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Is Adobe's Creative Cloud Too Powerful for Its Own Good? (vice.com)

Reader samleecole writes: Recently I was looking around at the state of modern image editors and discovered something really disappointing. The issue? Well, even with the rise of modern Photoshop alternatives such as Affinity Photo and Pixelmator, these image editors are not designed to handle animated GIFs. Which means that, despite the fact that I'd certainly love to see what life is like outside of the world of Adobe, it looks like I'm stuck in that ecosystem for a little while longer. Don't get me wrong: Adobe's software is great, if a bit expensive. But I do think that its business model highlights just how consolidated its power actually is -- and it's not talked about nearly enough in the creative space.

[...] Adobe is too powerful and can ignore things it doesn't want to do -- whether in the form of cutting prices or ignoring usability concerns -- in part because it carries itself like it's the only game in town. Here's a case in point that matters a lot to me, actually: Apple has supported a native fullscreen mode in Mac OS since 10.7, better known as Lion. It's a fundamental feature, and helps keep windows well-sorted on laptops in particular. It works pretty well in every major Mac application -- except Adobe's. Worse, if you drag a picture from a web browser into Photoshop, the window moves and doesn't stay in the middle of the screen, creating a constant frustration that could be remedied if, again, Adobe bothered to support the native fullscreen mode that has come in Mac OS for the past seven and a half years.

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  1. Powerful? by vossman77 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it too powerful? I dunno I stopped using around the year 2000. I use tools like GIMP and Krita for GUI based editing, but most of my editing is done on the command line with tools like ImageMagick or custom python scripts with the Pillow library.

    1. Re:Powerful? by bob4u2c · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I second GIMP. I stopped using Photoshop and forced myself to learn GIMP, took about 3 days before I was more proficient in GIMP than Photoshop and I've never looked back.

      In GIMP, each animation frame is just a layer. When you save you have the option to save to animation which does all the work for you. Here is a quick guide: https://elearnhub.org

    2. Re:Powerful? by HatofPig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The summary reads like nonsensical whinging about things that have nothing to do with Adobe.

      That's because it's actually just a bug report and a feature request for a piece of proprietary software; something which necessitates all the power of an international journalist outlet to get any actual response to from the developers. Just another reminder that Stallman Was Right.

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    3. Re:Powerful? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are people who use (or used to use) Adobe's software who are not full-time creative professionals.

      There are also people who use (or used to use) Adobe's software who can make intelligent decisions about when to pay for an upgrade and how to budget over more than the next quarter.

      There are also people who use (or used to use) Adobe's software outside the United States where the current subscription rates are significantly higher.

      I can't speak for anyone else, but as someone involved with smaller businesses often working in creative industries one way or another, we chose some time ago to minimise our dependence on any software with a mandatory subscription, for the simple reason that regardless of price, anything that can be arbitrarily broken or turned off by the software developer is a huge liability. If we can't use the latest version, we'll stick with the old one. If we can't get the old one any more, we'll find something else. We have yet to encounter a situation where that was not possible and we couldn't transfer our important assets -- our data and the people who created it -- to use the new system in some reasonable way.

      As a convenient side effect, almost all of the replacements we're using now are either the small-scale "upstarts" competing with established products from the lies of Adobe (think Sketch, Affinity, etc.) or from the FOSS world (think Linux, Blender, etc.). We're both saving money and supporting the little (but growing) guys.

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  2. Paint Shop Pro by darkain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If all you want is Animated GIFs, lemme tell ya. I make them using Paint Shop Pro 5. It came out in 1998. It still works perfectly well on Windows 10 x64. It is also so small, it loads instantly on modern hardware. It is amazing for quick simple tasks.

  3. Wrong target market by mccalli · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you care about animated GIFs, you're not who Photoshop is aimed at.

    Personally I use Pixelmator - it easily covers anything I need. But again - my needs are reasonable simple and I'm simply not who Photoshop is really targeted at.

  4. It's the gentlest of criticisms from a fan by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Author writes toward the end

    I really like Adobe as a company, but I think its suite has become so costly and unavoidable for the average creative consumer that it needs to be a little bit smaller

    No. You like the software. All of the things in your article are reasons you should NOT like Adobe as a company.

    Side note: hard to take the criticisms about usability very seriously when they are posted on mobo.vice. Talk about a bloated.

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  5. Whinge piece by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The summary reads like nonsensical whinging about things that have nothing to do with Adobe.

    Animated GIF not being supported is a good thing. We almost killed that crappy thing until bloody Facebook decided to create a GIF keyboard that allowed you to reply with animated memes. What good purposes outside of this still remains for GIF? Leave it in the 90s along with Zip drives, floppy disks, and computer cases without any style. You complain that Adobe carries itself like it's the only game in town while acknowledging that it's the only game in town and that you can't get away from it. *golfclap*.

    As for not supporting an OSX feature, I'm sorry. I'm sorry you think Mac is as relevant as it once was. Once the platform of creators has for so long rested on its laurels, provided no good incentive for consumers to favour it and its expensive non-customisable hardware, and repeatedly shat on developers of it's own platform to the point where it's x64 migration was managed poorly enough that an entire major version of Adobe's suite wasn't released on Mac in 64bit variant at a time where > 4GB of memory was actually relevant to the industry. OSX has a native fullscreen feature? Cool, the couple of percent of the market may be disappointed that Adobe doesn't support it, instead it rolled it's own fullscreen feature for the far more popular (almost by an order of magnitude now) windows platform.

    1. Re:Whinge piece by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with thegarbz. Apple used to be amazing. But now? They are an insult. OSX is still ok-ish but it's less reliable than it used to be... and wow... don't get me started on their hardware.

      Non repairable. Not upgradable. You're basically forced to buy a $5000 toaster. The only way out is to not buy their computers at all, and lease them instead.

      And it's not even a *good* toaster. They took what was IMO the best keyboard in the industry and made it the worst. It's barely better than typing directly on a glass screen, which is seriously painful if you're a good typist. Only USB-C ports, so you better hope that you didn't forget your docking station or dongles, or that they haven't failed on you (as VERY many reviewers on the apple store have complained about...) as you're about to do an important presentation. Gimmicks like the touchbar that shoot the unit cost through the roof, are unreliable, and provide negligible benefit.

      And funnily enough, every single method to work around all the various compromises just so happens to net apple more money. Buy more dongles. Interest from leases and you don't even keep the hardware.

      Despite their claims to the contrary, Apple has abandoned the entire professional market that supported them for so long.

      And the biggest killer of all? They can get away with it because at least it's not Windows 10.

      I can't think of another time when Linux on the Desktop was not just desired, but desperately needed, than now.

  6. WTF? by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok, maybe I am too tired, got back from work, but I don't understand anything on that post. The highlights I got:
    - Not many programs handle animated gifs. Who cares? OK, those who care could use PSP or something?
    - There some sort of annoying window movement when dragging a photo from a web browser to Photoshop? What???
    - Photoshop does not support OS X full screen mode. Okayyy, hadn't actually noticed that, as I actually don't do serious work on the laptop display and full screen works really bad on a 3 monitor setup. Maybe it is a feature some people would like? Definitely not the major issue with Photoshop.

    And all these inane points suggest "Photoshop is to 'powerful' for it's own good"? How? Why?

    Dear god, is our post quality going to reduce even more?

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  7. Network Effect by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ACC has used the network effect to get and stay on top. A manager for a graphics department wants to spend as little money as possible on software. ACC has made a one-stop-shop pretty much. You buy/rent ACC and you get the vast majority of what you need to make and manage graphics.

    While there are competitors, they are not as complete as ACC, meaning you have to buy and/or learn yet more software to get the missing features. And orgs also don't want a learning curve for newly hired graphic artists. If your shop uses a mish-mash of tools, finding employees who are a ready fit will be harder. Orgs want plug-and-play employees.

    It's similar to Microsoft: an org buys Microsoft not because it's the best, but because everybody else knows it, and they cover the gamut of most business needs in a good-enough way. IBM used to occupy that niche, but MS knocked them off the hill.

    It's a winner-take-most economy. Enjoy.

  8. F**k Adobe by imperious_rex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the digital graphics market. Whenever any application achieves dominance, it jacks its pricing up to as much as the market can bear. Remember Word Perfect? It used to be the dominant PC word processor (and was priced accordingly) until it lost out to Word as the world switched to Windows. When Word and the MS Office Suite achieved dominance, their pricing also pushed the limit of what the market can bear. You see where I'm going here.

    Adobe and its graphics troika Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign have dominated the industry for far, far too long and Adobe is in need of serious competition. Corel has been content enough with being a distant #2 that I don't think they'll ever aspire to push for the #1 spot (their pricing is better than Adobe, but is still too high for the solo graphic designer operating on a shoe-string). Fortunately, Serif's Affinity line with Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer (and the upcoming Affinity Publisher) may just have a clear shot at Adobe. Their pricing is insanely aggressive ($50 with free upgrades) and their feature sets gives you about 80% of what Adobe has. Because Serif is a UK company, I hope it can avoid getting bought out by Adobe when it becomes a perceived threat to Adobe's cash cows.