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Australia's Hottest Summer Beats Previous Record by 'Large Margin' (brisbanetimes.com.au)
As Australia welcomes the first day of autumn with a sigh of relief, the summer statistics have arrived from the Bureau of Meteorology confirming suspicions that the country just sweated through it's hottest-ever summer. From a report: The national mean temperature for summer smashed the 1961-1990 average by a whopping 2.14C, almost a full degree above the previous hottest summer on record (2012-2013), which was 1.28 degrees above the old average. The mean maximum temperature also beat the 2012-2013 mean maximum by a similar margin (2.61 degrees above average compared to 1.64 degrees above). "It was exceptionally warm across most of the country," the weather bureau's summary states, with NSW, Victoria, Western Australia and the Northern Territory all recording their hottest-ever summer as severe and lengthy heatwaves spread across much of the country in December and January.
Translation: Help me bury my head in the sand!
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Northern US had super cold spell... so I guess it balances out?
I have a tried and true Australian strategy for counteracting this. Put a tax on the temperature.
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Shut up, bitch boi
And hell froze over in LA this February. How much of this is (or isn't) statistical noise amplified by climate change hype?
Why not Antarctic? It hasnâ(TM)t melted yet.
New Zealand just had it's third hottest January on record.
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^^ These Republican faggots want to play their denialist games but in the end, this happened. This is how it is. We need to solve the Republican liar faggot problem.
I haven't seen any reports of a repeat of the South Australian Blackout of 2016. I guess there has been some sort of technological improvement since then.
One of our competitors trademarked the term "hypothesis". From now on, we will call them "boneheaded ideas".
The last 5 years or so have been some of the coldest in my 50 years of life.
Design something to suck up all that heat and transport it somewhere else. Heh, sounds like a Dubai project.
No links, no mention of where temperature recordings were made.
If full links were provided to all the data, would you believe them ?
If no, why ask for links ?
If yes, then why are you doubting the conclusion ?
It's only climate when it helps prove the case! Dammit, get with the program and send all your money to AlGore.
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4549
References & Further Reading provided at the bottom of that page.
For chrissake, global warming is about mean temperatures. And when an entire continent sees temperature shifts, no that's not fucking weather.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
...come all the armchair climatologists to cry out against climate change...
You shouldn't trust gravity either. Go jump off a bridge to test it.
If you want to re-run Tyndall's experiments go ahead. But that might require you to read a scientific paper, and clearly you wouldn't want to break your streak.
^^ These Republican faggots want to play their denialist games but in the end, this happened. This is how it is. We need to solve the Republican liar faggot problem.
Climate is what you get when you the average weather statistics for a long period (not just the temperature but also other things such as humidity and rainfall). So yes, weather could become climate. And yes there's such a thing as local climate, since we get different "climates" as we go from a desert region such as North Africa to the poles.
Record snow falls in the mid west are a result of global warming.
Or how do you think the snow got there? Hu? It is winter!!! But the ocean is still warm, hence it creates clouds, hence they snow down.
Can't really be so hard to grasp simple principles.
100 years ago, the ocean would have been colder: hence less snow.
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It's teh global warmingz!!1!!!
Some sort of Australian Seasons Savings? On my calendar the equinox is March 20.
I eat only the real part of complex carbohydrates.
First time in 132 years.
But I'm pretty sure that will never be a headline here...
Great straw man argument. Why don't you at least pretend to inform yourself before you open your ignorant yap.
Start here:
https://skepticalscience.com/
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For chrissake, global warming is about mean temperatures. And when an entire continent sees temperature shifts, no that's not fucking weather.
When climate shifts, so does weather... so it's both. Which is why it's so sad when people say "it's not climate, it's weather" ... Saying it's weather doesn't rule out it being climate as well in any way.
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entire continent
Wait, we're talking about the large island of Australia here, not a continent!
For chrissake, global warming is about mean temperatures. And when an entire continent sees temperature shifts, no that's not fucking weather.
When climate shifts, so does weather... so it's both. Which is why it's so sad when people say "it's not climate, it's weather" ... Saying it's weather doesn't rule out it being climate as well in any way.
In the context of climate change, and global warming, his point is correct.
You were fine up to clouds. Clouds reflect sunlight back into space, so more clouds = global cooling. So you see, it's not as simple a line of reasoning as you think it is.
This is the problem with the arguments of a lot of global warming alarmists. They've crafted their arguments so that warmer temperatures are evidence of global warming, and cooler temperatures are also evidence of global warming. To be scientifically valid, a theory has to be falsifiable. If you concoct your argument so that no matter what happens it supports your theory, then it is not falsifiable, and either your theory or your argument is flawed. (This is the problem with string theory - nobody has presented a way to disprove it. So it remains forever stuck in the realm of maybe true but who really knows.)
Stick with the emphasis on mean temperatures rising. That's pretty well established. Don't try to pass off cold weather events as evidence supporting global warming, because anyone with an iota of common sense will call out your BS. The way I figure it, global warming increases the average energy state of the global weather system, resulting in greater temperature extremes (hotter and colder). But it's impossible to say if any specific hot or cold temperature event is a result of global warming, or just natural weather fluctuations. The mean temperature OTOH is a combination of millions of temperature measurements. That statistically averages out the fluctuations, giving you a reliable measure of what the system is doing over time.
when an entire continent sees temperature shifts, no that's not fucking weather.
Like North America did this year?
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How the heck are they starting Fall, when we're 20 days from Spring?
There are links right there in the article to the State of the Climate 2018 report from the Australian Bureau of Meteorology. The report addresses most of your issues, and has plenty of embedded references that you seem to have missed because they weren't all bundled up in the end-matter.
But you probably didn't have time to look into that without sacrificing first post.
http://www.ifiberone.com/columbia_basin/february-snow-sets-new-record-for-wenatchee/article_26cad34a-3c51-11e9-bd16-d30eaba7deca.html
In New Zealand it has felt like a very short and not-so-hot summer. For the past week, late-summer temperatures have been as low as 5 degrees in the morning and topping out at a not-so-flash 19 degrees around here (we're talking Celcius for you 'mericans) during the day.
Even today, there's a cold Southerly and I went back to wearing jeans (instead of shorts and a teeshirt) well before the end of February whereas in years-past, it's been safe to keep wearing my summer gear through to near the end of March.
Of course this may be just an anomoly (in which case it's just "weather") but it might also mean that the bloody Aussies stole our summer in order to get their "hottest ever" weather. Bastards! :-)
Yum yum, love those tasty homogenised temperature records.
I'm only 45 but here in Brisbane this summer didn't stand out as being hot at all if that makes anyone feel better.
Well, it is bitter cold in much of the USA but global warming must go on! Now, why exactly do we as tech geeks have to perpetuate this global warming scam?
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Clouds reflect sunlight back into space [slashdot.org]
That depends on several factors. Clouds also trap IR trying to escape from the Earth during night time. Type of cloud, altitude, and place all matter for the exact balance between the two.
This is the problem with the arguments of a lot of global warming alarmists. They've crafted their arguments so that warmer temperatures are evidence of global warming, and cooler temperatures are also evidence of global warming. To be scientifically valid, a theory has to be falsifiable. If you concoct your argument so that no matter what happens it supports your theory, then it is not falsifiable, and either your theory or your argument is flawed. (This is the problem with string theory - nobody has presented a way to disprove it. So it remains forever stuck in the realm of maybe true but who really knows.)
Well the problem is that climate change evidence appears in the form of both rising global means and increasing global variance of temperature. The problem with this from a PR perspective is that variance (or standard deviation) is a complex statistical concept. How you do communicate that to the public? You can't so they simply point at extreme weather events as evidence (they are). And since that includes both warm and cold events and there are stupid people on both sides, you get dumb absolutist arguments. You sounds scientifically literate pointing out falsifiablity but your simplistic reduction to a binary situation allows you to both be completely wrong and sound scientifically accurate at the same time. You are wrong because we can measure variance and it is increasing which gives us even more evidence that climate change is happening. But you are right that the public wouldn't understand that more subtle point and would be unable to see the fallacy in the binary reduction you used. Either you understand PR well, or you are the victim of PR...
PS The term variance is abused in other fields like data science to mean even more vague but complex things (like error rate or uncertainty).
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Because New Zealand has records going back hundreds of years, eh?
I'm not sure what your point is. Historical meteorological records for New Zealand go back almost 150 years.
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Yet in the article they claim Australia's heat is evidence of global warming.
Indeed. Weather is not climate. Weather doesn't affect an entire continent at once for a combined duration of several months at a time.
Especially now that here in the Midwest we are seeing record setting snowfalls and record setting low temperatures.
Now speaking of weather you just managed to compare an entire summer dataset to the polar vortex which was a weather event, one with a very short duration and on the whole the US has had quite a mild winter. *golfclap*.
Now in the meantime if you care to look at historical data you'll see upwards trends in both countries. If you care to go to the detail you'll find the hottest daytime temperature record wasn't actually set during the hottest continental summer either. But I get it, weather and climate are difficult to separate.
If anyone insists that this is indicative of global warming then every record low temperature must be counted as evidence against it.
That is not how trend lines work. Come back when America actually has had the coldest year on record and the previous record was the year before it, and the record before that was also in the past 4 years.
Then I guess we'd better get hot ... no pun intended ... on some technological solutions.
(Perhaps the saltwater cloud guy from earlier today.)
Hand wringing, scolding, and name calling don't seem to be doing the trick.
Because New Zealand has records going back hundreds of years, eh?
Do you even know what "on record" means, Anonymous Coward?
Or you could just take it from those of us who live there. I'll put it in words even you might be able to understand - It's been really fucking hot all summer and is still hot. Seriously dickhead, go spend some time outside instead of spending your whole life in an air-conditioned bedroom in our parent's house wanking yourself and even you will become convinced of climate change.
geez way to milk it chris
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For first time in 132 years, L.A. never reached 70 degrees in February...
But you stupid fucks still blame it on carbon.
... that the first day of Autumn offered no relief. It was 38degC in the Victorian Central Highlands where I live and looks like being not much cooler than that today.
Your evasion has been noted.
I'm not sure what your point is. Historical meteorological records for New Zealand go back almost 150 years.
His point is probably that 150 years is relatively nothing.
That's roughly equivalent to the documented history of automobiles.
When have they ever reported on record cold temperatures? Where i live in Canada we had A record breaking cold period but they never report on that because the death cult has no interest in telling both sides of the story.
If you want me to believe in man made global warming start by explaining why your predictions have been wrong and explain why you still make end of the world predictions like a childish cult.
If you want me to take you seriously perhaps you should stop acting like a religion.
A YouTuber I follow is at the Avalon Airshow, just south of Melbourne. Not only is it pushing 40, it's windy, that hair-dryer hot wind that makes 40-ish temperatures even worse. In the meantime we've just had the coldest February ever here in Vancouver.
...laura
Right. Because nothing is more scientific than researchers refusing to share data. Proprietary information is bedrock of scientific progress; don't break it.
It gets hot in some parts of Australia, yes, but this year has been fscking ridiculous - as in weeks over 40 (104 fahrenheit) with occasional peaks over 50 (122 fahrenheit... and no, that is not a typo).
And while I know 3 data-points do not a trend make, it's worth noting that as I write this we're expecting 38 celcius here today, for the third day in a row, at the start of autumn, in a part of the country that isn't known for it's high temperatures.
Oh, and we've also had record breaking floods in northern queensland in the last month.
Not that any of this will convince you, just noting the facts.
...in Australia tries to kill you.
No links, no mention of where temperature recordings were made.
If full links were provided to all the data, would you believe them ?
If no, why ask for links ?
If yes, then why are you doubting the conclusion ?
Links? We got links! https://edition.cnn.com/2019/0... https://www.npr.org/2019/01/25... https://phys.org/news/2019-01-... https://www.standard.co.uk/new...
Pages and pages of links.
I'll just note that I haven't found one Fox News link yet, as they are busy showing that Global warming is a hoax........
It snowed in Seattle, you know.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Right. Because nothing is more scientific than researchers refusing to share data. Proprietary information is bedrock of scientific progress; don't break it.
Have you considered moving to the other side of the flat earth? I have zero tolerance for people like you - The Data is right out there, a simple web search away, but you apparently either have a political reason of denial, or are new to the intertoobs.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Well then, it's not much of a point, if what he thinks that means there is no evidence New Zealand has warmed.
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What planet are you on where today is the start of Autumn? Normally that happens with the equinox in a few weeks time (of this post). At least here on Earth. The summary says the same thing, which stands out as peculiar.
That ship has sailed. At this point we have better things to do than arguing with lying flat-earthers.
No links? The article that was liked to contained links to both the report summary, from which you can download the full report, and also a sub-site where you can get the data. It might be worth reading the whole article and checking your facts rather than just posting your unchecked reactions.
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You were fine up to clouds. Clouds reflect sunlight back into space [slashdot.org], so more clouds = global cooling. So you see, it's not as simple a line of reasoning as you think it is. ... so some idea about clouds coming from warm oceans reflecting more sunlight making it cooler is completely irrelevant. Insert comata where you wish.
It is winter there
Don't try to pass off cold weather events as evidence supporting global warming, because anyone with an iota of common sense will call out your BS. ... so much to common sense. If the vortex was not there, it would not be cold. If it would not be cold it would not be snow. If global warming had not shifted the arctic vortex .... and so on. Very simple line of principles and logic.
Yes, because they are idiots. Idiots != common sense. The change in climate pushes the arctic vortex south over north america: hence it is colder in central north america, what you idiots call "mid west". And because the oceans are still warm enough to produce enough rain/snow you have more snowfall
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You mean other than every day this winter since global climate change sent the arctic air to North America?
If the yearly average temperatures are going up (which they are), and the winters are colder, how is that evidence against global warming?
They probably just moved their temp reading meters a few feet and now get full sun. They probably added more readers too in the hotter parts of Australia. Don't be pissy because you don't wan't your frail beliefs challenged.
Ooo, CNN and NPR links. Why don't you link globalwarmingisreal.com while you're busy wasting your time with fake news.
From the guy that still thinks Trump colluded with Russia despite all the evidence otherwise. I'm sure you think the earth is flat too.
Well it's autumn here in Oz, but the heat is still here. Looking out the window all I can see is black smoke from a major bushfire in the Bunyip State Forest. The fire about 10 km away to the south east. It has more than doubled in size in the last few hours. Luckily the wind is blowing from the north. This not typical autumn weather for South East Australia. Our climate is changing and is affecting the environment in a very negative way. Don't need any scientific instruments to see what is happening.
It’s been 37C (100f) all week here in the southern Riverina. Even the denialist here are starting to get worried. At least we’re going to kick the useless right wing turds out of govt soon.
Ooo, CNN and NPR links. Why don't you link globalwarmingisreal.com while you're busy wasting your time with fake news.
In other word, you got nothing. Congratulations on making a fool of yourself.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
In other word, you got nothing. Congratulations on making a fool of yourself.
More so, because the change to night-time temperature is noticeable. Normal early autumn means lower midday temperatures with night-time still holding the daytime heat.
Such an early chill in the season means there's bound to be a temperature spike, then the antarctic winds arrive and winter proper, slowly arrives.
I'm quite surprised this is the hottest summer ever. This summer didn't feel hot. I remember how hot it was in the 1990's. I think it was 1993, it was so hot some days, we had to sit the bath tub to stay cool, workers were sent home and schools closed, you just couldn't do anything at all. It was also very humid then too.
Maybe were just adapting.
You're still missing his point and mine (assuming I'm correct about his point).
He's not saying there is no evidence New Zealand is warming, he's saying that the statement "the hottest on record" is grandstanding.
The Earth has had a climate for what, ~4 billion years? Our records account for ~150 years.
So our records account for ~0.00000004% of climate history.
"Hottest year on record" loses significance within this context.
There was a guy called Ewing - at Woods Hole (IIRC) - who did years of core samples around the Arctic. His conclusion was that there is a 60 year cycle in the snowfall levels. An oscillation, if you will. Lots of Arctic ice means not much water left to make snow. Ice eventually melts and falls as snow on the tundra. Glaciers carry that to the Arctic Sea where it becomes the ice. And around it goes again. Not a lot of meteorlogical records for that part of the world but there should be enough to test against his predictions.
The whole of the USA has had a "mild" winter?
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
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OK, last day of summer and first two days of autumn (google the dates). Sorry Sheldon.
Correct..
Written records going back to the 1700s, physical evidence from Tree ring samples going back over a thouand years, geological records going back millions.
Like, how far back do you really want to go?
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
Why do you want them to lie? The science is very simple, observable and repeatable. Energy enters the system and warms air. The heat , following very basic and predictable thermodynamic increases the differential between high and low pressure regions, and thus thermal energy is converted to kinetic energy. Again, as predicted with simple high school level physics. You get storms. Storms give you cold regions, as any child can tell you.
Why keep asking for evidence. There are tens of thousands of extensive studies, hundreds of thousands of papers. Millions of hours of work.
The evidence is so conclusive, and it has been conclusive since the 1800s when scientists first worked out what was going on when they realised CO2 created banding in the IR spectra and started warning that the industrial era, at the time in its full coal belching swing could create rises of 4 or 5 degrees over time. 150 years later those earliest models have been shown to be somewhat accurate, and as more discoveries have come on line , importantly from ice cores, tree ring studies and geological studies, observational evidence and physics have lined up to provide a picture of a future with extreme highs and lows and vastly more turbulent climate and acidified ocean.
You can be skeptical, but it doesn't matter, the laws of physics don't care about your opinion, because science is not a democracy. Its up to you if you want to be deluded. The earth isn't flat. Vaccines wont give you autism, evolution is real and the climate is warming, and those facts are utterly independent and indifferent to your personal whacky belief system.
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/...
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Wouldn’t the first day of autumn in Southern Hemisphere correspond to first day of spring in Northern Hemisphere? First day of spring in Northern Hemisphere is March 21/20, which even Babylonians knew!
Skepticism is no guarantee of accuracy. Or of knowledge.
Or of manners and respect, either.
Why limit our scope to the climate history of the Earth? I'm sure there are older planets in the galaxy with hotter atmospheres. Or compare it to stellar atmospheres for that matter?
In the context of the history of industrial fossil fuel use, 150 years is significant.
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You do know that the tree rings which were used to help generate the ridiculous hockey stick say the earth has been cooling since 1900?
Bet we don't. We seem to be obsessed with making sure that nobody comes here on a boat because we have been told over and over that they are coming here to steal our way of life and they are ruthless people who have left their family at home and burned their documentation so we can't verify who they are (obviously terrorists, rapists, and assorted ne'er do wells), and giving tax cuts to wealthy people just in case we get to be wealthy one day...
Yeah they did. For all your freakout about a bit of cold weather the January average surface temperature was 3 deg higher than the 51-80 baseline. Incidentally this was almost exactly the same temperature as Jan last year since although you didn't get your polar vortex up the mid west, the golf region had a cold snap last year.
But hey a small circle near the great lake is a -1 deg compared to the 51-80 baseline so quick let Trump know so he can use that as "evidence" that global warming isn't happening, right?
Weather is the short term. If the record is for 100 years, then that isn't short term at all.
Because that claim is a load of bollocks.
1) Bristlecone pines only
2) Only after 1970
3) Only in northern hemispheres
4) every other proxy keeps up, including other tree ring species
5) It's well understood why: pollution. Which is more in the NH.
Otherwise there would be no way to define a continent.
And, despite being warm for polar winter air, it was cold for georgia winter air. Fucking idiot.
unless it fits my narrative.
No one cares that it's getting warmer, it's how fast it's getting warmer. The last time the earth warmed this quickly, there was a mass extinction. The earth doesn't care if life lives. We could all die and the earth will still last for billions of years.
For global warming, a slight increase in temperature results in a large increase in standard deviation. Higher highs and lower lows with a small increase in the average. It's a normal phenomena that the more energy there is in a system that has a cold and hot side, the wilder the self-forming structures in an attempt for physics to equalize. Energy distribution is not uniform.
I keep hearing on how weather is not climate. Especially now that here in Australia we are seeing record setting heatwaves and record setting high temperatures. Yet in your post you claim "The Midwest's" cold is evidence of global cooling.
So what if "The Midwest" saw record low temperatures? This is a weather event, not global cooling.
If anyone insists that this is indicative of global cooling then every record high temperature must be counted as evidence against it. Now, make up your mind. Is weather the same as climate? If so I got lots of burned, brown and dry evidence of global warming in my front yard for you to see. Is weather different than climate? Then this record setting temperature in "The Midwest" is a local news event at best. I shouldn't care about "The Midwest's" cold any more than they care about my bushfire casualty numbers.
Oh, great, another anonymous troll trying to undermine solid science with bullshit and deflection. It's past time to continue being polite to cocksuckers like you.
Fuck off and die of cancer.
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"its", just like not in the summary...