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Trump Administration Dims Rule On Energy Efficient Lightbulbs (npr.org)

An anonymous reader shares a report: If it's been a few years since you shopped for a lightbulb, you might find yourself confused. Those controversial curly-cue ones that were cutting edge not that long ago? Gone. (Or harder to find.) Thanks to a 2007 law signed by President George W. Bush, shelves these days are largely stocked with LED bulbs that look more like the traditional pear-shaped incandescent version but use just one-fifth the energy. A second wave of lightbulb changes was set to happen. But now the Trump administration wants to undo an Obama-era regulation designed to make a wide array of specialty lightbulbs more energy efficient.

At issue here are bulbs such as decorative globes used in bathrooms, reflectors in recessed lighting, candle-shaped lights and three-way lightbulbs. The Natural Resources Defense Council says that, collectively, these account for about 2.7 billion light sockets, nearly half the conventional sockets in use in the U.S. At the very end of the Obama administration, the Department of Energy decided these specialty bulbs should also be subject to efficiency requirements under the 2007 law. The lighting industry objected and sued to overturn the decision. [...] NEMA argued that Congress never intended for the law to apply to all these other lightbulbs. After President Trump took office the Energy Department agreed and proposed to reverse the agency's previous decision. Critics say if the reversal is finalized it will mean higher energy bills for consumers and more pollution.

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  1. Of COURSE Trump wants to overturn it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...it has nothing to do with the benefit to either the consumer or the industry and is totally about trying to erase anything Obama did as a way of getting his petty revenge.

    1. Re:Of COURSE Trump wants to overturn it... by Ksevio · · Score: 5, Informative

      I guess if he was elected to be a bad president, we deserve a bad president.

      Let's not forget when Obama tried to work out compromises with Republicans on health care by picking a Republican plan, taking months to vote on Republican amendments, and then they still all voted against it. When the GOP leader said their #1 priority was to make Obama a one term president, they weren't really looking to compromise.

    2. Re:Of COURSE Trump wants to overturn it... by steveha · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...Obama tried to work out compromises with Republicans on health care by picking a Republican plan, taking months to vote on Republican amendments...

      The Republican amendments were not in the final bill. The final bill was made by rewriting a totally unrelated bill, and less than a week elapsed between the introduction of this final bill and its being voted into law in the Senate (on a 60-39 straight party lines vote). Please read this history by the Washington Post's fact checker guy Glenn Kessler.

      The key work on creating the Senate version of the ACA was done in secret. Let's take a trip down memory lane.

      [...] ...consideration of the bill "proceeded on two parallel tracks," starting when the Senate returned to work on Nov. 30. The first track was public, with the illusion of debate and votes on amendments. The official record shows 506 amendments were offered.

      [...]

      [John Cannan:] "In actuality, only a tiny fraction of these amendments has any significance" to the bill's legislative history. Only a handful of amendments covered by a unanimous consent agreement (UCA) reached between the two sides had any relevance, he concluded. Meanwhile, "all of those amendments not covered by UCAs were ordered to lie on the table as soon as they were introduced and had no parliamentary standing at all."

      That's because the real work was going on behind closed doors, back in Reid's office...

      [...]

      Once the deals were in hand, Reid on Dec. 19 revealed a manager's amendment revising the proposed bill, which was also scored by the CBO. He filed three successive cloture motions to end debate on the revised manager's amendment, on his original amendment and on the original House bill. He also filed three other amendments that had the effect of "filling the amendment tree" — cutting off opportunities for the Republicans to alter the text.

      [...]

      The late David Broder, the fair-minded Washington Post columnist, was scathing in his criticism of the spectacle in a column headlined "Health Reform's Stench of Victory." Reid, he wrote, "reduced the negotiations to his own level of transactional morality. Incapable of summoning his colleagues to statesmanship, he made the deals look as crass and parochial as many of them were — encasing a historic achievement in a wrapping of payoff and patronage."

      History Lesson: How the Democrats pushed Obamacare through the Senate

      But you said that President Obama, specifically, "tried to work out compromises" with the Republicans. Could you please show me some kind of news story or something where he told Harry Reid not to do what Harry Reid did? I don't remember anything like that.

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  2. Re:Solution looking for a problem? by thereddaikon · · Score: 4, Informative

    They do that by design. If LED lightbulbs don't have an MTBF similar to old incandescent bulbs then the manufacturers stand to lose a lot of money. So they are intentionally made like crap. Everyone thought that with LEDs we wouldn't have to change lightbulbs anymore. That was naive. Incandescent bulbs can last much longer than what we were used to as well. But there is no money in it

  3. Re:Solution looking for a problem? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Informative

    I haven't really had many reliability issues with LEDs. We have many throughout the house and elsewhere. I have had one (1) of them break, a Philips Hue (sadly the most expensive of the lot). I've had a few bad purchases where the bulb would emit a nasty greenish light instead of nice white. Other than that, few issues (and certainly more reliable than incandescent ones)

    Try IKEA bulbs. They sell them really cheaply and they've been reliable so far, with good quality light as well. We use them in our rental properties where they are used hard in the common areas.

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  4. Re:Problem with energy efficent specialty lights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many specialty bulbs are very odd shapes. CFL and LED lights are difficult to fit into these shapes, and end up being highly unreliable. For what the special nature of these bulbs, the conventional style works more reliably.

    Very odd? Most of them are round, round is not an odd shape. If they could fit a filament into it, with their space requirements etc., there should be no problem fitting an LED into one. I have LED candelabra bulbs which work quite well, is there a shape more awkward to fit into than those?

  5. Re:Solution looking for a problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't trust everything you read on Twitter?

  6. Harsh LED bulbs? by steveha · · Score: 5, Informative

    the light from LED bulbs seems more harsh

    I personally find "daylight" bulbs very harsh, and I'm wondering if you got one of those. They are slightly brighter than "warm" bulbs but I don't like the color.

    Ironically we say "warm" bulbs for bulbs with a lower color temperature. Color temperature is measured using the number of degrees that an ideal black-body radiator would be to glow at that color. "warm" bulbs are 2700K, and "daylight" bulbs are 5000K. The hotter color temperature means the light is shifted toward blue, so it's brighter. The "warm" temperature is less bluish. (We are used to fire being considered warm, and it's only red-hot; blue-hot is hotter. But ice looks bluish so I guess we think bluish colors are cooler.)

    I have Cree brand tube bulbs that replace fluorescent tubes and they are 3000K color temperature. I like 3000K; the "warm" temperature of 2700K seems kind of yellowish to me. I found that Cree has some 3000K bulbs on the Home Depot web site (I've never seen them in a store) and I plan to try buying some.

    Also, bulbs have a metric called "CRI", which I believe is "Color Rendering Index". A CRI rating of 100 is theoretically exactly as nice as sunlight. Higher is better. The most expensive Cree bulbs have CRI of over 90. Your "harsh" bulb may have a low CRI.

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  7. Re: What will it take.. by jeff4747 · · Score: 3, Informative

    And although Trump may have been left unscathed by Mueller's probe

    All we've seen so far is a summary written by the guy who literally covered up Iran-Contra. And even that summary explicitly states the report did not exonerate Trump:

    While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him

    Btw, one of Barr's "interesting" legal positions is that you can not be charged with obstructing justice unless you can be charged with the crime you obstructed justice to hide. Which would seem to fit extremely well with that quote. It's also an insane opinion that isn't backed by anything other than convenience to the powerful.

  8. Re: What will it take.. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, I agree with all of that, and have made similar points in other stories. Please see my reply to gtall above.

    Barr's claim that there was no obstruction because there was no crime of conspiracy is ridiculous. Tell that to Martha Stewart, who was not convicted for insider trading, but was convicted for obstructing the investigation of her alleged insider trading.

    And it gets better with Barr. He maintains that the President cannot obstruct justice. Not hard to see how he got the nod from the WH to be the new AG.

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  9. Re:Solution looking for a problem? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are not wrong. The market is taking care of the "specialty" bulbs just fine. I can walk into any store now and find LED versions for almost all those bulbs. It look the invention of the "LED Filament" type bulbs, and wham- the floodgates opened. Clear bulbs with small bases and real filaments that project light in all the right places. It was a MAJOR breakthrough.

    They sort of work for some use cases. They are not remotely a good replacement, though, for a whole host of reasons, from spectrum differences to brightness differences to not existing in the same sorts of globe styles. But you're right that they're better than they were.

    Any regulation is now just mostly a waste. Most consumers are not stupid, they understand LED, they are learning what lumens are, color temperature, and actual wattage. They are making informed and better decisions every year. Change takes time- both for development and education. And there ARE some cases where incandescent are still better and appropriate. Making them "illegal" doesn't make sense.

    Any regulation of residential lighting was always a waste. It's not about helping the environment. It's about virtue signaling, proving by forcing people to give up their incandescent bulbs that they're serious about the environment. Why do I say this? Three reasons:

    • The amount of power that can be saved is pure noise. Commercial lighting hasn't used incandescent bulbs in decades for power cost reasons. And residential lighting, as a percentage of power consumption, is barely even relevant. Only 6% of U.S. power consumption goes to residential lighting. Thus, even very large reductions in residential power use result in very small changes to total power use.
    • The greenhouse gas emissions from U.S. residential lighting are pure noise. The U.S. produces only 15% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions, with only 28% of that coming from electricity. Even if you could somehow eliminate all U.S. residential lighting consumption (to zero), you would still only be reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 6% of 28% of 15%, or two hundredths of one percent. By contrast, if we could shift all of our automobiles to electric, assuming that new power comes from green sources, we would cut 28% of our greenhouse gas emissions, or more than 4% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
    • Conservation only matters because our power production is dirty. The greenhouse gas emissions from U.S. power production get lower every year. Currently, about 63.5% of power comes from fossil fuels, down from more than 92% in the 1950s. The single best way to improve the environment is to accelerate that trend and to pressure countries that manufacture goods for sale in the U.S. (e.g. China) to do the same.

    Trying to solve global warming by reducing residential lighting electrical usage is like trying to stop crime by finding a criminal and driving at 5 MPH in front of him or her with your car for a block. It is patently absurd, and anybody who says otherwise hasn't seriously thought about the numbers. We can't conserve our way out of this problem. We have to change the means of energy production, replacing fossil fuels with renewable energy or nuclear power. That's the *only* approach that can *possibly* have an effect that is big enough to be worth the effort.

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