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SpaceX Aces First Launch of Crew Dragon, Built to Carry Humans, and Falcon 9 Touchdown (cnn.com)

"SpaceX's Crew Dragon capsule, its first spacecraft designed to carry humans, took flight for the first time Saturday," reports CNN.

Slashdot reader Applehu Akbar calls it "a perfect launch," noting the test flight is hauling a sensor-loaded dummy named "Ripley" -- plus a 400-pound cargo of essentials for the International Space Station. Crew Dragon will dock on Sunday, CNN reports, then return to earth five days later. "SpaceX's capsule is now en route to the International Space Station, which flies about 254 miles above Earth at tremendous speeds: about 10 times faster than a bullet."
The successful launch puts SpaceX one step closer to a historic landmark: Crew Dragon could be the first commercially built spacecraft to carry NASA astronauts to orbit. And Crew Dragon -- along with a capsule called Starliner built by Boeing -- could end the United States' decade-long reliance on Russia for human spaceflight...

This marks the first and only demo mission that Crew Dragon will fly without humans on board. If all goes well, the capsule design will undergo a few more reviews and safety checks, and it could be ready to fly two NASA astronauts to the space station in July, based on the space agency's current timeline.

Space.com reports that the reusable rocket also landed safely back on earth about 10 minutes after the liftoff, "acing a touchdown on the SpaceX drone ship Of Course I Still Love You, which was stationed off the Florida coast."

65 comments

  1. YES! by DCFusor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Finally, the beginning of delivery of the implicit promise of Apollo. Late, and not by the government that implied human space travel would become commonplace, instead of a ****-waving political exercise and cancelled at step 1.
    Money was of course, an issue, and as usual, private enterprise - and not one yet totally involved in crony capitalism, managed to deliver what the government and their heavily subsidized old-school aerospace contractors could not.
    .

    All possible congrats, props, general hip hip hurray and so forth.
    Just wish I didn't have to wait from childhood until too old to fly for this.

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    1. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing what Elon has single-handedly achieved without any government help.

    2. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he is but I never got government help and I control several long tail businesses.
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    3. Re: YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Tesla is irrelevant, as is your strongman argument. Tesla is a separate company.

      ULA gets a bunch of money every year whether they launch or not. Thatâ(TM)s a government subsidy.

      SpaceX is paid by nasa to perform tasks or build products. If thatâ(TM)s your standard for subsidies then pretty much every company receives subsidies, since the government buys from many private companies.

    4. Re:YES! by XXongo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Finally, the beginning of delivery of the implicit promise of Apollo. Late, and not by the government that implied human space travel would become commonplace,

      It is worth reminding people here that this launch, and this capsule, was developed under a NASA contract (And NASA had funded the development of both Falcon-9 and Dragon before the Crew Dragon project as well).

      Not to take away from SpaceX, but just a reminder that this was an example of NASA and industry working together.

      instead of a ****-waving political exercise and cancelled at step 1. Money was of course, an issue, and as usual, private enterprise - and not one yet totally involved in crony capitalism, managed to deliver what the government and their heavily subsidized old-school aerospace contractors could not.

      More specifically, this was an example showing how government contracts can be done right.

      (The booster landing, on the other hand, was NOT a NASA contract-- that was SpaceX all the way. )

      All possible congrats, props, general hip hip hurray and so forth. Just wish I didn't have to wait from childhood until too old to fly for this.

      Agreed.

    5. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it wasn't government vs. non-government that made a difference, but geeks(tech guys) vs. non geeks

    6. Re:YES! by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well so far the only business SpaceX's Dragon has had is to ferry people to the very much so government built and operated ISS. I mean it's great that we've replaced an expensive cost-plus provider with a fixed price service but they're still the whole reason the market is there. Yes, I know SpaceX got a private moon fly-by in the plans but that's still years away and the casual space tourist market will soon be taken by a $200k suborbital joyride from Blue Origin that isn't useful for anything else. What would drive a commercial expansion of space flight?

      Don't get me wrong, SpaceX is doing a very commendable job bringing down the cost but even if you could get Apollo for 1/100th of the cost the Moon is just a barren rock with no real income potential other than as a researcher or their support staff. Even if came down to the point where you could literally book a flight it'd probably look like "T/R Moon, Tranquility Bay: $10 million. Hotel: SpaceX Plaza, Tranquility Bay: $100k/night." with prices that make seven star hotels look cheap. The only people who can afford that are those who make millions on stocks while they sleep.

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    7. Re:YES! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Even if came down to the point where you could literally book a flight it'd probably look like "T/R Moon, Tranquility Bay: $10 million. Hotel: SpaceX Plaza, Tranquility Bay: $100k/night." with prices that make seven star hotels look cheap. The only people who can afford that are those who make millions on stocks while they sleep.

      That's a bummer for non-wealthy would-be space tourists, but it's also a boon in that separating wealthy people from the money they have just lying around in tax havens and putting it to work is absolutely necessary for the economy to work. It's called currency because it moves, not because it lies still.

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    8. Re: YES! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Paying to purchase a product is different than paying to develop one.

      Then it's probably important that the government is purchasing the product...

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    9. Re:YES! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if came down to the point where you could literally book a flight it'd probably look like "T/R Moon, Tranquility Bay: $10 million. Hotel: SpaceX Plaza, Tranquility Bay: $100k/night." with prices that make seven star hotels look cheap.

      But this would be an INSANE deal for any government or scientific institution, since until now, that same price tag was $16,000,000,000. Would you really be bitching about a 1600-fold (!) decrease in price? So many people's brains (well, true, mostly geologists') would explode just from the thought!

      As to the "just a barren rock" part, the interesting question is whether some kind of avalanche effect would happen or not. True, when Apollo flew to the Moon, it was two guys alone on a barren rock. At one point, it *might* make sense to find and pressurize a lava tube. By that time, you'd be probably going to visit a few thousand people in a moderately comfortable environment, not just jump around in a spacesuit for a few hours.

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    10. Re: YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A visionary with the means made it happen. Sometimes they work for companies, sometimes for governments.

    11. Re: YES! by jamesborr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No question that the government decided to get out of the ISS re-supply business (first cargo, then crew). As they decided to retire the Shuttle (for which they spent many billions in development contracts going back to the 70's with many "private" companies, including Rockwell and a whole list of typical "cost plus vendors"). They could have simply purchased rockets and capsules already available on the open market to perform re-supply and crew change out tasks -- except there were no private companies which such available services, at least in the United States. As no cost plus U.S. contractor was going to invest billions with no foreseeable way to not going bankrupt attempting to provide such services, the U.S. had three options: abandon the ISS, contract with foreign governments for such services, or fund development contracts followed by services contracts (or bundled together) to U.S. based contractors. These contracts were put out to bid, and the government chose contractors to deliver the necessary services (including some development components). For the crew contracts, the U.S. decided on 2 primary contractors, awarding much more money to an existing cost plus contractor (Boeing) for the same service (except Boeing committed to deliver fewer testing services and also re-use of their capsules -- while SpaceX offered more testing in their bid (including max Q abort test) and also new capsules for each crew transports. Now I could be wrong, but I don't see nearly the vitriol directed at the cost plus contractor for delivering less for far more money -- which kind of leaves me to believe that some of the SpaceX naysayers have some tie in to these contractors...

    12. Re:YES! by imperious_rex · · Score: 0

      The only people who can afford that are those who make millions on stocks while they sleep.

      I only make about $1.20 per hour while I sleep. It's not millions, but I'm working on it!!

    13. Re:YES! by DCFusor · · Score: 1

      I said "beginning". Yes, NASA is their prime customer, at a huge savings to us. But how about all those other launches, the profit from which ultimately helps fund this kind of thing? It's all good, we're not there yet, but I've been waiting literally since the late 60's for *any progress whatever* so, yeah, I'm psyched.
      People need to dream. If you give them something to dream about, and then take it away, they're not even as happy as they were before. This is bringing back the dream. Boy, people have short attention spans these days. So I guess, "relax and enjoy your shoes".

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    14. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moon has no atmosphere, so spacecraft built on the moon, from materials mined on the moon, could be launched by catapult or railgun.

    15. Re: YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. DoD pays roughly 4 quadrillion vendors to design and develop all manner of crap. That's not welfare, it's a service.

    16. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moon is an excellent target for exploitation - and basically strip mining. We COULD build a space elevator to lunar orbit with current technology.

      Far saner than Mars at least.

    17. Re:YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cell phones use to cost in excess of $2000 at $4.00 per-minute with questionable coverage areas. If we continue to move forward developing space technology the price will go down once the billions of dollars worth of investment capital is recovered. The commercial companies of today are the beneficiaries of the trillions of dollars the government has spent over the years on space technologies. However, the most difficult, most dangerous, and most expensive piece of getting into space is getting to orbit. We are still using 1940's wiley coyote rocket technology to get into orbit.

    18. Re:YES! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      We are still using 1940's wiley coyote rocket technology to get into orbit.

      It works. When we can build a space elevator, we should do that. Until then, rockets are what we've got.

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    19. Re: YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we can't, because the moon is tidally locked. A space elevator on earth works because at some altitude, the rotational speed of the earth matches the orbital period. This isn't true on the moon.

    20. Re:YES! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      >the Moon is just a barren rock with no real income potential

      Actually, in the Moon has immense income potential if humanity gets serious about expanding into space. Doing that requires raw materials, and the moon is a pretty decent source, with an escape velocity only about 21% as high as of Earth, and no atmosphere to interfere with rail guns and other ground-based launching systems that are far more efficient than rockets(and reaction-mass free).

      Think asteroid mining, with a massive honking asteroid that's already safely in a stable orbit, and offers the convenience of substantial gravity while we're first developing industrial capacity in space. It's not nice concentrated ore like a lot of asteroids may offer, but the moon has pretty much everything Earth does - seemingly even water (from which we can also produce oxygen and rocket fuel), locked up as mineral hydrates in the regolith.

      And one of the most immediately valuable resources is also one of the easiest to produce: radiation shielding. All you need is mass, and it doesn't much matter what it is. Just scoop up regolith, crush it to the desired size, and ship it to orbit to install on the surface of habitats with some sort of binding agent. You can't get much better shielding than that. And the same technology likely serves as the first step for early surface mining of more refined materials like iron - just start with ore-rich regolith and extract the desired materials before launching the crushed slag as more shielding

      Now, that's down the road a ways before it starts really paying off, but the moon is one of the most obvious and potent stepping stones off the planet.

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    21. Re: YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4 billion given to Boeing and Starliner is still in the test phase meanwhile Crew Dragon is already docked to the ISS for half the cost.

    22. Re: YES! by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      I've noticed a great deal of antipathy from some parties to anything Elon Musk is involved in.

      Now, granted, Musk's actions are often ... somewhat erratic. He sometimes seems to bear a resemblance to a Roger Moore era Bond Villain. I think he does that on purpose for the lulz.

      But that doesn't suffice to explain the antipathy.

      It looks to me like the source of a lot of this is some very wealthy people who bet heavily that Musk's companies would crash, and it's getting harder to cover their short positions.

  2. Nightwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does the dummy Ripley wear a T-Shirt and low riding panties too?

    1. Re:Nightwear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure about that but you can be sure the dummy creimer appears somewhere in there somehow.

  3. Faster than a bullet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt nearly anyone here at nerd town knows much about firearms, so that comparison is lost on them.

    The sound of a firearm would send them screaming for mommy and shitting their pants.

    1. Re:Faster than a bullet by PPH · · Score: 0

      Was that a Famas?

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    2. Re:Faster than a bullet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shaddap Republican faggot.

    3. Re: Faster than a bullet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that different bullets fly at wildy different speeds it seams lost on you too.

  4. I have bad news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ripley didn't make it, and the ending was tragic. There was an xenomorph onboard.

    1. Re:I have bad news... by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      Ripley didn't make it, and the ending was tragic. There was an xenomorph onboard.

      She made it the first time.It was at the end of her second encounter the xenomorph was on board. But she did come back with super human abilities.

  5. Seriously? by darthsilun · · Score: 1, Redundant

    the International Space Station, which flies ... at tremendous speeds: about 10 times faster than a bullet.

    I'm taking that to the fucking bank. That's priceless.
    Who writes this shit?

    1. Re:Seriously? by dknj · · Score: 0

      Your president.

    2. Re:Seriously? by tsqr · · Score: 1

      the International Space Station, which flies ... at tremendous speeds: about 10 times faster than a bullet.

      I'm taking that to the fucking bank. That's priceless. Who writes this shit?

      Obviously, written by a fan of comic books and stupid superhero movies. "Faster than a speeding bullet", right?

  6. assumed name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The screen name of the writer of the post (Applehu Akbar) is clever. The cry of Islam is "Allahu Akbar" or "God is great". The author's pen name thus means "Apple is great".

    1. Re:assumed name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly the most annoying screen name I've seen here.

    2. Re:assumed name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, you must be new here.

  7. Re:Dungeons & Dragons! :) by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Clearly we need a new "-1, WTF was that?" moderation option.

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  8. So who built the other rockets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non-commercial companies? I don't get it.

    1. Re:So who built the other rockets? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      Governments. For example NASA commissioned the design of previous manned rockets. They may contract out the design and construction of various parts, but the overall design and oversight was conducted by the government. For example, the Mercury capsule was designed and built by McDonnell aircraft, and the Atlas launcher by Convair. But, the overall requirements and oversight was performed by NASA. For the current commercial contract, NASA defines the requirements and reviews the design to meet them, but it allows the commercial company the freedom to develop their own design to meet the broad requirements. NASA doesn't oversee the design along the way.

  9. Re:Dungeons & Dragons! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be new around here! :)

    GP has 2 points on topic; a funny reference to SpaceX dragron and rocketman but still, he got modded down offtopic.
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  10. Correction by XXongo · · Score: 5, Informative

    "This marks the first and only demo mission that Crew Dragon will fly without humans on board."

    Almost.

    Next flight, without crew, is the in-flight abort test, where they launch, but shut the rocket down at about Mach one and let the excape system pull the capsule away. http://www.parabolicarc.com/20...

    Then comes the first flight with crew.

    1. Re:Correction by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's important to note that abort is at MaxQ - the point in flight of maximum aerodynamic pressure. Yes, it's above Mach 1, but the reason is that if crew escape works there it works everywhere else.

      Since the inside of Falcon 9 will be exposed to atmosphere at MaxQ without a fairing it is expected that the vehicle will be a total loss. They are using a thrice-landed vehicle for the launch, probably without legs or fins to minimize costs.

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    2. Re:Correction by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      The boilerplate second stage will be exposed, but another first stage survived even the CRS-7 incident and apparently had to be destroyed using the FTS equipment. Reportedly, SpaceX will attempt to recover the stage after the abort.

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    3. Re:Correction by OldMugwump · · Score: 1

      Either way, it'll make fantastic video.

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    4. Re:Correction by Megane · · Score: 2

      The best part will be trolling all the people watching who didn't know what the mission was. Oh the humanity!

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  11. Congratulations! by ReneR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Finally the next steps of human space exploration. A pity most governments are more interested in their own shady, old fashioned business, making war, or playing golf. Cudos to Musk and the team he gathers, ..!

  12. Correction corrected by XXongo · · Score: 1
    I stand corrected.

    The table in the parabolicarc site I linked says that the separation (and subsequent breakup of the booster) is at Mach 1.5 to 2.5.

  13. First âoeCommercial lâ Spacecraft? by Jerrry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hardly.

    All of the Apollo hardware was developed and built by private industry. The Saturn V and Apollo spacecraft were built by Boeing (S-IC first stage), North American Aviation (S-II second stage, Apollo command and service modules), Douglas Aircraft (S-IVB third stage), IBM (instrument unit), Grumman (lunar module), and many others (as subcontractors).

    To say that the crew Dragon will be the first âoecommercialâ craft to carry astronauts ignores history.

    1. Re:First âoeCommercial lâ Spacecraft? by Graymalkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most of NASA's equipment is built by contractors. The key difference is the design specs are created by NASA and the equipment is built by contractors according to those specs with feedback from those contractors' own engineers. The Dragon capsule on the other hand was designed and built entirely by SpaceX. It'll end up with an NSN and NASA will buy them like they buy Dell laptops or Bic pens.

      That difference is significant. Even when the Apollo project was ongoing you couldn't buy a CSM and Saturn rocket for any price. With the Dragon being man-rated you, literally you, could buy a Falcon and Dragon pair and get launched into space. You'd probably have to wait as the slated production runs have been pre-sold but SpaceX's production capacity is the only real limitation now.

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    2. Re:First âoeCommercial lâ Spacecraft? by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      The government contracts out ot Boeing, NAA, Douglas,and others. Apple contracts out to Foxconn. Is the iPhone an Apple product or not?

    3. Re:First âoeCommercial lâ Spacecraft? by bongey · · Score: 1

      NONE of the companies EVER used their OWN MONEY to develop the technology, they only did it because the government payed for it. Crap all the companies you listed didn't even spend the money to keep documentation on how to build the parts of the Saturn V.

  14. Did I hear you right, Captain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's right. I said tomato juice, not orange-whatever.

    But congratulations for achieving this milestone! Where do I sign up for Starfleet Academy?

  15. A metric or SAE bullet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't we measure this in the speed of unladen swallows?

  16. Actually, ummmm, no. (was Re:YES!) by rocket+rancher · · Score: 1

    I think a little bit of history is in order. NASA's charter was to "...provide for research into the problems of flight within and outside the Earth's atmosphere, and for other purposes." These are the first words of the legislation that established NASA in October of 1958. NASA has been delivering what NASA has promised since they opened the doors for business -- data on the problems of flight, and other purposes, like data on climate, crops, and the environment. They've had to deal with wildly divergent funding regimes, fluctuations in public opinion, and most recently, an active, directed effort by Republicans to remove science from the public policy sphere. Without NASA's research mission, there would be a far smaller set of commercial opportunities for American businesses in space. Plenty of military ones, but practically no private, commercial ones.

    And Apollo? Apollo was a one-off. It should have been handled 100 percent by the military, and never darkened NASA's door. (The only non-active duty Apollo program astronaut was Armstrong, and he was still military, just not on active duty at the time.)

    Ditto the STS -- Nixon's national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, convinced Nixon that US intelligence agencies would need reliable access to space to combat the growing Soviet presence in orbit, so NASA was given the incompatible tasks of trying to do science and having to keep it secret at the same time. The STS was a failure, not a success, and it should be laid at Nixon/Kissinger's feet, not the US government in general, or NASA in particular.

    So, no. Don't piss on NASA, or the government that created NASA. Instead, piss on the military-industrial complex that hijacked NASA for sixty years. Ironically, the same president that proposed NASA to the American people also warned against that military-industrial complex. And doubly ironic, the agency that was created simultaneously with NASA to handle the weaponization of technology, the Advanced Research Project Agency, accidentally created the Internet. Go figure.