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Amazon's Charity 'AmazonSmile' Funds Anti-Vaccine Groups (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Guardian: Amazon appears to be helping fund anti-vaccine not-for-profit organizations through its charity arm, the AmazonSmile Foundation. The AmazonSmile fundraising program -- through which Amazon donates 0.5% of the purchase price of a shopper's Amazon transactions to an organization of their choice -- is promoted on the websites of four prominent anti-vaccine organizations... Numerous other anti-vaccine organizations are also listed by Amazon as eligible for the donations.

Amazon's donations are just the latest example of how US tech companies have -- wittingly or not -- helped to promote and finance the anti-vaccine movement... Not-for-profit organizations are key players in the anti-vaccine movement in the U.S.

132 comments

  1. Re: Block Amazon & here's how to do it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? I donate to organizations that try to put home meth labs out of business and also to educate people about dangerous and expensive supplements that they should not be taking without a physicians supervision. Also I noticed that many anti-vaxx websites question untested vaccines of questionable value. I rarely see any site that is against MMRs.

  2. 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We did not used to have to advertise vaccines, and embark on huge censorship campaigns about them. What happened?

    1. Re:40 years ago by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      40 years of generously giving these nutjobs a seat at the debate table under the "marketplace of ideas" school of thought, and then social media connecting these sparsely spread nutjobs together and giving them a megaphone.

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    2. Re:40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the thing. They haven't had a seat at the table for 40 years. They just seemed to appear out of nowhere a few years ago, where previously there was none of this. It is really very strange no matter how you look at it. Why the sudden vaccine war? It is so weird.

    3. Re:40 years ago by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Funny

      A few years ago? They've been getting far too much attention since at least the late '90s, although that's around the time that shameful fraud Andrew Wakefield kicked this trainwreck into high gear.

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    4. Re:40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We forgot to treat them as the terrorists with WMDs they are.

    5. Re:40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Remember when the flat earth nutters had a bubble in the late 80s? This feels a lot like that. It is definitely not what it appears to be on the surface. There is something else at play here.

      Maybe it is an effect of the opiates. 80's coke gave us flat earthers and 00's opiates gave us vaccine obsession?

      It's like something Philip K. Dick would write.

    6. Re:40 years ago by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The vaccines worked too well. There's very little living memory of just how bad these diseases were or the relative risk compared to potential vaccine complications.

    7. Re:40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were doctors better educated in the past? The majority fail organic chemistry today. Perhaps they are not equipped to properly source and administer vaccines effectively anymore? In order to educate patients, doctors themselves must first be capable of understanding the chemistry they are playing with.

      Maybe this weird propaganda war is just the result of declining standards in medical education?

    8. Re: 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo. Forced-vax Nazism is a new thing.

      It is suspicious in its sudden appearance, methods and virulence. It is absolutely certain that there are ulterior motives at play here.

      I suspect it is related to the moon hoax and flat earth gaslighting campaigns. Lack of quality education is the USA's greatest weakness. and someone is exploiting it, on a military scale.

    9. Re:40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems a rational question just turns many people rabid. I am sorry for this. It would be nice to have a rational discussion about what has changed in the medical, legal and political life of our country.

      But those that espouse an idea so violently without rational consideration on public forums will always drown out others. Maybe this is why you can't discuss this on Slashdot, but you could on Facebook where you can moderate your own space.

      But that seems to be under attack as well.

      It would be nice to present facts from all sides here, but I suspect one side will start call names and present fear mongering as a valid response.

    10. Re: 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doctors don't make the vaccines you idiot. All they do is stick a needle in you. Easy peasy.

    11. Re: 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vaccinations save lives. If Pro-Vaxers are a new group, it is only because Anti-Vaxers are now in the spotlight. As a society, we can't have stupid people dictating what we should do, like the Anti-Vax Nazis. You have the right to avoid vaccines, but you don't have the right to infect or kill your neighbor. The more regular, not stupid people noticed the 'stupid' the more they came together to fight against that stupid. Not vaccinating is much like Drinking and Driving. You do not have the right to drive while you are drunk. There are consequences and you know what those are. When you get up in everyone face with your Anti-Vax Nazism, expect that there will be a big response.

    12. Re:40 years ago by BranMan · · Score: 1

      My most pessimistic thought:

      Philip K. Dick was an optimist.

    13. Re: 40 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, Nazi

  3. Must be a 501(c)(3) charity by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To receive donations, the organization must be a 501(c)(3) public charitable organization. If these groups get approved by the IRS for this status, it would be hard for Amazon to stop it.

    1. Re:Must be a 501(c)(3) charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Bullshit, they could remove it from the options of their system on a whim. The 501 status has nothing to do with whether or not Amazon offers that option, it's at their own discretion entirely.

    2. Re: Must be a 501(c)(3) charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great question! My PCP literally offers MMRs and the flu shot. He doesn't even know how to order most of the other ones. Seems like they have a lot of commercials but they don't make the vaccines themselves easy to get. I guess they are not that important after all. It must be nice to get people to think some shot containing who the hell knows what is as important as an MMR. Brilliant marketing. Drug making? Not so brilliant.

    3. Re:Must be a 501(c)(3) charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Totally this.

      There is no law preventing amazon from discriminating between which so-called charities it supports. If they were too lazy to evaluate them individually, they could require a minimum rating on a charity evaluator like Charity Navigator.

      Bigger picture here is that non-profit status just means they don't pay dividends to share holders. That doesn't stop them from paying outrageous salaries to employees. There are a LOT of grifters hiding behind 501c3 status. Its basically a given that any anti-vax "charity" is a grift.

    4. Re: Must be a 501(c)(3) charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your PCP is either too stupid to be a physician or he's lying to you. All he has to do is order it from the pharmaceutical distribution company he gets the MMR and flue vaccines from. Their entire business model is in being able to handle all the details of ordering from the manufacturer on behalf of the PCP, so there is zero chance they don't know how to get vaccines.

    5. Re:Must be a 501(c)(3) charity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, they could be Nazis just like Zuckerberg.

    6. Re:Must be a 501(c)(3) charity by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Humble Bundle and others "donate" to anti-vaxxer just because their customers are anti-vaxxers? I know a lot of places started letting you donate a part of your price to any 501c3 of your choice. My guess is the company gets the write off instead of you.

      I don't support the anti-vax crowd since an inherited allergy forces me to depend on the herd immunity for the 'R' in MMR. (So get your vaccinations! Fortunately my kids are good, but I'm counting on you!) Still, if I understand right, I suspect the right answer here is to blame Amazon's customers and not Amazon for the contributions. That or blame Amazon for taking contibutions for anything. I don't want a large company to choose who gets to be a charity and who doesn't. It's like Walmart when they were deciding who got to sell music.

  4. Sets up Anti-Vax funding + Set up Insurance = Win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's the new moneymaking machine

  5. Not clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we talking about pro-plagues organizations?

  6. Re: Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have 25 named accounts that all praise your work in an ironic manner. You quote several of them left and right, and I find it amazingly funny. Everyone laughs at you, fool.

  7. This is what happens by bferrell · · Score: 1

    When:

    a.) a 501c3 is issued without vetting
                  AND
    b.) a 5013c certification is simply accepted without looking into it who/what is behind it.

    If the system allows it, it NOT the users fault. Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you should. Go fast. Break things.

    1. Re:This is what happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the users' faults, no, it's the company that is supposed to vet which charities their system allows such payments to go towards. The users don't have access to that info, Amazon sure as hell does though. They could stop it instantly.

      Tell the charity to stop donating to that cause or risk their exclusion, changing their behavior one way or another. This wasn't a problem until it became public PR issue, because anti-vax is such a controversial issue they have to do something.

      Doing nothing once known = complicit. (See : Trump treason)

    2. Re:This is what happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you think the government and/or near-monopolies should be in the business of deciding which organizations are charitable, based on their opinions on policy matters?

      Wanna bet you'd be the first to cry if your favored "charity" was blocked for such?

    3. Re:This is what happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think the government and/or near-monopolies should be in the business of deciding which organizations are charitable, based on their opinions on policy matters?

      Wanna bet you'd be the first to cry if your favored "charity" was blocked for such?

      Unfortunately for the charity in question, they are donating to a "cause" that brings disease and suffering to American people. Antivax kills and maims people, causes outbreaks and illness, breaks down the herd immunity wall that we've been building for generations. These are facts, not opinions.

  8. Re:Hate Groups by bferrell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe because anti-vaxer stupidity has triggered extremely dangerous outbreaks of disease?

    Just a thought.

  9. Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? Grow up moron. I don't have AIDS + I do not do what you project you do @ truckstops.

    APK

    P.S.=> Seriously - grow up.... apk

    1. Re: Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, you do smoke the pole, slob the knob, gobble the nuts

    2. Re: Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have proof of that? Let's see it. Libel is against laws. If you claim that and can't prove it you are committing an offense.

    3. Re: Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a lawyer? On the internet?

    4. Re: Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't need to be a lawyer. You libeled APK. You were asked for proof of your obvious lies about him that you fail to produce proof of.

    5. Re: Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I have this proof: https://m.slashdot.org/profile/5761578/comments

    6. Re: Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You link doesn't work. I've never used m.slashdot.org. It ping -a resolves as 2idle.slashdot.org (216.105.38.15) demanding script. Rest of /. doesn't. I won't fall for your trap libeler.

    7. Re: Impersonating & LIBELING me now too? apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Homo APK posts all the time about how he wants to ride some dudes' ass, fuck some dudes up the ass, and have violent butt sex with dudes.He's even posted that if he wasn't immune to AIDS he would be dead from it so he is a carrier.

  10. Well, customer stupidity is good for business by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just one instance where this becomes glaringly obvious. Personally, I would not mind so much that a lot of people are complete morons. But the anti-vaxxers do harm others and that is not acceptable.

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    1. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smokers harm others. Drivers harm others. Fast food workers harm others. Bank loan officers harm others. Republicanism harms others. Your pet peeve doesn't really matter in the big scheme of things that cause harm, sorry.

    2. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by penix1 · · Score: 0

      But the anti-vaxxers do harm others and that is not acceptable.

      You see this argument a lot. What it leaves is the question of why you don't trust the vaccine you got? If someone has a suppressed immune system for whatever reason, then it really doesn't matter if they get vaccinated since it won't work. They should take special care to not put themselves in situations where they can catch something or protect themselves in other ways (such as masks and gloves). So again, either you trust the vaccine you get or you don't. Presenting that argument puts the onus on everyone else for the stupidity of a few.

      On the other side, if someone gets a disease that a common vaccine exists for, then the treatment costs should be solely on the one who caught it. Insurance shouldn't have to pay for it.

      I for one trust the vaccines I got so this is a non-issue for me.

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    3. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in the military during the first roll-out of the Anthrax "vaccine" which had some pretty awful side-effects in a significant % of those applied. People died. There was a combination of investigation and coverup, ultimately it was modified and the mandate was discontinued IIRC. I didn't have side effects myself. I did however find out I was allergic to morphine which was thought to be "safe" for 99.9% also.

      Grey-hair often claims he knows everything but continually we find him discounting the fact that tens of thousands of people have very adverse effects and justifiable rationales for being distrusting of livestock-modeled medical care programs.

      He says they don't exist. This is his fantasy, let's let him enjoy it. Just don't mistake him as a source for granular, specific information on this topic - or anything else he's more passionate than factual about, which runs the gamut.

    4. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by gtall · · Score: 2

      I see you never heard of herd immunity. By the way, babies before 1 yr do not get the measles vaccine. Better hope one your sprogs doesn't get measles before their first birthday.

    5. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the anti-vaxxers do harm others and that is not acceptable.

      You see this argument a lot. What it leaves is the question of why you don't trust the vaccine you got?

      First, the measles vaccine is known to "only" be 97% effective. Second, there are children too young to be vaccinated and third, some people cannot be vaccinated because of medical issues. Also, herd immunity for Measles is at 93...95%, so there is not a lot of margin. Also, who said they would harm me? I find it completely unacceptable that some people have the arrogance to endanger others without any good arguments on their side. I think we need these restrictions on non-vaccinated (by choice) people as well, for example no access to public places like schools, restaurants, shops, etc.

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    6. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm totally in favor of this. With the new REAL ID, we can make no-go lists for people and assign them to specific neighborhoods. Mandatory arm bands for those unvaccinated will help the rest of us keep out of harm's way.

      TL;DR. This is a solved problem, we have the technology to track these people and corral them. Why are we waiting ?

    7. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhh. You're not allowed to say that. Profit has nothing to do with this.

      "Open Source" medicine could not possibly help.

      Educating doctors in chemistry so that they can resist sub-par profit engineered health products would not help at all either. Nope. Not one bit.

    8. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why aren't you shouting about the unvaccinated (if not infected) third world invasion, if you are so worried about "herd immunity"? Maybe you should address a real problem instead of championing the exclusions and unpersoning of those who disagree with you.

    9. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I was being sarcastic. And I may have confused threads, my apologies if so.

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    10. Re: Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moooooooooooo!

    11. Re:Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no IRS approved 501(c)(3) charity for smoking, maybe anti-smoking? There is no approved charity that promotes driving, except maybe ones that promote safe driving? There are no approved charities promoting the consumption of fast food. Your analogies hold no water.

    12. Re: Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got a citation for that? Cuz the googling I did said only 1 person died and that was due to being allergic to eggs. Being that eggs are used to make the vaccines.

    13. Re: Well, customer stupidity is good for business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The repubtard fallacy I call it.

      Blame illegals/blacks/poor.

      Not in any particular order.

      It couldn't be the rich man raping the world and keeping the profits for themselves, nah let's blame the people who have the least amount of skin in the game.

      You are a fucking idiot. Quack!

  11. You replied to an impostor... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I have a loon (I suspect it's /. username Khyber) who stalks &/or impersonates me on /. - I address it w/ https://slashdot.org/comments.... & he must have the "devil in him" w/ too much time on his hands he isn't using constructively in order to harass/stalk/libel me https://slashdot.org/comments.... etc. everyday on this website. He's obsessed with me acting it out like the psychotic loon he clearly is.

    * Sorry to have seen you waste your time in posting & @ least you are doing something constructive (allegedly) imo.

    APK

    P.S.=> In any event, there ya go... apk

  12. And if they block "your choice"... by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... it kind of defeats the "charity of your choice" nature of the program. "Your choice of the charities we approve of" isn't what they advertise.

    1. Re:And if they block "your choice"... by JaneTheIgnorantSlut · · Score: 1

      Many employers offer to deduct charitable contributions from your pay automatically, but they generally offer only a select list of charities they will handle.

    2. Re:And if they block "your choice"... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I choose to have Amazon donate to the charitable wing of Islamic State (which kills fewer Americans than anti-vaxxers), then they should?

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    3. Re:And if they block "your choice"... by WoodstockJeff · · Score: 3, Informative

      Islamic State isn't a legal charity in the US, so it wouldn't qualify on that basis.

    4. Re:And if they block "your choice"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JaneTheIgnorantSlut confided:

      Many employers offer to deduct charitable contributions from your pay automatically, but they generally offer only a select list of charities they will handle.

      This is absolutely the case in the USA. (I can't speak knowlegeably about whether it's also true for companies operating in other countries.)

      FWIW - it's also true that not-for-profit aggregators, such as The United Way, which distribute net donations (i.e. - what's left after they deduct their own expenses) only pass money through to a select set of other non-profits (for instance, TUN does not, as a matter of policy, contribute to Planned Parenthood, because conservative Catholics and evangelical Protestants would refuse to donate to their pledge drives if they did). And I can tell you from experience, enormous pressure is exerted upon employees of Fortune 500 corporations to contribute to TUN's fundraising campaigns in order to ensure "100% participation" by those employees, for purposes of corporate optics.

      In other words, "To make the company look good to potential customers and investors."

      When I worked for the IT department of a major U.S. bank during the early 1990's, I was made to feel like an outcast, because I refused, on principle, to contribute to their United Way drive, specifically because TUN discriminated against Planned Parenthood - and because I understood just how much of each donated dollar TUN's management raked off the top before passing what was left through to "non-controversial" end recipient organizations ...

      (Posting as AC only so as not to undo prior upmods in this thread.)

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    5. Re:And if they block "your choice"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since IS is designated a terrorist organization illegal to fund, you can fuck off with your false dilemma.

    6. Re: And if they block "your choice"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your novel sucks and you are a cock sucking bootlicker.

    7. Re:And if they block "your choice"... by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      Wow! ISIS got a 501c3? Who's watch was that under?

  13. Re: Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone is laughing at a crazy person in you who wastes his life stalking, impersonating and libeling APK actually. You are deluded and clearly clinically insane.

  14. Re: Block Amazon & here's how to do it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What the hell are you talking about? Virtually all of the anti-vax movement is against MMR.

    The entire movement started with a paper written by an unscrupulous doctor who was paid by lawyers for find something the could sue MMR vaccine manufacturers for and he basically tortured kids with repeated rectal examinations and other procedures. Then he claimed the kids' sudden onset of unusual behavior was caused by the vaccine (because there's no way kids would act differently after being forcibly anal probed by a doctor, after all).

  15. Re:You're asking for censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobody asked what a moron would do or what a moron wants in terms of grammar or numbers, you don't matter to the discussion nor the reality. Sorry, FTFY.

    Anti-vax is an unpopular political alignment that Amazon does not wish to be publicly associated or seen supporting. Once they realize they are supporting that, they have a decision to make one way or another.

    Doing nothing = complicit with the accusation that they support it. That has costs.

    Basic shit, sorry you're so confused about numbers and grammar but that's not related.

  16. Re:You're asking for censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    found the anti-vaxer

    skip the simpering attempt to appear neutral, just come out and say it

    when you can't even own your beliefs from an AC account, you basically confirm the stereotype that anti-vaxers are either morons or grifters

  17. Re: Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shall we be real here? Using hosts files as a security measure is not sustainable. In fact, anyone who uses hosts files for something beyond simple DNS testing is deluded and insane. Hosts files can only emulate A records. MX? Lol. PTR? Lol indeed. And maintaining a hosts file is truly an idiotic endeavor.

    Give it up, moron, nobody except the most retarded people in existence actually use your dumbass VB script to update their hosts file.

  18. Re: Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be real and tell you that you really got shot down by real security pros and sites quoted by APK https://slashdot.org/comments....

  19. Republican faggots = the real disease. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Legal immigrants from 2nd world countries (like the ones Trump prefers the taste of penises from) come with these diseases all the time. You're just a racist Republican faggot-nazi, die of AIDS or rope-around-neck poisoning, either one.

    1. Re:Republican faggots = the real disease. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pointing out that they are illegals always brings out this kneejerk response from brainwashed neo-leftists such as this. Those poor underprivileged, underclass, migrant labor illegals. Some day you will realize that none of them care about your concerns, and you traded the living wage and a stable society for feel good slogans, cheap labor, and corporate profits.

    2. Re:Republican faggots = the real disease. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They only work illegally in the USA because someone wants them to work in the USA illegally. The real answer is the Vaccinate and to stop US companies from hiring illegals in the first place. It's a win-win. Your vaccinated against the diseases from illegals and there is more work for proper Americans.

  20. Re: Still IMPERSONATING me JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good luck figuring out which of those security pros are my sock puppet accounts :)

  21. Let me take a shot by Humbubba · · Score: 0, Troll
    Vaccines.

    Yeah, from the cousins of the people who put fluoride in America's drinking water, turning brains into jelly, just so they could mold 'em any way they wanted to - thanks to this mental floss. The International socialist.

    Vaccinations are suspected to be covertly supported by a coven who secretively call themselves "Bernies". They are Socialist Blue collarless, jobless, Volvo driving welfare cheats bent on destroying the new world order, and herald into power a left wing International Sanderneesta Government.

    If destroying America ain't bad enough, now they're promoting herd stupidity with vaccines that probably do more damage than good.

    Despite the fraudulent news mess, some president's own Dr. Harry Freakin Boringstein found that vaccination is based on shoddy science and overdosing Bernies. Just think of the children! Vaccinations put them at risk of developing a predilection for the bad guy buzz.

    They want to change our flag to pure driven slush blue. They don't care what the Red, White and Blue really stands for. Red: for the rednecks who rule; White: well, I can't say - it's really that politically incorrect these days; and Blue:...BLUE? Shit not blue again! It should be green like money. Oh god, that'd make us Hungary. Which reminds me, I gotta go get something to eat.

    1. Re:Let me take a shot by gtall · · Score: 2

      You think that spiel is a troll? Now go back and try to do it right.

    2. Re:Let me take a shot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      brains into jelly indeed. Someone's been having toothpaste for three meals a day.

  22. Re: Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nutters. Simply nutters.

  23. Do you hear yourself??? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Bullshit, they could remove it from the options of their system on a whim.

    Holy shit are you even listening to your own words.

    Yes they could remove anything "on a whim". So maybe someone who works there decides to remove pro-gay charities "on a whim". Or a charity giving aid to refugees...

    Once you start doing things "on a whim" it ends badly for everyone.

    What is you damage that you even care if these groups get money? Don't like it, contribute or form a pro-vaccination group and get out the word! Don't start blocking out everything you personally find wrong or crazy for anyone else to view.

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    1. Re: Do you hear yourself??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The damage is that kids can die or be horribly hurt when *other* peopleâ(TM)s kids arenâ(TM)t vaccinated. This isnâ(TM)t a speech issue, itâ(TM)s a public health issue.

    2. Re:Do you hear yourself??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So maybe someone who works there decides to remove pro-gay charities "on a whim". Or a charity giving aid to refugees...]

      Yeah they could, if they had no values and could withstand the pressure of people with values.

      You fascists are always sucking at the teat of false equivalence because your only values are fucking over the weak but you can't say that out loud without giving away the game so you hide behind process arguments instead.

    3. Re: Do you hear yourself??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

  24. Re: Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some random white Amerifat tard came into my office. I fired that fat fcuk right there. Poor bastard cried and asked what he should do next. I told him to keep on keeping on, get on his knees and keep sucking that FoxNews dcik

  25. Re:Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Willful and reckless endangerment of minors in a mass fashion, attempting to incite biological warfare with weapons of mass destruction (specifically, the use of measles, mumps, and rubella to target populations of minors).

    Hang 'em high.

  26. Then choose a different charity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So look through the list of other charities and there's tons of good ones...a bunch of schools often use Smile to help fundraise.
    If you don't know a good charity I know I can recommend a small school northern MN - Vermilion Country School. It's a small school in a rural area trying to provide different experiences for students who don't get a lot of options. Donation funding goes towards school supplies and field trips.

  27. Kendall you are a moron, not a mind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, they could remove the anti-vax charity from their system or demand the charity not give to that cause, on a whim. What part of this is hard for you, retard? They run their own show, they can do whatever they want with it.

    If the bad PR from supporting anti-vax outweighs the good PR from the "let me be free to be stupid on YOUR system" types, like yourself, they will absolutely without a second thought get rid of you and your ridiculous faggot shit.

    (You're a moron, not a mind.)

    "What is you damage" - Learn English, idiot. Then come blather your ridiculous Colorado incel faggot shit at me like anyone cares. (Nope!)

    Bye now, nazi propagandist faggot. You don't get a say, sorry.

  28. Re:Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These diseases were dead in the US. They didn't reappear because of anti-vax. Why did they reappear? Can you be intellectually honest?

    Hint: does it have to do with the fact we have millions of vaccinated people pouring into our country with no checks of any kind?

  29. Re:Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have been designated as non-persons due to the threat they pose to the open borders/anti white narrative.

  30. Re:So? by negRo_slim · · Score: 0

    We live in an age of de-platforming. I encourage it all because it will just bring about legislative changes we need to protect us in our new digital town squares. People should have the right to object to vaccines and spread their message, others should have the right to object to that message and spread their information. Anything else is a pathetic and craven way out of dealing with an issue while giving corporations ever more control of our society and it's discourse.

    --
    On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
  31. If it's not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a placebo or experimental mind control drugs, it must be thallium. Oh wait,...*thump*.

  32. Re: Block Amazon & here's how to do it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your group wants to take kids out of control of parents and forcibly vaccinate. That's the perfect recipe for losing hundreds of years of community education level in one day.

  33. Re: Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should exterminate all shitty sand n1ggers like you, that alone will eradicate 90% of all pathogens originating from your home shit holes where ever you crawled out from, most likely by begging to accept you into a developed country by sucking some stupid n1gger cock at an embassy. Go back to your home cave, you useless piece of shit n1gger, help your stupid ugly as fuck cousins there.

  34. Re:You're asking for censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "AC account"? AC posting happens _without_ account, dear know-it-all.

    And no, I'm vaccinated and happy for it, and I'd certainly not advocate not getting vaccinated for sound numerical reasons like that "tipping point" stuff that requires at least a certain amount of the population to be vaccinated for the thing to be really effective.

    But that doesn't change that apparently several people here are advocating censorship for their anti-anti-vax-ideology. I say ideology, because all I see is adherence to an idea ("vax good!!1! anti-vax bad!!1!11!!1") with nothing but ad-hominem attacks for defenses. That is, you are as bad as the anti-vaxxers in your "defense".

    So what you require from amazon is to pick a side and show it by censorship in favour of your cause. This is a bad thing for pro-vaxxers, as you discredit the cause in the eyes of the anti-vaxxers. Calling them all names without a clue of who you're really dealing with certainly doesn't help. You're part of the problem, too.

    That doesn't make me neutral, or an anti-vaxxer. Your assumption of same with your "you're either with us, or against us" rhetoric, certainly doesn't make you friends for your cause.

    But it's telling that you are unable to bring anything to the discussion but ad-hominem attacks, posted as AC, complaining about posts written as AC that happen to disagree with the letter of your dogma. You're stuck, and again, that makes you part of the problem. You will not convince a single anti-vaxxer this way.

  35. Re: Block Amazon & here's how to do it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your group wants to take kids out of control of parents and forcibly vaccinate.

    It's ok with me if you don't vaccinate. But if your kid contracts, say, the measles, then you pay all the bills. And if your kid infects someone else then you pay those bills too. Stop being an idiot and vaccinate your children. It's not just a personal choice - if affects society as a whole.

  36. GOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They fund almost whatever charity you want. The vaccine industry is a big money and power grab. If they work, you shouldn't care if I and my family are not vaccinated; you should be covered, right? -- and the government shouldn't be telling me what kind of medical care I have to have. There are other ways to prevent disease, such as improving your immune system with diet and supplements, which Big Pharma doesn't want you to do because they will lose money, and the government doesn't want you to do because they will have less control over you (and probably vice versa). People who are immunized can still carry the disease and, in some cases, the immunizations themselves pass it on to others. And most of the people who are catching the diseases are already immunized against a different strain of the virus or bacteria, because you can't possibly immunize for everything, and often even against the commonest strains, because they only offer temporary protection. Meanwhile, the onslaught of vaccinations is causing an epidemic of autoimmune disorders that we had barely seen before. Immunize yourselves, if you want, but quit attempting to force this flawed health solution on everyone.

    1. Re: GOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you people wipe yourselves out. Don't get vaccinated, let your baby die from a disease that's been taken care of since forever.

      Hopefully this should be a solved problem. Don't get vaccinated > get sick > die.

      It's legit Darwinism in action.

  37. Re:Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The inflow of unchecked, undocumented illegal aliens is what triggered these outbreaks. Stop being a goose stepping fool and see where this is only going to get worse and get worse by the design of Big Government.

  38. Re:Who gives a fuck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, wrong troll for this site. Most here are already Koch suckers.

  39. Re: You're asking for censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most antivax people I know, and I know a lot... oppose them for three reasons: many vaccines are only derived from abortion stem cell lines, a strong distrust of aluminum adjuvants and the perceived link to autism, asperger spectrum, and autoimmune disorders, and lastly and more recently provax militancy fueling a distrust of government and big pharma and left-wing SJWs that make up the biggotry against antivaxers.

  40. Anti Vax Mindset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one here seems to know anti Vax motivations. Here are three:

    1) Many vaccines are only derived from abortion stem cell lines
    2) strong distrust of aluminum adjuvants and the perceived link to autism, asperger spectrum, and autoimmune disorders

    3) more recently, provax militancy fueling a distrust of government and big pharma and left-wing SJWs that make up the biggotry against antivaxers.

    Provax people come off folks in the same vein as climate change nuts like OAC. Someone interview her stupid ass in ten years when the world hasn't ended... again.

    Antivaxers are also made up of homeopathic oriented liberals who think the Vax are unnatural and poisonous to the body.

    1. Re: Anti Vax Mindset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. SOME vaccines are derived from stem Stells. Just because they are stem cells doesn't make them aborted fetus stem cells. No vaccines are being made in America that use aborted fetus stem cells. 0.

      http://www.drwalt.com/blog/2008/07/09/vaccine-myth-13-vaccinations-are-made-from-aborted-babies/

      2. Ahhh I see where you are going with this. another repubtard fallacy. Blame the liberals. Like the liberals are the ones who own the pharmaceutical industry. They aren't, it's co owned by the Rs and the Ds. So both are to blame. If anyone is to blame at all for your made up problem.

      3. ?????

      Another idiot being debunked by me the AC. Move along. Your troll is weak.

  41. Re:You're asking for censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > "AC account"? AC posting happens _without_ account, dear know-it-all.

    lol. if you aren't an anti-vaxxer you are still dumb as fuck. the fact that you find minutae like grammer and whatever the fuck you are complaining about there as meaningful is beyond pathetic. enjoy the spelling mistakes I left for you, have fun figuring out which ones are on purpose and which ones are because I'm so inferor to you!!!

  42. Re: You're asking for censorship... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > left-wing SJWs

    Ahh... yet another winner of life's inferiority contest mewling about big ole meanies.
    Letting your kids die of the measles to own the libtards. Muhhh-guuuh!!!!

  43. Re: Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is complete bull. If vaccines actually worked the children and adults would not be affected by the diseases. But as we are seeing they are.

    Pharmacist being selling fake vaccines for decades.

  44. Re: Block Amazon & here's how to do it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We never asked you to pay anything asshole, not that you would have anyway.

  45. Re: Hate Groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people vaccinated ARENT affected, but crops of outbreaks are popping up in places where the anti vaccination movement is the strongest. Explain that. The people who arent getting vaxed are at risk of getting the disease and spreading it to other non vaxxed kids.

  46. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another conservacuck fallacy. 2 in the same thread. Amazing.

  47. Re:Who gives a fuck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soros is a commie. Netanyahu and his butt buddy Trump are Nazis. They will be removed from office, tried for treason, and hang like the original nazis did.

  48. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, I am happy to let free speech in, as long as those that excercise their rights in a dangerous way are held responsible. For example if anti vaxxers convinced a family to not vaccinate their children, if the children die or suffer any disability for it, they should get sued, and possible criminal charges.

    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

  49. Re: Block Amazon & here's how to do it... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what? You make no sense. And if you're anti-vaccination then you're the asshole to society.

  50. Fuck every antivaxxer in the face with a bulldozer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repeat prescription as required

  51. Anyone read the CDC's own website? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The CDC provides a list of side effects that occur with each vaccine. Interestingly enough they have ratios for all of the side effects except for severe adverse effects, which they call "very rare". They don't give a ratio, instead they give a 1 in 1 million doses answer. The reason they do this is if you actually calculate the number of doses children receive of a vaccine, this number actually translates into 1:13,513 doses. That doesn't translate as "very rare" to me, in fact vaccines by the CDC's own admission cause (look on their website also "very rare" reactions) "deafness, long-term brain damage, long-term seizures, coma, lowered consciousness, etc. etc.). That's all on their website. What's not on their website however is actual trials with controlled study groups using a placebo vs. an actual vaccine. There’s never been a controlled study to a placebo (beyond one tiny Gardasil 9 study with 400 people in it). That's why CDC uses weasel words like "rare" "very rare" to describe reactions. They truly don't have actual research to back up their claims that vaccines are safe and effective (despite saying it in the news over and over and over and over again).

  52. Re: So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what I'm confused about. I use AmazonSmile for all of my purchases and have the ASPCA set as my charity of choice. AmazonSmile allows customers to choose from a large number of charities, but I guess some busybody assholes just can't stand it when people have opinions and values that differ from their own.

    For the record, I think anti-vaxxers are stupid, but I wouldn't dare try to tell them they can't live their lives the way they want. I have nothing to fear from them, I'm vaccinated.