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Elon Musk Tweets New Details About Tesla's Model Y Electric SUV (mashable.com)
"For anyone who thought that there was too much Tesla news this weekend, I've got some bad news for you," writes long-time Slashdot reader Rei, sharing new information gleaned from a series of tweets.
"Elon Musk just announced the unveiling of the Model Y SUV on March 14th at Tesla's LA Design Studio." A surprising number of details were revealed, including non-falcon doors, a similar appearance to the Model 3, and pricing about 10% more than a Model 3, with slightly lower range, due to the increased mass and cross section.
The unveiling will not include the Tesla pickup truck; that will be later this year. Model Y is to share 75% of its hardware with Model 3 to simplify the development process, with volume production targeted for late 2020, and initial production in early 2020. Musk also stated: "First public Tesla V3.0 Supercharger Station goes live Wed 8pm" (V3 is the much awaited new generation of higher power, cheaper to operate Superchargers).
"Personally, I'm most excited by the Tesla Truck," Musk posted on Twitter. "Maybe it will be too futuristic for most people, but I love it."
"Elon Musk just announced the unveiling of the Model Y SUV on March 14th at Tesla's LA Design Studio." A surprising number of details were revealed, including non-falcon doors, a similar appearance to the Model 3, and pricing about 10% more than a Model 3, with slightly lower range, due to the increased mass and cross section.
The unveiling will not include the Tesla pickup truck; that will be later this year. Model Y is to share 75% of its hardware with Model 3 to simplify the development process, with volume production targeted for late 2020, and initial production in early 2020. Musk also stated: "First public Tesla V3.0 Supercharger Station goes live Wed 8pm" (V3 is the much awaited new generation of higher power, cheaper to operate Superchargers).
"Personally, I'm most excited by the Tesla Truck," Musk posted on Twitter. "Maybe it will be too futuristic for most people, but I love it."
Next, do a partnership with Jeep and build a trail rated Jeep/Tesla doodad.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Yet they just paid a 900+ billion dollar convertible bond and have Shanghai going online. Oh, and they also went profitable last quarter. People naysaying every day, but Tesla is doing it.
But, when the Tesla Semi hits the roads, it might be able to soak it all up. Semi is supposed to be 600 mile range on a 1 MW battery. It could soak up SCV3 at full blast for 2 hours may be.
It would be better if Tesla designs a charger that send down super chilled coolant and the battery gets a heat exchanger to keep it cool. That can charge 325 miles in 35 minutes. But very complicated, and will involve lots of expenses.
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You can add a roof rack and tow kit. Videos are on YouTube of Model X pulling an aircraft.
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It is not 110% of 35K version. SUVs are dual motors. So we are looking at 45K for model Y. Plain ICEV Rav4 is 24K, fully loaded Rav4 hybrid is 35K. Still it will sell well. It can probably sell as much as Rav4.
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You can find Youtube videos of people pulling aircraft, too... That doesn't make the person an SUV.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Perhaps this means they are finally going to admit that the Model X is a minivan? Let's just say that a search of pictures of the Model X actually being used off road results in a lot of very flat terrain...
You can drive most cars off-road. It's getting them back on the road afterwards that's challenging.
Model X tow package here.
Why would anyone want to take their SUV off road? It might get scratched.
What about that post is inaccurate? Low estimates for Tesla run rates are about $600 million per month for operations. Their own reported interest earnings indicate low cash on hand throughout the quarter despite the one-time reported ending cash balances. They sold less than 6,000 cars for February. Demand has collapsed. Tesla is in serious trouble.
S 3 X Y
Hey grandpa! Top 5 SUVs last year:
1) Toyota Rav4
2) Nissan Rogue
3) Honda CR-V
4) Chevrolet Equinox
5) Ford Escape
It's not the 80s anymore. Only poor people take their SUVs off road.
All that comes into the equation for buying commercial trucks is capital cost, running cost and logistics.
I think logistics will hurt Tesla, as the range and charge time put it at a disadvantage. Diesel trucks can be run 20+ hours a day, everyday.
S, 3, X, Y..... I wonder if Musk is trying to send a subliminal message here.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
The Model X is hardly unique in terms of being labeled an "SUV" even though it has no off-road capability and no roof racks and no towing...
Elon wanted to call the Model 3 the 'Model E' but Ford complained about trademark infringement so he compromised with the number 3 instead. He explicitly said at the time that he wanted the initialism to spell 'SEX'.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
> They sold less than 6,000 cars for February
is that with or without the cars sold outside the US ?
yellow headed monster in chief disagrees.
They're only quoting US figures, even though the vast majority of what Tesla has been producing this quarter is going to China and RHD W. Europe + Scandinavia, with around a dozen RO-RO ships sent so far.
They also of course picked the low estimate for US February figures (InsideEVs), rather than AlphaHat or Edmunds, and then rounded it down.
They also neglected to mention that January and February are strong annual seasonal low months for Tesla in the US, being in the lowest-volume quarter and with respect to the fact that there's generally a quarterly cycle, with the most US sales in the third month of the quarter.
They also forgot to mention that Tesla started the quarter with $3,7 billion dollars in cash.
But apart from that... DOOOOOOOOM!!!!!
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
Yes, companies with billions of dollars of cash on hand and expanding much faster than even Amazon did into a market that most people consider to be the future of transportation and energy storage should totally declare bankruptcy. That makes a ton of sense; I don't know why we didn't think of it before!
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
he's got the hair implants.
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If you're trying to solve your hair problems by using Sildenafil , I think you're doing it wrong.
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Model X is very popular for towing, and frequently fitted out with a roof rack. No, it's not good for offroading - but neither are most SUVs today. It has by far the largest interior space of any of the EVs today calling themselves "SUVs", and in the mid-to-upper range of the interior space of SUVs in general.
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
People make all sorts of weird videos on Youtube.
Emphasis on the word 'weird.'
Where in the warranty does it say that? Under "Warranty limitations", "Towing the vehicle" is an exclusion, but not "Towing with the vehicle".
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
Please don't use that example. Pretty much anything can tow an aircraft including a person. Better to point to actual specs such as the shitton of torque (that's metric for "a lot") the Model X produces.
Also good is more calling out of bullshit from the GP. The Model X has a spacious boot so you can carry a spare tire. The Model X has general ground clearance of 8 which can be electronically raised an inch as well putting it inline or exceeding the clearance of other SUVs to say nothing of the fact that a standard sedan has a clearance of 6" and a sports sedan even less.
No off-road capability except for 2-3" more clearance than the GP suggests as well as 4WD and the option to add roof racks, add a tow hitch and a lot of spare space in the trunk if you want to carry a tire.
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I'm you yourself.
The matrix is real.
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
Yep, they're shipping 3-4000 cars to Europe per week right now, and those are all still the high margin long range version.
US demand was fully expected to go down to almost zero temporarily when the federal tax credit was cut in half. Many people ordered earlier in december rather than wait for january or february. 6000 cars in february is actually a lot better than I would have expected.
Meanwhile, I think it's clear that they delayed the short range model not because they couldn't make it, but simply because there was still so much demand for the more expensive version and they would be fools to throw that money away. Looks like that demand was stronger than they had expected, so they kept pushing the cheaper version back until finally, just now, they are reaching the point where demand for the expensive version is less than max production rate.
Yep, here is the link.
And here's another link without the drama, just the launch seen from next to the starting line.
The point is that they do have a trailer hitch (as an option), and a roof rack. And I bet it outperforms a lot of other so-called "SUV"s off road.
They did just issue a profit warning though. It seems like their plan to get the $35k Model 3 out the door is to forego profit for now and hope to cut costs enough to get back into the black. Hence the closing of stores, with more cost cutting presumably to come.
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I'm curious how far it could actually tow something like a camper without having the battery totally die on it anyway. Most camp grounds worth my while are over 200 miles away with no place to charge.
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I drive my SUV in 2-3 feet of snow regularly without a problem. Would I have a problem with a model X?
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One of the largest markets for the Model X is Norway. Is your weather worse than Norway's?
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
Lol it only goes down to -3C in Norway; that's going to melt just from the tires. I'm talking about -40C!
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What about Solar City? Did Solar City have a cash pile of billions of dollars and no looming major debt payments?
BTW, I never cared about Solar City (their business model was fundamentally based on the concept of solar panels being expensive, which is sort of an anti-cleantech-advancements play). Not that you care, of course. I do like the solar roof idea a lot, however. But obviously vehicles get first dibs on investment money, since they're higher margin.
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
More to the point, IMHO, they had to unveil it before they unveiled the Model Y (which Musk stated nearly a year ago would be unveiled around 15 March). Otherwise, they'd have no credibility when discussing the price point for the Model Y. On the other hand, they very much don't want to delay the Model Y, as SUVs/CUVs are more popular in the US than sedans.
All that said: the $35k Model 3's unveiling clearly had been planned well in advance. You don't spontaneously generate new vehicle models, new interiors, new websites, and new government approvals, out of thin air; these things take a long time.
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
Welcome to Slashdot, where mountainous, arctic Norway is treated as a tropical paradise, if that's what you need to make an argument against Tesla.
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
The guidance for Q1 was previously "We're not sure if we can turn a profit in Q1". This was not a major revision. It's due to a lot of one-time charges - for example, severance costs, the start of international shipping (which leaves you with more inventory in transit), etc.
The base model cost $38k to produce in December. They've now trimmed 7% of the workforce (plus more when they close the lower-traffic stores and convert the others to galleries, which should roughly halve their SG&A - although that's not a GM issue), They've had another quarter of general margin improvements. Production rates are much faster, which means lower depreciation per vehicle. Raw material costs are down (check out battery grade cobalt oxide, nickel sulfate, and lithium carbonate price trends). Etc, etc. You don't have to take Musk's word in the reporter call (where he repeatedly used past tense when talking about achieving profitability on the $35k car), it's pretty obvious that they have a positive gross margin on it. The question is how high.
Of course, almost nobody will choose the base model, which is being backed up by anecdotal reports from the stores. Even someone who's on a really tight budget would be IMHO hard pressed to not splurge on at least the SR+ for $2k more, to get an extra 20 miles and partial-premium interior. The discounts on the higher-end versions appears to have seriously boosted them as well. There appears to be about a 30-40% take rate on the base autopilot (plus a small take rate on FSD), and that's pure margin. Paint colours are margin, wheel choices, interior options, etc. It's looking like an ASP somewhere around $45k.
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
So it goes below -3? Because to me that is tropical. Just speaking from personal experience.
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Heck, regular salt works at -3.
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Sorry for the multiple posts, but I did some research. This is how winter driving is in Norway:
Make sure to a have full thank of fuel, there are no petrol stations on convoy stretches
Bring rope, flashlight and shovel
Bring food and warm drink
Bring winter clothes and shoes
Flash the emergency light when the convoy starts moving
Keep close to the car ahead
Stay in the convoy, keep a steady speed
Don't leave the convoy or try to turn back
Stay in the car if the convoy halts
Don't stray from the car if you to stop
Are you saying people are driving their Model X's through there? Because I sincerely doubt it. They are driving their Model X's where it is maintained like everyone else.
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So it's a compliance car. Losing money on every one unless they upsell, exists purely to fulfil Musk's promise.
Similar to "Full Self Driving" that is nothing of the sort, and is only called that to try to stave off lawsuits from people who bought it three years ago but haven't had it delivered yet.
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I'm curious how far it could actually tow something like a camper without having the battery totally die on it anyway.
That's close to a non sequitur as it depends on the normal range of the Electric and the curb weight of the camper. Same as with an ICE.
Most camp grounds worth my while are over 200 miles away with no place to charge.
Most RV campgrounds have at least 30amp service, and usually 50.
I'm not talking about a campground though. I'm talking about wilderness.
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I drive my SUV in 2-3 feet of snow regularly without a problem.
Dude, stop. Unless you're SUV is a Monster Truck, you're lying.
No, Ford Explorer, tires with teeth. 2-3 feet easy.
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i'm not saying it *clears* the snow. I'm saying it can pull itself through.
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The point is that they do have a trailer hitch (as an option), and a roof rack. And I bet it outperforms a lot of other so-called "SUV"s off road.
The gull wing doors make the Model X unfortunately an impractical vehicle for a lot of things on roof-racks. It's a case of trying to make the vehicle look fancier and taking away functionality. Tesla has done some great things, but unfortunately, I think they sometimes place style ahead of function.
I'm excited about the new Rivian models as they look decidedly practical. (but still not bad-looking).
Not that I can afford a Rivian or a Model X.
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If this is going to be based on the Model 3, then is it actually going to be an SUV, or a CUV? Even the "SUV" Model X had rather unimpressive ride height and ground clearance. It was much closer to a CUV than a proper SUV in that respect.
Seriously... S3XY? Beavis and Butthead give it two thumbs up...
I think I read an article a long time ago where Musk was interviewed about his planned vehicles- and he always planned it that way- and for exactly that reason. The 3 was originally going to be an E.
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I must say I agree with you on the impracticality of Model X vs. Rivian. Although most actual owners do seem to be fond of their gull wing doors. Target audience, I suppose.
Sorry Rei, Tesla is done. Game over man.
To be fair, I think you also predicted Tesla would never produce the model 3: would be bankrupt within a year (years ago), the electric car would never take off, no one besides rich people would buy electric cars...etc
You've been wrong on every other prediction about Musk and Tesla so far.
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That's because you misunderstand what an SUV is. SUV did not originally mean "off-road".
The SUV was born with the Ford Explorer, not especially an off-road vehicle, where the "Sport" was in contrast to its most obvious competition---minivans. At the time, station wagons fell out of favor due to government regulations that favored truck platforms. Families started buying minivans and the SUV was born as a "sporty" alternative.
Once the category mattered, true off-road vehicles were lumped into it. Jeeps never defined the SUV, masculine station wagons did. Companies like Volvo literally converted their wagons to SUVs by jacking them up a few inches and slapping new skins on them. Companies that entered the category, like MB and VW, with true off-road worthiness soon learned that was a disadvantage and removed the "truck" from future models.
So the Model X is an SUV in the classic definition of an SUV and you suffer from a history deficit. No, the biggest problem with the Model X is that it is the worst eyesore on the road today. It is brazenly the minivan that all SUVs are and lacks the masculine styling that differentiates them.
Yes, they do, despite your disbelief. Around 50% of all vehicle sales are now electric in Norway. Model X is one of the more popular models.
Your refusal to believe something doesn't make it not real.
When was the last time you ran anywhere? I mean with your own legs, not by pressing 'X'?
So cool, more nuclear/coal powered oversized vehicles on the road, with drivers thinking they are greener than anyone.
Nuclear IS greener than ICE. Even coal power-plants are. It is much more efficient to produce power at a centralized location than individually in each little car on the road. Not to mention, most are charged during off-peak hours when excess production would have meant wasted energy anyway. (you can't just turn power plants on and off exactly at peak demand).
That's not to say that there are not ecological problems associated with producing power of any kind. Certainly the batteries themselves aren't entirely without ecological blame. It's a matter of degrees.
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Then if the passes are less then 200 miles and there are EV charging stations in between it's not really that bad or remote there. We have already ascertained that they are still within a temperature range that doesn't take 40% from the battery.
In -40 an EV would make it through a range of 150km at best, then you're stranded. If you look at a mountain highway like the Ququahalla in BC it is mostly all treacherous in the winter and is 543.3 km long.
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Coquihalla* Lazy spelling.
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Density of people in Norway is 14.34 / sq km! That's pretty high for a geographically small country. Canada is 3.7 / sq km by comparison. Of course you're never far from a plug in Norway.
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Why would anyone want to take their SUV off road? It might get scratched.
Given the condition of most roads in the US, going off road is likely the safer option.
Furthermore, pretty sure -3C won't kill people. You can wait for hours for help.
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"Yes, companies with billions of dollars of cash on hand and expanding much faster than even Amazon did into a market that most people consider to be the future of transportation and energy storage"
Energy Storage and generation - NO. Tesla couldn't even get us to produce their utter garbage panels. We took one look at their shit roof tile design and laughed them off our production floor. So much blank space in those panels that you'd need $20,000 of their shit to match $2,000 of ours.
No wonder Solar City is swirling around the toilet.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
And it fits with the planned objective of starting Tesla to begin with. That is making electric vehicles sexy enough for the mainstream.
"The Model X has general ground clearance of 8 which can be electronically raised an inch as well putting it inline or exceeding the clearance of other SUVs:
In other words, fucking up that center of gravity even more and making the vehicle even more prone to flipping over.
There is a reason most SUVs are dropping the ground clearance, and it ain't because of grannies buying them.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
"no weight on the roof is going to affect its' friction force by anything substantial."
Says the chair-bound idiot that has never loaded a couple of tons of rocks onto an SUV after a nice rockhounding trip.
Only dumb ass is your dumb ass. Go outside and try doing something with your pathetic life.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Never heard of knobbies and chains, retard?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Most camp grounds worth my while are over 200 miles away with no place to charge.
I'm not talking about a campground though. I'm talking about wilderness.
Sorry, your use of the word camp ground made me think you were talking about a campground. My bad.
Do you find many gas stations in your wilderness?
Even a puny Nissan Leaf will do most daily driving for most people. If you're like some people and have a four hour commute each day - any Tesla should get you there and back on a single charge. A Tesla will help you plan longer trips, with routes and stops for charging stations. The rest is the fallacy that EV's have to be all things to all people. But you wouldn't rubbish a Honda Civic just because it can't drive you through foot deep snow on a trip to the Northwest Territories, would you?
Link to a pic of your magic SUV. I think you're lying.
You mean LHD (Left-hand drive) in Western Continental Europe. The UK is still waiting for RHD (Right-hand drive) Model 3s to start production which is expected to start in the 2nd quarter this year.
Torque is just one aspect of a tow rating. Though your example is one that doesn't actually require a lot of torque and is only good for show to the naive, EVs do have much better low-end torque than other technologies. This is one of the reasons virtually all trains are diesel-electric hybrids.
But, the towing capacity is also dependent on how much weight the vehicle can hold and control at the hitch when doing crazy things like slamming on the brakes while going around sharp curves or weaving left and right at speed to go around an obstacle that suddenly appears. Towing more than your capacity can allow for things like side-to-side oscillations to start up while driving down the highway that can eventually go out of control and jackknife your vehicle. Or there may be braking situations that cause the weight to bear down on the hitch and pop your front wheels off of the ground causing immediate loss of all steering control.
I suspect Teslas with their low center of gravity and the high mass of the batteries will also be king in these areas, but not so much that you could ever have a true tow rating of something ridiculous like 100K pounds from a Model Y, X, or even the upcoming pickup truck.
What you need is a camper made for a Tesla. It could have its own battery pack. Of course, Tesla would have to provide some sort of kit to allow the connection of a trailer battery somewhere near the hitch. But, it would be cool.
Speaking of campers, every time I pass a camper struggling on a grade or pulled-over to cool the transmission and/or brakes, I scratch my head as to why the great American motor home was not the first type of vehicle to go full-on EV. Neither weight nor space is near the concern that it is for smaller vehicles. Many of them cost enough that a 250+ kWh battery pack wouldn't be much of a blip in their cost. They don't go very far on most days. They tend to park every night at a site that already has a 50A plug. They desperately need a torque upgrade for the mountains their owners always love to take them over. They could regain a lot of that energy from going up when they go down the other side, etc. etc.
and making the vehicle even more prone to flipping over.
except that the model X is very resistant to flipping over. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
at : -36C : yes.
https://youtu.be/capOgUHPz9Q?t...
Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
Until he read that he thought gimp was a graphics editor.
USB, USB, USB!
I did use the word camp grounds, but even then often you end up in overflow without an electrical hookup.
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With no electrical*
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Seeing as they get 2MPG on gas, they may get 50 miles on a battery and then need a fill. No one is going to want to go a long distance that way.
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Says the chair-bound idiot that has never loaded a couple of tons of rocks onto an SUV after a nice rockhounding trip.
Really? A couple of tons? I smell bullshit!
Cargo capacity of a model X is around 1900 lbs, that's people gear, and cargo. Most SUVs I searched are right around 2000, and again, that's people, gear, cargo, and fuel (where applicable). In order to get anywhere near "a couple of tons" capacity you need to get into a 3500 class pickup truck. Towing is a different story, but then we have to figure out how a couple of people hand loaded two tons of rocks onto a trailer. And if we somehow managed to convince a bunch of people how much "fun" that was, we have to figure out where we can go where we can remove two tons of rocks without getting arrested. (Hint, don't go to Arizona)
Ok, so actually on topic... Unless you are literally putting 250 pounds of material on your roof (which is well above what a standard roof rack is rated for) you're not going to affect the friction force.
No true scotsman...
My 66 VW did just great off road without any extra lift or anything. It just got some more aggressively-treaded tires.
The Model X has a little better clearance and shares a nice, flat undercarriage. Unless you want to define "off road" as some arbitrarily difficult to overcome hurdle, the X should be fine off road.
It's got a 410 mile range (+400 if you replace the tool box with a spare battery), a real winch, and is designed to actually work in off road conditions.
A real truck, not a city truck like Tesla will have.
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The Subaru Crosstrek is just an Impreza with a 2" lift and some widebody-style extenders on the wheel arches.
Cracks me up every time I see one. The only advantage it has over an Impreza for 95% of the drivers is it looks cool. And the lift and ridiculous wheels cost you about 10% of your gas mileage.
Look at them side by side, they barely even tried to make them different:
https://pictures.dealer.com/p/...
Anyone else make the "Eating Pi at the Y" connection, or am I the only one in the gutter here?
3.14... model Y....
'like a model 3', sounds to me nothing like a real SUV, just as ugly/boring as the Model X which was also just a morphed upwards Model S. Wake me up when they release a real SUV.
Almost all of the Canadian population is in a narrow southwards populated band, though, with a much higher density. That is, Canada has a bunch of land with basically no people in it.
Right, but if I want to drive an EV through that land I still need charging stations every 200 miles or so, on every highway. There are also ice roads only open in winter to consider. the longest one in Canada is 467m/752km.
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