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The Hottest Chat App for Teens is Google Docs (theatlantic.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: As more and more laptops find their way into middle and high schools, educators are using Google Docs to do collaborative exercises and help students follow along with the lesson plan. The students, however, are using it to organize running conversations behind teachers' backs. Teens told me they use Google Docs to chat just about any time they need to put their phone away but know their friends will be on computers. Sometimes they'll use the service's live chat function, which doesn't open by default, and which many teachers don't even know exists. Or, they'll take advantage of the fact that Google allows users to highlight certain phrases or words, then comment on them via a pop-up box on the right side: They'll clone a teacher's shared Google document, then chat in the comments, so it appears to the causal viewer that they're just making notes on the lesson plan. If a teacher approaches to take a closer look, they can click the "Resolve" button and the entire thread will disappear.

If the project isn't a collaborative one, kids will just create a shared document where they'll chat line by line in what looks like a paragraph of text. "People will just make a new page and talk in different fonts so you know who is who," Skyler said. "I had one really good friend and we were in different homerooms. So, we'd email each other a doc and would just chat about whatever was going on." At the end of class, they just delete a doc or resolve all the comments. Rarely does anyone save them the way previous generations may have stored away paper notes from friends.

96 comments

  1. Here's why: by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's no lack of equity in the tools that any of the teachers, students, or indeed, any of us have.

    Teachers don't have a mainframe and students dumb terminals.

    No, instead we have CaptainDork's Corollary: "For every motherfucker out there with a computer, there's another motherfucker out there with a computer."

    In an essentially P2P architecture, it's a level playing field.

    The students are just a lot more imaginative, creative, and innovative, and connected than the teachers.

    Because the student population is larger than the teacher headcount, simple math predicts that the students are more capable.

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    1. Re:Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      >The students are just a lot more imaginative, creative, and innovative, and connected than the teachers.

      Last year, my wife and I had to go to the principal's office to discuss how our son (grade 4) hacked the iPads to install games for all the kids to play. As it turns out, he showed his friends how to disable the WiFi so that they could play the Chrome dinosaur game. The fact that no one at the school could even understand what he'd done was pretty telling.

    2. Re:Here's why: by aaronb1138 · · Score: 2

      That should lead straight to a conversation that either their IT people were idiots or your son is a high functioning 1337 hacker genius. Either way, nothing for them to punish him over.

    3. Re:Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've gone and made the assumption that that particular school can afford any IT staff

    4. Re:Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to look up "Chrome dinosaur game"... That hardly qualifies as a game.

    5. Re:Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or that their son is a 1337 hacker genius.

      There's this thing we have now called the 'internet' where you can quickly look up information using a thing called 'google.'

      My nephew did nearly exactly what the OP is taking about and believe me, he is no genius. Just a normal kid with access to the internet and google where real 1337 hacker geniuses post simple guides to doing all their 1337 hacker st00f.

    6. Re:Here's why: by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      with access to the internet and google where real 1337 hacker geniuses post simple guides to doing all their 1337 hacker st00f.

      This is why I have said for years that anyone can learn the basics of using a Linux system. Heck it's not that hard to even do a basic compile even if you're not a programmer. I'm not an IT professional or programmer and I learned how to use Linux from books and the internet when I got my first Linux system.

    7. Re: Here's why: by kenh · · Score: 1

      It's a fair assumption, they obviously can afford iPads.

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      Ken
    8. Re:Here's why: by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      My fiancé is a 6th grade math teacher. She has to constantly keep something up letting her know who is connected because students will just disconnect and play games so she can't see if they are doing anything else.

      The funnest one though is when one kid was caught looking at anime porn. By another student. And called out in front of the entire class!

      Of course our whole education is so screwed up now to make everyone feel special and smart and like they can't fail. Numerous times you can take a test/homework.... you can refuse to take a test/homework but still get to take it... and heck... even if you fail after multiple tries you're likely to just get curved up so you don't fail.

      Or at her first school there was the big problem every white teacher had..... Kid breaks something, steals something, skips class, breaks rules, fails for not doing homework/test/project or scores low? Instant complaint of : "(Name of white teacher) was racist to me!"

  2. Ah, youth by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    For adults, pornography is a big driver of technology. For kids, it's about finding all kinds of new ways to communicate with and about your peers.

    1. Re:Ah, youth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The pornography thing is a myth. Just another urban legend people love to regurgitate.

    2. Re:Ah, youth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO! Porn is GOOD! Porn is LOVE! Porn is LIFE! There is no illicit agenda behind the "trend" for incest porn, and the Chosen tribe is most certainly not involved in any of this in any way!!!

  3. Not just laptops by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Chromebooks are popular in schools now. And by popular, I mean with the school districts.

    Chromebooks are cheap. The district can negotiate with multiple hardware manufacturers for volume discounts. A Chromebook is easily replaced if lost, stolen or eaten. All of the student's "cloud based" course work and assignments are instantly on the new Chromebook as soon as the student logs in. The Chromebooks are easily reset -- even remotely, for the next incoming school year. With Cloud Print, students -- or faculty -- can print to various printers in the school to which they are given access. Access to everything on a Chromebook is centrally controlled once the district joins new Chromebook hardware to their Google account.

    Now given the above, THAT is the biggest reason why I see Google Docs as a chat application. If everyone had Windows or Macs they could use other potential chat applications.

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    1. Re:Not just laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Chromebooks are popular in schools now. And by popular, I mean with the school districts.

      As the parent of a smart kids that has some struggles with ADD and executive function, I love the "cloud based" approach to assignments. He is getting better at remembering to bring things home, but having the ability to go online to see what his homework is and do things without paper really helps him.

    2. Re:Not just laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel the opposite. My kid has to listen to spoken words, check online in 10 places, on paper, and on a chalkboard to get whatever assignments or test studying calendars... and the parents have to check txt, email, and online. The teachers just randomly go with one or the other as far as I am concerned, and it's getting very old. Give me ONE place to look, and only one place.

    3. Re:Not just laptops by found404 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's the same reason Windows Notepad is my fav "chat" application... when I log into someone else's Windows machine with Teamviewer. It isn't about students being clever (as some posts suggests), it's about finding the easiest solution to a problem. We work with what we have.

      > THAT is the biggest reason why I see Google Docs as a chat application.

    4. Re:Not just laptops by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      Or Sheets

      You can have each column as each person.
      Each row as a new topic, and it supports images.

      And google struggles to make GSuite Chat any good, hahah.

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    5. Re:Not just laptops by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

      Not only are chromebooks nice cheap disposable laptops, but Google apps for education provides a nice enterprise management console for dealing with them that allows for app deployment based on inherited permissions under an OU style hierarchy. Pretty handy when every department seems to have their own suite of special programs, and just dropping the device object into its folder takes care of it.

      Then there's browser extensions like Securely that integrate into chrome that serves as web content filtering and keyword detection. Students sexting during class? Yeah, some admin is going to get an email about that.

  4. Ban Google Docs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the children!

  5. Re:Nope. by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    Individual 1 will be very disappointed.

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    I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
  6. Hah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I collaborated on a test with other students by joining a local irc server.

    1. Re:Hah by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the kids couldn't just use mibbit in a Chrome tab to log into an IRC server?

  7. Re: Libtard Ejumacation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember when treating strangers with respect and loving your neighbor were conservative principles? Liberals had to hijack all of these basic foundations of human decency because the alt-right are morally bankrupt and unable to cease their own antisocial behavior let alone advise the rest of us on right and proper behavior.

  8. Gwave by bohmt · · Score: 4, Funny

    So they reinvented Google Wave

  9. Why would you save it? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rarely does anyone save them the way previous generations may have stored away paper notes from friends.

    Kids aren't stupid. They see people almost being denied a supreme court seat because they once had a beer while in school.

    Under such circumstances, would the natural inclination not be to go totally dark? To leave no permanent record of your existence to critique, so that at any time you could conform to the current popular GroupThink?? No wonder SnapChat is also so popular.

    The only mistake they are making I would say, is in trusting Google to actually delete something... but Google has the tools they need - for the moment.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Why would you save it? by Mark+of+the+North · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They see people almost being denied a supreme court seat because they once had a beer while in school.

      Whoa! That must be some super thick syrupy Kool-Aid you are drinking there.

      The reason justice Kavanaugh was taken to task, was not that he had a beer, it is that he lied about his conduct, which included heavy drinking and mistreatment of female students.

      The recent admissions scandal story makes a nice addendum to justice Kavanaugh's appointment.

    2. Re:Why would you save it? by lgw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think this is the biggest generational flip between the Millennials and the Digital Natives: their attitude towards privacy. Here's hoping that the kids also grow up not caring at all about social media outrage and snowflake sensitivity.

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    3. Re:Why would you save it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      their attitude towards privacy.

      Attitude perhaps. Intelligence certainly not. Apparently they are too dumb to know that deleted google docs aren't really deleted, and that all of their keystrokes have already been stored and analyzed by the Google AI.

      Don't worry though, if you are a rich fat ugly rapist white guy who likes beer and has friends named Squee you will have no problems.

    4. Re: Why would you save it? by kenh · · Score: 2

      Kids using Google Docs are simply doing what their parents did when they were in school - pass a page around and everyone took a turn adding to the sheet.

      What's old is new again.

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      Ken
    5. Re: Why would you save it? by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Not quite. That note passing had to be careful and never dominated the lesson. What is happening now is excluding the lesson and oh look, we can see exactly why students with computer do worse than students without computers and why chomebooks were poorly designed from a teching perspective. They were designed to invade schools, dominate student thinking and be easy for schools to manage and get students used to a lack of privacy, get used to opening up to big brother or sister and what ever the gender, GOOGLE, to lock in schools. How good or bad at teaching and learning meh, who fucking cares, more profit, more control, more dominance.

      This stuff should be properly designed to be open sourced and freely accessed and reviewed by the broadest audience possible. The goal should be better teaching and learning and not more data for Google to mine and more profits for Google.

      Collective learning better for girls and worse for boys but meh who cares and collective learning extremely bad for STEM subjects, you either know and can apply that stuff or you do not but again meh who cares and the students are getting worse at it.

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    6. Re: Why would you save it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You go put the lotion on too rtb, I'm done with Kendoll, you're going to take my STEM now.

    7. Re:Why would you save it? by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I stand by my reasoning that Kavanaugh is not fit for the supreme (or any) court, not for anything he did prior to 2018, but because of his horrible conduct and batshit insane "defence" that he displayed in front of a senate committee.

  10. OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am shocked I tell you shocked to hear their is note passing in high school.

  11. The hottest, you say? by chispito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So some kids found a creative workaround for communicating during class? And that qualifies as the "hottest chat app for teens," does it?

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    The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
    1. Re:The hottest, you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds just folding notebook paper and throwing it across the room to communicate. Just don't get caught. Nothing really exciting or new. Just kids being kids.

  12. Now the real test by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    Have someone flip the power switch on the router and tell them to bring up MS Word, WordPad or even Notepad and spend 30 minutes writing a grammatically correct 4 paragraph introduction to a prospective employer arguing why you are a fit for the position**

    ** "Yes, you an make up all your quals, but it needs to read like a young man or woman is approaching a job as a respectable potential employee."

    Sit back and watch the mayhem that ensues outside of those districts that still have parents and teachers that don't think like this:

    Those in their mid-30s today came of age on the cusp of the digital revolution. Many older Millennials didn’t have internet at home until high school, didn’t join social networking sites until college, and didn’t get an iPhone until they had already begun their careers. The arrival of Generation Z into the workplace is showing Millennials what a true digital native looks like.

    1. Re:Now the real test by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

      >teachers that don't think like this [nytimes.com]

      Jesus, H. I fit their demographic, but there's no way I would sign up to that sort of misery party. There's nothing new in tech, they just keep moving the deck chairs in ever smaller circles.

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      I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
    2. Re:Now the real test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me, the "digital natives" are the worst. At least old Janie Sweatyass the secretary knows not to go fucking around with things she has no clue about, and will call someone qualified for help when she fucks up or doesn't know what to do.

      The "natives" will sit there and fuck with things until they're completely broken, then call the poor helpdesk schlub and expect him to fix everything instantly with the push of one button because he's the "expert". At least Millennials admit that all they know is Facebook and Twitter and don't give a shit about how any of it works. Gen Z thinks they're geniuses because they know how to reboot the router to fix the internet at Mommy and Daddy's house.

      Millennials will happily use their cell phone data plan to surf Facebook on their iPhones at their desk because the guest wi-fi is shitty in their office (where clients never go, so duh), while the Gen Z Mensa Members will literally put in tickets to "get YouTube fixed" because it doesn't work on their computer or have someone "come out and look at the internet" in their cube because the rogue AP they tried to hook up won't get an IP. They are just clueless as to how anything works in the real world.

      The best part of my morning is a nice cup of coffee combined getting to go through the helpdesk and unilaterally close any and all moronic requests before any of my people have to deal with them. Along with that comes a polite explanation of IT systems policy, acceptable use, and consequences for security violations. If they do it again, I'll walk over and have a talk to them in person and that's usually the end of it. But the real bright ones are the ones who will try to escalate it by responding to the tickets as unresolved, which is pretty cool because those get *their* manager added as a participant on the ticket automatically and that's when the real fun starts with those types.

  13. Fuck Google Docs by tomlister3 · · Score: 1

    Last week, I wrote my own chat program in go for all my mates to use at school.

  14. IT'S NOT THE BEER IT'S THE LYING, FAGGOT KEN DOLL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " They see people almost being denied a supreme court seat because they once had a beer while in school." - No, he perjured himself under oath. It's not the beer, you lying faggot. IT'S THE LYING, YOU LYING FAGGOT.

    Kavanaugh pretended his "Renate Alumnius" was a badge of honor, that "boofing" wasn't anal sex (it was, I was alive then and that was the slang) and "Devil's Triangle" wasn't a drinking game. It clearly is.

    YOU TELL A LIE UNDER OATH AND YOU ARE A CRIMINAL. That he basically ATTEMPTED TO RAPE A CLASSMATE also didn't really rise to the occasion of a lifetime appointment to the SCOTUS without investigation.

    But with TRAITOR SUPPORTING DISHONEST FAGGOTS LIKE YOURSELF in charge? He sailed right through anyway, to lie another day.

    Dry your eyes, traitor. Your little perjurer didn't get caught - yet!

  15. Wrong, kids are fucking stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they weren't stupid they wouldn't believe in fake "disappearing" message services by Israeli/American surveillance capitalist companies.
    If they were smart, they'd know that computers copy information promiscuously, and they only security is to not share, or even not create the information in the first place.

  16. But Google does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At the end of class, they just delete a doc or resolve all the comments. Rarely does anyone save them the way previous generations may have stored away paper notes from friends.

    But Google sure keeps them. When the Google AI escapes the lab and enslaves humanity it will know all about your schoolroom shenanigans come judgement day.

  17. Just like being in jail, they'll find ways to talk by TheHawke · · Score: 2

    You shut people off from the world, they'll find ways to get messages in and out.

    Let them chat.

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    First rule of holes; When in one, stop digging.
  18. FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Rarely does anyone save them the way previous generations may have stored aim chat histories or IRC chat logs

  19. Re: Libtard Ejumacation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Remember when treating strangers with respect and loving your neighbor were conservative principles" - No, I don't. That was PR. They have been traitors since the John Birch society was founded. Parasite Republicanism.

  20. insert meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

  21. Re:Just like being in jail, they'll find ways to t by fufufang · · Score: 2

    You shut people off from the world, they'll find ways to get messages in and out.

    Let them chat.

    Alternatively make the lessons interesting, so nobody can be bothered to chat.

  22. why not morse code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still surprised kids haven't learned morse code. They could keep their device on silent in their pocket, feel it buzz messages to them (w/a low enough duty-cycle on the motor it would be nearly silent), and quietly tap responses back with one finger, all incognito.
    Plus, it's faster than texting.

    1. Re: why not morse code? by kenh · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't 'know' Morse code - Too much work.

      All they are doing is using an approved tool in a collaborative way, exactly as their teacher showed them. That's much easier than learning "tap code" like prisoners in the Hanoi Hilton:

      https://www.inverse.com/articl...

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      Ken
  23. Terrible news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we allow our youth to be ahead of the teachers, their future will be imperiled. Clearly we must take countermeasures, like transorbital leucotomy.

  24. What is old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We had a club in high school that operated like this. There was a user created for the club in Netware, and the club communicated with each other with Wordperfect 5.1. We'd make the filenames as to.from with 3-character abbreviated usernames. Anyone could read anything, but we generally stayed polite and out of conversations not addressed to us. It was a really rudimentary forum, but it worked pretty well for the mid- to late-90s.
    Teachers got annoyed at us, so the admin put an alarm sound into the login script, so it was harder to log in and chat without them knowing.

    I still have an archive I saved when I graduated, but I can't bring myself to read any of it since I'm sure it's cringy and awful.

    1. Re:What is old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone would extend Morse code to include emoji's I am sure this would take off ...

    2. Re:What is old is new again by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Emoji's have UTF codes, so all you'd have to do is send the Morse code equivalent of say: Emoji Code: U+1F913 The lameness filter is getting in the way of actually posting the morse.

  25. Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rarely does anyone save them the way previous generations may have stored away paper notes from friends.

    Kids aren't stupid. They see people almost being denied a supreme court seat because they once had a beer while in school.

    Yes, children and young adults are notorious for thinking ahead, all the way to their possible Supreme Court hearings.
    They definitely do not have more pressing concerns like getting cut from the cheering squad because they were drinking at a party last night.

    Could you please stop dragging politics into everything like a two bit troll, KenDoll? Oh and go back to your hole and put the lotion on, I’m hungry.

  26. Re:False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Occam's razor says that a horny inebriated young male around an inebriated young female, fearing no consequences, will call her a cab. But if he doesn't, Occam's razor says he's horny.

    Based on my own experiences at university.

    I don't know what convoluted things the young drunk males YOU know do, but the ones I know are not convoluted. Party and play for the gays, and lots of synonyms for the straights.

  27. Re:It's beyond impeachment, now it's the gallows. by CronoCloud · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    We're all tired of seeing women, homosexuals, and trannies in the spotlight.

    Women are 51 percent of the population. And what do you mean by spotlight? You're offended by the very mention of GLBT folks?

    America was at her apex in the 1950s.

    What? When there were fewer college graduates and goverment sanctioned racism?

    Integrated military now and we wonder why we've not won a war since WWII.

    you're complaining about racial integration?

    Won a war? Which wars are you saying we have lost?

    We don't even want to kill the enemy any more.

    Who says? What we want to do is kill enemies without antagonizing civilians we'll want to not attack in the future.

    When I was in school back in the 1970s, we celebrated the carpet bombing of Germany and the trashing of Japan.

    Celebrated? I wouldn't say that, discussed as necessary evils which were then followed up by the Marshall Plan, which REBUILT Germany and Japan so that they are now are friends.

    People now think flying the American flag is bigoted and wrong.

    Who says that? Some right wing pundit? Some Texan who full of Southern Partisan bragadoccio? Plenty of liberals fly the flag, they just won't fly the Confederate flag.

    We are not really even slouching towards Gomorrah, we're there.

    Bible reference, how funny. It's funny how you go on about military victories and smashing enemies when the Bible directly says: Thou Shalt Not Kill. It doesn't say "Hooo doggie, you can kill all the spics, nigras, sand nigras, indo-chimps, and Jew York City fags and trannies you want, jes don keel god-fearin Texans, YEE HAW, the south is goin to rise again"

    It literally says "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" and by going on about enemies and the military you are being a total hypocrite, just like most other Southern Evangelicals. You aren't really Christians, you're legalist "Paulians"

  28. Re:Just like being in jail, they'll find ways to t by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

    When attendance is mandatory, it guarantees a portion of those will have no interest in learning.

  29. Re:It's beyond impeachment, now it's the gallows. by CronoCloud · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Big talk from a keyboard warrior,

    Likewise. You really think that your gun carrying rednecks with some rifles can stand up against airstrikes, armored vehicles, and everything else?

    What would happen when the groceries stopped being delivered, or all the telecommunications were shut down, or the electrical grid go down. Or your granny can't buy her medicine at the pharmacy.

    Most states besides the East and Left coasts are highly conservative.

    You're forgetting the upper midwest.

    Let's see... the military is a little over 1M people.

    Active duty perhaps, but that doesn't include reservists or Guard now does it.

    Not enough to round all us deplorables.

    No need to round you up, just cut off the infrastructure. Most of you good ol boys who think you'd be a "militia" are just as dependent on your ESPN, Internet, Grocery stores, pharmacies, etc as the "coastal liberals" are. Texas is arid, cut off the AC and Monday Night Football and you braggart Texan machismo would cave in,

    The left barely know how to use guns, let alone own them.

    And who says liberals don't know how to use guns? That's the same old argument you southern boys pulled off in the 19th century...when a bunch of yankee "shopkeepers, clerks and factory workers" defeated a bunch of squirrel huntin illiterates duped into fighting for a bunch of slaver plutocrats with logistics, technology and MASSIVE firepower.

  30. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This takes me back to my junior year of HS when some of the students in my typing class discovered the local email system built into the dos networking software the IBM PS/2s used

  31. Re: It's beyond impeachment, now it's the gallows. by CronoCloud · · Score: 0

    Notice how I didn't say "fuck them". I called the poster out on hypocrisy and ignorance And by your sarcasm and homophobia, you are probably the poster.

    You want to debate, then login, coward. Its easy to be a bigot as an anonymous coward.

  32. Wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the Wave?!

  33. An OECD report... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...back in 2015, found an inverse correlation between ICT use in classrooms & academic performance. Numerous research papers have claimed "potential" for increased learning gains but very few have shown acceptable effect sizes in real world classrooms. In short, effective learning & teaching with ICT appears to be too difficult &/or problematic for the vast majority of pupils, students, & teaching staff to achieve. We need a moratorium on school ICT use in classrooms until the technology & curricula are shown to be fit for purpose.

  34. Re:Just like being in jail, they'll find ways to t by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    When attendance is mandatory, it guarantees a portion of those will have no interest in learning.

    If attendance were not mandatory, it would guarantee that a far larger portion of the population won't learn anything at all.

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    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  35. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was doing this in 2005 using text files and a shared drive, long before having a cell phone at school was considered normal, and I wouldn't consider that innovative, more like just creative. And kids getting creative to do something they're not allowed to do is far, far from new.

  36. Re:Kavanaugh Accuser Admits She Fabricated Allegat by DethLok · · Score: 1

    From the link:

    On September 25, “Jane Doe” from Oceanside, California sent an anonymous letter to Senator Kamala Harris alleging that the then-nominee for Supreme Court and his friend raped her “several times each” in the back of a car. ...Later on October 3, Judy Munro-Leighton emailed the committee claiming to be the “Jane Doe” of the letter... ...She admitted to investigators that her story was a “tactic” and “that was just a ploy.”...

    “I am not Jane Doe . . . but I did read Jane Doe’s letter..."

    So... she is NOT the person who claimed that the then-nominee for Supreme Court and his friend raped her “several times each” in the back of a car.

    So it's quite possible that the REAL Jane Doe was raped. It's certainly not been disproved.

  37. Jesus Christ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares?