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Fukushima's Radiation Is Contained By a Mile-Long Wall of Ice (cnet.com)
CNET reports on the massive ice wall created by an "intricate network of small metal pipes, capped off by six-foot-high metal scaffolding."
It turns out, coolant is running through the pipes, freezing the soil below and creating an impermeable ice wall that's nearly 100 feet deep and a mile long, encircling the reactors. It's like a smaller-scale subterranean version of the Wall in Game of Thrones, but instead of keeping out White Walkers and wights, this line of defense keeps in a far more realistic danger: radioactive contaminants from melted-down reactors that threaten to spill into the water by Fukushima Daiichi....
The structure, which cost roughly $300 million, paid for by public funds, serves as critical protection, defending the Fukushima area from one of the most radioactive hotspots in the world. While Tokyo Electric Power Co., also known as Tepco, struggles to find a way to remove radioactive material from the facility -- a process the government estimates could take more than four decades -- the more immediate concern is what to do with the contaminated water leaking out from the facility. One of the solutions has been to put up (down?) this underground ice wall, which prevents much of the surrounding groundwater from getting in.
The structure, which cost roughly $300 million, paid for by public funds, serves as critical protection, defending the Fukushima area from one of the most radioactive hotspots in the world. While Tokyo Electric Power Co., also known as Tepco, struggles to find a way to remove radioactive material from the facility -- a process the government estimates could take more than four decades -- the more immediate concern is what to do with the contaminated water leaking out from the facility. One of the solutions has been to put up (down?) this underground ice wall, which prevents much of the surrounding groundwater from getting in.
....nuclear energy!
Quoth the quote:
> The structure, which cost roughly $300 million, paid for by public funds, serves as critical protection, defending the Fukushima area from one of the most radioactive hotspots in the world.
The next time I hear someone here yammering about taxes, I'll slap him in the face. With a dirty rug.
Yay private. I'm sure that none of Tepco's investors went broke. They just shed the shell when it became uncomfy.
What's with the socialism remarks all over, do you even know what that word means? Obviously it's just some boogieman word for you, but morons, learn the meaning and use it right.
I'm sorry the word distresses you.
Socialism is weaksauce. I want communism.
You would to if you knew what it was.
Nuclear power = Socialism
Nope, the profits are still privatized.
That makes it as capitalistic as the telecom industry or the banks.
Japan realizes that walls work. If only we could the liberals in the US to abandon their emotional agenda and reach the same logical conclusion.
I'd surely settle for you Republican trolls learning the difference between the two, learning which to fear, and why. It's just ironic to me that the same ones push nuclear power, but cry about socialism. It's the same coin.
Just like their family's farm subsidies, eh Nunez?
I see where you're going with that, and you'd be right... If nuclear power were a profitable endeavor anymore. The owner class already got paid on that deal. It's dry.
At 300 million dollars per mile, with the radiation cows already out of the barn, all the drugs coming in container ships and trucks at ports of entry, and illegals coming in at airports more than anything... a wall? You'd have to be retarded.
And probably a traitor too.
Nope. The wall does exactly nothing. It's basically a part of Kabuki theater that is the whole Fukushima cleanup operation. The reactor is still leaking, but the amount of released radiation is now below the dangerous levels - the hottest isotopes have decayed by now.
The Night King will break free some day, and then we'll see spiders big as hounds!
So cool they were able to distort reality and make magic happen... ~bullshit~ ehm ~bullshit~, oh excuse me I sneezed.
Amazing speed
Someone tell the flat earthers.
1. Not a wall.
2. Not pure ice.
3. Not above ground.
4. ???
5. Profit.
Why does all "journalism" suck ass now? I would have read this with out an strained reference to popular culture.
PS. Like the Astartes it stands between the Chaos and the Empire of Man. But instead of flames and fire it has pipes and ice.
The Nazis were socialists. Hitler was a socialist. Democrats are socialists. Any questions?
It's the meaning of "fascism" you should have worried about. That's when your government turns into a corporate entity, legally. Seig heil the homeland!
Right... because leaking water acts the same as intelligent life. I am sure all those backyard fences are keeping birds and squirrels out too.
Social democracy (what most people call socialism) is the one to fear.
Capitalism can't be reformed so needs to be abolished.
In Japan they can build an advanced cryogenic containment system for a reactor disaster for $300 million.
California needed $1100 million to patch a leaky spillway at a dam. It would take a few trillion dollars for California to contain a damaged reactor.
Game of Thrones sure is marketed well...
so much of the info about Fukushima is clearly tainted by the preferences of those writing.
I've now read, within 2 days, articles about the current cleanup efforts that
a) claim they mostly don't work, the area is still dangerous and it will take decades to complete everything.
b) claim they are a demonstration of 1st world technology keeping things under control, people returning to the area, much of the radiation being cleaned up and the Japanese making impressive progress with robots in the reactor cores as well as completing a total overhaul of all their nuclear reactors to incorporate the lessons learnt from Fukushima.
So what is true? Probably some of both. But which?
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
Thank you for the inept metaphor
It's been eight years since this disaster occurred.
The official report of The Fukushima Nuclear Accident Independent Investigation Commission contains a wealth of information for anyone interested in the facts regarding this disaster.
The report is scathing and contains lines such as a multitude of errors and willful negligence that left the Fukushima plant unprepared for the events of March 11 and describes the mindset that supported the negligence behind this disaster.
It is very difficult to believe that the company that got the world into this situation is the one that will get us out of it. Chernobyl's New Safe Confinement took the combined resources of the European Union to fund and was designed by the British.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Aha!! I told you fools the nuclear reactor was flat!
https://www.prageru.com/video/capitalism-vs-socialism/
You're welcome.
They do a pretty good job at keeping out stray dogs.
“It's like a smaller-scale subterranean version of the Wall in Game of Thrones”
It's for razor-sharp technical analysis such as the above that keeps me coming back to slashdot. What's the half-life of the radioactive material until it's rendered safe and will the coolant system last that long?
Nuclear power plants operated by private companies != socialism
However
Highways, roads, public schools, fire departments, rescue services and most other things society depends upon = socialism
I hope you get the chance to live in the neverending hellscape of having to pay private, for-profit corporations for any and all of services that you depend upon, but I feel sorry for anyone who has to suffer through that just so you can learn how suicidal your viewpoint is.
I wonder if Trump has considered using a wall of ice to keep out the Mexicans. Water is a lot cheaper than concrete/steel so you could build it really tall.
No sig today...
https://www.prageru.com/video/capitalism-vs-socialism/
You're welcome.
Excellent video.. Wish I had mod points for you...
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Wow!
The Nazis were fascists (fact). Hitler was a fascist in the same vain as Mussolini (fact). Democrats are not fascists (fact). Republicans and their conservatism are closer to Fascism than Democrats will ever be (fact).
The only question here is how did you make it out of school and graduate.
Sure, Hitler was a socialist. Hence his bragging about personally murdering the leader of the German socialists. Donâ(TM)t get me wrong, Hitler was certainly happy to exploit socialists to come to power, but he wasnâ(TM)t a socialist, as he very clearly explained himself on multiple occasions after he didnâ(TM)t need to exploit them anymore.
Which is a bit weird really, when you think about it. My dog when I was younger accidentally closed herself in the bathroom once, so she ripped off the doorframe to get out. Another time, she got closed in the barn. It had a big sliding door made with thick planks. She ripped her way through it to get out. Most back yard fences are a lot flimsier than that. So, basically they donâ(TM)t seem to an effective physical barrier. Admittedly, my dog was an Akita/German Sheppard mix. So, a fairly big, powerful dog. Of course, if you want to keep dogs out, thatâ(TM)s the kind of dog you want to keep out. So, what that means is that stray dogs arenâ(TM)t coming into your yard because they donâ(TM)t choose to.
Only remote, isolated south-american and african tribes are real communists. In those tribes there is no concept of private property. All goods, crops and objects belongs to the community. I love the concept, but it only works for 50 or less individuals in a group.
Socialism is more akin to a family circle, there are the dictators (The parents usually), and the children are the mass that need to be educated and guided in a enforced way to make them better citizens. But again it only works for a very small group of individuals.
There is no good government system to deal with 7 billion people. Capitalism would be perfect if it were based on pure meritocracy and not manipulated to maintain the status quo of riches and powerful ones.
Sorry to tell you, but the humanity experience failed a century ago.
https://www.prageru.com/video/capitalism-vs-socialism/
You're welcome.
The arguments in that video are incoherent:
Debate is a form of harassment. Do not question my truth.
Good analogy since like the US border the radiation at fukushima poses little threat and the "clean up" is mostly political theater that has claimed more lives than the radiation ever will.
I wish you got an education, guess we're both SOL
"So the health-related consequences of the Fukushima reactor meltdown are basically nil. " - No, you're a lying faggot. Your link doesn't say there's no health-related concerns, you lying faggot.
Maybe this is just referring to the fact that people fear both for no reason because they don't know what it is or how it works.
Actually Fukushima's can be detected around the world but is insignificant. Most of it no longer exists.
The short answer: the "ice wall" is helping to reduce water flow, but isn't perfect, and if you want to spin that in a positive way, you can say "look, it's working!", and if you want to go the other way you can say "it's not working!"-- because anything short of perfection is obviously useless.
A better question would be "how well is it working?" but even better would be "how well does it need to work?".
I'm inclined to agree with our anti-nuclear friends that this is all a bunch of theater to reassure people (much like that that other "wall" we've been hearing so much about). It would be nice if they were just reassured by declining levels of leakage, and little evidence of health impacts, but that kind of message gets lost in the weeds of statistical chatter and "activist" shouting.
Fukushimas Ice Wall Not Working:
Martin Fackler at the NYT commented:
From the World Health Organization faq:
"Bio-concentration" is essentially not happening: Insignificant Environmental and Public Health Risk from Fukushima in North America 8 Years On
And the fact is that nuclear is a boondoggle.
http://feedthedatamonster.com/...
http://www.pollutionissues.com...
https://www.quora.com/Is-dilut...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Until a fucking big nuke mutant dragon comes about, burns through the fucking barrier with his atomic breath and then rampages through Tokyo.
Walls work. Stupid fucking Democrats.
Which one to fear? You mean as far as "fearing" I should care between one totalitarian system which will throw me into a gulag for not following the party rule and another which will do the same?
Socialism, a collectivist ideology in which the "state" owns the means of production and distributes work and profit as it sees fit.
Communism, same as Socialism except one is not able to own anything. The debates between socialists and communists are like the medieval arguments between Franciscans and Dominicans: "are we, as followers of Christ allowed to own an extra pair of shoes"
Both Socialists and Communists despise individualism and individual liberty. It makes their arguments in favor of "democracy" laughable.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Well, keep in mind significance is relative. You're just stating how you feel.
For example any ocean contamination of any sort is very significant to oceanographers, ichtyologists and fishery managers (and for more than one reason!).
And the opinions of nuke shills are insignificant when contrasted with the expressed views of the world's population, most of which understands that terrestrial fission plants are an unconscionable military vulnerability as well as economically unsupportable without direct government sponsorship.
It comes from the big takeover of the Republican party starting with Gingrich, who started labeling all Democrats as McGovern democrats, then soon all Democrats were labeled as liberals, and pretty much created the modern day negative campaign style of win-by-any-means.
I use to say everyone should fund their own hospital, police dep. and fire dept. There's always cake to eat!
Hitler was a fascist, which is neither left nor right in outlook, but is a strict authoritarian movement with state control of both the economy and social life, usually a dictatorship and oppression of the opposition. Generally it's considered far right, however I think it doesn't really fit into the traditional left-right model because fascists didn't really express a coherent political ideology beyond an us-versus-them style of thinking. The modern guys on the right are only labeling it socialist as a distraction and part of the "please repeat these talking points endlessly" style of political debate.
Actually I'm stating how science feels. That includes oceanographers, ichtyologists and fishery managers, as well as nuclear health scientists.
And Nuclear typically comes in cheaper than all other forms of energy even without adding the much lower external costs due to it being one of the cleanest and safest forms of energy.
âoeS solidarity comrade.
Hitler was a fascist, which is neither left nor right in outlook...
Eh, once you start using various dichotomies for social issues, it all gets confusing as it applies in different ways, especially over time. Typically political right is considered authoritarian, left egalitarian. Economic right is considered capitalist and left socialist. Religious is some sort of theology and the left secular. Even those are going to change due to the context and subject of any particular discusion. That's the problem when you come up with an either/or terms to describe everything. Of course, the real meaning of right is siding with the king and left is against the king.
Well, in general most voters, not just in America, simplify everything to a simplistic left-vs-right because it's too complicated otherwise. They want to know if the candidate is "the guy I like" or "the guy I hate", and then are the others similar to my guy or not. It's sooo much easier to just believe in US versus THEM, it saves wear and tear on the limp brain cells. Those slightly more advanced will just keep around a list of talking points, used as ammunition against anyone seen who might not be in the proper mindest, sort of like bible verses, but are not prepared to back up those talking points or give a cogent argument or debate. In fact, at least in America, it's no longer necessary to even have a political debate because people are voluntarily staying within a bubble and the talking points are about preaching to the converted. Anyone with a decent political argument tends to be shunned for not being ideologically pure enough.
Hitler was a fascist, which is neither left nor right in outlook, but is a strict authoritarian movement with state control of both the economy and social life, usually a dictatorship and oppression of the opposition. Generally it's considered far right,
Fascism is considered far right because so far it's been used more or less exclusively to promote far right ideals. However, authoritarianism vs. anarchism is a separate axis from liberal vs. conservative. The third reich was definitely conservative-authoritarian.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Nuclear typically comes in cheaper than all other forms of energy even without adding the much lower external costs due to it being one of the cleanest and safest forms of energy.
What? This is literally the opposite of reality. Here in the real world, nuclear power projects are being terminated left and right specifically because they are too expensive to continue.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Poor public opinion due to ignorance and capital costs, not operating costs. Wind and solar are a path of least resistance, but not necessarily cheaper. Nuclear is always cheaper than fossil fuels and usually a bit better than wind and solar at the moment. the only thing that beats it is natural gas because the initial cost is so low and scalable. Nuclear like wind and solar gets more efficient everyday and attracts huge investments.