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Police Refer Teenaged Crackers For 'Second Chance' Jobs at Cyber-Security Company (bbc.co.uk)

This week the BBC reported on teenaged "hackers dragged from a world of crime to fight for the other side" at "a fairly ordinary looking cyber-security company" in southwest England. Bruce66423 shared their report: Bluescreen employs hackers the authorities have deemed worthy of a second chance, who pit their wits against some of the anonymous online criminals they used to see as brothers in arms... Bluescreen IT has a direct link with the police to find hackers in need of direction. These are young men who have been accused of serious crimes, but instead of being taken through the criminal justice system, they've been given a second chance. About 15 people work in the Security Operations Centre, a handful of whom have been referred to the company as hackers who aren't malicious in nature and are deemed capable of reform...

There's a relaxed atmosphere when you walk into the Security Operations Centre, but it's serious work. Three monitors on the wall detail which of Bluescreen's clients are being attacked, and how serious the threat is. The clients, mostly smaller and medium-sized businesses from around the South West, are given codenames like "Black Mamba" or "Green Starfish" -- usually a colour and an animal... Bluescreen sees itself as a place to develop young people, give them a second chance, and be a haven for those with nowhere else to go. "It makes me really proud when they achieve industry-recognised qualifications," said the company's chief operating officer, Richard Cashmore.

A 16-year-old named Jack stole personal information from about 1,000 people. Years later, when he was 19, "the police sent five squad cars, a tech team and a riot van to his home.... Another employee, Cameron, was arrested on his way to school when he was just 14 years old. "Officers from the National Crime Agency had planned the sting so that Cameron would be out of the house, and unable to destroy his hard drives in the event he heard them coming."

As "apprentices" they start at £650 a month, reports the BBC, but "after five years of experience they could easily be earning close to £50,000 a year."

69 comments

  1. The term "cracker" should be embraced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A "cracker" was a boss who handled the whip. Got shit done.

    1. Re: The term "cracker" should be embraced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As well as the term "honky".

      The "honky" was the one on the bullhorn yelling the orders out... ;)

    2. Re: The term "cracker" should be embraced. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Honkey comes from a white guy who would pull up to his black girls house and honk the horn so she could come out and get in the car.

    3. Re: The term "cracker" should be embraced. by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      They had bullhorns back before the Reconstruction?

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  2. What could possibly go wrong with this scheme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any bets on how long it will be before someone goes Mr. Robot on this company?

    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong with this scheme by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 0

      Like the current crop of "security researchers" are any better.

      Create a big enough bug bounty or they'll sell their exploits for bitcoints is the reality for a lot of them, or both. Hackers was a much more honest term for them, security researcher gives them a cloak of responsibility most of them don't deserve.

    2. Re: What could possibly go wrong with this scheme by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Why defend cheap ass companies? Their actions demonstrate clearly that they do not value security - like real dollar value, not cheap talk about value.

  3. LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is wrong with me? For a second there I thought the Slashdot editors had finally lost it and went completely racist.

  4. Annnd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    comments getting deleted. You have to admit that was funny.

    You leftists and your fascist anti-free speech policies are going to lose all power.

    1. Re: Annnd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fwiw
      This website is censoring certain types of comments.
      However other types of comments seem to be allowed
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      I was proud to be a part of the community then
      After a while maybe when it was sold ,
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      Don't get me wrong I still come here and comment as ac
      But not as much

    2. Re: Annnd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least they haven't started using propaganda popups like YouBoob. For example, "This is an Orange" video on Anthony Lawson's channel has been censored in search result AND defaced with boolshiat about Islam.

    3. Re: Annnd by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You really don't get haikus
      That one was the worst
      Too fat, like an autumn duck

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  5. "after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So basically they're indentured servants, because five years of cyber security experience on top of what they already knew would make them bank on the open market.

    That's how you get your slaves. Throw the book at young kids and make them work cheap for you for a decade or more.

    1. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what they get for not being 1337 enough or smart enough to not get caught.

    2. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many films have covered the issue of having cheap prison slaves compete with outside businesses that must adhere to things like insurance and minimum viable salaries. It's bad enough having to compete with global competition that will take a lot less money, but in general they aren't very good. If these guys are good, and are literally forced to work, how is that fair to other companies?

    3. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So basically they're indentured servants, because five years of cyber security experience on top of what they already knew would make them bank on the open market.

      That's how you get your slaves. Throw the book at young kids and make them work cheap for you for a decade or more.

      That's 65k USD, which actually isn't bad considering that they probably don't have degrees and have criminal records. And they don't seem to be bound to this company, it's just one of the few companies that will hire them in a technical role given that they don't have degrees and have criminal records.

      And lets face it "teenaged crackers" aren't the ones finding zero-day exploits. These were kids deploying pre-built rootkits or hacking tools, or using social engineering attacks. They need some basic technical competency, but their biggest asset is largely just a bunch of specialized knowledge.

      I think my biggest issue with this is:
      a) A lot of the kids didn't seem to realize they were doing something especially wrong, even though if they were enabling things like identity left that can seriously ruin people's lives. It's a hard question figuring out the appropriate punishment for stuff like that.

      b) Some of them do seem pretty bright, professional experience is good and you can get a pretty good career going straight into the industry. But I suspect a lot would really benefit from a post-secondary education.

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    4. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      They were juveniles when convicted. Unless the prosecutor went to the extra effort to try them as adults, those records effectively evaporte on the crackers' 18th birthdays.

      I've met a number of such crackers in my career. Most are not competent enough for their probing or securing work to be reliable or even competent. Those few who are competent technically have repeatedly abused the trust of their "sponsors" when hired.

    5. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      50,000 pounds a year is a comfortable wage for young man in the UK. And it's not like *any* of them are ever going to pay for child support: the underlying reason fore the Jeremy Kyle show is that single mothers are a basic factor of UK life, and the men gain *nothing* by supporting their children. So they don't.

    6. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "literally forced to work"
      No their not.
      They can chose to work for a defined period of time doing something the actually like to do, get paid, and have their criminal records expunged.

      Or they could have chosen to accept some period of confinement and then have to deal with a criminal record that would follow them around for the rest of their lives. These were mostly kids with a lot of their future ahead of them.

    7. Re: "after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youâ(TM)re right, they can work or rot in prison, my bad. Really good selection of choices.

      And again, it is less about their choice and more about how it affects other businesses and their employees. If you have to compete with low wage, talented people who are happy with that because the alternative is a jail cell, good luck.

    8. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's terrible that they're just rounding up youngsters at random who haven't done anything wrong and putting them through this.

      [dring dring dring dring]

      Just heard, apparently that's not what's happening and you're a 'tard.

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    9. Re:"after five years" "£50,000 a year." by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      These were mostly kids with a lot of their future ahead of them.

      Who when a kid did not do something that now, with your older/wiser head, you would not now do ? We all make mistakes, which is why society (ie the law, etc) needs to recognise that, and allow people to grow into 'good' citizens (maybe after having paid a 'price' for misdeeds done).

  6. Next: Drug dealers diverted to pharma sales by clawsoon · · Score: 1

    This is surely not the same as diverting people convicted of dealing drugs into pharma sales jobs. But why is it not the same?

    1. Re: Next: Drug dealers diverted to pharma sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pharma is a very complex business. Unlike drug dealing where the major concerns are dodging bullets, in pharma it's more like a very boring bean counting. Amusingly enough you can probably live better on a pharma salary than a drug dealers take but you have be able to lift a finger to get the rewards. Vague bitchery doesn't cut it in pharma. Get serious and pay attention

    2. Re:Next: Drug dealers diverted to pharma sales by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is surely not the same as diverting people convicted of dealing drugs into pharma sales jobs. But why is it not the same?

      Same gig, different risks. Either way you're selling drugs to people who want them but don't know why, and are largely ignorant of the risks involved. Both are generally morally bankrupt. Well, there is one difference. If someone only sells cannabis products, they're not harming anyone. At worst, they're providing false hope. Big pharma drugs actually kill people.

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    3. Re:Next: Drug dealers diverted to pharma sales by fafalone · · Score: 1

      There's a big push to get people formerly convicted of marijuana offenses into the legal marijuana industries. It's a good idea. One day the world will wake up and realize that as bad as the other drugs are, prohibition makes them worse in every way possible without even reducing abuse more than education and prevention programs. Hopefully the former victims of our fatally misconceived drug war will get that chance.

    4. Re:Next: Drug dealers diverted to pharma sales by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Probably autistic spectrum individuals who without proper guidance can go astray in the need to feed their curiosity, it's a brain chemical thing. Hence with guidance they can safely be used, their brain chemical 'hmm' addiction not driving poorly thought out behaviour, they now have community orientated work to feed their brain the chemicals their brain produces and likes when it processes incoming data in the way it likes. They are not the script kiddie type who used some other 'er' deviants work, for criminal activity. Yeah, they don't offer script kiddies a job, well not one outside of the custodial institution providing rehabilitation services and that ain't working with computers, more laundry, kitchen and custodial services.

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    5. Re: Next: Drug dealers diverted to pharma sales by astrofurter · · Score: 2

      Most street drug dealers are too morally upright to consider a career in Big Pharma.

  7. Ever fucked a negress slut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their cunt gets so wet, it is like getting a million little blow jobs. The negress cunt was bred for being fucked.

    1. Re: Ever fucked a negress slut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I have.
      Tell your mom she was a dead lay and so was your auntie shyniqua

    2. Re: Ever fucked a negress slut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Auntie Shyniqua? I hear she runs a boutique out of Salem and trying to scale up. Any truth to those tumors?

  8. Re:Yeah the crackers get jobs by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    I was expecting such a play on words somewhere in the comments, and was not disappointed. Conga-rats on even getting the first posting with it even, for what such an achievement is worth. :)

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  9. way under Minimum wage to start! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    way under Minimum wage to start!

    1. Re:way under Minimum wage to start! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a apprenticeship, the minimum wage is £3.90 an hour for the first year https://www.gov.uk/apprenticeships-guide/pay-and-conditions

      So assuming, they are working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, then 4 weeks would be £624 at the apprentice minimum wage. So legally, it doesn't seem like it is under minimum wage. The moral argument of whether that is enough to live on or not, is a different debate.

    2. Re:way under Minimum wage to start! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt the apprenticeship is full time. They are watching these kids like hawks for the first year while also trying to proceed with business as usual. It would be exhausting to have too many of these apprentices around 40 hours a week. I applaud their Portuguese overlords for investing in these kids for a win-win.

    3. Re:way under Minimum wage to start! by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume that they are "watching these kids like hawks"? Does the FBI or most local police departments have _competence_ monitoring their informants or monitoring possibly bright children?

    4. Re: way under Minimum wage to start! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and was not disappointed. Conga-rats on even getting the first posting with it even, for what such an achievement is worth. :) https://xender.pro/ https://discord.software/ https://omegle.onl/

  10. "Black hats become white hats" is news?? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    Why is this even "news" ??? This has been going on for decades.

    1. Re:"Black hats become white hats" is news?? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      1) These are kids who are supposedly getting a second chance.
      2) It gave somebody a chance to dredge up the “hackers” versus “crackers” argument which they'd already lost last decade.

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  11. Am I the only one who read "Crackers" and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well you know... ;-)

  12. Uh... by chaboud · · Score: 2

    1) That sounds like public private indentured servitude.
    2) Hacking without actual harm to others being criminalized was a huge mistake, and it has led to weaker systems.
    3) These kids are learning how the man works, and getting underpaid, so they have plenty of incentive to go out and put on a black hat...

    1. Re:Uh... by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      That sounds like public private indentured servitude.

      So? The alternative is prison. Pro tip: if you don't want to be either indentured or imprisoned, don't hack into other people computers.

      Hacking without actual harm to others being criminalized was a huge mistake ...

      So it would be OK to break into your house and rummage around while you're not there so long as I didn't actually take anything or harm anyone?

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    2. Re: Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that your real name? Hopefully no one finds something you posted that can be construes as a threat, or in violation of CFAA or another Mae, then have you arrested over it, jailed and given the choice between working for slave wage or losing the warden's "protection" and being passed around the yard like thr bitch yiu seem to be.

    3. Re: Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How's that bootleather taste?

    4. Re:Uh... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      1) That sounds like public private indentured servitude.

      It's not.

      2) Hacking without actual harm to others being criminalized was a huge mistake, and it has led to weaker systems.

      Several of the people interviewed in the article had caused harm to others.

      You also can't hack most computer systems without causing harm to others.

      3) These kids are learning how the man works, and getting underpaid, so they have plenty of incentive to go out and put on a black hat...

      These kids are on an easily discernable career track that will let them earn twice the average salary in five years, let alone if they then decide to start their own business or take more lucrative offers elsewhere.

      That is not 'underpaid'.

  13. Re: Yeah the crackers get jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to hold them accountable

  14. Re: Yeah the crackers get jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Configure your own machine the right way is too boring but illegal hacking? Exciting!!!!!!

  15. Politically incorrect by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

    We don't say "crackers" any more. In the US, "rural Americans" is the preferred term; elsewhere "agricultural traditionalists" works.

    1. Re:Politically incorrect by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      “Crackers” was black slang for white people - not a synonym for “hicks”.

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  16. Re: Alexandria Occasional Cortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She can't dial 911 because her phone is cheap and she can't get a signal

  17. Re: Alexandria Occasional Cortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait.. So she IS just a pretty face?

  18. Re: Alexandria Occasional Cortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you consider horse teeth and too much makeup "pretty," then yes. Otherwise she's just a set of tits.

  19. Man ... lucky white kids .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Police Refer Teenaged Crackers For 'Second Chance'

    Wow, those white kids get all the breaks.

    Oh, we're using that made up 'crackers' instead of 'hackers' because we think out ret-conning it to mean something else is better.

    Sorry, but 'crackers' was used 20 years after the fact.

    1. Re:Man ... lucky white kids .. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Oh, we're using that made up 'crackers' instead of 'hackers' because we think out ret-conning it to mean something else is better.

      Sorry, but 'crackers' was used 20 years after the fact.

      As someone who was there at the time, I can assure you that "crackers" was in use, in exaOh, we're using that made up 'crackers' instead of 'hackers' because we think out ret-conning it to mean something else is better.

      Sorry, but 'crackers' was used 20 years after the fact.ctly this way, and has been continuously since. It's not a ret-con if was there at the time.

      As near as the members of the hacker circle where I hang out have been able to determine, the misuse of hacker (exceptinoally skilled, boundary-pushing, programmer {or whatever - it's not just about software, or even just the default of computers}) for cracker started when an early "security expert" did a session on security risks at a management convention.

      Upper management's first exposure to the issue had the "hacker" word on it. Middle management had to adopt it to avoid seeming ignorant of a threat in their area of professional expertise. The business press used the words their customers did. The general press picked it up from the business press, and the rest of the non-technical population from the popular press.

      Computer technical experts have since been fighting an uphill battle over this misuse of one of their most cherished technical terms. But it's a classic "language riot", so don't expect it to stop, no matter how lopsided the battle seems.

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  20. Re:Alexandria Occasional Cortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since these are simply repurposed Polish jokes, allow me to tell my all time favorite:

    Why are there no ice cubes in Poland?
    They lost the formula!

  21. Re: Alexandria Occasional Cortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI, you're gay.
    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  22. Poor Kids by ememisya · · Score: 1

    I'm glad we are at least step ahead of strongarming these people to work for free like the FBI did with Sabu but if we educated people on how the Internet really works; about project Quantum, about fake cell towers, they wouldn't be so stupid in the first place to be labeled "trouble makers". In a way these people are abusing teenager stupidity to get cheap labor.

  23. paid penetration testing by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the article:

    Just four years after his arrest, Jack is now working at an advanced level, carrying out processes like penetration testing

    In other news, prostitutes are now screaming discrimination as another group of criminals get off and actually get paid for penetration testing.

  24. Script kiddies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These don't sound like hackers (sic) that have any actual skills. They are just getting started, i.e. unskilled script kiddies.

  25. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't they really be first chance jobs though?

  26. Gad. that sure got scrambled. trying again by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Oh, we're using that made up 'crackers' instead of 'hackers' because we think out ret-conning it to mean something else is better.

    Sorry, but 'crackers' was used 20 years after the fact.

    As someone who was there at the time, I can assure you that "crackers" was in use, in exactly this way, and has been continuously since. It's not a ret-con if was there at the time.

    As near as the members of the hacker circle where I hang out have been able to determine, the misuse of hacker (exceptinoally skilled, boundary-pushing, programmer {or whatever - it's not just about software, or even just the default of computers}) for cracker started when an early "security expert" did a session on security risks at a management convention.

    Upper management's first exposure to the issue had the "hacker" word on it. Middle management had to adopt it to avoid seeming ignorant of a threat in their area of professional expertise. The business press used the words their customers did. The general press picked it up from the business press, and the rest of the non-technical population from the popular press.

    Computer technical experts have since been fighting an uphill battle over this misuse of one of their most cherished technical terms. But it's a classic "language riot", so don't expect it to stop, no matter how lopsided the battle seems.

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  27. Wow, shit pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    50,000 pounds a year for a security expert with 5 years of practice. That's pretty shit.

  28. Re: Alexandria Occasional Cortex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They prefer to be called âoehonkeys âoe not crackers.