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The Other Recent Deadly Boeing Crash No One Is Talking About (nymag.com)
New York magazine's Intelligencer remembers last month's crash of a Boeing 767 carrying cargo for Amazon and the U.S. Postal Service -- and shares a new theory that its cause wasn't a suicidal pilot or an autopilot malfunction:
In online pilot discussion forums, a third idea has been gaining adherents: that the pilots succumbed to a phenomenon called somatogravic illusion, in which lateral acceleration due to engine thrust creates the sensation that one is tipping backward in one's seat. The effect is particularly strong when a plane is lightly loaded, as it would be at the end of a long flight when the fuel tanks are mostly empty, and in conditions of poor visibility, as Atlas Air 3591 was as it worked its way through bands of bad weather. The idea is that perhaps one of the pilots accidentally or in response to wind shear set the engines to full power, and then believed that the plane had become dangerously nose-high and so pushed forward on the controls. This would cause a low-g sensation that might have been so disorienting that by the time the plane came barreling out of the bottom of the clouds there wasn't enough time to pull out of the dive.
It has been speculated that this might have been the cause of another bizarre and officially unsolved accident from three years ago: Flydubai Flight 981, which crashed 2016 in Rostov-on-Don, Russia.... While it's still too early to draw any kind of conclusions about Atlas Air 3591, the possibility exists that a firm conclusion will never be drawn -- and if it is, the cause could turn out not to be a design flaw or software malfunction that can be rectified, but a basic shortcoming in human perception and psychology that cannot be fixed as long as humans are entrusted with the control of airplanes.
It has been speculated that this might have been the cause of another bizarre and officially unsolved accident from three years ago: Flydubai Flight 981, which crashed 2016 in Rostov-on-Don, Russia.... While it's still too early to draw any kind of conclusions about Atlas Air 3591, the possibility exists that a firm conclusion will never be drawn -- and if it is, the cause could turn out not to be a design flaw or software malfunction that can be rectified, but a basic shortcoming in human perception and psychology that cannot be fixed as long as humans are entrusted with the control of airplanes.
I'm not anything near being a pilot, but seriously, aren't jet pilots supposed to fly by what the instruments tell them and not by seat of the pants?
Why do they make so much money but never take any of the blame? The deaths are on his hands...
Everything I've been able to learn has indicated that there are major design errors in the guidance system of the Boeing 737 MAX-8.
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...if AoA sensor gauges were standard equipment on Boeing planes. You know, so a pilot could tell, based on actual data, how high or low their nose was pointed without having to rely on their highly inaccurate bodily sensations or a horizon line they can't see.
"the cause could turn out not to be a design flaw or software malfunction that can be rectified, but a basic shortcoming in human perception and psychology that cannot be fixed as long as humans are entrusted with the control of airplanes."
Or, maybe, humans are just fine at the job if they're given the proper tools.
"The Other Recent Deadly Boeing Crash No One Is Talking About (nymag.com)"
Fuck off, people ARE talking about it, especially the families of the victims. To insinuate that the crash has been swept under the rug is asinine, and then to further insinuate that well-trained pilots can't be bothered to fly by their instruments adds further insult to injury. Fuck off.
This article stinks of PR. It tries to point a finger at pilot error and say, "See? THIS is why we have to have computers controlling flight elevation, vis a vis MCAS. WE (Boeing) did the right thing, it's always pilot error that is the problem."
GPS can also calculate altitude so couldn't they integrate the 3 speed vectors (normally we just see 2 ignoring altitude, no?) and present the ascent/decent data as another input (maybe weighted down). The same can be done with the air speed indicator. I am not saying I want to primarily rely on GPS but it does present some data that may be of use. Indeed when there is a highlighted anomaly it may even help indicate GPS spoofing if nothing else.
On the other hand, we have two recent examples of what can happen when a flight computer is given control of the plane and it is unable to avoid doing something stupid like--as the old euphemism goes--`make inadvertent contact with the terrain'. Until we know more about how this was supposed work and exactly why it didn't, I think I'll trust the human with his hands on the controls more than the flight computer. (Thankfully, the occasions for my needing to fly are few and far between.)
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If you look at it and you are headed down (and you have good airspeed), you don't need to keep trying to nose down - regardless of what your senses are telling you.
What about looking at how the altimeter is changing?
The artificial horizon gives you a lot of information when your sense of direction is playing tricks on you (in the clouds and feeling like you are going up,down, rolling, etc.)
If watching old silent movie clips has taught me anything, it’s that airplanes have a predisposition to crash into barns.
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The pilot inadvertently jerked back on the yoke as he achieved a mind-blowing orgasm from the first office (not "copilot", thank you very much). This fits up with the known facts -- that the pilot's pants were down and his severed cock was found in the first officer's mouth.
Anybody who has ever given (or received) a blowjob while driving knows this is a common occurrence.
Crashes of freight carrying aircraft are often caused when something in the cargo bay becomes "adrift" and isn't strapped down properly. My first impression was that this crash happened when part of the load came free and slid forward, causing the plane to become dangerously unbalanced and nose-heavy.
On the other hand, we have two recent examples of what can happen when a flight computer is given control of the plane and it is unable to avoid doing something stupid like--as the old euphemism goes--`make inadvertent contact with the terrain'. Until we know more about how this was supposed work and exactly why it didn't, I think I'll trust the human with his hands on the controls more than the flight computer. (Thankfully, the occasions for my needing to fly are few and far between.)
Pilot error never stopped being the most common cause of aircraft crashes.
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That's a very common human bias. You're much safer with a computer at the controls. You're *safest* with a computer at the controls and a well-trained human ready to override if necessary. A major part of that training is knowing when not to do so.
The recorder seems to indicate that the plane was making very strange inputs such as placing engines in maximum power and then the yoke went maximum pitch forward. This comes from a pilot who has connections about the investigation. He did not come out and suggest a suicide but he basically ruled out most anything else. Also Atlas air has had many problems retaining pilots because of the low pay which the union has complained about. Figures, Amazon wants its cake and eat it too. This is why it created its own freight of aircraft. Yeah this will be interesting as it progresses.
I don't think that word means what you think it does.
Or, the crash might have been caused by the pilots doing what the MCAS system did in the indonesia crash: maybe they saw a faulty AOA reading, feared a stall, and pushed the nose down at too low an altitude to recover. Has AOA been ruled out by black box data?
Much more dangerous than snakes are easily exploited nav systems. This is *real* economic terrorism.
Whenever you don't have a visual horizon, the rule is to put 100% of your faith in the instruments - always. If they were flying on instruments they would not have crashed the 767. It's a completely different issue than criminal negligent homicide involved in the 737 MAX planes, which are designed to kill people.
please? Speculation as to the cause isn't helpful to anyone, especially by non-pilots (Read: Most comments and yes, I am one) Wait for the Black Box interpretation before you go running off at the mouth about stuff you know nothing about.
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
First, I'm not trying to justify Boeing or what they did. Every indication is that they f**ked up royally.
However, the reporting on this by the non-technical media has gotten out of control and is nothing short of "Boeing built and sold a deathtrap". They did not and it was not just Boeing's failures (though Boeing could have done a lot more to eliminate the failures by others... or even the possibility of them).
The 737 MAX MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) improves the flight handling of the 737 MAX which has different flight characteristics from other 737's because the engines (which are by far the heaviest component on the plane) were moved ~6 inches forward of the wing to accommodate the larger engine size. This has often been characterized in the media as meaning the plane is unstable or not flight worthy (both incorrect) and that the MCAS is a "hack" that was snuck past the FAA (also incorrect). MCAS systems are very common and have been for decades. There are planes that are unstable in flight and CANT be flown without an MCAS but these are generally military aircraft where the increased agility or other benefits justify the risk (the F-117 is a perfect example of this, the shape required for that generation of "stealth" created an aircraft that was unstable).
What seems to have lead to both the Lion Air and Ethiopian Air crashes was not the MCAS per se but the way the plane responds to a stall event perceived by the angle of attack sensors (AOA). On all 737's ("original", "NG" and "MAX") the MCAS will put the nose of the plane down in attempt to prevent the stall. On every generation before the MAX this behavior could be canceled by the pilot by pulling back on the yoke (which is intuitive... the pilot is directly counter-acting the nose down). On the MAX this behavior was changed, the MCAS had to be turned off by pulling a circuit breaker. This was Boeing's first screw up, that is not intuitive and a break from decades of previous behavior. (Note: this type of circuit breakers are not like the ones in your car where you have to go digging for them, they are switches that are readily available to the pilot).
Where Boeing further screwed up (and can/may be viewed as criminal subterfuge) is that they did not make this information expressly clear to _everyone_. From everything I've read it was clearly documented in the maintenance manuals for all airlines but it was not clearly documented in the pilot's manual. For some airlines it was, for some it wasn't. The question is wether or not Boeing did this so that the plane would qualify as the same type as the "NG" meaning pilots qualified for the NG would be qualified for the MAX (which saves training/SIM costs for the airlines and also makes it easier for them to schedule/rotate pilots).
IF both crashes were caused by invalid responses (nose down) to a faulty AOA sensor then both crashes were 100% preventable by the pilots. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that the Lion Air aircraft had the same incident occur the previous day and a crash was averted because a dead-heading pilot in the cockpit jump-seat did know about the change in behavior and advised the pilots to pull the circuit breaker. The flight continued without incident.
So no, the MAX does not have major design flaws. When handled correctly, it flies like it's supposed to. It's notable that Ethiopian Air (and all other airlines it seems) immediately updated their 737MAX training after the Lion Air crash brought the difference to light. The pilot in command of the EA flight that crashed skipped this updated training (I have not seen any information about the co-pilot).
The root issue is not the design changes on the MAX, it's how the design changes were communicated:
1. Boeing should have made the new requirement to disable the stall handling much more clear.
2. The FAA probably should not have approved it as the same "type" as a 737NG.
3. The Airlines should have been more diligent in their assessment of th
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5% type II error with a 20 sided dice. You better use three.
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