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Amazon Removes Anti-Vaccine Movies After CNN Inquiry (cnn.com)

"Amazon has apparently started removing anti-vaccine documentaries from its Amazon Prime Video streaming service," reports CNN: The move came days after a CNN Business report highlighted the anti-vaccine content available on the site, and hours after Rep. Adam Schiff wrote an open letter to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, saying he is concerned "that Amazon is surfacing and recommending" anti-vaccination books and movies....

Amazon did not respond to questions about why the films are no longer available on Prime Video.

However, while some anti-vaccine videos are gone from the Prime streaming service, a number of anti-vaccine books were still available for purchase on Amazon.com when CNN Business reviewed search results on Friday afternoon, and some were still being offered for free to Kindle Unlimited subscribers... Amazon also had not removed some anti-vaccine books that CNN Business had previously reported on, which users searching the site could mistake for offering neutral information accepted by the public health community.

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  1. Just what we need..... by pollarda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I don't agree with the anti-vaccine crowd, the last thing we need is for Amazon / Google / Facebook to become the arbiters as to what we think, see, and hear. Having everyone think in lockstep is far more dangerous than the anti-vaccine movement imho.

    1. Re:Just what we need..... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having everyone think in lockstep is far more dangerous than the anti-vaccine movement imho.

      Tell that to somebody with smallpox or polio or cervical cancer from HPV. Or the family of someone who died in one of the recent measles outbreaks.

      Too bad there isn't a vaccination against people who think that accepting study after replicated study - thousands of them- that show vaccines are effective and safe is somehow, "thinking in lockstep".

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    2. Re:Just what we need..... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uhm. No. Did you learn that at Berkeley?

      Um, Berkeley was literally the place the free speech movement started, you stupid sonofabitch.

      And yes, forcing someone to publish something is as bad as being forced not to publish something. We're not talking about prior restraint here. This was a letter from an elected representative to a CEO showing concern that a product could be knowingly hurting people. There's no law, no regulation, no compulsion. Jeff Bezos got the letter and said, "OK, good point. Fuck anti-vaxxers. Let them go on Infowars and spread their bullshit. I don't have to carry them in my store."

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    3. Re:Just what we need..... by shilly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Corporations don't have power over what you can say or hear. Give it a try: open your mouth and say something vile and you will find the words coming out of your mouth without Google or Amazon or anyone else preventing you.

      Corporations aren't obliged to buy and re-sell your particular brand of idiocy, however.

    4. Re: Just what we need..... by astrofurter · · Score: 2

      "as a private enterprise he's not obligated to host nazi propaganda"

      You're suggesting they will stop hosting forced-vax nazi propaganda?

    5. Re:Just what we need..... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Corporations don't have power over what you can say or hear.

      If your video isn't on Youtube, does it really exist? Our public square today is dominated by corporations. It's foolish to say otherwise. We have moved on from the era of soap boxes on the street. Imagine in the old days if Ma Bell had the ability to listen in to every phone call and was ordered by management to disconnect calls that opposed the war in Vietnam.

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    6. Re: Just what we need..... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      It will be like Vegas: so long as there's a buffet with crab legs, people won't care what is being done to them.

    7. Re:Just what we need..... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2
    8. Re:Just what we need..... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Most vaccines given to children are not for life threatening diseases, so choosing one of the few that are life threatening means you are trying to manipulate people with half-truths and mis-information.

      Measles, mumps, and chicken pox can be life threatening. Tetanus can be life threatening.

      You accuse me of "half-truths and misinformation", but you don't point out either of those from my post.

      No offense, but you sound like a drooling moron.

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  2. Re:Freedom! Oh no by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Looking forward to those liberal book burnings. Maybe we can resuming burning people at the stake.

    Yet another person who fails to understand the First Amendment. It protects you and me from the government. It does not protect you and me from each other -- or in this case, Amazon.

    As for burning at the stake -- the 17th century called, and they'd like to invite you to a barbecue.

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  3. Not going to work by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This type of thing never works, it just makes the people who already believe in this hunker down because now they believe it's an even bigger conspiracy. If you want to get people to stop believing in this, just make a pro-vaccine movie. Only you don't fill in full of scientists, reason and logic. Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents. Go to the corners of the earth where polio still exists to show them the horrors of that. I think that will get their attention.

    1. Re:Not going to work by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This type of thing never works, it just makes the people who already believe in this hunker down because now they believe it's an even bigger conspiracy.

      You are absolutely correct. However, the real issue here is not the people that already believe this bullshit but the people that may be inclined to believe bullshit by a spreader of said bullshit.

      If you want to get people to stop believing in this, just make a pro-vaccine movie. Only you don't fill in full of scientists, reason and logic. Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents. Go to the corners of the earth where polio still exists to show them the horrors of that. I think that will get their attention.

      A good start but I think we should go one further and show how much money is made by "big pharma" from each kid that gets sick from these diseases and then claim they founded the anti-vax movement. ;)

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    2. Re:Not going to work by umafuckit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This type of thing never works, it just makes the people who already believe in this hunker down because now they believe it's an even bigger conspiracy. If you want to get people to stop believing in this, just make a pro-vaccine movie. Only you don't fill in full of scientists, reason and logic. Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents. Go to the corners of the earth where polio still exists to show them the horrors of that. I think that will get their attention.

      It probably won't get their attention: they are blind to reason. They will just think the film is propaganda and either not watch it or do so but use twisted logic to disregard it. People believe the Earth is flat, so believing vaccines are bad for you is a far easier delusion to maintain. The only thing that might change their minds is if their kids die or are debilitated by the diseases they are failing to vaccinate them against. Their current belief system has little of any obvious repercussions on themselves, so it's easy to continue the self deception.

    3. Re:Not going to work by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it just makes the people who already believe

      It's not the people you already you need to worry about. It's the ones who don't believe but who are receptive to this kind of crap. It doesn't even have to turn them into true believers to cause harm. It just has to sow doubt / fear / distrust so they don't get shots and put their children and others at risk of serious harm or death

      Amazon and social media sites don't have to stop hosting antivax (though that would be nice), but there is no reason either that they should give it due prominence. If someone searches for vaccine information, then the science, evidence based information should appear before any antivax stuff. Bury the antivax results where they belong. There is no reason either for Amazon, or social media services to actively promote the antivax through suggestions, keywords, targeted ads etc.

      If major websites actively did that then eventually this brain damage would be contained. There would always be true believers but it would not be a mainstream belief. So yes it could work, providing the likes of Amazon grew a pair and actually did something.

    4. Re:Not going to work by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then why is it only now becoming a big problem? This kind of material has existed for decades but was hard to find and access. Yet suddenly the movement is taking off again. What is your explanation?

      The reality is that it's become a big monkey maker for some people, who have figured out how to push it. Where as previously no publisher or movie theatre would have given then a platform, Amazon and YouTube decided they wanted to be the new platforms but that any kind of moderation probably wasn't necessary.

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    5. Re:Not going to work by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Go film some of the anti-vaxxers whose children got sick with perfectly preventable diseases. Make sure to really capture the suffering of those poor children and the misery of the dumb-fuck parents.

      They could equally well interpret it as being God's will, that he wanted some new angels or was testing their faith or something.

      Like that dude who applied for a lot of jobs and was told not to look back but he did and was assaulted by a pillock.

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    6. Re:Not going to work by Hope+Thelps · · Score: 2

      The lord works in mysterious ways. No seriously I know of an anti-vaxxer who had one of her children die, and she's still 100% anti-vax. When the news about her broke in the local newspaper she also complained that she doesn't understand why everyone thinks she's a horrible person for doing something "she believes in".

      These people are in a different world. Their brains don't tick right.

      That's not that weird, It's just sunk cost fallacy, which is illogical but normal human nature. Someone's invested so much into an idea that, in their mind, it has to be justified.

      It's part of what keeps victims paying in advance fee fraud. It's part of what can keep otherwise competent people following a doomed course on a failing project.

      You can't have much more invested in an idea than to have lost a child to i t. It's not surprising that someone can't face accepting that they've done so unnecessarily.

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    7. Re:Not going to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah you've hit it. The woman with the dead child is the very one that is NEVER going to admit she's wrong because then she'd be force to confront the fact that her beliefs killed her child.

  4. Re:anti-vaccine is a cult by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

    Let's try information and education instead, hm'kay?

    Sure, next up I'll try talking some fundamentalist christians out of the existence of god. Surely scientific methods and facts will sway their opinions.

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  5. Re:Freedom! Oh no by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Freedom of speech.
    Freedom of the press.
    The freedom to publish.
    The freedom to watch a movie and review it.
    The freedom to make a movie and have it sold?

    After an open letter from .... big g o v.

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  6. Re:Freedom! Oh no by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet another person who fails to understand the First Amendment.

    The poster you replied to didn't mention the 1st Amendment.

    Just because corporate thought control is legal, that doesn't mean it is a good idea.

  7. Re: Freedom! Oh no by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    What content will congress like to restrict next AC?
    Right to repair? The import of computer parts and how to repair?
    Books on the math of DRM and crypto?
    Tax information?
    Books and movies on the lie detector tests?
    Anti war movies and books?
    Books by whistleblowers about the history of the mil/security services?
    Movie reviews in books that are too political and that make a movie not sell?

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  8. Re:Freedom! Oh no by AC-x · · Score: 2

    however, in general we should be wary of restricting any speech or sharing of information

    Just as we should be wary of forcing people to publish others' speech.

    You want to ensure a virulent idea survives? Persecute it so that those who adhere to it have a cause to support.

    Apparently not

  9. Re:Disturbing trend by AC-x · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why shouldn't a bookstore be able to choose what they stock? Why should a bookstore be forced to carry a product they don't want to sell?

  10. Re:Censorship begins by sg_oneill · · Score: 2

    These conspiracy theories destroy lives.

    An old friend of mine who had always been a bit gullible , when his father was sick from Melanoma, convinced his father to stop the chemo and radiotherapy and instead start on "miracle minerals", aka drinking bleach. The poor old guy died in incredible agony , and its not clear it was the cancer that got him in the end, as he died of liver failure, a common outcome of drinking bleach.

    Last thing I heard he had nearly hospitalized his wife in a beating beause she had their todler vaccinated.

    These beliefs can destroy peoples lifes. And we can pontificate all we want about these hypothetical scenarios , but the material circumstances in front of our eyes are people being convinced of dangerously stupid ideas leading to horrific outcomes.

    Do yourself a favor and do a google image search on Black Salve injuries, then come back and tell me if you think civil society should not intervene

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  11. Re:Freedom! Oh no by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But I don't think that a company choosing which books to sell or not sell constitutes "thought control."

    The books were not pulled because they weren't selling well, but because they contained thoughtcrimes.

    The books/videos were pulled hours after they received a letter from a congressman, which was an implied threat of government retaliation.

    It is easy to justify targeting of anti-vaxxers. But this sets a very dangerous precedent.

    "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." -- H. L. Mencken

  12. Re:Freedom! Oh no by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a copororatist system, it does not matter who is censoring you. Corporations can buy whatever laws they want. America certainly has such a system. The real question is why are you on Slashdot defending the right of billionaires to suppress us from speaking, even if we're wrong? You work for a social media management company, don't you?

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  13. Re:Freedom! Oh no by shilly · · Score: 2

    Oooh, ooh, I've got another idea for how you can get a virulent idea to survive beside persecuting it. Wanna hear?

    You can get a virulent idea to survive by promoting it too!

    So tell us, clever clogs: how do you get a virulent idea to die out? You can't argue against it, because its adherents see arguments as "persecution" even if you don't mean it that way. You can't choose not to stock books that promote it, even though you're a private company, because apparently that's also persecution. And if you do nothing, its adherents will continue to spread the message. So how *do* you get the idea to die out?

  14. Re:Freedom! Oh no by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The books were not pulled because they weren't selling well, but because they contained thoughtcrimes.

    Oh get over your self. Using hysterical emotional, laden language like "thoughtcrime" just indicates you're not engaging your brain and actually thinking.

    Crank movements existed long before the internet and the ability that gives to reach a huge audience with little effort. They still had their free speech then and they still have it now. They can still self-publish pamphlets, speak in the town square promoting their crankery. They can even set up a website and there are even webhosts dedicated to hosting literally anything protected under the first amendment (such as Dreamhost, no affiliation except being a happy customer).

    What you are demanding is that people have the right for othes to provide them services whereby they can monetize whatever they say.

    That's the most ludicrously over-entitled reading I think I've ever heard of free speech. No, you don't have the right to force others to help you monetize your cranky views.

    It is easy to justify targeting of anti-vaxxers. But this sets a very dangerous precedent.

    No it doesn't. There has never been a time when private vendors have ever stocked all books regardless of their content. To claim it "sets a precedent" is to ignore all of history.

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  15. Re: anti-vaccine is a cult by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

    What a shit attempt at trolling. 1/10.

    I'm atheist and I agree with GP - the majority of the worlds muslims are further to the right than the KKK. Why call out the less-extreme forms of religion, but not the extreme ones?

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