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Genetically Engineered Seafood Coming To a Restaurant Near You (indianapublicmedia.org)
"The first genetically-modified animal for human consumption could be arriving in grocery stores across the United States as early as next year." Long-time Slashdot reader tomhath tipped us off to Indiana Public Media's report on AquaBounty Technologies:
AquaBounty will produce a GMO salmon that CEO Ron Stotish says will grow faster than freshwater-raised fish. "It does so because we've given it the ability, using the same biological process that regulates growth in the unmodified salmon, to grow about twice as fast reaching market rate about half the time," Stotish says. The technology has been around since the 1990s, but it took until 2015 to receive approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, due to concerns about people eating genetically-modified animals. The genetic makeup of the biotech fish takes a growth-hormone regulatory gene from the Pacific Chinook salmon with a promoter gene from an ocean pout and puts it into the genome of an Atlantic salmon. The result causes for the growth hormone to remain on leading to faster growth rate than non GMO salmon.
The modified fish is able to grow to market size using 25 percent less feed than the traditional salmon, increasing cost efficiency... Stotish says his operation causes less harm than traditional fish farming. "We're not using coastal waterways, we're not putting antibiotics and medications into the water," Stotish says. "Our fish are in a controlled environment, we don't need antibiotics, we don't have to treat for sea lice."
The company says that every year Americans consume about 350,000 tons of Atlantic salmon -- more than 95% of which has to be imported.
The modified fish is able to grow to market size using 25 percent less feed than the traditional salmon, increasing cost efficiency... Stotish says his operation causes less harm than traditional fish farming. "We're not using coastal waterways, we're not putting antibiotics and medications into the water," Stotish says. "Our fish are in a controlled environment, we don't need antibiotics, we don't have to treat for sea lice."
The company says that every year Americans consume about 350,000 tons of Atlantic salmon -- more than 95% of which has to be imported.
Let's see why don't we alter the natural progression of growth and see what happens. I guess we will be the guinea pigs for this experiment.
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There's nothling like ordering fresh wild samon, If you know seafood you can tell the difference. Salmon should be a dark salmon/orange color. farm raised
and gmo has lighter colored meat.
Currently civilization world wide know nothing about nutrition and can't extend lifespan or avoid illness, can even live healthy lives(see USA)
Yet the vanity exists to believe we can create or engineer our own food.
Cool.
Seriously, tuna and salmon are the 2 most eaten fish in world. Tuna should also be farmed, so fast growth is useful.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
You get no say in this either.
"Massachusetts-based AquaBounty Technologies has developed a biotech salmon that it plans to grow near no major body of water, in a production facility in the small town of Albany, Indiana. The company producing the breed of high-tech fish hopes to change the aquaculture industry."
Not seafood.
I reserve the write to mangle english.
All the fools speaking against GMO have no idea where the real issues are. The objection to gmo in plants has been about increased use of pesticide, namely Roundup, which IS a concern. But the actual GMO is not the real issue other than Gene transfer to weeds, which is happening. But corn made drought-resistant is useful. Or plants made to resist certain pests by transferring genes from other edible plants(iow, we already eat that protein) ARE useful. Now, we are looking at seafood that is being destroyed in the oceans and now we have the ability to farm these economically and stop depleting our salmon. Ideally, we would do the same for tuna, and soon. This would also allow us to stop the massive commercial fishing going on by other nations, who are depleting these fish.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Imagine tuna stack vertically in cages like chickens all in farm in the basement of the amazon warehouse.
PrimeSashimi delivered by drone. No parasites to worry about.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
as long as it is clearly labeled so that I can make an informed choice.
BS - I saw it in TOPPS grocery stores LONG ago, like 3++ yrs. now noted as so (1st w/ no warning for YEARS & NOW it has one that "this is 'gm'" etc.) on 'crab meat' (not really crab NOR is it natural fish it was made from but rather gm).
* Needless to say I stopped eating it (not that I did a lot anyhow).
ANYTHING for the "holy dollar" from corporations (which I do understand, as a businessman myself BUT You have to have ethics & "do it right" or get burnt - I've SEEN how it all works in courts of law when a GIANT pharmaceutical nearby gets PERIODICALLY VIOLATED for not disposing of KETONE wastes etc. - leaking it into a creek near the plant hidden under bushes with "NO TRESPASS" sign threats near it - 1 summer DECADES ago while in school I worked for a construction & clean up firm - ALL theatre & the HOLY DOLLAR!
* WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD FOLKS!
APK
P.S.=> We were there taking a break near a creek next to the plant. A security guard threatened to have us arrested for it!
Giant dude who I was LUCKY used to play poker w/ my Pop in the 1950's, recalled my Dad's name (they were pals) & I asked him "Are you THAT Pete?" He said yea otherwise we'd be arrested BUT he told us WHY (let us go too):
They get violated, go to a LOCAL 'industrial cleanup/environmental science firm' I've done codework for no less after that - they write up what SHOULD be done but it NEVER GETS DONE PROPERLY! It costs MORE to dispose of properly than the FINES cost is why.
EVER - they just pay the fine until the city needs more CA$H & violates them AGAIN ad-infinitum - so 'so much for CLEAN EARTH' percy pureheart sentiments - enjoy your water folks)... apk
TO GMO!
Practically all food are GMO.
Please keep singing that biotech industry mantra, but only call me back when the billionaires that invest in GMO for the masses start eating it.
Good thing I'm allergic to seafood anyway
A lot of things can go wrong here. No, its not something that you can say with high confidence is safe. Likely what happened was that someone with big bags of cash paid off someone in the agencies to approve this thing. Money talks, and big business will play fast and loose.
It will end up in the environment and it would probably overproliferate and have some devastating effect on the food web.
The growth hormones could have disasterous effects on humans including promoting cancers. All around a foolish and dangerous expirement.
We hear this argument from GMO shills but its a fallacious argument. Most foods are not GMO. GMO specifically refers to direct intentional manipulation of DNA by inserting or removing DNA. We've been doing selective breeding for a long time, this is NOT GMO, and the process cannot produce the same effects and dangers of GMO. Also selective breeding isnt necessarily safe, you can end up with toxic effects. The probabilities with GMOs are much higher because it allows changes which would never occur due to a sexual process and allows it to happen with a severity and rapidity that would not occur with breeding. Selective breeding imposes certain limits and constraints on things because genes can only transfer within the same species and the mutations happen at a lower rate.
That you refer to selective breeding breeding as GMO destroys your credibility and your just trying to mislead people.
Genetic modification goes back thousands of years...
You got caught lying 12-25 times repeatedly stating "Blood plasma is sterile" and then later that "The Chinese Govt does not directly censor Chinese citizens" and other absolute bullshit head-in-ass retard-level lies. You're not trustworthy.
You are not a source of information that anyone should or even could trust, knowing your dishonest history. Sorry. That's what accountability means when you get caught lying repeatedly, over and over, even after directly corrected.
You're a liar, Bill.
Bill got caught lying 12-25 times repeatedly stating "Blood plasma is sterile" and then later that "The Chinese Govt does not directly censor Chinese citizens" and other absolute bullshit head-in-ass retard-level lies. You're not trustworthy.
You are not a source of information that anyone should or even could trust, knowing your dishonest history. Sorry. That's what accountability means when you get caught lying repeatedly, over and over, even after directly corrected.
You're a liar, Bill.
I'm guessing no one asked for GMO insulin and GMO cheese 30-40 years ago either, but dropping society's dependence on chopped-up cow pancreases and calf stomachs allowed us to significantly ramp up production and lower costs.
"Genetic modification goes back thousands of years..."
And the genetic modification is still ongoing. The human race did not evolve and then stop evolving when we reached are current state. Over thousands of years the environmental conditions, nutritional options, breeding patterns, and the introduction of artificial constructs such as drugs can cause genetic mutations. If the human race hasn't killed itself and is still around 200,000 years from now today's humans will look like Neanderthals to our future descendants.
Yeah? Please show us an example of purposeful lateral gene transfer from "thousands of years" ago. Best if you can cite a real scientific paper about it.
I'll be waiting.
Would there be the possibility that some of it may be kindly purveyed upon us in the soon-to-be 51st state?
--
J. Rees-Mogg c/o The Houses Of Parliament, London.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Bill got caught lying 12-25 times repeatedly stating "Blood plasma is sterile" and then later that "The Chinese Govt does not directly censor Chinese citizens" and other absolute bullshit head-in-ass retard-level lies. Not trustworthy.
You are not a source of information that anyone should or even could trust, knowing your dishonest history. Sorry. That's what accountability means when you get caught lying repeatedly, over and over, even after directly corrected.
You're a liar, Billshitter.
allowed us to significantly ramp up production and lower costs
GMO rennet is used on a wide scale only in the US and almost nowhere else. Besides, let's not compare a product like a single peptide hormone, separated from the organisms that produce it and made in a closely controlled environment on one hand, and a full-blown organism grown in the wild and sold as food on the other.
The two have nothing in common.
Bill got caught lying 12-25 times repeatedly stating "Blood plasma is sterile" and then later that "The Chinese Govt does not directly censor Chinese citizens" and other absolute bullshit head-in-ass retard-level lies. You're not trustworthy.
You are not a source of information that anyone should or even could trust, knowing your dishonest history. Sorry. That's what accountability means when you get caught lying repeatedly, over and over, even after directly corrected.
You're a liar, Bill.
We've been doing selective breeding for a long time, this is NOT GMO, and the process cannot produce the same effects and dangers of GMO.
Well that's a lie.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I'd "that's a lie" why do we need genetic engineering then?
... If you're not one of those salmon.
That's just asking for trouble. Predicted over 18 years ago, too!
APK, take you meds. - by Anonymous WHITE MOUSE Coward on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:13PM (#58249210)
See subject & it's "take your meds" imbecile - ones you project YOU are dependent on, not I, lol... fool.
* Know what I really like? I'll tell you: Showing the planet your kind are "white mice" intellect levels, lol - that's what, hahahaha!
APK
P.S.=> I do respect that "your kind" (do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" ZEROS, whimps) aren't gifted w/ @ least NORMAL intelligence - I can accept it - you? CAN'T (Lol, sucks to be you)... apk
Lateral gene transfer is hardly the only means of genetic modification, but triticale was created in the 19th century, without the aid of gene splicing.
Look, I get it. "GMO" is used now almost exclusively to refer to "frankenfoods" made from direct genetic manipulations, but only the techniques have changed. The goals are largely the same as they've always been: heartier varieties, more nutritious, less need for intervention against weeds and pests.
So selective breeding is not 'genetically modifying' an organism? What is it doing then?
Like with GMO or hormone poisoned beef, I wonder how long it takes the US will try to force the EU (or asian countries) to allow to sell it there.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
I wouldn't be so harsh on people for using the term "GMO" incorrectly, as the term itself is unspecific, and is often broadened to include anything that has had its genes altered[1], even by nature.[2] [3]
It would be so much simpler if people just referred to the specific technologies being utilized, as they all suffer from risk/reward issues, and there aren't clear ethical borders. An incomplete list of the technologies used include:
* Nature's own technique of random mutations with a natural selection filter on top
* Artificial selection by humans, which in ~10,000 years gave us massive, delicious mutants like the modern wheat and corn crops, and docile cows, pigs and dogs
* Cloning started around the 1800s in order to perpetuate popular varieties of e.g. apples, oranges and bananas, whereby a branch of the tree is cut off and re-planted
* Forced hybridization has been around the 1900s, where two distinctly inbred parental lineages are perpetually bred to produce sterile offspring (e.g. seedless watermelons, or mules for use by the British Empire as amazing pack animals)
* Radiation-induced mutation breeding (mutagenesis) has been around since around the 1930s, which forcefully increases the mutation rate and splits chromosomes in order to allow breeding with other species -- a technique the EU even calls GMO (see [1])
-- a lot of western staple crops are based on, or hybridized from, crops produced from this technique
* Chemically-induced mutation breeding is a more modern version of mutagenesis that's doesn't cause as much DNA damage -- still a GMO in the EU though (see [1])
* Transgenic modifications, where specific genes can be takes from unrelated species, was invented in the 1970s
* Cisgenic modifications, where the specific genes are taken from a species where it would have been possible to acquire it naturally through conventional breeding,[4] have been a classification of GMOs since around the year 2000
So GMO debates could be untangled massively if people just spoke about the specific technologies. For instance, I suspect based on your comment that you would be against transgenic GMOs and mutagenesis, but for cisgenic GMOs... while being on the fence about forced hybridization?
FYI, I worked in the blood industry for over a decade, there are certainly irradiated blood plasma products, which are sterile.
This both extends shelf life and prevents graft-vs-host disease due to donor lymphocytes in the plasma.
It really depends on the medical environment and how much time they can waste on tests vs spending money on products that are universally usable.
Where are you getting the info that GMO rennet is mostly used by the US? It's widely used in Denmark and Sweden as well. I would almost assume the same for any western country where the demand for hard cheese outpaces the demand for veal.
As for the comparison made, the parent I responded to specifically said "GMO anything," which I saw as fair game. But I think you're right in that topic which the article is about, this has been an unnecessary tangent.
LOL, weaseling out of our claims so fast?
Come on, don't be like that. Triticale has nothing to do with modern genetic engineering.
Show us an example of genetically engineered products from "thousand years" ago, or admit you're a little, filthy GMO liar.
I still can't get my head around them making their chocolate taste like sick, on purpose.
It's widely used in Denmark and Sweden as well
The largest manufacturers, as well as the places which make the best cheese, like Germany, Holland, Switzerland, Italy, France, Spain, Greece don't use GMO ingredients, and it is quite easy to taste the difference.
Of the top 20 producers in the world, only the US, which is midway on the list, uses GMO ingredients in "cheese" production on a large scale. But then, US mostly produces "processed cheese" for inclusion in Mickey-Dee sandwiches, which ain't exactly the upper end of the market. In fact, I've never-ever seen US cheese outside of the US, except maybe the processed slices in the low-end supermarkets in the poorer countries in Asia-Pacific.
The reason why is really simple. Shitty taste == GMO & the US. Good taste == No GMO.
Now fuck off, shill.
One study estimated that GMO rennet (a.k.a. FDC/FPC) could account for up to 80% of the global market share of rennet.
As for taste, there shouldn't be a difference between the chymosin enzyme produced in calf stomachs and the chymosin enzyme produced by microbes. As described in a comparison of Gouda and Cheddar cheese making, there was no major sensory difference between bovine rennet and bovine FPC. Though camel-based FPC interestingly led to reduced bitterness.
What do you propose is the mechanism for your claim that non-GMO cheese taste better? It seems to me that you're engaging in some motivated reasoning.
It's not that simple, even just selective breeding can accidentally produce or spread very dangerous organisms such as Heracleum sosnowskyi. The main dangers of any modified organism (regardless of its GMO status) is toxicity and damage to the ecosystems from its rapid spreading. GMO organisms are very carefully tested/studied before entering market, this can even sometimes take decades. Even after entering market if any issue is reported, the product will be recalled. Most people who are scared of GMO usually have very limited knowledge about genetics and the process of food digestion. All normal proteins are fully broken down into amino acids in the digestive system, so the original protein doesn't even matter (except for very few exceptions). You can even drink very toxic snake venom and not die for same reason, of course, if there are no wounds in the mouth or in the stomach.
Tuna is already farmed idiot.
That ain't English Ivan.
Selective breeding (as selected by the natural environment) produced humanity, and everything else. You can make anything with enough of it. The only drawback is it might take millions of years to get you there.
Direct genetic modification is just way cheaper and surer than playing the reproduction lottery a few tens of thousands of times and hoping you get what you want without getting other random persistent mutations as well. Less time, less resources, better result. No, it's not perfect, but it's a straight improvement over traditional genetic engineering.
Where is my insightful mod?
Oh unlike windbourne I don't have any sockpuppets.
We have enough natural and farmed salmon. Why not genetically modify a 'problem' fish like silver carp . It's a problem fish here in North America where it also has low culinary value (even though it has high culinary value in China). Why not change silver carp to address some of its shortcomings?
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Oh, CaffeinatedBacon(Crimson tsunami).
You are the biggest knob-ends that exists on slashdot.
Proteins are what are indirectly genetically modified by GE.
Why do you Cheena whankers run around here pretending that you know what is going on?
You really are a knobs-end. Xi has pounded your head too many times against the wall.