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France Considers Raising Taxes on Internet Giants (reuters.com)

France's Finance Minister has drafted a new law to tax internet giants, reports Reuters: A three percent tax on the French revenue of large internet companies could yield 500 million euros [$568 million U.S. dollars or £429 million] per year, French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Sunday. Le Maire told Le Parisien newspaper the tax is aimed at companies with worldwide digital revenue of at least 750 million and French revenue of more than 25 million euros.

He said the tax would target some 30 companies, mostly American, but also Chinese, German, Spanish and British, as well as one French firm and several firms with French origins that have been bought by foreign companies. The paper listed Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple (the four so-called "GAFA" companies) but also Uber, Airbnb, Booking and French online advertising specialist Criteo as targets. "A taxation system for the 21st century has to built on what has value today, and that is data," Le Maire said. He added it is also a matter of fiscal justice, as the digital giants pay some 14 percentage points less tax than European small-and-medium sized companies.

The draft law will be presented to the cabinet on Wednesday, and then presented to France's parliament, Reuters reports.

"The tax would also target the sales of personal data for advertising purposes."

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  1. You jealous? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The French have fast trains. The US does not.
    The French have access to health insurance regardless of means -- if you lose your job and get sick, you won't end up deep in medical debt.
    French universities are covered by the government, no need to save $200,000 in school funds starting when your kid is born.

    What does the US have? Endless war, mass incarceration -- the money is used to do violence instead of helping fellow Americans.

    1. Re: You jealous? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, the US can blow up any country in the world while leaving its own citizens in the lurch (or in prison, or addicted to opiates, or dying of cancer from breathing the fumes from military burn pits). YAY AMERICA!

    2. Re:You jealous? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The US pisses away a lot of money upholding petty, terrorist-sponsoring dictatorships and apartheid states in the Middle East -- this has nothing to do with the security of Europe. If the US wanted to, they could slash defense spending by 50% and still be safe.

    3. Re:You jealous? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The last war France won on its own, it still had a king. We bailed you out of your last 3 (including one in which you were completely occupied). I think we're even...

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  2. Re:Cant innovate, lets tax by xlsior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    France defaults to extra big taxation. Invest in France and enjoy that extra big tax. Who in France is getting all the new tax spending?

    People who need healthcare, people who enjoy decent public transportation and high-speed trains, people who work to live and not live to work?

  3. Re: Magic free money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they could raise prices 3% with no consequences, they would have already done it. That's a given. So no, they will not simply raise prices. It may change the optimal price/volume point, and so indirectly change prices (which could be up or down, if they want to claw back profits by volume, they may reduce prices).

  4. Re:Magic free money by Mr.+Dollar+Ton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You fail to consider the market for FB services. It is not what the users are *paying*, it is what advertisers are. It is business oriented, so the elasticity of demand and the power to negotiate is significantly better than what a consumer has. So, believe me, nothing close to full passing of the tax is even close to happening. And since the amount is not even all that big, it ain't getting passed on the consumer at all.

    Not to mention that if a service is a monopoly, then regulation should not be optional, but mandatory. Monopolies are always bad.

  5. Re:Europeans are poverty stuck, blind, & in de by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Riddle me this... the places in the US that pride themselves on "light regulations" also tend to have the highest incarceration rates. Whereas incarceration rates in Europe tend to be 1/3 to 1/4 of the US average with similar or lower violent crime rates. If the US puts so many people in prison (proportional to population), is it really so lightly regulated?

    The difference is that Europe is somewhat more economically regulated than the US, but those regulations generally affect larger corporations, not the average citizen. The US is home of Draconian social regulations that put people in prison, ruin their lives with arrest records, etc and so forth.

  6. revenue taxing - finally by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The key word is not "3%" nor is it "Internet giants" - the key word is revenue.

    This is what should've happened a decade ago. Taxing revenue instead of profits puts a clean shot right between the eyes of the majority of tax evasion schemes. It's a step long overdue.

    And before the typical neo-conservative trolls shout it down: Remember that everyone BUT corporations is taxed by revenue, not profits. My income tax is based on my income, not on what's left at the end of the month. And so is yours. If we can survive that type of taxation, so can multinational corporations.

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  7. Re:Build that wall, sir. by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you do not want that big companies pay taxes? Strange.

  8. Re:Fair, but... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nothing corrupt about noticing that a bunch of companies are all pulling the same tax-dodge and trying to do something about it.

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