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Some Uber, Lyft Drivers To Get Stock in IPOs (wsj.com)

Ride-hailing companies Uber and Lyft are planning to give some drivers money to buy stock in their initial public offerings, WSJ reported Thursday [The link may be paywalled; alternative source]. From a report: Both Uber and Lyft's IPOs will include programs that would give some of their most-active or longest-serving drivers a cash award with an option to put it toward stock in the IPOs, according to people familiar with the matter. It is typically hard for an ordinary investor to buy a company's stock at its IPO price before it begins trading on an exchange, so this move would give drivers access they likely wouldn't have had otherwise.

Uber is working out the details of a program expected to be valued in the hundreds of millions of dollars that would give a significant portion of its 3 million active drivers and couriers globally either a cash bonus or the option to use that cash to purchase shares at the IPO price, people familiar with the matter said. These awards will be tiered based on a sliding scale related to the driver's length of service and number of trips or deliveries, these people said.

35 comments

  1. Don't Miss Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funnel your paycheck into our ponzi scheme today!

    Last I checked Uber's model was trading investor cash for market share and had arrived at diminishing returns. Sounds like the perfect time to let the public buy in.

    1. Re:Don't Miss Out by nazsco · · Score: 1

      This is actually a great way to accomplish several things:

      - workforce happy with the idea that the will be able to "flip" said stock

      - the company can "feel" the market by looking at how the informal pre-sale of the options are happening.

      - generate buzz in the media for the IPO price.

      It's genius.

    2. Re:Don't Miss Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nothing more than a transparent scheme to make it appear that the demand for the stock is greater than it actually is.

      If they wanted to give employees stock they would simply give drivers the shares directly, rather than this convoluted scheme of cash that can only be used to buy shares in order to prop up the IPO price.

    3. Re: Don't Miss Out by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Last I checked Uber's model was trading investor cash for market share

      Not really; they're trading current profits for self-driving/self-flying R&D/IP but they're doing so in an overly-agressive and panicky fashion (hence their losses) because they know their current business model, although currently lucrative as fuck, is on borrowed time.

    4. Re:Don't Miss Out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but the thing about transparent schemes is most people don't see them in time to avoid getting caught in them.

  2. Exploited by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    Those darn companies keep exploiting these drivers and forcing them to work for them. Outrageous.

    1. Re:Exploited by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

      *Reads news article detailing how increasing productivity might result in a bonus*

      *Increases productivity*

      *waits*

      *waits*

      *waits* ....

      *waits*

      *get's an extra $100 in the mail with a sticker that says "Good Job!"*

    2. Re:Exploited by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      How dare they give them $100! I'm outraged.

    3. Re:Exploited by juniorkindergarten · · Score: 1

      No, there's a sucker born every minute.
      Uber pumps them up with hopes of making lots of money, while lying about it the whole time. Eventually people figure out its a scam and find a real job that's not part of the "gig economy" When the gov says it costs $0.58 mile to maintain your car and uber is paying only $0.60 mile - drivers eventually figure it out. Uber's happy with drivers that last for 3-4 months.
      Uber's stated goal is to have driverless cars, everyone who is driving for them now is helping Uber get closer to that goal. Working to put yourself out of a job for a few dollars.

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    4. Re:Exploited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, on the other hand, am going through a separation and it's expensive as hell to buy new furniture for my small apartment. I've been driving for Uber to get some extra cash in the short term on the weeks I don't have my daughter.

      I have a great job that pays well, but I still need some extra cash flow. It works for me.

    5. Re: Exploited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As was stated above, there's a sucker born every minute.

      What happens when your car breaks down because you abused the hell out of it driving strangers around for minimum wage? When you can't drive to your REAL job?

    6. Re: Exploited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have nerve!!! Iâ(TM)ve been driving for over three years and love it!!! I work less than 30
      hours a week and net $1,000 or more a week, drive a Prius and meet incredible people!!! Love my job!!!

    7. Re: Exploited by thunderclees · · Score: 1

      Also, "Never wizen up a chump" The median pre-tax hourly income for Uber drivers is just $3.37. not including car and related expenses. Forget it if your insurance company finds out.

  3. A pre-paid suprise, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or cod?

  4. Is this usual for customers? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    I've heard of employees and even preferred business partners getting options toward an IPO, but Uber dirvers aren't employees. They're more like customers--drivers who use the Uber service to find riders.

    Or so Uber has always insisted.

    1. Re:Is this usual for customers? by Nkwe · · Score: 2

      Exactly. In the debate about drivers being employees vs. contractors or some other non-employee legal status that these companies want to think they are (in order to get out of paying benefits and other requirements that are involved with having employees), it would seem that offering access to the IPO would be an argument that they are in fact employees.

    2. Re:Is this usual for customers? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      There is a legal definition of employee, and it's the only thing that matters. It doesn't matter if "logically, they would be an employee" or "by any reason of common sense they are an employee" or even "you'd have to be daft to think they aren't employees!"

      The only thing that matters at all is whether they are legally employees or not.

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  5. Wouldn't own either stock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Take the cash drivers and invest in stocks that have a real future to grow.

  6. Not exactly by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    the entire economic systems does it. Here's how it works: You work hard, get a good job, but you don't have a college degree. You move up in your company, but then the layoffs come. Outsourcing, automation, H1-B replacement. You're out. Now you're starting over. HR filters mean you can't get an equivalent job because your lack of a college degree means you don't even get a human being to look at your resume. You could lie and say you have a degree, but you'll fail the background checks (that are now universal and cheap).

    But you've got this car from when you had a good job. A few years old, 30,40k miles. You gotta pay rent/mortgage. So you join the gig economy. You know you're on borrowed time. You're making less than it takes to keep a roof over your head and that car running. You're taking a payday loan where the interest is the mileage on your car... Sooner or later it's going all collapse unless you get lucky and get a real job. And even if you do you'll spend those earnings digging out of the hole you were in while unemployed. So you'll never get ahead. Meanwhile inflation in necessities (food, shelter, healthcare, education, etc) is 4.5% but your raises are 1.5%....

    . This is modern day slavery. You're overtly never forced, but the alternatives are abject poverty and homelessness. Starvation if you take if far enough. Unemployment without the gig economy is pushing 10%, but if you ask anyone we're at "full" employment.

    One of the things that hurt the Southern United States was they had billions, maybe Trillions of dollars tied up in slaves. Meanwhile the north had employees. The employees were disposable. You didn't care what happened to them. Sure they were "free", but if they tried to unionize they got their heads busted in just like a runaway slave. On a long term scale the freemen in the North were better off because eventually Unions formed and got better wages, but it took decades. And the wealthy have noticed this. They don't like paying for your quality of life.

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    1. Re:Not exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the wealthy have noticed this. They don't like paying for your quality of life.

      Makes long winded statement about how liberalism is great. Ends with complaining about liberalism taking his money and giving it to others.

      Hey moron... Did you somehow think if you supported liberalism you would be one of the corrupt people at the top taking from everyone else and not paying back? Keep voting for people to take your money to "spread the wealth" and complain when it happened.

      This guy is a total idiot.

    2. Re:Not exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love ==LOVE==, how you seem to insist that some sort of degree will just magically fix all this.

      Nah, bro. A degree changes nothing. Before you start in on "Well, it needs to be the correct magic degree" and before you start with the Union stuff (which I support, btw) I will remind you that the problem isn't the Corporations but the Rich and the Rich run the Unions, too.

      The only way to "Win" in this society is to start your own business. That's it. You get the same odds of success that you had as an employee, but when your business is up, if you are smart enough, you can start stashing away bank.

      Other than that, not a single degree or Union or anything else will save you.

    3. Re: Not exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is spreading the wealth? To me it looks like they are making sure the rich stay rich while the poor stay poor.

  7. Take the money and run by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    as somebody who watched dozens of low tier employees have their AOL stock outright stolen during the Time/Warner merger just take the money and run. If you try to wait they'll just find a way to snatch it from you if it ever becomes valuable.

    I knew folks who were planing to buy houses with their stock options before the company just said "We're taking them back and there's nothing you can do about it. Go ahead an sue us, you'll run out of money or die before it hits the Supreme Court".

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    1. Re:Take the money and run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please let me welcome you to my Uber/Lyft car service. This car is also my office, and my home. After I cash in on the IPO, it will my yacht and retirement community too.

    2. Re:Take the money and run by Avidiax · · Score: 1

      What was the method used to steal these employee's stock? Is there a news article about it?

    3. Re:Take the money and run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He mentioned stock options in his story about it. He is too stupid to realize there is a difference.

    4. Re:Take the money and run by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      rsilvergun was talking about how employees' AOL stock became worthless with the Time-Warner merger. I don't know the details, but there can be problem with keeping equity during a merger. You could probably find something about it, if it went that way, but the lesson is that you need to be careful about stocks sometimes. In a company that might get into a merger, it may be best to not buy the stock, or sell it immediately on receiving it. Prices tend to go up from the IPO, so it might be wise to wait a few days.

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    5. Re:Take the money and run by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Simple: multiple share classes. The VCs have a different class of shares to the employees, so in the event of a buy-out or merger they're compensated first, and whatever's left over (if anything) goes to the employee shareholders. I've seen this happen first-hand, but I was lucky enough to not have actually exercised my options. I felt sorry for the employees who'd literally bought in and lost it all.

  8. Just a PR stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lyft's announced payout comes to .10 cents per ride and that is only for the 1% of their drivers who have been driving for 3+ years at 50-60 hours per week to put in 10k rides minimum.

    This is nothing but a PR stunt to get headlines and does nothing to help their drivers...

  9. rsilvergun doubles on stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After telling us how great liberalism is, then complaining about how it takes his money and gives it to other.
    Now he is demonstrating his ignorance on the difference between owning stock, through an IPO, and stock options.

    If you want to be poor and stupid, that is your decision, and you appear to have made it. Don't give advice to others who may still decide to think for themselves and make their lives better instead of waiting for a non-corrupt member of the DNC to come and save them (won't happen).

    1. Re: rsilvergun doubles on stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a lot better than take from the poor and give to the rich. Fucking idiot. How about those tax breaks for the insanely rich? Meanwhile middle class America is paying more in taxes this year.
      Go figure.

    2. Re: rsilvergun doubles on stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Middle class here, got tax cut.
      Unlike Obamacare that doubled by insurance costs and they argued it was a "tax" when defending it in court.

      Thanks for the lies, but you are a liberal and unable to do anything else.

  10. Isn't Uber drivers contractors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Uber argued in court that their drivers are contractors? This must be a first when a company gives shares to their contractors or are they trying to pay them with IPO shares at an inflated valuation that will be worth less when they try to sell?

  11. Remember, if your IPO pops, you are doing it wrong by davidwr · · Score: 1

    If your IP "pops" then it was under-priced.

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