Chelsea Manning Jailed For Refusing To Testify On WikiLeaks (apnews.com)

The Associated Press is reporting that Chelsea Manning, the transgender former Army private who was convicted of passing sensitive government documents to WikiLeaks, "has been sentenced to jail for refusing to testify to a grand jury investigating Wikileaks." From the report: U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton ordered Manning to jail for contempt of court on Friday after a brief hearing in which Manning confirmed she has no intention of testifying. She told the judge she "will accept whatever you bring upon me." Manning has said she objects to the secrecy of the grand jury process, and that she already revealed everything she knows at her court martial. The judge said she will remain jailed until she testifies or until the grand jury concludes its work. Manning's lawyers had asked that she be sent to home confinement instead of the jail, because of medical complications she faces. The judge said U.S. marshals can handle her medical care. Prosecutor Tracy McCormick said the jail and the marshals have assured the government that her medical needs can be met.

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Not so good

[Anonymous Coward]

Another political prisoner to be indefinitely held.

Re:Not so good

[Anonymous Coward]

Technically any German that sent classified documents to the Allies would be a Traitor. What's more important, loyalty or morals?

I don't really care for Manning but history will look fondly on this.

Re:Not so good

[Dasher42]

She is a Traitor to the country. This isn't because of any party loyalty. These were classified documents which she was working on as a member of the military. She chose to be in the military, and work in an area that had such access. This is different then Snowden who was a civilian consultant and wasn't given a way to report illegal actives. Or Assange who isn't an American Citizen.

Yes, and the Holocaust was both legal and mostly secret too. Your rhetoric discards all morality in favor of laws that corrupt people wrote to give their blood-soaked oil war cover. Every organized atrocity happens because someone carried out orders. You're hounding for people to just do as their told, no matter how blatantly evil it is.

The Iraq war murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians, displaced over a million, and created gulags where torture and rape were carried out in malice by American soldiers against those rounded up indiscriminately in an occupied country. The American people were broadly deceived about the cause of the Iraq War, as they have been for many previous wars waged on behalf of rich people's interest abroad, and our soldiers in particular were lied to about what they put their lives on the line for.

That is morally treasonous, and anyone who disobeyed an order from an official to restore basic human rights is a hero.

I will not hear of traitor from you sadistic authoritarian psychopaths. You're a traitor to humanity regardless of borders. Full stop.

Re:Not so good

[drinkypoo]

Not a she. Just saying.

Any time you see someone say "just saying" it's because they have nothing useful to say. Any time you find yourself say "just saying", just STFU.

Re:Not so good

[terrycarlino]

From a legal standpoint Hitler was duly elected and became the dictator of Germany via legal means. He then instituted an immoral but totally legal program of attempted genocide of a whole people.

Moral and legal are often not only the same thing but contrary.

However, as everyone from Emerson to King understood, being morally right does not provide legal protect from the consequences of your actions. So when you act on your morality be ready to accept the consequences. The concept that you should not have to accept the consequences of your actions just because you are doing the right thing is a particularly modern notion and unrealistic in the extreme.

Re:Not so good

[Archangel Michael]

Not a She. His XY Chromosomes says he's a male. That is how science classifies him.

Better? Or are you "just saying" that "just saying" something doesn't make it so. He can call himself a girl all s/he wants I don't give a shit about whatever gender they think they are, but saying something ("just sayin") doesn't make it so, even according to your own logic. S/He could call themselves the Queen of England for all I care, it doesn't make it so.

You're not entitled to your own facts. Objective Reality Hurts

Re: Not so good

[Joce640k]

While you're there you could comment on the US prison system.

I don't mean the sheer number of people in there, I mean the way that it's a place for institutionalized rape and that most Americans seem to be perfectly OK with that.

The two things (Abu Ghraib and federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison) seem related to me. The idea that there's whole classes/races of people who somehow "deserve" to be tortured, abused and shot at seems to be prevalent in the USA.

Re: Not so good

[walllaby]

I had hoped we were living in a society that could recognize the difference and be BETTER about how we treat those that buck the system for a greater cause. Silly me.

Wikileaks investigation shows true face of gvt

[SuperKendall]

I think it's very telling that both under a strident Democratic administration, and now a Republican one, that the investigation and hatred for Wikileaks is exactly the same. This is why I often maintain there is really very little difference between the two parties...

I do feel sorry for Manning though, sending her to jail and not even letting her be confined to home is bullshit. As Wikileaks has said on Twitter, this is simply an effort to coerce Manning to testify. I think it's sad they can get away with this.

Re:Wikileaks investigation shows true face of gvt

[blindseer]

If Manning wasn't transgendered then he'd still be in prison. The only reason he got out is because some people made enough noise about a woman trapped in a man's prison.

This is otherwise a quite simple case of a US Army private making a serious enough violation of the rules on handling secret documents that he could have got the death penalty. Now that "she" is out of prison there's discussion of "her medical complications". What would those "medical complications" be? That "she" has a penis?

Without those "medical complications" this would not be a story.

Re:Wikileaks investigation shows true face of gvt

[Uberbah]

You have to remember, there was a time before Wikileaks was just a partisan tool of Russia. It actually exposed real crimes instead of just trying to embarrass a certain party in order to install a puppet president.

There was a time when Democrats didn't fully insert their heads into their asses, and mocked Romney for saying Russia was a threat to the United States. In an election where Putin voiced a preference for the candidate not campaigning on raising tensions with his country. Mind blown?

It's a lot more than one point

[SuperKendall]

They diverge in some regards but it pretty much any way that matters, both sides look out for power in DC.

Re:conflicted

[Anonymous Coward]

piece of trash why? by providing evidence of the crimes against humanity and the ACTUAL COST OF WAR to all involved? ...if you're struggling with that, i think you're suffering from cognitive dissonance from being so thoroughly brainwashed.

Re: Oh look, another faggot in the limelight

[ArmoredDragon]

Genocide? Of whom? And the video Manning leaked was deliberately misrepresented by Assange to boost his own ego, as others in WikiLeaks have stated.

What's particularly bad about this is Manning was leaking information with the specific intent to cause harm to the Army, (possibly leading to the deaths of US soldiers) without being aware of its contents at all. Manning did this purely out of spite; it had nothing to do with whistleblowing. The reason he did this goes back to his early days in the Army. Read on:

https://huwieler.net/2017/01/1...

Nothing would make Manning more happy than to see his comrades die simply because he was deliberately an asshole in basic. As an Army veteran myself, I have zero sympathy for that stupid fuck.

Re:Nazi state 2.0

[TigerPlish]

he US is in the same category ad China, Russia or Nazi Germany.

You're delusional. I suggest you talk to people who lived under the nazi flag. Talk to those who first-hand fought the fights, flew the raids, occupied Germany at the end. I suggest you educate yourself on what WWII Germany was doing, how they did it, and the sheer scale of what was done. Every country has blood on its hand, but WWII Germany was something else. Russia, too. Stalin offed twice as many Russians -- his own people -- than what Hitler did to the Jews and others Not Like Him.

We're not running a machine of death where we feed body upon body by the thousands into the furnaces. No, we just knock over dictators to put another dictator in, one friendly to our interests.

All we have here is a few minor inconveniences. For fuck's sake we can still buy guns with relative ease. And drugs. And cars, bikes, etc etc. We're a fucking paradise, my commie-pinko friend, even when compared to places in the Carribean.

I will fight people like you in the voting booths, now and until I die. You cannot be allowed to win. You have your right to say it, but we have the right to vote your people into oblivion.

And who the fuck modded you +1 anyway? Your post smacks of arrogant ignorance!

Re:Great example of media bias.

[Ogive17]

Stop being so fucking insecure.

People are born different. One of my best childhood friends came out as being gay shortly after high school. Looking back, it's very obvious now. It wasn't a choice he made, it's just who he always was.

I'm not going to pretend to understand how anyone in those communities actually feel but I will respect them as individuals until given a reason not to. Their personal decisions have no impact on the lives of us, so why rant about it?

She is not a traitor to the country

[rsilvergun]

not even in the legal sense. Traitor has a very, very specific legal meaning. It means treason, and good luck proving that. It's got the highest bar for anything in our legal system (and for damn good reason).

In the metaphorical sense she's anything but a traitor. She did what she felt was right to expose horrible things being done in my name and yours. Things done to protect the interests of the ultra-wealthy and powerful at the expense of everyday working Americans.

I think the point is

[rsilvergun]

that this is how it starts. Go look up the early history of Stalin & Hitler. They didn't just start shooting. They were brutal, but clever. They made sure to appear legitimate until their hold on power was complete.

Re: It's called "integrity", aka doing the right t

[c6gunner]

He didn't expose any such thing, as you well know. Idiots love to pretend that he exposed war crimes, but nobody has given a single example of anything in the released documents which would qualify. I'm sure some dickhead will link to the helicopter video as an example, but that incident has already been discussed to death and I have no desire to rehash it yet again.