing to a mac clone has always been Windows. (Viable or not is in the eye of the beholder on that score)

  28. content providers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..and content providers keep ignoring those studies because their minds still exist in the 70s instead of 2019

  29. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    A friend sent over instructions for ripping a bluray to HDD just yesterday. Took him years to get the process prefect. Still, it involves multiple complex steps, having just the right hardware and software, and at the end of it you get something you could have pirated with a fraction of the time and effort.

    If they catered to people like me they could actually make more money. For example, when I buy CDs they are usually second hand. The older ones tend to sound better, from back before the loudness war started. Anyway, I put them in a box and never play them, and then download a "pirate" copy with all the tagging and artwork taken care of.

    So the record label gets nothing, because it was second hand. But I'd pay them used CD prices for the opportunity to download those same FLAC files that I "pirated". I expect the same quality as the the warez groups, i.e. standardized tagging and artwork formats, standard file names, MD5 checksums, option to grab as one big FLAC file with a .cue for gapless playback.

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  30. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by RuiFRibeiro · · Score: 1

    We are having this discussion all the time, to be more correct.

  31. Re: 8 years later same conclusion: Service not pr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are spot on! I have not pirated one single song, after Spotify entered the game. Why? Because Spotify makes it easy, affordable and practical to: a) pay for music and b) to enjoy said music. There are a few understandable limitations as to having to be online from time to time, only to verify your subscription, but apart from that I listen to music on my computer at work, on my phone while on the move and while hanging out at home. It's easy and convenient. I've happily paid for a subscription ever since that was possible and haven't pirated ever since and cannot see why I would.

    Same goes for games. I use Steam and purchase games. I have hundreds of them, most of them I haven't even gotten around to playing. Why? It's easy and convenient and when the price is right I want to get the game and play it at my own leisure. Games I do not buy however are games from UBISOFT and the likes. Why? Because they need an extra launcher. That's enough of an inconvenience that I do not purchase games from them. I do not buy games from Epic or other outlets. If it's not on Steam, where I already have hundreds of games - it's not worth the inconvenience. I do not want to clog up the works with more bloatware than necessary. I've also bought games on Steam that I have pirated earlier or bought other games from publishers that I have earlier pirated games from. However, I have not pirated one single game, since Steam entered the game. Not one, single game. I'm not saying it because I'm proud that I've stopped pirating games, but I'm saying it to explain that I will give you my money, if you make it worth it. Make it easy and convenient for me to transfer money from my account to yours - and I will happily do so.

    Why is this concept so hard for makers of TV shows and movies to understand? Why would you inconvenience your costumers and possible costumers as possible? I simply do not understand why someone who owns a TV show will go: "You want to give me money to enjoy my show? Nah, I don't want that. Sorry." I do not understand why they think that everyone have infinite amounts of money to throw around. Maybe it's because that's what they themselves have. I simply do not understand why they would think that I, as a Norwegian costumer would want to pay for their service, when they do not offer me the same value as a costumer in the US or UK. Do they really think that globalization is not a thing? Do they really think that we are not informed what kind of products the rest of the world has access to? Well, we do.

  32. Oh come on. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Studies Keep Showing That the Best Way To Stop Piracy Is To Offer Cheaper, Better Alternatives

    Sure. Likewise the best way to stop theft is to give people everything they want. The point of copyright is exactly that you are forced not to buy the cheapest best copies (because why wouldn't you do this?) but legitimate copies so that the original content provider is not forced to compete against people not sharing in the cost of original creation.

    So this is just a hogwash study based on a broken premise. Now if you are not offering at all what people want (never mind the price) that is a problem you should be fixing. Copyright means that you have the time to fix it before others run your business in the ground. Some major business players are not interested in fixing it because it doesn't match their business models. That is their prerogative.

    Where things become awkward if those big players are companies or societies acting on behalf of the actual creators and without much of an alternative, and are often not in line with what the creators themselves would want. That's the actual problem. But that doesn't give anybody but the actual creators the right to clamor for different offerings.

  33. Lars Doucet's 4 currencies by Curupira · · Score: 2

    Defender's Quest programmer Lars Doucet has an excellent series of articles on what is at stake when a customer, or would-be customer, decides to buy or to pirate a computer game. In sum, there are, not one, but four currencies: literal money, time, pain-in-the-butt and integrity.

    Pirate sites can make you feel dirty (it costs integrity) and make you fight viruses and false download links (paint-in-the-butt), but usually makes the game available in days or even instantly (low time cost) and cost zero dollars. Legit game stores have to compete with that.

    So, if the game's DRM is obnoxiously hard on legit customers (high pain-in-the-butt cost) and is more expensive than the pirate version, it will lose hard to piracy, because the only "currency" in which the legit version costs less is the integrity currency. It's no wonder Steam, GOG.com and other online stores for PC games nowadays try to make buying and playing the game as seamless as possible. (Of course, there are still AAA games that the publishers insist on having obnoxious DRM).

    Music streaming services got this really well. Spotify, iTunes, Deezer and Google Play Music are all easy to use, fast to listen and have each of them an exellent and comprehensive library of songs. You don't have to subscribe to multiple services to listen to the music you want.

    Now, video streaming services are doing the exact opposite: do you want to see a particular movie (not any movie, or a movie of a particular genre, a particular and specific movie)? Maybe it's on Netflix. Or on Hulu. Or is it on Amazon Prime Video? Perhaps it will be on Disney+. Or you have to "rent" or "buy" it on Google Play Video or something.If it is an anime, maybe it is on Crunchyroll or Funimation. The cash and pain-in-the-butt currencies skyrocket on that system. It's not feasible to subscribe to every video streaming service on the planet. It is no wonder many of us are returning to the torrent sites.

    1. Re:Lars Doucet's 4 currencies by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 0

      Pirate sites can make you feel dirty (it costs integrity)...

      Frankly, giving money to anyone who endorses DRM and/or pushes for more expansive copyright laws and/or harsher punishments costs a lot more integrity. What you're referring to is simply not helping the publishers as much as they think they deserve—you're not costing them anything—whereas paying them will actively help them to harm others.

      You could probably throw in "legality" as a fifth currency, though, somewhere between money and inconvenience but with more probabilistic overtones due to uneven enforcement. This is the one aspect which is almost always in the publisher's favor, but when the opposing side wins on money, convenience, time, and integrity, legality alone is unlikely to save them.

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  34. Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Without piracy you don't get the full experience of owning content:
    - Movies with adverts
    - Unskippable logo screens
    - The privilege of trying to guess which of the 10 streaming services you subscribe to actually has your movie.
    - The benefit of running 10 game store clients on your computer at the same time, all wanting to run at startup, all just dying to sell you their exclusive bullshit.

    But wait there's more.
    - Wouldn't you rather part with more money being nickle and dimed with DLC?
    - That RTX2080 is a bit to fast for you? Well Denuvo will happily drop 5-10fps of your framerate and triple the loading time of your game.
    - Got too much HDD space? Well why not download all the things in all the languages with all the content you won't use rather than get one of those crappy "repacks" at 1/2 the size of a retail game. SSDs are cheap now anyway.

    1. Re:Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Without piracy you don't get the full experience of owning content: - Movies with adverts - Unskippable logo screens

      Product placement is the only "adverts" I typically see in any of the movies I buy. I can't recall a purchased movie I have stopping in the middle to show me an ad.

      Also, what is a "logo screen"? The movie title? Again, I don't see these and I purchase a lot of content.

      - The privilege of trying to guess which of the 10 streaming services you subscribe to actually has your movie.

      Oh. You want to purchase content in a way that you don't actually own it or control how it is delivered. That's just silly, isn't it? You're not buying content, you're renting it or buying access to viewing it for the length of time you belong to the streaming service.

      Wouldn't you rather part with more money being nickle and dimed with DLC?

      The closest I come to being "nickle and dimed" for streaming content is for Amazon Prime, but Prime Video is a secondary source for content I know I haven't actually purchased, and is a side-effect of getting Prime for shipping. It's pretty clear from the source that Prime Video is not a content purchase but just a stream to watch.

      If you buy the DVD, you can play it using many different players, and typically rip it to disk, all without seeing "adverts" or "logo screens". So far, I've found one bit of content that won't rip using a simple setup -- the Star Trek "new universe" trilogy disks. Somehow they've messed with the disk structure so badly that it can be played by mplayer but mencoder won't rip it. No big loss, they aren't that good to start with. The movies, I mean.

    2. Re:Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Product placement is the only "adverts" I typically see in any of the movies I buy. I can't recall a purchased movie I have stopping in the middle to show me an ad. Also, what is a "logo screen"? The movie title? Again, I don't see these and I purchase a lot of content.

      I didn't say middle. I've never seen a purchased bluray that allowed you to get to the menu screen without showing you a trailer or an advert.
      Likewise you get to endure a nice title card for the publisher / studio before you get to the menu. Which is a frigging waste since you get to see it again when you hit play. In general if I open up a downloaded file it starts playing. If I throw in a bluray or a DVD it can be a good minute or two before you have the privilege to actually watch what you bought.

      You claim that you've never had this? I call bullshit. The studios even specifically put a requirement into players to make these unskippable for your viewing pleasure. It even has it's own name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Oh. You want to purchase content in a way that you don't actually own it or control how it is delivered.

      You missed the point. The point is not always to own something. The point is to get what you want when you pay. Sometimes that means owning a disc, sometimes that means wanting to stream something from a service that is being subscribed to. The problem is the same. Paying a rental fee only to have inaccessible content because of profit margins by publishers is just as bad as DRM at driving people towards piracy.

      The closest I come to being "nickle and dimed" for streaming content is for Amazon Prime

      Not talking about movies here. So not sure why you are talking about a streaming service. You want nickle and diming? Bethesda charges you $15 to turn your main character blue in Fallout 76, ... on a $25 game. And this is not some isolated case about one game or even one publisher. The DLC shit has gotten way out of hand, especially when DLC is contained on the frigging disc itself. This is why so many pirated games come with DLC content pirated too ... on the first frigging day of release.

      If you buy the DVD, you can play it using many different players, and typically rip it to disk, all without seeing "adverts" or "logo screens".

      ahem ... bullshit.

    3. Re:Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I didn't say middle.

      Well, since I see no ads at the start, and I don't bother watching anything past the end credits, it would have to be "in the middle" for any ads to appear for me.

      I've never seen a purchased bluray

      I've never purchased a Blu-Ray, simply because I don't have the hardware to play one. Good thing that content isn't locked into just Blu-Ray.

      Likewise you get to endure a nice title card for the publisher / studio before you get to the menu.

      What's a "menu"? I've bought plenty of content that I play on a regular basis that I see no "menu", "adverts", or "logo pages" for.

      I guess if you buy the wrong format of content, you are locked into what that format can do. That's not a problem with buying content, per se, just the format you choose. Streaming (which isn't buying content, just access to look at it) or Blu-Ray may lock you into different things. Choose better.

      You claim that you've never had this? I call bullshit. The studios even specifically put a requirement into players to make these unskippable for your viewing pleasure.

      Really? I put a DVD into my DVD hardware, type "mplayer dvd://1" (or some other number) into the command line, and golly if I don't get to view the content without ads, menus, or logos.

      The point is to get what you want when you pay.

      Yes, I understand that your goal is to force the providers to sell you their goods the way you want them. But the comment I replied to was about being forced to view adverts and logos and stuff when playing movies, and I'm simply educating you that there are ways to do it other than the ways you choose to do it.

      Not talking about movies here.

      I'm sorry. I quoted what I was replying to. Here:

      Without piracy you don't get the full experience of owning content: - Movies with adverts

      How are "movies with adverts" not talking about movies?

      So not sure why you are talking about a streaming service.

      Because you also said: "- The privilege of trying to guess which of the 10 streaming services you subscribe to actually has your movie.", which is explicitly talking about both "movies" and "streaming service".

      If you buy the DVD, you can play it using many different players, and typically rip it to disk, all without seeing "adverts" or "logo screens".

      ahem ... bullshit.

      Your ignorance is causing you to be profane. Your problem.

    4. Re:Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Your ignorance is causing you to be profane. Your problem.

      I'll take my ignorance along with that of my massive DVD collection, massive Bluray collection, list of Firmware hacks on the internet to bypass the user content skip blocks, and the endless articles on the internet talking about the problem you seem to think doesn't exist.

      It's better than .... oh wait maybe your magical fairy land where the rules of reality don't seem to apply doesn't sound too bad... Where do you live? Or maybe you're so desensitized to ads that you don't know what they are anymore. Is an advert no longer an advert when it ends with a Sony pictures logo?

      But whatever enjoy your fantasy. I'll keep talking to real people who have real DVD and Blurays and experience problems so real they have their own wikipedia pages. Consider yourself lucky you're not part of the normal world.

    5. Re:Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Really? I put a DVD into my DVD hardware, type "mplayer dvd://1" (or some other number) into the command line, and golly if I don't get to view the content without ads, menus, or logos.

      So you're using an unofficial DVD player which is designed to avoid these problems, you may have bought the dvd but by using a player that's not officially blessed the movie distributors consider you just as bad as the pirates. You're using a tool specifically designed to circumvent the drm present on those dvds.

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    6. Re:Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      So you're using an unofficial DVD player which is designed to avoid these problems,

      The hardware is "official". Who decides what "official" software is? And since you admit I am avoiding the problem of adverts, logo screens, and mandatory menus, you are at least acknowledging that they are only problems when someone chooses not to use the methods that can trivially avoid them.

      you may have bought the dvd but by using a player that's not officially blessed the movie distributors consider you just as bad as the pirates.

      Oh, that's just absurd. Your argument has just devolved into one where ads, menus and logo pages are a requirement for you to view because someone who put the DVD together decided you should see them. You've just handed control over your life to other people, and you're complaining because they are making decisions for you that you don't like.

    7. Re:Don't pirate, you miss the good stuff by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It is absurd, but it is their view...
      The movie publishers do want to control how you watch their content, they tried to stop decss and then implemented much stronger drm on bluray. The drm is not there to stop pirates, pirates will always find a way around it, the drm is there to force law abiding citizens to play by their rules.

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  35. Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was younger I pirated plenty of stuff, but there is no way I could have afforded to buy even a fraction of it had I wanted to. A high-schooler in a low income family is not going to be going to buy CDs and DVDs at the rate I was consuming pirated content. Now, with Netflix, Prime, Google Play Music, etc I can discover new content all the time, it's super easy to access, and my price stays affordable, so there is no reason to pirate. If they start muddying up streaming services, splitting them off too much, or raising prices people are going to go back to pirating.

    1. Re:Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to add to my last comment, gaming didn't evolve quite as well as video and music streaming did. Yes, there is video game steaming but it's not good because of bandwidth and latency. There is things like gamefly, and a lot of content is cheaper now and there are lots of good cheap indie game options, but it's still not as good of an experience as video/music streaming. I think there needs to be a new idea in that space to fight piracy.

    2. Re:Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I on the other hand subscribe to ps vue with all premiums, Netflix, Prime, Hulu, etc and go to the theater for new releases frequently as well. I have TBs of pirated content.

      Why? My DVR function is crippled in vue, some content is skipped, even between Netflix, Prime, Hulu, etc I can't even remotely begin to stream all the movies I want and even if I could I can't get them in 4k with DTS-MA/TrueHD Atmos audio or the best track that has been released. Even if I could do that they don't show up in a timely manner. Even if they did I have to pay for them one off and I pay a lot for content but paying a month subscription price for a single piece of content isn't worth it. Even if it were I can't afford it. Even if I could I'm not about to pay for content that is only available on one of many platforms and that I don't really own.

      I get pirated content on or before the release date of that content anywhere in the world. I even pirate the stuff that IS on the streaming networks I pay for. Why? That content gets replaced. It turns out there are different quality video and audio streams additional subtitles on releases in different parts of the world. What I end up with is the extracted (decrypted but not modified) highest quality audio and video combined with only minor adjustments to trim or pad it to align if the timing doesn't align and all the subtitles combined into a single mkv container that is superior to any disc release on Earth. Sometimes there are subs on BD that aren't on the UHD releases, those are be grabbed, synchronized, and tone matched for the HDR releases as well. Similarly, if a new remastered or otherwise superior quality video is released on an anniversary disc or better audio mixed in the file gets rebuilt with the best combination of the older and newer content.

  36. Name, lock-in, and customer service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple does three things right:

    Their good name. Apple has had an overall record of being proactive when it comes to security. For example, there hasn't been any wildfires of malware which is common in the Android ecosystem.

    The lockdown. Unless Apple permits it, it doesn't happen. Everything from locking the new T2 Mac SSDs away from unvetted operating systems like Linux to ensuring that the only apps that get onto iPhones (and hopefully Macs) are actually curated and vetted by Apple. The lockdown ensures unauthorized and broken stuff is kept out of the Mac ecosystem.

    The customer service. Second to none. Try to get a laptop fixed from an average PC vendor, and you are looking at 2-3 hours of being on hold, told to do diagnostics (which they will hang up on you if the machine won't boot, as you didn't run Windows diags), only to find they say it is a software problem, and go bug Microsoft. Apple, you just get a Genius Bar appointment, drop it off, and it gets fixed. No hardware/software finger pointing.

    The fact that I know my Mac's documents won't get cryptolockered makes the platform worth the price tag.

    1. Re: Name, lock-in, and customer service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor will mine on ZFS (BSD). And cost is a lot lower too.

    2. Re: Name, lock-in, and customer service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The downside of the tech giants ecosystems have these thimgs in common, whether Apple, Microsoft, Google, or pure web players like Facebook: the service becomes control over time.

      Got downloads? They can be deleted without your sayso or blocked if you don't fit their filters. For a business? It can be shut down at whim and the only recourse is pretty much appealing and escalating - no legal right to use, whatever the harm or merits, or how pervasive it is in society or your social circles. With a huge user base, "lowest common denominator" kicks in, so if you want to discuss sex work or other highly adult themes, or they simply decide to delete any and all content they don't like , or dictate what you can and can't see/do, even as a consenting adult and without intent to do harm to others, your choice is taken from you (was it tumblr that kicked off all sex themed content, and apple that dictates which telegram channels they allow on iPhones?)

      For many people, that's the right choice. But many isn't all, and those who don't want their content or digital assets arbitrarily in peril, or who value privacy a bir, might have concerns with *all* the big players, apple included. None have a good record on that.

  37. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by thepigwanker · · Score: 1

    For example, when I buy CDs they are usually second hand. The older ones tend to sound better, from back before the loudness war started.

    You would need to purchase albums that were produced before the Loudness Wars amplified at the dawn of the consumer digital music era (mid- to late-90s) and were not remastered, but there is no compelling reason to purchase "used" CDs over "new" ones because that is in no way a guaranteed means of sidestepping the dynamic range compression. Where did you hear that?

  38. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    You can generally look up which releases are overly compressed online.

    http://dr.loudness-war.info/

    The 80s was a golden age in many ways. I've got an original Brothers in Arms release and it sounds incredible, one of the most dynamic albums ever made. Every subsequent re-release and "remaster" ruined it a little bit more.

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  39. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by Freischutz · · Score: 1

    Didn't we already have this discussion 8 years ago ???

    Or over 15 years ago - when the iTunes music store first opened and started selling music for 99 cents.

    Like who would pay 99 cents for a music track they could pirate for free? Yet, the convenience of just finding it and clicking buy was much easier than Napster and friends and hoping it wasn't a mislabeled track. Plus the convenience of having it in a minute after purchase.

    ... and not having to worry about malware.

  40. Re:8 years later same conclusion: Service not pric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FUCKIN~1.EXT

  41. re: Photoshop vs. The Gimp, etc. by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    You have your subjective opinion on the issue, and I don't know if any comprehensive study has ever been done that would give us answers to prove you right or wrong? But I can very definitely state that in my 30 years or so working with computers and I.T., I've seen MANY, MANY examples where people went on to drive commercial sales of software products, thanks to them having a way to get their hands on free, pirated copies of the programs first.

    In your Gimp vs. Photoshop example? I know many people who try to get into photo editing and touch-up work who DO try "The Gimp" but don't find its UI look and feel to be very user-friendly or inviting. I know there was even a project at one time, at least for the Linux version of Gimp, that bolted a "Photoshop type UI" onto it as kind of a skin? I remember getting really excited that they'd finally done that for it, until I learned it was a dead project.

    There are, arguably, a lot of other really good photo editors out there that cost much less than Photoshop. So sure, someone on a budget could buy Pixelmator or something like that instead. But once an application has established itself as a "leading" one for the tasks at hand, most people would rather invest their time and energy in learning and mastering it, vs. another product that you may not be able to get help on from anybody else you know if you get stuck.

    Especially when you're still a kid or teenager, you have far more time than money. So it's a prime time of your life to spend a lot of hours of screen time in front of software to really learn it, but it's NOT a prime time at all to come up with many hundreds of dollars to PAY for it.

    Even when it comes to video game titles though? Everyone I knew who got hooked on computers as a kid pirated many dozens of game titles. At the same time though? We were the main audience who had any interest in playing them in the first place. With our limited buying power, it was always a combination of spending as much as we could to buy a few games (especially the new releases that you wanted to play ASAP), and pirating a lot of the other stuff as the opportunities presented themselves.

    I just can't see a valid reason to feel sorry for the industry selling the games? Even if they succeeded in applying some sort of 100% foolproof copy protection and forced every single owner of the game to have paid for it? They would wind up with, basically, no additional revenue over what they actually got. If a kid can only get 1 or 2 games each birthday a gifts, and another 1-2 each Christmas - and only earns enough money to buy 1-2 others over the rest of a year? That's a max of about 6 titles per year they're ever going to possibly buy. Successful piracy of a selection of the thousands of other choices competing for their dollars doesn't really change that. You'll profit from 6 sales per year off that kid, regardless.

  42. Re: Photoshop vs. The Gimp, etc. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    I've seen MANY, MANY examples where people went on to drive commercial sales of software products, thanks to them having a way to get their hands on free, pirated copies of the programs first.

    That may be. My question is still, why did they go to the trouble of pirating that specific piece of software to begin with? If it was because they wanted the experience of that program because it was going to be something they needed to know for later, then it is unwarranted to claim that the purchase was driven by the piracy. The purchase was driven by the need to use that program.

    I see that many times, where people pay for Word because they need the interoperability with other people, even though they could have "pirated" OfficeLibre and accomplished the tasks without actual piracy. Or they pay for Photoshop instead of using The Gimp.

    Now, when you get to less common software where there is competition, I do believe that having low cost alternatives during the learning phase can drive sales later. That's for things like "Matlab", where The Mathworks has a student version for $100 and then requires LOTS of money for the full, professional version later. But if they don't snag the user as a student, they'll use something else (scipy, numpy, C, FORTRAN, R, etc). Very few people who pirate Photoshop are likely to be writing their own Photoshop in C or python when they get into the workplace.

    But once an application has established itself as a "leading" one for the tasks at hand, most people would rather invest their time and energy in learning and mastering it, vs. another product that you may not be able to get help on from anybody else you know if you get stuck.

    You've just repeated my point using different words. It was the usability of the product that drove the sale, not the fact that it was pirated early on.

    Even when it comes to video game titles though?

    I was pretty specific in saying that I was talking about "this category of software" (i.e. commercial utility software), not all software ever produced by anyone at any time ever.

  43. Technology by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    If all the cable companies were torh down today, it is likely TV would become a matter of turning on a box, searching on a show name and playing it. The only reason why we can't do this is because these companies insist on clinging to old ways of doing business.

    The industry should have fixed this long ago, and I'm getting too old to wait for it.

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  44. Re: Photoshop vs. The Gimp, etc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen MANY, MANY, MANY examples where people who could and should have paid for the software didn't because there was no "consequence" from using a pirated version.

    "Drive commercial sales"? That's a myth. They needed Photoshop, they would have bought Photoshop anyway. The pirate version didn't help, they were just forced to use a legit licence.

  45. Here is a hint by Shaitan · · Score: 1

    If you spread the content across streaming sources with exclusive licenses; the cost is not your $15/mo subscription. The cost is ALL the freaking $15/mo subscriptions.

  46. Re: Photoshop vs. The Gimp, etc. by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I guess I'm not sure how your point really relates to my original argument though?

    It seems to me like it's not so relevant to the matter why a person decided to download a pirated piece of software, as long as the financial reality is that they can't afford to buy it?

    Usability and capability of a piece of software clearly helps drive its desirability. But that's a universal truth. (Whether you're a company who can afford to buy anything they like, or a pre-teen who doesn't have $10 to her/her name -- you're probably going to gravitate towards the more user-friendly and capable program as the one you want to download, install, and learn to use.)

    At least in the case of the computer bulletin board systems like the one I ran, it wasn't really much trouble at all to download a program. You had to have some disk space freed up for it and the time to wait for it to finish. But obtaining it was a matter of a few keystrokes. All sorts of programs got passed around on the BBS's and that was more a matter of some "cracking group" deciding to focus on cracking something they got ahold of at a particular time than anything else. (A BBS didn't typically cherry-pick what was offered. It took whatever someone was willing to share and upload to it. And that content tended to be anything the cracking groups just finished cracking and were trying to get distributed as widely as possible.)