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Colorado's 'Open Internet' Bill Would Punish Internet-Providing Violators By Taking Their Grant Money Away (coloradosun.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Colorado Sun: Now that Democrats are in charge, Colorado's second attempt at its own version of a net neutrality law passed the General Assembly and now heads to Gov. Jared Polis for his certain signature. Keeping internet speeds consistent regardless of whether a customer is streaming video from Comcast or Netflix wasn't the only intent of the Senate Bill 78. The bill also makes internet service providers pay back state grants to build broadband infrastructure if those companies use paid prioritization to favor some internet traffic over others, or slow down speeds for some users.

The Colorado law is similar to the former federal one in that it would prohibit ISPs from prioritizing certain content. It would also force violating ISPs that benefited from state broadband grants to refund all money received in the previous 24 months. After the governor signs the bill into law, Colorado's attorney general would by Oct. 1 create guidelines on how consumers can file complaints about net neutrality violations.
"What I was really looking for in this year's bill was the appropriate nexus of action. A lot of the bills we saw getting in trouble in other states, or bills that were facing a lot of opposition, were more about sending a message of net neutrality instead of looking for a fulcrum point for state action," said Sen. Kerry Donovan, a Democrat from Vail who sponsored last year's bill and wrote this year's bill. "This bill says that if you're going to ask to be funded by the people in Colorado directly out of their paycheck then you need to adhere to these principles."

85 comments

  1. shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just use the money to build state-owned infrastructure (similar to highways) and lease fibers and/or wavelengths to any ISP that wants them.

    1. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect. If you want to be funded out of someone's paycheck you should give those people something specific, not provide a service profiting those people.

    2. Re:shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      Yes and you shouldn’t get skull-smashing drunk either. But if you already have, that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take a cab home because it’s too late to make any good choices.

      Companies that receive subsidies or grants from tax payers should lose some of their freedoms they would otherwise enjoy. Don’t like the rules, don’t take the money.

    3. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your "if" in no way offsets the OP. You're an illogical bitch.

    4. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankfully, I have never lived in Colorado nor do I have an ISP. I don't read the "proposals" from the ISPs that show up in the mail. Intentionally confusing is to be avoided at all costs. I suppose you have never seen what an ISP tries to sneak into your "contract" and fail to reveal the intentionally vague and spurious "terms" to the governor.

    5. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no ISP? Where did you post this from?

    6. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Could be using a phone and cellular data. The mobile carriers typically aren’t regarded as ISPs.

    7. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably at the public library, paid for by property taxes.

    8. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

      The mobile carriers typically aren’t regarded as ISPs.

      That's because phones and cellular data don't support streaming.

      And mobile carriers don't support streaming on tablets or desktops, especially through hotspots in the home that mobile carriers sell.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    9. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      That's because phones and cellular data don't support streaming.

      I have a teenage daughter, and she streams over cellular all the time ... in her room ... 10 feet from the router ... with WiFi disabled because she forgot to turn it on ... blowing through the family-plan data cap in the first week of the month.

    10. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently your daughter is just as dumb as you. Makes sense.

    11. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!!!!

    12. Re: shouldn't be giving out grants anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bathrooms are clean too.

  2. How dare they! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Government money to corporations must be free and easy so they can use it best, unlike welfare to the poor which must be heavily restricted!

    1. Re: How dare they! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And furthermore ISPs collude so that illegally only one ISP offers you service and prevents other ISPs from offering service and then try to get retailers and governments to only take payments over the Internet for the express purpose of forcing citizens to sign up for overpriced service and to accept ISP junk forcibly by making addenda to "contracts" and withholding the addenda from the citizens so as to funnel the citizens into a very bad situation while the citizens remain completely unaware. In addition, consumers are defrauded by presenting them with presentations about citizen subscriber rates that had no basis in fact and no likelihood of ever materializing. After hearing the true facts and not the falsehoods, ask consumers to talk to their fellow consumers and acquaintances and decide if they still want the Internet, now that they are made aware of the fraudulent nature of the proffered contracts.

    2. Re: How dare they! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government money to corporations must be free and easy so they can use it best, unlike welfare to the poor which must be heavily regulated

      Slashdot is the wrong forum. This is stupid and these are not the droids you seek

  3. I am a prototype for a much larger system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Morpheus: I was a prototype for Echelon IV. My instructions are to amuse visitors with information about themselves.
    JC: I don't see anything amusing about spying on people.

    Morpheus: Human beings feel pleasure when they are watched. I have recorded their smiles as I tell them who they are.
    JC: Some people just don't understand the dangers of indiscriminate surveillance.

    Morpheus: The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms.
    JC: Electronic surveillance hardly inspires reverence. Perhaps fear and obedience, but not reverence.

    Morpheus:God and the gods were apparitions of observation, judgement and punishment. Other sentiments towards them were secondary.
    JC: No one will ever worship a software entity peering at them through a camera.

    Morpheus: The human organism always worships. First, it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgement of others), next it will be self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment.
    JC: You underestimate humankind's love of freedom.

    Morpheus: The individual desires judgment. Without that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization.

  4. Why are for-profit companies being funded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are for-profit companies being funded by taxes?

    1. Re: Why are for-profit companies being funded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For profit companies file obfuscated returns to make it appear the company is eligible for tax breaks and make it impossible for anyone to determine the truth, which is no tax funding was ever authorized or available. And by cloaking their secret intentions in a tax return showing a small amount due, it is made to seem like a normal tax deduction and not evasion.

    2. Re: Why are for-profit companies being funded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because people expect to be paid when the government wants something done.

    3. Re: Why are for-profit companies being funded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "government" wants scumbags out of business

    4. Re: Why are for-profit companies being funded? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Don't be silly. Then who would pay their bribes?

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      --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
    5. Re: Why are for-profit companies being funded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on man, we'll give you half. Ok 60% ok 70%

  5. QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non-technical people should not be part of this rule making. QoS is a critical part of modern IP networks. You have to give higher priority to time sensitive data (like streaming video and voice) or it just doesnâ(TM)t work. Give it too high of a share, and nothing else gets through. I get not playing favorites between YouTube and Netflix, but you have to balance Netflix traffic vs. say articles from slashdot. Imagine if you had no rules for highways: you get downtown Mumbai or Hanoi. People walking everywhere, no one getting out of the way for fire trucks, bicycles going every which way. Etc. Everything slows down or just breaks. Thatâ(TM)s why we have sidewalks, bike lanes, HOV lanes, make way for emergency vehicles, and have highways and side streets.

    1. Re:QoS is Critical by DewDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem isn't traffic management..it's that just about every ISP in America operates on a very huge conflict of interest: We have very few stand-alone ISP's anymore; they're all rolled in to some kind of cable/television provider. The problem is things like Netflix and Hulu hurt your video business...and the high-speed internet connection you sell is allowing people to view your competitors. In captialistic America...this is bad. It's a conflict of interest for them to sell you a service that will let you access a competitor. The companies want all your money, they won't get all your money that way. So there's a LOT of interest on them to block, throttle, or degrade competition. It's not an issue of "different lanes"; it's the fact the ISP's don't want you to use all those lanes. They absolutely want to deny you the video-streaming lane. And hey..while we're at it. WalShart paid us a whole bunch of money to direct customers over there...so we're going to give 100% priority to WalShart's website and we're going to restrict access to Amazon as per our agreement. Hey...Faux News is offering us even more money to make sure all our customers can only consume their news online...so we'll make sure Faux's website loads in two seconds but everyone else will time out. This is not playing favorites against YouTube and Netflix...this is saying "We don't want you using either so you'll have to pay for our services." 5G is apparently going to focus on home internet as well. Just about every wireless provider owns a TV service in some way or another. You think a customer on TMobile will be able to subscribe to Sling? Hell no! They're going to block every other streaming video service so you will take their Level3 or nothing. Verizon will do it with their TV...hell...AT&T is already walking down the path of making DirecTV an exclusive product that will require their network. Sure, that's a few years down the road...but they've effectively launched the very last satellite. Once the current fleet is dead...they'll be streaming only. None of this will really be competition. The providers will collude to keep prices high. The consumers will once again be getting fucked by big corporate thanks to the backing of a government that feels consumer rights don't exist.

    2. Re: QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah but viewing your competitors is exactly the whole purpose which is why ISPs try to make it sound like people don't need something or should have their right surreptitiously taken away. If I had an ISP that degraded traffic to another website of any kind, said ISP would be gone immediately.

    3. Re: QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I think technical people shouldn't be involved.

      You correctly identified the need for VoIP and streaming, but then said Netflix can't be prioritized over slashdot articles.

      I believe what may be closer to the need is for streaming and VoIP to be adequately identified as types of traffic and earmarked for prioritization, but as a type cannot be treated differently. That way Comcast can't prioritize their service over Netflix.

      At least, from an industry-standard packet prioritization perspective. Comcast may absolutely increase their throughput by adding caching or other mechanisms, so long as those mechanisms don't violate the basic rule, directly or indirectly.

      Net neutrality will *break* so many things. They're trying to fix problems that either aren't real, or aren't well-understood. Netflix is viable because it is highly prioritized and cached. It doesn't work perfectly, but recognize that the system feeds itself and issues like an ISP throttling Netflix will get resolved, unless it can't for a physical issue (limitation, cable break, etc.) or human one (moron at the helm, wrong config applied, etc.).

    4. Re:QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ding ding ding. My only choice for high speed internet is the cable company. I use their DNS and router default settings? sucky streaming all around... every month I have to resetup the router because they ocassionally remote in and "update" my router.

      Their settings: only major players work, but even sometimes Youtube and Netflix are a bit slow. Try using some small streaming service like Stargate Command, meh.. horrible.
      My setting: almost everything works fine... Even small time streaming like Stargate Command is lightning fast. hmmm

    5. Re:QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony of this situation, is they might actually make higher margins in the long run by not being held hostage by the cable networks. Comcast is in a bad spot, both for the soul and the body. XD

    6. Re: QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use their router

      they update my router

      You seem to be confused.
      Also, they don't "remote in," the router is just set to automatically check their server for firmware updates periodically and install them if available. And if it's combined with a cable modem, it'll automatically update firmware when it registers with their equipment as part of the normal provisioning process.

      If you don't like it then buy your own router and manage your firmware and DNS settings yourself.

    7. Re: QoS is Critical by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Also, they don't "remote in," the router is just set to automatically check their server for firmware updates periodically and install them if available. And if it's combined with a cable modem, it'll automatically update firmware when it registers with their equipment as part of the normal provisioning process.

      Firmware updates should not change settings.

      If you don't like it then buy your own router and manage your firmware and DNS settings yourself.

      Or better still, enforce antitrust laws and force the ISPs to learn how to behave.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    8. Re: QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QoS is bullshit remove all QoS thanks!

    9. Re:QoS is Critical by terrycarlino · · Score: 0

      Congratulations Colorado just made it illegal for ISPs to prioritize streaming video from search and rescue drones over someone streaming PewDiePie. Good job.

    10. Re: QoS is Critical by DewDude · · Score: 1

      That all sounds fine..... But what if you have 4 choices...just four. All four do the same activity. There is no other alternative than to go with an ISP that blocks the content you want. Your solution is a fantasy. I have exactly one choice for internet at my house. One. The other provider will not run infrastructure to me because "it's not cost effective"; and there's no way in hell a wireless service works. Hell...without wifi calling on my phone; you'd never be able to get in touch with me.

    11. Re: QoS is Critical by DewDude · · Score: 1

      We're about at the point now that the ISP's are forbidding you from using your own equipment. They maintain it's "their network" and will only allow "their equipment".

      We are literally going back to pre-Carterphone Ma Bell.

    12. Re:QoS is Critical by DewDude · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how a company that gets blocked out from customers can make a higher margin. If no one will serve your traffic to your customers...you won't have customers. No customers. No Money.

    13. Re: QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better still, enforce antitrust laws and force the ISPs to learn how to behave.

      That's pretty candy-assed. What good is enforcing laws if nobody ever goes to prison? Scum cuts a deal with the DA because the DA is running for office and wants to be 'tough on crime'. Deal gets cut, scum walks with a fine and promise to deliver a bigger fish. Fish never shows up but it doesn't matter because the DA's numbers are up and Fundraising is hitting their marks. Besides, Citizen has fallen asleep with a Chablis in front of Amazon and doesn't know shit from shinola in the morning. Democracy actually worked in the 1700s because they actually hanged people for crimes against the law-abiding. There's a fix, but it's ugly.

    14. Re:QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What utter dross.

      Why would a search and rescue drone use a rinky-dink residential ISP at any point in its video streaming process? There is no reason why someone streaming PewDiePie (or whatever else) to their home router should be limiting bandwidth to a government-controller drone, period.

    15. Re:QoS is Critical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roads are generally owned by the public. The public has no interest in allowing (say) Home Depot trucks to pass while blocking trucks from Lowe's. The internet in the US is privately owned, and the owners have every reason manage traffic in whatever way maximizes profits.

    16. Re:QoS is Critical by Bengie · · Score: 1

      You don't need QoS, you just need fair queuing, which is protocol agnostic. My ISP has zero QoS for any non-management traffic. They have a fully guaranteed bandwidth through the entire network from customer to the trunk. Even on my connection, they have some fair queuing AQM that allows me to saturate my connection both up and down at the same time with P2P traffic, and still get zero loss, zero jitter, and idle level latency.

      It does not matter what traffic I use, fairness is effectively maintained per flow. A greedy stream can only affect its own latency, loss, and jitter. Not only does this statistically isolate streams from each other statelessly, important for scaling to many streams. But it also helps stabilize greedy flows. Loss is minimized, jitter is minimized, latency is minimized, utilization can remain at a steady 99.9%, no TCP saw-tooth action. This almost completely eliminates bursted loss caused by dumb fixed FIFO queues. With my current AQM, TCP almost never enters exponential backoff.

      This also has a positive effect on DOS attacks. A simulated DDOS attack still negatively affects packetloss and bandwidth because the too many source IPs overwhelm the statistical flow isolation, but a relatively few source IPs attempted to do a volumetric DOS has little affect on anything but bandwidth. Because the flows are isolated for latency and loss, the only thing affected is bandwidth, and even that is fairly distributed across flows.

      These modern AQMs make the internet feel much faster by minimizing buffer bloat and keeping the TCP window near optimal to keep latency nearly unaffected while allowing bandwidth to be maximized and stabilizes the bandwidth. It also keeps TCP global synchronization from occurring.

      This same kind of feature seems to be applied at all levels. The ISP's trunk seems to have this. During a DDOS against the entire ISP, latency was about 20ms higher than normal and bandwidth was about 30% of my provisioned, but virtually zero loss or jitter. I could still play games just fine. Another time the transit provider was under attack. Similar characteristics but 2 hops further upstream. A few 10s of ms increased base latency, still almost no loss or jitter, but reduced bandwidth.

      There is no reason for congestion to affect loss, jitter, or latency by any detrimental amount. Look into Codel, PIE, and their fair queuing versions, like fq_codel. Freaking magic.

  6. Re: Recall Polis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heartily second that

  7. Keeping internet speeds consistent by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Only existing networks can keep internet speeds consistent?
    What would big gov see as slowing down speeds for some users?
    Is that an old network with way, way too many users always slow? An active new attempt to slow down speeds for "some" users?
    Your ISP is now going to have to make you pay for their negotiations with big gov over day to day network conditions.
    Who is going to invest if big gov wants to see how "some" users are doing?
    Can an ISP prove "some" users are getting the same speeds as all users but their wireline is really, really old?
    Will the ISP have to send it reports as to why "some" users are getting not the same speeds?
    How many people will an ISP have to pay to report network conditions to big gov?
    Thats a new service so your ISP can report on the existing network conditions to big gov.
    Gov approved ISP teasing big gov just how slow your service is year after year. But the network is always NN in its slowness for all users.
    No gated community is sneaking in network speed by paying more. No gentrification and getting in a great new ISP.

    No community broadband as only a few selected and regulated ISP can prove to big gov they are full NN ready.
    No innovation. No new competition. Welcome back to gov regulated NN ready wireline.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re: Keeping internet speeds consistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've noticed some service will let you initiate an inbound connection which is not throttled even though the corresponding outbound connection is throttled.

    2. Re:Keeping internet speeds consistent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand Net Neutrality at all. Net Neutrality is what we had up through maybe 2004-2007 when Verizon/Comcast/etc. started running their first throttling tests to see if they could get away with selective throttling without running afoul of the FTC (mostly, they could).

      None of what you complain about happened between 1993 and 2004. The only things keeping Internet slow in the United States in that time period were technology and monopolism.

      Today, it is possible for a municipal ISP to run 1 Gbps up/down to residences for $70/month or less and make a profit doing so. Comcast/Charter/AT&T/Verizon/etc. have had that option for years. All it would take from them is enough capital investment to replace their aging copper with fibre. They have the technology, they have the rights-of-way, etc. But they won't do it, because they make more money pimping slower services over aging copper/DOCSYS crap that has been obsolete for years. Verizon made a big deal about FiOS but took forever rolling it out, and now that it's here, it's insanely expensive.

      To highlight how bad it is: I can get 1 Gbps up/down for $68/month from my power company, or I can get 1 Gbps down and unknown (probably 300 Mbps) up from Comcast for $110/month, plus equipment/modem charges on top of that. Why, Comcast? That makes no sense. Hell I don't even need any special equipment from my power company. I just have a jack in the wall that I plug straight into my router (that I own), done deal. My power company has promised to voluntarily follow Net Neutrality, and they keep rolling out lower prices and/or faster service. Recently, the 100 Mbps service they sell tripled to 300 Mbps, while they lowered the 1 Gbps service price by $2. Pretty nice of em, overall. I don't see them lowering speeds or making customers suffer on account of Net Neutrality. I do seem them giving me the freedom to pick where I want to go on the 'net today.

      Oh, and did I mention that they're making a profit doing this? They rolled out the fibre years ago from a bond issue. Local power ratepayers were bitching because they thought they'd have to subsidize the Internet plan, but it didn't happen that way. My power company makes so much money off Internet/TV/phone from their fibre system that it pays for itself, and helps subsidize some low-income family power bills through their revenue share program.

  8. Re: Recall Polis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The system is designed to extract the maximum value and cause the maximum amount of pain.

  9. I love America! by CaptainDork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When the goddam federal government is a fucking loony bin, the states step up and say, "Hold my beer."

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    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    1. Re:I love America! by StormReaver · · Score: 2

      Sometimes the states step in and do the right thing when the feds do stupid things. And sometimes the states step in and do stupid things when the feds are doing the right thing. It varies wildly.

    2. Re:I love America! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the looniness gets too bad, it is a lot easier to move to a different state than a different country.

      Looniness is better when it is local.

    3. Re:I love America! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Honestly (I am a republican saying this), they need to lose this grant money. They have done jack fucking squat with it for the past 30 years.

      The gov did it backwards. Here is a pile of money to build something. "Oh OK". Nothing built. "well we did not get to it this year but we are in the planning stages" for 30 fucking years. Instead it should be "build X, we can see X, we help fund it but you need to go get a loan or something, until then fuck off".

    4. Re:I love America! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "now in charge" democrats also wanted to allow ISPs to censor porn, and that measure barely failed when a few democrats broke ranks and voted along with the Republicans.

    5. Re: I love America! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!

    6. Re:I love America! by Phylter · · Score: 1

      My question is why are these companies getting grant money anyway? The grant money isn't going for what it's supposed to be. With as much money as they're charging me they should be giving the state money, not the other way around.

    7. Re:I love America! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look below the hood of local/state cable/phone monopolism in the United States, you will find that an enormous amount of our communications grid has been built with government grant money. Phone companies and cable companies have been getting grants for years. They are essentially public-private operations. Without government funding, their economic model will fail.

  10. Re: End Of American Democracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump may as well be trump because if he isn't then it doesn't really matter

  11. DirecTV to unload rural customers on Dish? by tepples · · Score: 1

    You think a customer on TMobile will be able to subscribe to Sling? Hell no! They're going to block every other streaming video service so you will take their Level3 or nothing.

    That's not what T-Mobile has in place. The "Binge On" feature of T-Mobile plans doesn't count video against subscribers' cap so long as it's 1.5 Mbps or lower. (The vast majority of 480p video using AVC or VP8 is lower than that.) Binge On is open to any video provider that's willing to join. And I see no reason for this to end any time soon, even with the Sprint merger, as it'd break the "we're not AT&T" draw of the T-Mobile brand.

    hell...AT&T is already walking down the path of making DirecTV an exclusive product that will require their network. Sure, that's a few years down the road...but they've effectively launched the very last satellite. Once the current fleet is dead...they'll be streaming only.

    Some rural customers have satellite television from DirecTV because they live outside the service footprint of AT&T's high-volume Internet and IPTV service. Should DirecTV stop offering satellite television, that'll just leave Dish with a bunch of new customers.

    1. Re:DirecTV to unload rural customers on Dish? by DewDude · · Score: 1

      Well...I'm a former Metro subscriber. I left because the CEO promised some of the uncarrier stuff for Metro...flashed us with stuff like free google one and Amazon prime while jacking up the hidden fees. I mean...they charge $15 for a device swap. They try to claim it's free if automated; but automated only works on THEIR phones. If you BYOB....you'll have to get a rep involved. If you have to get a rep involved...they will charge you. The fact this was previously an in-store only charge...I fail to see how anything got "better". If anything...it just reverted to the old prepaid order of "screw these low income customers...we'll make them pay for services and features we provide free to everyone else". I don't see Binge-On lasting in to the 5G era. I don't see their UnCarrier branding lasting post merger. I don't think Legere has "reformed"...I think he's just doing what every public-face CEO does; act like you've changed...drag this change on long enough to get your monopoly...eliminate competition....revert to old self. Even if Binge-On lasts in to the 5G era....I really don't see them doing it on home internet plans. They may keep it on phones only...but the rest of the screens in your home...no.

    2. Re: DirecTV to unload rural customers on Dish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously doubt the last part. It sounds good for scaring investors though

    3. Re: DirecTV to unload rural customers on Dish? by DewDude · · Score: 1

      DirecTV CEO (or some exec) basically said the most recent satellite they launched is it. No new satellites. Once the current fleet starts dying out from old age...they'll start reducing capacity. They may quit early, sell what's left to someone else, and let them deal with failing sats and diminishing capacity.

      DirecTV as a satellite service is basically dead. AT&T murdered it for the sake of taking it online where they can tighten the rains and extract more out of customers. It will in fact leave Dish as the last major satellite provider....the new guys on the block are literally offering 40 channels of H.265 480i over 2 FSS transponders.

      That's going to be the future of rural customers. Completely inferior lousy service because no one wants to build infrastructure to serve them.

  12. Lawful by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    "Blocking *lawful* internet content, applications, services, or nonharmful devices unless such blocking is conducted in a manner consistent with reasonable network management practices"
    "Regulating network traffic by throttling bandwidth or otherwise impairing or degrading *lawful* internet traffic on the basis of internet content"

    Emphasis mine. How are they going to tell what constitutes lawful or unlawful content? I guess they'll just have to snoop on everything you do, log it and report back to the authorities. It gives ISPs implicit authority to track, literally, everything you do. It may be interpreted as a requirement.

    How about this: No payment for preferential treatment of bandwidth. Period.

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    My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
    1. Re: Lawful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Underlying value of a perceived loss from throttling might even be negative, if not zero. Difficult to get compensated. Again, different jurisdictions may have a wide range of opinions as to what it means to have an underlying value much lower than claimed.

    2. Re: Lawful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha yeah. I tried to insure my completely depreciated rust bucket for a million bucks so I could total it. Insurance company laughed me right out of the room. The rep said just taking out such a policy could cross the line into insurance fraud

    3. Re: Lawful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple. Anything which constitutes "hate speech" will be banned. The Democrats will define that as "anything which runs counter to our ideology or makes us feel bad."

  13. Smoking their own dope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sentiment that ex post facto laws are against natural right is so strong in the United States, that few, if any, of the State constitutions have failed to proscribe them. The federal constitution indeed interdicts them in criminal cases only; but they are equally unjust in civil as in criminal cases, and the omission of a caution which would have been right, does not justify the doing what is wrong. Nor ought it to be presumed that the legislature meant to use a phrase in an unjustifiable sense, if by rules of construction it can be ever strained to what is just. â
    â" Thomas Jefferson , Letter to Isaac McPherson, August 13, 181

  14. Re:Becoming more California everyday by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    Progress!

  15. "Shanghai" Bill is a known liar many times over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill got caught lying 12-25 times repeatedly stating "Blood plasma is sterile" and then later that "The Chinese Govt does not directly censor Chinese citizens" and other absolute bullshit head-in-ass retard-level lies. You're not trustworthy.

    You are not a source of information that anyone should or even could trust, knowing your dishonest history. Sorry. That's what accountability means when you get caught lying repeatedly, over and over, even after directly corrected.

    You're a liar, Bill. I give it 1 in 10 you actually have a daughter you dishonest cunt.

  16. Re: Becoming more California everyday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell, even middle class people can't afford housing. I'm making $85k and can't afford to buy a house that I could have easily afforded 5 years ago making $35k. Unless I want to commute 2 hours each way, or live in the ghetto, my options are to pay more for rent than it would cost for a mortgage on a $250k house, or move out of state.
    Which is becoming very appealing, since all the antivax Liberals in Boulder keep spreading Measles everywhere while doing everything they can to raise taxes.

  17. Taxpayers shouldn't fund broadband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taxpayers shouldn't fund broadband, but rather companies shouldn't have been handed the funds nor monopolies/duopolies in the first place to roll out these networks. I support net neutrality because it's the only option on the table to solve the problem. It's a terrible solution though. It would be better to see a solution that increased competition in the market place. I'm generally against taxes, but given the unfair advantage that entrenched cable and communications companies received it would seem acceptable to temporarily tax (maybe 30-40 years) the entrenched monopolies to further the development of a truly free market. Unfortunately it's often hard to imagine the side-effects of governmental actions and we might see more harm from any action than positive change. The rights of way also need to be opened up to competition. The barriers to entry should be lowered and not be super expensive as they are now. That does mean eliminating the taxes on internet services, reducing the costs of rolling out new lines (licensing/fees to access polls/rights of way/etc and making it possible for all parties to move lines, etc).

  18. Re:Recall Polis by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    Fake news won't report, like the libtards we recalled before, but at least he'll be gone.

    Having shitty internet to own the libs. Brilliant strategy, you knob.

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  19. Unconstitutional by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

    This is ex post facto law, unconstitutional and against the most fundamental principles of justice.

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    1. Re:Unconstitutional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's not. They aren't punished for prior actions. They just have to pay back grants. Ex post facto would be immediately prosecuting any companies that engaged in such behavior in the past

  20. It's too bad the majority... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on both sides need to focus on pet political issues, instead of shelving them for a few years and using their collective powers to shine the eye and swing the fist of government on its most pervasive abusers.

    The AT&T situation came about partially from forgetting why AT&T had been broken up in the first place and partly by continuing to give them money knowing they weren't going to roll it out. They could have cut them off at a billion dollars instead of kept paying for instance, but no one was willing to say they had been wrong to support the funding in the first place, or figure out a rational plan for an alternative course of action to improve broadband all over the country.

    The same issues happened with outsourcing and losing American industry. Each side blames the other when in reality they have both colluded because globalism benefits them with profits and reduced oversight.

    My point is: Americans need to collectively wake up and bring our government to heel. Take the pet issues and say 'Don't bring up my issue for the next X years to try and push it your way and I won't bring it up either, so we can solve the real bipartisan issues affecting America.' Then HOLD TO IT. Do this and America can clean up its house, before returning to our usual level of bickering over things that in the big picture of economic life in America don't matter and won't help things improve.

  21. I'll believe it when I see it. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    Laws aren't worth the paper they're written on unless they are enforced in a method that actually has a punishing effect on the violator.
    Too many corporate regulations have fines so low the companies will happily ignore them and then write off the fines as a "cost of doing business".

    1. Re:I'll believe it when I see it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work at a chemical plant owned by a very large company. The EPA did an audit 5 years ago that the plant failed spectacularly. As part of the settlement with the DOJ, we paid a fine, (that was less than half the cost of fixing what needed fixed), and we paid for a 3rd party to do a follow up audit (happened this last year). Things were fixed, there was lots of traction with upper management.

      Why? Because the DOJ could fine us for non-compliance on repeat findings, for every day we operated in violation. 4 years aka 1200 days later, the fines would be 10-100x, in the millions to tens of millions.

      Congress is capable of increasing penalties on laws (or making other adjustments) if they're not achieving the desired result.

      There are other punishments on the table for bad behavior. SEC can break companies up. Sony, over their CD rootkit was warned that its installation on government computers could be interpreted as espionage, and that all of their USA assets could be seized and they could be barred from doing business in the USA.

      Don't misunderstand, sometimes lax punishment is the *intent* of the lawmakers, or the lobbyists that influence them.

  22. ComCast scamming the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I work, we are eligible for a 50% discount from the state for internet services because we're a non-profit.
    ComCast's pitch to me was they will double the up-to bandwidth and charge us the regular price, thus giving us our 50%.

    That costs us the same, double's ComCast's income (read more than doubles profit). How slimey is that?

  23. We are in Fort Collins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The city of Fort Collins is rolling out its own fiber network as a utility. Something like $50 a month for symmetrical gigabit.

  24. What this bill WONT do by e3m4n · · Score: 1

    Nothing in the article prevents ISPs, who typically use throttling as a means of cost control, from having to charge the consumer MORE for their service. If the average colorado resident is paying $65/mo for 100mbps service; my prediction is that within two years of this legislation passing, they will be paying at least $120/mo for the same service and you will have fewer options. The same shit happened when they started forcing insurances to cover stuff. First rates went up, and then companies started pulling out. I predict both will happen. You’ll get exactly what you regulated, a wide open faucet. The ones that stick around will charge the shit out of you and it will probably get maintained poorly and suffer packet loss. This is what happens when people think they can force a company to pay for shit. Remember the TRS fund? The Universal Services fund? Subscriber line charges? We sure made the telcos pay for all that shit disnt we? We sure showed them. Seen your bill lately? The taxes, fees, and regulatory costs exceed the service portion.

    1. Re:What this bill WONT do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you talking about? First off, $65/month for 100 Mbps is terrible anyway. It's an obvious side-effect of ISP duopolies that exist in most of the United States. Secondly, why would anyone have to pay MORE for the same crap level of service? It's not like anti-Net Neutrality actually did anything to help ISPs keep costs low.

      The general direction of tech is for same level service to become cheaper over time. There is no reason - outside of government-funded duopolies such as what you get with local telco/cable Internet - for 100 Mbps to double in price just because someone wrote a bill forcing ISPs to stop throttling your connections according to their whims/profit motives. We already had effective Net Neutrality for over a decade (1993 to 2004, if not longer) and it didn't cause any of the effects you mention.

    2. Re:What this bill WONT do by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      What it won't do is anything about the duopoly I have to choose from and since Comcast couldn't provide reliable service in my area I effectively have a choice of CLink or nothing (or satellite I guess - screw that; maybe Verizon? I've resorted to them before when my own ISP was down - it's not ideal).

      There are very few scenarios where this would decrease my options. Is Century Link going to go out of business because of this? Will Comcast?

      And I wish I paid $65 a month for 100 mbps. It's more like $85 for about 20 mbps...if it's a good day. Fortunately I don't need a whole lot of bandwidth, but I do expect it to work consistently which only one provider seems capable of doing where I live.

      I've been putting off calling CenturyLink to renegotiate my monthly bill. It's an annual ritual with them. I have to call them up and spend an hour on the phone and threaten to go back to Comcast and eventually, they'll cut it in half - TEMPORARILY. Comcast plays the same games.

      If there were real competition, I would find an ISP that was reliable and charged a reasonable sum for their services and they would make money and customers would be reasonably happy.

    3. Re:What this bill WONT do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good. Then the municipality can provide service. Good riddance!

  25. Re:Becoming more California everyday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, there's going to be a reset in Colorado. The rate of building is manic; that's a bad sign, like tulip prices were a bad sign, not just because the dwellings are forward collateral for the loans. Go back to 2007. When people begin defaulting on mortgages at a higher rate than they do on auto loans it's Katy bar the door. Legal pot isn't going to stop that shit.

  26. Money by maxiposik · · Score: 0

    That’s a rather strange move by the government. On the other hand, this is obvious that it do nothing for people as always. The only thing we can do is to take a loan on https://cashcat.ph/cash-loans-on-card-sure-approval-in-taguig to survive