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Judge Recommends Import Ban On iPhones After Latest Apple Vs. Qualcomm Verdict (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: The latest chapter in the ongoing and messy Apple versus Qualcomm legal battle might mean a U.S. import ban on some iPhone models. A U.S. trade judge has found Apple guilty of infringing on two Qualcomm patents related to power management and data download speeds. As a result, the judge -- International Trade Commission Judge MaryJoan McNamara -- says some iPhone models containing competing Intel modems might be blocked from shipping from China, where they're manufactured, to the U.S. The judgment is still pending review by the ITC. Qualcomm is expecting another ruling in a second case it brought to the ITC later today that is not expected to include an import ban on iPhones. Regardless, this ruling is another blow to Apple, which, earlier this month, was found to have infringed on three separate Qualcomm patents in one of many other legal skirmishes playing out between the two companies. Next month the two companies will square off in court to discuss Qualcomm's alleged anti-competitive licensing strategies and the patent royalties it claims Apple owes for disputing the terms of their long-standing relationship.

67 comments

  1. That's a lot of power in one person's hands by danbuter · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's hard to believe one person could completely shut down a company like this. I'm hoping the judge isn't some 75 year old who doesn't even know how to turn on a computer.

    1. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Daemonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A single judge can decide if someone lives or dies and you're shocked about how much power they have over a corporation? Perhaps you should check your priorities.

      Besides, a jury usually decides guilt, the judge decides the penalty.

    2. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      Apple is too big to fail. No judge has power over them in any real way. iPhone shipments will continue unimpeded, even if Apple has to call in a favor and get some "emergency legislation" or higher court order to help them out.

    3. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by mschaffer · · Score: 2

      Apple has not been shut down, the judge is not 75 years old, and she knows how to turn on a computer.

    4. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are not exactly correct about the death penalty in the us. it depends on the crime, whether there are aggravating factors, whether the the prosecution has sought it, and so on. anyhow, you are most correct by suggesting that danbuter is an idiot for being shocked that a judge would be able to impose a severe penalty on a corporation.

    5. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      It's hard to believe one person could completely shut down a company like this. I'm hoping the judge isn't some 75 year old who doesn't even know how to turn on a computer.

      "Live by the sword, die by the sword."

      I couldn't have happened to a better company.

      Maybe some day they will advocate for sensible IP laws.... but I doubt it.

    6. Re: That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can't - it goes to further review before being enacted, and that is scheduled for July.

      This first administrative law judge is to weed out the horseshit claims from those that may have merit.

    7. Re: That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple shut themselves down by violating patents. We can complain about how bad the patent system is, but Apple has played the game aggressively for decades. I have zero sympathy for Apple at this point, they can either pony up the licensing fees or cease production of some of their devices.

    8. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Maybe some day they will advocate for sensible IP laws.... but I doubt it.

      No way. Big corps sue each other over IP, but except for legal fees, that is zero sum.

      But IP laws are a win for big companies because they can use IP to crush small companies and dominate markets.

      Apple owns no factories and has very little capital equipment. Yet they are the most valuable corporation in the history of the world.

      Nearly all of that value is in the form of intellectual property.

    9. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Branding is a rarified and less respectable form of intellectual property. And it's what Apple mainly leans on.

    10. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      It's hard to believe one person could completely shut down a company like this.

      An ITC Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) can't "shut down a company", but, because they are part of the ITC, they can determine that it is illegal to import certain products. If a company can only survive by importing a small number of products that infringe someone's patents, that's the company's problem.

    11. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has not been shut down

      It only means the Americans won't have the full range of iPhones to choose from. Kinda like in the 80s when Apple wasn't allowed to ship from the US to certain eastern regimes because the technology was considered too advanced, but the other way round.

    12. Re: That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why cease production? This only affects imports into the US. Apple can market slightly technologically downgraded versions to Americans, or Americans or can go online and buy from offshore vendors.

    13. Re: That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how a supply chain works. The components where arranged over a year in advance. If you drop a 100m device market there is no profit in continuing production. Shut it all down, write it off, and start over.

    14. Re:That's a lot of power in one person's hands by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] Kinda like in the 80s when Apple wasn't allowed to ship from the US to certain eastern regimes because the technology was considered too advanced, but the other way round.

      Except for completely different reasons.

  2. And we all lose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As much as I admit there is a little shadenfreude in huge companies fighting like this ... pretty sure at the end of the day it's the consumers who will get screwed on this one.

    Either they'll have to pay extra to cover licensing fees, court fees, or both.

    1. Re:And we all lose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how APL fleeced it's customers over $200B, I don't think there's any problem covering extra licencing fees they should have been paying to begin with.

      So as far as I'm concerned, Qualcomm getting their money that they deserve is a win in my books. Android has enough internal competition that a ban of any single company won't affect the ecosystem much.

    2. Re:And we all lose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so this is an Android thing. Thanks for clearing it up. You don't have a real beef, you just hate apple because APPLE BAD!!! APPLE BADDD!!!!!111!!!

    3. Re:And we all lose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Qualcomm is deserving of no such thing; they are as responsible as Apple for the pervasive disposable technology culture today. Apple does it by soldering and gluing their devices together, and Qualcomm with undocumented proprietary hardware interfaces that can't be supported after being abandoned. Android is not a panacea if there is no open hardware to run it on.

    4. Re: And we all lose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't hate Apple. But the do attract a certain kind of obnoxious fan base.

    5. Re: And we all lose ... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Apple is the Scientology of the electronic gadget business.

      They are in the cash-in phase. Eventually there will be all kinds of shit branded Apple. Like the lowest-end Android tablets which get branded Polaroid and RCA, two other famous brands.

    6. Re:And we all lose ... by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      As much as I admit there is a little shadenfreude in huge companies fighting like this ... pretty sure at the end of the day it's the consumers who will get screwed on this one.

      Either they'll have to pay extra to cover licensing fees, court fees, or both.

      If the customers are willing to pay more, you're merely describing a corrected pricing mistake.

    7. Re: And we all lose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is more of the suicide cult type. They will disappear one day and we'll have to explain to our grandchildren what Apple and K-mart were.

    8. Re:And we all lose ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Qualcomm is deserving of no such thing; they are as responsible as Apple for the pervasive disposable technology culture today. Apple does it by soldering and gluing their devices together, and Qualcomm with undocumented proprietary hardware interfaces that can't be supported after being abandoned. Android is not a panacea if there is no open hardware to run it on.

      So now you are proposing that Apple should stop the use of SOLDER?!?

      Stupid fuck.

  3. Which models? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    I've been trying to figure out which models are affected, but so far haven't found it in any of the reporting. Recent bans over Qualcomm's patents have only affected older (usually outdated) models, or else have only affected models that hadn't yet received the latest software updates. I'm wondering whether this is more of the same or whether this will actually have an effect on current flagship models running the latest version of iOS.

    1. Re:Which models? by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

      Qualcomm wants the ITC to ban imports of AT&T and T-Mobile iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X models that use chips from Intel. Keep in mind that Qualcomm didn't file this suit until Apple switched to using Intel chips rather than Qualcomm's own chips. This is about revenge for not using them as their primary supplier.

    2. Re:Which models? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      As far as I could tell, that list of models was for a different set of patents related to Intel's modems.

    3. Re:Which models? by Daemonik · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Keep in mind that Qualcomm didn't file this suit until Apple switched to using Intel chips rather than Qualcomm's own chips. This is about revenge for not using them as their primary supplier.

      That's okay, Apple switched to Intel as revenge for Qualcomm not bending over and cutting their patent fees for Apple. Also they possibly (probably) gave Intel Qualcomm's trade secrets to improve their crappy performance. The wheel of screw your business partner over keeps spinning.

    4. Re:Which models? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep in mind that Qualcomm didn't file this suit until Apple switched to using Intel chips rather than Qualcomm's own chips.

      Yes, obviously. They replaced the Qualcomm components with a combination of Intel hardware and their own software that violated Qualcomm's patents.

      This is about revenge for not using them as their primary supplier.

      No it is about them replacing Qualcomm's products with their own offering (and also some components from Intel) that violates Qualcomm's patents. Apple takes legal action when a company violates Apple patents so why should Qualcomm not be taking action against Apple over patent violation?

    5. Re:Which models? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can rest assured that Qualcomm will drill down to the silicon to see if any trade secrets have been passed on, and sue them for breach of contract.

      Plus, while Intel is figuring their shit out, enjoy the shitty modem performance.

    6. Re:Which models? by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Keep in mind that Qualcomm didn't file this suit until Apple switched to using Intel chips

      You idiot, that's because Qualcomm had a patent agreement with Apple while they were supplying them the chips.
      Apple didn't like how Qualcomm based the royalty payment on the retail price of the phone, the same as all the other manufacturers, because Apple have been skyrocketing the retail price - like paying $1099 for a 64GB phone or $1449 for a 256GB model. That's $350 for 192GB. A 256GB micro SD card costs less than $100.
      They stopped paying Qualcomm royalties, so Qualcomm sued for infringement.

      That's how it's supposed to work.

    7. Re:Which models? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Qualcomm wants the ITC to ban imports of AT&T and T-Mobile iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X models that use chips from Intel. Keep in mind that Qualcomm didn't file this suit until Apple switched to using Intel chips rather than Qualcomm's own chips. This is about revenge for not using them as their primary supplier.

      retard. until Apple switched supplier they were NOT violating the patents. Only when they stopped paying the patents would they sue and I can assure you they would be sued even if still using Qualcomm.

  4. Ban on iPhones? by DickBreath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Woo Hoo!

    It's about time Apple got a real taste of being on the wrong end of a patent infringement lawsuit.

    Clearly Apple must feel that they didn't infringe. But then so did all those Apple was suing over patents not very many years ago. Pinch to zoom? Bouncy scrolling? And wanting to get 100% of the device retail cost as damages? Seriously?

    IMO this couldn't happen to a better target than Apple.

    FYI . . . long ago I was a card carrying Apple fanboy and longtime developer back in the Classic Mac days. Even after moving from Mac to Linux when OSX came out, I still had fond memories of Apple -- until it started all the patent lawsuits.

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    1. Re:Ban on iPhones? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Ahm.. this is Apple, losing lawsuits is kinda their thing.

    2. Re:Ban on iPhones? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Apple spawned the Windows juggernaut. By suing all of Microsoft's GUI competitors (for MS-DOS machines there was GEM, Geoworks, etc.) out of business, and then losing the touch-and-feel lawsuit against Microsoft.

      Yes, Apple literally spawned the Windows ecosystem, with the litigious bullshit that has ALWAYS been a major part of their business model.

    3. Re:Ban on iPhones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahm.. this is Apple, losing lawsuits is kinda their thing.

      Except of course, when it's not:

      https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/03/26/apple-avoids-iphone-import-ban-as-itc-rejects-qualcomm-patent-infringement-claims

      Of course, Slashdot won't report on THAT Apple News...

  5. Re: No more Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why it will never happen and apple will continue to take most of the profits. Android is a loss leader. But very mature of the android crowd to use homophobic slurs.

  6. Good for the goose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. https://www.reuters.com/articl...

  7. Qualcomm antennas are better right? by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Isn't this a win for consumers, or did I misremember the old Qualcomm antenna woes? Or old news?

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/364...

    https://www.cnet.com/videos/th...

    Part of the cnet conversation:

    "Now a recent report from Bloomberg claimed Apple might be throttling Verizon's LTE performance with a Qualcomm modem in order to make it perform similarly to the Intel chip that's in other phones. The Qualcomm hardware is theoretically capable of a maximum 600 megabits per second for download speeds. Compared to the Intel modem that's topped out at 450 megabytes per second."

    1. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by WankerWeasel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This isn't related to that. This suit was filed by Qualcomm when Apple decided to use Intel modems rather than theirs. They got upset over the loss of revenue from the move, so they found a patent to go after Apple over and try to force them to use their modems again.

    2. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you deluded? They violated the qualcomm patents because they implemented part of the modem components in software without licensing the patents qualcomm had on those components. Qualcomm previously provided those bits as part of the modem they supplied to Apple, when Apple switched to Intel there were some bits missing, Apple implemented them in software and got caught violating one of the qualcomm patents and slapped with a sales ban in China as a result, they then went and changed the software to stop violating that particular patent.

      This isn't about companies being upset at eachother, it's a clear cut case of patent infringement and Apple litigates such things in exactly the same way over equally or even more frivolous nonsense patents. See their various lawsuits against Samsung as an example where they also sought a sales ban. Good for the goose, good for the gander. Obviously Apple fanboys can't see it that way though.

    3. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only apple fanbois would mod this as insightful. they are missing the fact that they stole qualcomm's ip without compensating them for it. apple is a much bigger patent troll and they outright steal technology to be made by someone else.

    4. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, it's because they stopped negotiating and they tried to dine-and-dash?

      No company can be forced to use a specific brand of modem (especially if they're refusing to pay the agreed upon amount), so that's just an odd remark to make.

    5. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "They violated the qualcomm patents because they implemented part of the modem components in software without licensing the patents qualcomm had on those components."

      Sounds like you're the deluded one. Removing the need for hardware by using software is novel and unique, Qualcomm didn't do it, and thus Qualcomm shouldn't have had any fucking win related to that.

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    6. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Removing the need for hardware by using software is novel and unique

      No. The implementation was previously contained within the firmware of the package qualcomm supplied to Apple, but that aside implementing something that is done in hardware in software is as nonsense a form of "innovation" as the "XYZ...on a smartphone" patents.

    7. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, they sued because Apple stole their patented technology and gave it to Intel, because Intel modems sucked and Apple wanted them to be as good as Qualcomm ones.

      Apple likes to have two sources for every part they buy in, both as insurance if one has supply issues and to play each supplier off the other on price. Unfortunately for Apple Qualcomm modems are significantly better than Intel ones, and Apple actually had to artificially slow down the Qualcomm ones to make iPhones using them perform the same as iPhones with Intel modems.

      In an effort to help Intel improve Apple gave their engineers some remedial classes based on the super secret NDA-protected information that Qualcomm gave them. Qualcomm found out, sued and won.

      Apple is guilty, caught red handed. At this point they aren't even denying it any more, just arguing over the punishment and trying to fight back by moaning about Qualcomm's licencing terms. See, Qualcomm is required to licence patents under fair and reasonable terms, and that usually means swapping patent licences... But Apple's patents are all shit, rounded corners and bouncy scrolling, and of no use to Qualcomm so they just asked for cash. Same terms as everyone else paying cash, in fact, but Apple thinks it's special and should get a discount.

      Apparently being better than Intel is an antitrust violation because how can Apple force them to licence at a lower price if they are better!? It's unfair, like how Lexus rips everyone off by charging more than Dacia just because their cars are better. If they weren't an illegal monopoly they would make worse cars and sell them at the same price as a Fiat 500.

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    8. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by swillden · · Score: 2

      Sounds like you're the deluded one. Removing the need for hardware by using software is novel and unique, Qualcomm didn't do it, and thus Qualcomm shouldn't have had any fucking win related to that.

      You can't generally work around a patent by implementing the patented functionality in software rather than hardware, or vice versa.

      It was completely fine for Apple to implement the functionality in software (or hardware, whatever), as long as they paid the appropriate royalties to the patent holder. Or, alternatively, Apple could have found a different approach to solve the problem that didn't infringe on the patent. Having failed to do both, Qualcomm will be awarded whatever remedies the court deems appropriate.

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    9. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by gravewax · · Score: 1

      That is a seriously twisted view of what happened. Not surprised an apple fanboy would view theft that way but how the fuck did you get modded up so much? Until Apple switched to intel they were NOT violating patents and paying royalties. Switching vendors did not trigger the lawsuit, it was stopping paying what they legally owed.

    10. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Targon · · Score: 1

      When you use products by a patent holder, that isn't a problem. Apple wants to use Qualcomm patents without using Qualcomm products, then Apple should have paid the license fees. It is as simple as that. The fact that Apple decided not to pay any royalty fees and allow the debt to go up and up just asks for a judge to insist that Apple pay what is owed right now, not over a period of time. Apple has all that money "in the bank", so has no excuses for not paying, except for greed and general iDouchery.

    11. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't generally work around a patent by implementing the patented functionality in software rather than hardware, or vice versa.

      Bullshit.

      Patents are "gotten around" every single day by someone finding an alternative method to achieve the same goal.

      That is perfectly legal, and it is only because most judges are completely ignorant of the way things work that this kind of nonsense Judgment can occur.

      This thread essentially addresses the subject. See the post containing the rather succinct statement:

      "Can a Utility Patent be infringed by a different method or apparatus that achieves the same function?”, the answer is No."

      https://www.quora.com/Could-it-be-patent-infringement-for-a-product-that-has-a-different-design-but-same-result

      Also see this article (link below) about designing around a patent to avoid infringement. It (along with the Quora thread, above), state that changing the implementation (such as from hardware to software), which Apple can CERTAINLY say results in a lower-cost solution, should be enough to avoid a patent infringement claim (except in East Texas...) :

      https://www.spruson.com/design-around-patent-avoid-infringement/

      So, it seems the only way Apple could "infringe" would be to have a chip foundry create Qualcomm chip clones that use the IDENTICAL hardware to achieve the IDENTICAL result. Instead, they used a DIFFERENT combination of hardware and software to achieve a similar result.

      The fact that Apple's solution performed at a lower-level that Qualcomm's should be proof positive that it could not possibly be infringing on Qualcomm's IP. But Apple's solution IS still "unique", in that it is lower cost in hardware, and especially since its performance is inferior to the Qualcomm solution.

      CAPTCHA: Contempt

    12. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bullshit. simply moving something from software in the firmware to software on the OS IS NOT A FUCKING INNOVATION. No matter how you twist it.

    13. Re:Qualcomm antennas are better right? by swillden · · Score: 1

      You can't generally work around a patent by implementing the patented functionality in software rather than hardware, or vice versa.

      Bullshit.

      Patents are "gotten around" every single day by someone finding an alternative method to achieve the same goal.

      That is perfectly legal

      Using the same method but doing it in software rather than hardware (or vice versa), is not "finding an alternative method".

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  8. Re: No more Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple fanboys always crow about how much profit Apple makes from its gullible customers, that huge profit margin comes from selling cheaply made phones to morons and slapping a massive mark-up on them. Doubly braindead Apple consumers go around telling people how awesome it is!

    Just look at how much they cheered when Apple announced that its new iPhone would be much more expensive than its previous models and that it was the best iPhone they have ever made (like they're going to say "here's the new iphone, it's not as good as the last one", shows how dumb they know the people they are targeting are) and that it allows you to put your face on an animated piece of cartoon shit! Surely there was a conversation within Apple with execs laughing and somebody piping up to say "come on guys, we can't put their faces on a piece of shit and call it a feature, surely they aren't that dumb"...that person was obviously fired when the Apple customer base proved how wrong he was.

  9. It's pointless by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    The bans will be for specific models that have been found to be infringing.
    These cases take so long to complete that new models are out and the ones being banned aren't being shipped anymore.

  10. Great news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck apple

  11. Re: No more Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The joke used to be that Apple's fanbase was so unthinkingly loyal that if Apple put their logo on a piece of shit those people would line up around the block for days to buy it. They kinda one-upped that joke by selling a product that puts those idiots' faces on a piece of shit and pricing it upwards of $1000.

    Kinda feels like the next conversation was how to show these people how much money they were spending on Apple crap so they created a credit card knowing that the Apple fanboys will use it exclusively and they can surface, on an iPhone, exactly how much money these people are hurling into Apples coffers. Knowing their fanbase they'll wear it like a badge of honour, probably wanting a "share" button so they can airdrop their Apple expenditure and the next fanboy dick-measuring contest.

  12. Re: No more Apple by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    But very mature of the android crowd to use homophobic slurs.

    Are gay Android users homophobic??

    Yes; you're a fucking moron.

  13. Too big to fail? Here's a free lesson in reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If apple fails, then all the other companies that make cell phones and computers come in and purchase their assets at bankruptcy auctions. Apple then goes away and everyone forgets about Apple for the next latest and greatest rip off illusion company. This is what will happen to Sears when it finally dies, the cockroach that company is.

    That's how capitalism works for companies.

    Not Banks though. Banks are too big to fail. Banks own the governments, armies, science, academia, everything.

    Banks own you. You are a security that is traded, your birth certificate that is.

    Apple is merely a company that a lot of brainwashed people buy the lowest quality most expensive phones from, that's it. Banks love Apple.

    Now I hear Apple is trying to be a bank. Through Goldman Sachs. Get it now? Apple can't be a bank without Goldman. It's an ancient Babylonian, Egyptian money system pal. get with the program.

  14. Re:Too big to fail? Here's a free lesson in realit by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

    Eventually the Apple brand will be something that's slapped on all sorts of third rate products. Packard-Bell was an electronics company with a good reputation in the past. The brand was valuable with older people who remembered it from their youth. Polaroid and RCA are other 'brands' that are in the recycle phase and get slapped on lower-end electronic gadgets at this point in their deterioration. Apple has a valuable brand and they're working hard to come up with ways to expand that brand. Eventually it flares out though. Is there a shitty Apple coffee maker in your grandchildren's future? Probably.

  15. Re: No more Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are gay Android users homophobic?

    No, they're poor.

  16. Re: Too big to fail? Here's a free lesson in reali by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

    Apple is not going into bankerupcy any time soon lol. Even if apple completely shut its operations but kept everyone on the payroll and kept paying its rent it could survive for decades simply on cash in hand. It's a company with astronomical wealth

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  17. Always a pleasure by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Always a pleasure when Apple gets whacked by patents. Only because of the round corners and all that swaggering.

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  18. Re:No more Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AppleFaggots are sad.

    Cry AppleFaggot, Cry!

    That's exactly the kind of erudite debate that keeps me coming back to Slashdot.

    (rolls eyes)