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Google Will Require Temp Workers Receive $15 Minimum Wage, Parental Leave (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Google said today that it would require its extended, non-employee workforce in the United States receive comprehensive health care coverage, a $15 minimum wage, and 12 weeks of parental leave. The move follows protests from employees and other workers at Google who have pushed the company to offer more benefits. Google relies on a massive staff of temporary, vendor, and contract workers, many of whom are supplied by third parties and aren't offered the same benefits as full Google employees. The disparity has led to calls for better conditions for the workers. Today, The Guardian reported that more than 900 employees have signed a letter supporting temporary workers whose contracts for work on Google Assistant were shortened.

In a statement announcing the changes, Google said it would require companies that provide temporary and vendor staff to offer health care benefits, including mental health, pediatric, oral, and dental services, as well as a minimum of eight paid days of sick leave. Workforce providers will also be required to pay workers at least $15 per hour and offer $5,000 per year in tuition reimbursement. The wage requirements will go into effect at the end of the year, Google said, and the health care requirements will start before 2022. The Tech Workers Coalition, which has organized tech industry workers, criticized that timeline. "Changes announced today apply to no one working right now -- but workers can't wait years to pay rent, see doctors and care for their families," the organization said in a tweet.

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  1. It isn't just Google by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The entire tech industry in many cases employ more 'contingent workers' than they do direct-hire employees, and quite frankly as one getting the hell off the 'contigent worker' treadmill: it's a shitty way to live. While their calls for better minimum wages and actual benefits for contingent workers sounds good on the surface, they're still 'second class citizens' compared to the direct-hire workers, and in some cases that's literal not figurative.

    1. Re:It isn't just Google by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      I'm still trying to grasp the notion that H1-B's & L1's make less than $15/hr. I could believe that in 2000, but in 2019???

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    2. Re:It isn't just Google by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      These are probably the people who work in the cafeteria and such. An H1-B wouldn't take $15 per hour. That works out to only about $30,000 per year, which no one would take. Even interns are going to make more than $15/hour at most tech companies, even in smaller cities. Hell, even creimer wouldn't have worked for that little.

    3. Re:It isn't just Google by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Sympathise, more like workervertising. I can't get over a corporations making great health care announcements and then turning around and putting them off for three years. Yeah, let me guess in 2 years and 11 months time, they cancel it.

      I get the con, they make the announcement now and lobby real hard to get universal health care before the dead line.

      So Tulsi and Bernie get in 2020 and by 2022, universal health care in the US, and google has to provide nothing. Pretty cunning. How about instead, of being so scammy, Google instead make a public declaration that the Alphabet corporation supports universal health care in the US and do stats on how much it will save American corporations as well as of course how the people themselves will benefit.

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    4. Re:It isn't just Google by Real+Data+Collection · · Score: 1

      Tech support workers make $10/hr to $25/hr. Those numbers are probably higher today, say $15/hr to $30/hr, because $15/hr is or will be minimum wage in some parts of Silicon Valley. As housing costs go up and unemployment goes down, the supply of cheap tech support workers has been dwindling. Google and other tech companies will have to pay more for a cheap tech support.

    5. Re:It isn't just Google by keltor · · Score: 1

      I'm a little confused by H1Bs making that little. I'm not allowed to bring in H1Bs at the company I work at for less than the AVERAGE rate for the job type. So the discussion has to start at the Average. (And to be honest, all of our H1Bs are probably equivalent to a Google SSWE-type position, they have have plenty of experience, most with Masters or PhDs, often from American schools at that.)

  2. Only two way to make a corporation by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    move faster then quarterly, piss off the CEO, or go on strike.

  3. Wow, wage increase, cool by Krishnoid · · Score: 2

    Comprehensive (whatever that means) health care coverage? That's impressive.

  4. Temp programmers only get $15/hr? by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    Shit, there really is a glut of talent programmers in India.... /s

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  5. Why not Globally? by arobadog · · Score: 1

    Google has a lot of employees around the World (Philippines, China, India, etc) that would love to make $15/hr.

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    1. Re:Why not Globally? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Google has a lot of employees around the World (Philippines, China, India, etc) that would love to make $15/hr.

      Typical wages in these countries is far less than $15/hr, but expenses are also far less. Paying 1st world wages just pushes up inflation and creating a division between tech "royalty" and everyone else working in the local economy.

    2. Re:Why not Globally? by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

      but expenses are also far less

      As if they deserve to be limited by how poor their surrounding country is? Philippine workers deserve every cent of what american workers make.

      Paying 1st world wages just pushes up inflation and creating a division between tech "royalty" and everyone else working in the local economy.

      That's because it signals to the rest of the community how to actually participate in the global economy, and the benefits from doing so rather than maintaining locally efficient but globally inefficient behaviour becomes overwhelming. A normal person living in 21st century america has a lifestyle that approximates unfathomable wealth to a 13th century monarch (with some exceptions and differences, which are worth noticing too) - having ice from a refrigerator alone is 'royalty' wealth compared to much of the history of humanity. We should aspire for *that* kind of wealth to be more global, and less concentrated in places like the US. At the same time, the ways that the US is poor (social cohesion, say) the people in the Philippines could probably help out with...which they could if they were paid better.

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    3. Re: Why not Globally? by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      How much longer are we going to have ice cream wealth in the United States. That ice box requires electricity, which ends up about a $100 USD per month charge. That is quite a hefty monthly bill. One I probably should have gone without.

    4. Re: Why not Globally? by themusicgod1 · · Score: 1

      People used to look forward to a future where ice boxes would get gradually cheaper, as more of the world becomes more productive. Maybe those times can come again someday if we can help bootstrap places like the Philippines up away from being tempted into dawla al islamyya's barbarism or worse.

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    5. Re:Why not Globally? by hjf · · Score: 1

      The "expenses" thing is a lie. Food and energy are commodities and they cost the same everywhere you go. My friend making $6000 a month in Ireland pays the same as I do in Argentina for 1kg of meat. But my salary is under $1000 a month.

      The difference with our countries is that we also have lower standards of living. Not all our roads are paved, we don't get to eat meat as many times a week as you do, etc.

      And the "it's ok to pay them less" just perpetuates that. And it has another consequence: immigration. Americans dont want no immigrants terking ther jerbs but what are we going to do? It's silly for me to stay here for $10K a year when I could move to europe, work the same hours, but do 6x as much.

      The world doesn't become better if people keep moving to better places. Paying 1st world wages those people would enable them to have a better living and that's it. Inflation is a monetary problem and nothing else.

    6. Re:Why not Globally? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Food and energy are commodities and they cost the same everywhere you go.

      I was in Lanzhou for two weeks last summer. Everyday, I bought a bowl of rice congee for breakfast. It cost 5 mao, or about 6 cents.

      Food is far cheaper in poor countries.

    7. Re:Why not Globally? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I have a 38sqm in Manila that costs 1000 USD per month.

      Unless you have a top floor unit right on the bay, you are paying at least 5 times the market rate.

    8. Re:Why not Globally? by hjf · · Score: 1

      So you "were" in a poor country for two weeks, and now you can tell people like me, who live in such poor countries, what life is like over here?

      Fuck you.

  6. Who Even Makes That? by WankerWeasel · · Score: 3, Informative

    I can't imagine any Google workers short of maybe some facilities workers being paid that little anyways. Even interns get more than that at most Fortune 500 companies.

  7. Globally jobs do not really give big healthcare pl by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Globally jobs do not really give big healthcare plans as the GOV provides most of them.

  8. If they really feel that strongly about it... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    maybe they should just hire the workers as full-time employees, pay them what they apparently believe they should be paid, and give them the benefits they apparently believe they should receive.

    Keeping the workers as contractors that Google can use as much or as little as they please, but forcing their actual employers to give them above-market pay and benefits regardless of how much time they actually spend on Google contracts, gives Google all the benefit (PR, goodwill) and very little of the risk.

    1. Re:If they really feel that strongly about it... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      It's a culture fit. Being a Google employee carries with it a fair bit of status. Googlers don't like being on the same level as ordinary workers or cafeteria cooks. It's galling to think that the uneducated get the same benefits as you. It causes mental distress and we know Googlers are highly sensitive to that sort of thing (it's called "neuroticism" and got James Damore in a lot of trouble).

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  9. Are they in Silicon Valley and what do they do? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

    Just wondering if they sleep under their desk and if Google provides showers and laundry services for these $15/hour workers. Certainly $15/hour workers can't afford housing in Silicon Valley unless it's in the local homeless shelter. I understand Google provides "free" food for some workers, but not sure about these folks under discussion.

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    1. Re:Are they in Silicon Valley and what do they do? by hjf · · Score: 1

      I haven't been to google but I've been told these workers have a different color badge, and that color doesn't enable them to get free food at the cool cafeterias there.

  10. Going to have to sell some ads for that by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Push the ads deep into the OS, the browser and then stop all attempts at ad blocking.
    Every ads counts to pay for wage virtue signalling.
    How about putting that money to making a new search engine that works without de ranking results?

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  11. Different story for contract workers... by Mysteryprize · · Score: 1

    My wife was offered a full-time job that was subcontracted, with Google as the client. They offered her 7 USD per hour. I'll bet that the company in the middle was getting plenty of money out of the deal, but because it was contracted out, they can get away with paying a pittance for a highly skilled full-time position.

  12. YOU WILL BRING ME GRAPES PEASANT by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    For I am KING, and you live only to serve.

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  13. Re: Related: google to hire less temp workers by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    What's your point? Paying temps more and providing more benefits will increase the cost of those employees.

    Google should just hire the people instead of using temps.

  14. Mixed feelings .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    First off? I think wages and benefits absolutely have to be appropriate for the location of the job. With the cost of living as high as it is out in California, I would think Google would have already been paying contract workers at least $15/hr. wages or so?

    But overall, I really dislike this push to make the $15/hr. wage a LEGAL mandated minimum. If a business does it voluntarily? Well, great. That's how things are supposed to work. But here in Maryland, they just pushed the $15/hr. wage law through (although it doesn't take effect immediately, and there are a few exceptions for specific work situations). And already, the feedback I've heard from small business owners is really telling. Either they're starting to look at options to move out of the state and do business elsewhere, or they're trying to find ways to hire fewer people or cutting hours to make up the difference, because they can't stay profitable while paying everyone that as a starting wage.

    The problem out here is, it's already very costly and difficult to run a business. If everything else was equal, maybe the $15/hr. wage would be possible to do. But the businesses around me are only here because they had to take out big loans to get up and running, and profitability is in the FAR distant future for them. Your rank and file workers just see the money coming in and think it's unfair they don't get a bigger cut of those proceeds. What they don't see is the fact that ALL of their pay is coming from a loan the owner is trying to pay back with interest. And things like city inspectors inconsistently enforcing the laws really adds to the difficulty. (EG. We have a couple guys here who took out a $150,000 loan to open a microbrewery in what was originally an old fire house. They quickly realized that most of their customers wanted to eat while sampling the beers there, but they couldn't afford the whole process involved to cook food in the building for people. So they started inviting food trucks to come out to their property regularly. That lasted about a month, and then the city got involved, saying the food trucks weren't allowed unless it was a special festival or event. Then, they tried to renovate the whole, unused, second floor of the fire house (which was once a dance hall). They wanted to rent it out for special events like weddings or have concerts there. Well -- again, the city said no, because the new building inspector decided it needs a $100,000 fire suppression system with sprinklers installed first for safety. (The original inspector they asked about it a year earlier said it would be no problem as long as occupancy was kept under 900 people and a fire alarm was installed. He installed the fire alarm already.)

    I know this is getting a little off topic, but my point is just to illustrate the kind of challenges that get put in people's way, when they're just trying to run a successful business that employs others. That's before even talking about things like employment taxes. I really believe wages are set adequately without government intervention. Nobody will accept a job if the wage is too low, and sensible employers want to hire and train people who stick around a while. But there are valid reasons someone might be only offering $10-12/hr. vs $15 ... and there are plenty of people who are really only worth the $10-12 anyway. (Our kids just turning 17 who want a first job would be examples.)

    1. Re:Mixed feelings .... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Less than $15/hr is less than a living wage almost anywhere, and certainly anywhere that's not an armpit or cesspool. The minimum wage was originally intended to be a living wage. It hasn't kept up with inflation for decades. It should have been tied to inflation. If a business can't pay a living wage, it shouldn't exist in our current system at all. Someone more efficient should have that demand to serve (and exploit.)

      If we had UBI and national health, on the other hand, we wouldn't need a minimum wage at all. All employment would be voluntary, and therefore it could be contracted on any mutually satisfactory basis. It would take most of the overhead out of employing people — there would also be no need for worker's comp or unemployment insurance.

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    2. Re:Mixed feelings .... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      If we had UBI and national health, on the other hand, we wouldn't need a minimum wage at all.

      If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.

      If a business can't pay a living wage, it shouldn't exist in our current system at all.

      In other words, no business can have any jobs that aren't worth the cost of a "living wage" according to drinkypoo. No entry level jobs for teens, for example.

      Actually, minimum wage was never intended to force "living wages". Minimum wage is NOT intended to be a living wage, because not all jobs are worth minimum wage and not all employees are worth minimum wage.

    3. Re:Mixed feelings .... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Actually, minimum wage was never intended to force "living wages". Minimum wage is NOT intended to be a living wage,

      Poppycock.

      Got any other piffle to dispel?

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    4. Re:Mixed feelings .... by redlemming · · Score: 1

      But overall, I really dislike this push to make the $15/hr. wage a LEGAL mandated minimum. If a business does it voluntarily? Well, great. That's how things are supposed to work. But here in Maryland, they just pushed the $15/hr. wage law through (although it doesn't take effect immediately, and there are a few exceptions for specific work situations). And already, the feedback I've heard from small business owners is really telling. Either they're starting to look at options to move out of the state and do business elsewhere, or they're trying to find ways to hire fewer people or cutting hours to make up the difference, because they can't stay profitable while paying everyone that as a starting wage.

      The problem out here is, it's already very costly and difficult to run a business. ...

      I know this is getting a little off topic, but my point is just to illustrate the kind of challenges that get put in people's way, when they're just trying to run a successful business that employs others.

      I suspect that, if anything, you are massively underestimating the scope of the problem. Econometric studies show that 64-73% of the differences in cost of living between US states are caused by government policy decisions (The Importance of the Cost of Living and Policies to Address It - Schlomach, 2017).

      Further, I wouldn't be surprised to find a similar percentage of the differences in cost of living not just from place to place, but also from year to year, are also caused by government policy decisions. Many government decisions have impacts that compound across the economy, and there are feedback loops are well (hence society pays many times for a bad policy decision, not just once: the impact compounds over time). Even seemingly small amounts can become impressive when everybody has to pay, and when compounding and feedback are taken into account.

      To give an example, the tolerance of government in the USA for ethics problems in the legal system causes almost every business and most individuals to have to pay protection money in form of liability insurance - and sometimes to get that insurance a business has to spend additional money on related items (such as fences, security systems, refraining from entering certain markets or doing certain things or having a presence in certain areas, and so forth).

      Hence, government policy increases the cost of doing business, and these costs have to be accounted for in some fashion for the business to survive. The total amounts involved are not trivial: according to a Redja (Risk Management and Insurance), the direct expenditures on tort in the USA in some years equals a 5% income tax on every American - and that's just the direct spending in one of the many areas of law that has problems. Insurance companies have to cover these totals plus overhead and profit - and we also have to consider the others forms of defensive spending that businesses are doing - which means the total amount spent by everybody with respect to this issue is larger then the direct expenditures alone might suggest.

      The direct spending on tort in the USA is roughly 2-3x what people are paying in other developed nations (Redja) so the USA clearly has different policies with respect to the issue - and US businesses are paying a far higher price then their counterparts in other nations as a result of these policies.

      For another example, economic studies suggest that in most industries (with the pharmaceutical industry being one of the rare exceptions) the money spent on patent lawyers and litigation exceeds the value of the patents - and does nothing to increase innovation rates (see The Captured Economy, Lindsey and Teles for many references on the economics of patent). Here again we have government policy increasing the cost of doing business.

      Sales taxes are another area that has some significant hidden overhead. The sales tax rules can be very complex in many jurisdictions, change frequently, are often quite ir

    5. Re:Mixed feelings .... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Got any other piffle to dispel?

      I've already dispelled your piffle, so no.

  15. The problem with universal health care -- control. by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    While I want to start by saying universal health care is a good thing. It has one major problem , 'who defines health care'. The current system already has that problem , right now the company you buy insurance from defines it and you get to have some pick ( if you are self insured) over the company.

    I will happily support universal health care plans that allow for 2 things.
          1) do no pay for abortions , birth control, Viagra ( or other recreational drugs).
          2) will not aid people who mistakenly want to be something they can never be in there fantasy by paying for acts of self mutilation. ( like sex change operations).

    I would expect 30 - 60% of people reading this would not accept universal health care that doesn't pay for those things.

    What we need is away of providing medical care everyone that can be defined by the groups who participate in it.
    Something more like membership organizations , or Medical sharing groups that are organized by but not controlled by the government and instead allow those who are members to vote on what benefits they want and are willing to pay for. Then there needs to be some kind of stipend that follows people with lower income that is not dependent on existing medicade laws so the states can't block it.

    Otherwise we are just setting ourselves up for years of political battles over social issues that won't see universal health care ... maybe ever.

     

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  16. Isn't this Co-Employment? by GregMmm · · Score: 1

    How can they dictate the wage of a contractor, without saying the're becoming a co-employer. I worked like this for a big tech company and this was strictly forbidden. Google doesn't manage contractors, the contracting agency does, including pay. If Google wants to pay them $15 an hour, then hire them and pay them $15 an hour. Otherwise, get ready, law suits are coming...

  17. Parental Leave by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    So mommy and daddy can let them out of their basements to go to work. Very nice.

  18. Excellent points made .... but .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I have a problem with that conclusion you came to at the end of all of that.

    "It would be far smarter to just have better welfare systems."?

    The more social welfare a government provides, the more it's going to be motivated to apply various taxes and fees to pay for it. And meanwhile, you've created a disincentive to provide as high a quality of medical care as possible. (As always happens when one is employed by the State, or contracted by the State -- there's much less fear of job loss for doing a lesser quality of work.) In the U.S. - healthcare has never *truly* been a free market proposition. There's too much regulation and even favoritism given to big pharma, for one thing. But at least the majority of doctor/patient interactions still happen within a system where a given facility is privately owned and operated, and doctors make it or don't make it based on their own merits and ability to make patients happy.

    The conclusion I get from all of your statistics is that we need much less government involvement in our lives, all the way around.