Boeing To Make Key Change in 737 MAX Cockpit Software (wsj.com)
Boeing is making an extensive change to the flight-control system in the 737 MAX aircraft implicated in October's Lion Air crash in Indonesia, going beyond what many industry officials familiar with the discussions had anticipated. From a report: The change was in the works before a second plane of the same make crashed in Africa last weekend -- and comes as world-wide unease about the 737 MAX's safety grows. The change would mark a major shift from how Boeing originally designed a stall-prevention feature in the aircraft, which were first delivered to airlines in 2017. U.S. aviation regulators are expected to mandate the change by the end of April.
Boeing publicly released details about the planned 737 MAX software update late Monday [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source]. A company spokesman confirmed the update would use multiple sensors, or data feeds, in MAX's stall-prevention system -- instead of the current reliance on a single sensor. The change was prompted by preliminary results from the Indonesian crash investigation indicating that erroneous data from a single sensor, which measures the angle of the plane's nose, caused the stall-prevention system to misfire. Then, a series of events put the aircraft into a dangerous dive.
Boeing publicly released details about the planned 737 MAX software update late Monday [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source]. A company spokesman confirmed the update would use multiple sensors, or data feeds, in MAX's stall-prevention system -- instead of the current reliance on a single sensor. The change was prompted by preliminary results from the Indonesian crash investigation indicating that erroneous data from a single sensor, which measures the angle of the plane's nose, caused the stall-prevention system to misfire. Then, a series of events put the aircraft into a dangerous dive.
Why the hell wasn't this the case before?
Aren't flight control systems supposed to be triple-redundant anyway? Everything I've read about them says they are; three systems and if there is incorrect data it uses the two that agree.
if ( goingToCrash ) {
dontCrash();
}
That would have been prevented by the current system.
It's funny how they point to aviation as nearly infallible when they talk about self-driving cars.
Well, it's a little less than one failure in four million flight hours, that's a pretty amazing safety record. If Tesla self-driving was one failure in four million driving hours, I'd call that very near infallible, compared to human drivers, anyway.
But when they do fail, it's spectacular, and makes news.
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It's funny how they point to aviation as nearly infallible when they talk about self-driving cars.
Self-driving cars don't have to be infallible. They just have to be safer than the average person, which is a really low bar.
million dollar aircraft brought down by a cheap sensor failure
Well that's better than the aircraft accident I helped to investigate... The pilot died because of a power switch position he specifically set in order to turn off the system that prevented his aircraft from departing it's "flying" envelope by applying back pressure to his control inputs. When he went to "break" during some ACM training looking over his shoulder at his opponent, he applied too much rudder input, the aircraft snap rolled as it stopped flying and started to tumble, his head was caught between the ejection seat and the canopy and he died of a broken neck before his aircraft hit the water.
That guy died because he wanted the competitive edge and specifically tried to cheat by putting the aircraft in a forbidden configuration....
I'd rather die from a sensor failure than by some stupid mistake I made to get an unfair advantge because I want to win some competition..
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Since the alternative source link in the summary appears to link to an article about stock prices, here's some alternative alternative links that actually contain more relevant information:
- Boeing press release
- Gizmodo
- Washington Post
No, you're trying to grossly oversimplify the problem, and it's causing you to say things that are silly.
Having worked as a vendor to the avionics group at Boeing, and having had a student who wrote test code for the 777, I can tell you that the testing / verification process for their software is mind boggling. They've had decades to fine tune their processes for creating reliable computer software. Believe me, you sound idiotic second guessing them, and it doesn't sound like you're a pilot either...
The one thing I will agree with you about is that the system should trust the crew. However, I must say that some of my airline captain buddies would strongly disagree with that. Just look at Air France Flight 447 as a perfect example of why trusting the crew can go wrong. However, I still lean towards this... if you don't trust the crew then it's like the old joke about the perfect crew:
The ideal flight crew is a pilot and a dog.
The pilot is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to bite the pilot if he touches anything.
Seriously, if the automation is so complicated and opaque that the crew can't tell what it's doing and why... that's a problem. The move towards more automation seems to be to make up for an inexperienced crew... I think more training / sim time is the right solution, not more automation. Still, both Airbus and Boeing seem to think more automation is the right way to go.
I'll be interested to hear what they learn from the FDR...
A description of alternate law as it applies to aviation can be found here although this focuses on Airbus.
Why is there an "insightful" mod and why isn't it "-1"? If I wanted insight, I wouldn't be reading
I can tell you that the testing / verification process for their software is mind boggling. They've had decades to fine tune their processes for creating reliable computer software.
Haven't we had ample evidence by now that it's all too easy to make computer software that very reliably and very accurately does exactly the wrong thing?
Ezekiel 23:20
It's a button in the aft toilet under a locked flap with "beware of the leopard" written on it.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."