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Are America's Big Telecom Companies Suppressing Fiber? (salon.com)

Salon just published a new interview with Susan Crawford, the author of "Fiber: The Coming Tech Revolution -- And Why America Might Miss It." Crawford has spent years studying the business of these underground fiber optic cables that make fast internet possible. As it turns out, the internet infrastructure situation in the United States is almost hopelessly compromised by the oligopolistic telecom industry, which, due to lack of competition and deregulation, is hesitant to invest in their aging infrastructure... This is going to pose a huge problem for the future, Crawford warns, noting that politicians as well as the telecom industry are largely inept when it comes to prepping us for a well-connected future...

"The decay started in 2004 when -- maybe out of gullibility, maybe out of naivety, maybe out of calculation -- then-chairman of the FCC, Michael Powell, now the head of cable association -- was persuaded that the telcos would battle it out with the cable companies, that their cable modem services would battle it out with wireless, and all of that competition would do a much better job than any regulatory structure could at ensuring that every American had a cheap and fantastic connection of the internet. That's just turned out that's just not true. Since then, he deregulated the entire sector -- and as a result, we got this very stagnant status quo where in most urban areas -- usually the local cable monopoly has a lock in the market and can charge whatever it wants for whatever type of quality services they're providing, leaving a lot of people out."

"Because Americans don't travel," she adds, "you don't get the sense of what a third-world country the U.S. is becoming when it comes to communications."

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  1. Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Because Americans don't travel," she adds, "you don't get the sense of what a third-world country the U.S. is becoming when it comes to communications."

    Only when it comes to communications, really? What about health care? Taking care of your poor? Having a proper democracy?

    The U.S.A. has been a third-world country for quite a while, just ask the other civilized countries.

    1. Re:Third-world country by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what about health care?

      We have health care system that is the envy of most of the world. There is a reason why the kings of the middle east come here and say not the UK or Canada when they need life saving care.

      Yeah, that is exactly his point. State of the art healthcare that only the kings of the Middle East, american oligarchs and the moneyed classes in the US can afford but that will bankrupt the middle class and that the working US classes simply cannot afford. If you think there is no state of the art medicine available elsewhere in the developed world you are full of bovine rectal secretions. Even Cuba has a better and more affordable healthcare system than the US from the common citizen's point of view and so does all of Western Europe.

      Taking care of your poor?

      Abject poverty is at its lowest level in history. Nobody is starving to death in America ANYWHERE.

      That's not what he said. He was referring to the more than 40.0 million Americans live in households that struggle against hunger.

      Having a proper democracy?

      Yes voter id laws would help a lot.

      Voter ID to do what? Give the GOP the opportunity to make voter ID's much more easily available in heavily Republican districts and nearly unobtainable in Democrat districts in a portfolio of measures intended to 'adjust' democracy to make sure the GOP wins elections despite a majority of the electorate voting for something else? Let's not forget that the most outrageous case of electoral fraud in the 2018 midterms was perpetrated by the GOP, not the Democrats, not the 'Socialists', not tons of 'liberals' bussed in by George Soros from neighbouring states, not millions of illegal immigrants, not the shadowy forces of the Deep state, it was perpetrated by the GOP.

    2. Re:Third-world country by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only when it comes to communications, really? What about health care? Taking care of your poor? Having a proper democracy?

      It does not stop there: The implementation of the PIN code on Credit and Debit cards that was available in the rest of the world was done badly and late. The banking system is a laughing matter. Using checks is still a thing. Privacy laws only protect the companies. Affordable eductation.

      When I visited the US the first time, 2 years ago, it reminded me of traveling back to the 80ies. It seriously felt as if nothing changed after that. I thought it was cute and quaint.

      Everything pointed to the fact that it was done for the companies and the business and nothing for the people by the people.

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    3. Re:Third-world country by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Because Americans don't travel," she adds, "you don't get the sense of what a third-world country the U.S. is becoming when it comes to communications."

      Only when it comes to communications, really? What about health care? Taking care of your poor? Having a proper democracy?

      The U.S.A. has been a third-world country for quite a while, just ask the other civilized countries.

      The rest of the world looks at the USA and wonders how they put up with it the same way the USA looks at North Korea and wonders how they put up with it.

      Simple answer: "Ignorance is bliss".

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    4. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree.
      It's very common for Europeans to move to the US to become US citizens, but very UNCOMMON for Americans to give up their citizenship to live in Europe. This is because the US is much more vibrant than Europe economically, culturally, socially, and technologically. Most trends start in the US and move across the oceans, not the other way around.

      People that dis the US are usually jealous Europeans, the home of the near-future caliphate under Sharia law.

    5. Re:Third-world country by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the Ultra-Rich America has the best healthcare money can buy. For everyone else it's a third world nightmare.

    6. Re:Third-world country by e3m4n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I really dont understand opposition to voter id. We have to provide ID to open a bank account, get a drivers license, travel on public transportation, and even load cash on prepaid credit cards in some venues. As long as the ID system is universal and taxpayer funded, I don’t see a problem. Voting in more than one district or voting as someone else is just as much fraud as any other form of identity theft. The power of the vote is just as big of a deal as the power to buy a pistol. Nobody would dare suggest requiring ID to buy a firearm was a deliberate ploy to ensure impoverished from self defense. We expect people to show ID to buy various goods. I have to produce ID to buy damn 1 box of sudafed for gods sake. At this point opposing an ID system to vote makes it look like someone knows something shady keeps going on. How do you know mega corporations arent stacking the deck to continue to screw us, the people, over if there is no cross reference? Thats just as likely as illegals voting for some form of socialism.

    7. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is ridiculous - you can get paid medical services in the UK or any European country. Just because state covers medical expenses doesn't mean you are not allowed to pay more to get private health care without it being covered (if you want to have an appointment immediately and so on).

      Besides, the quality of a health system is not measured by the few services that the top 1% of the population purchased.

      It is measured by the quality of the health services provided to the other 99%.

      So yeah, the US ranks pretty bad compared to it's overall status as the most industrialized country in the world. You know there is a problem when your economy ranks #2 but your health care is ranked #39.

    8. Re:Third-world country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems that you are missing the point. It's not opposition to voter ID per se, but caution against the combination of voter Id being required and then denied to segments of the population. Before you can require voter ID it is absolutely necessary that you can guarantee it to absolutely every citizen.

      Most countries can do this.You don't need a special voter ID though - typically a country gives every citizen an ID number when born or naturalised. Since you already have an ID you don't need a new special one just for voting.

    9. Re:Third-world country by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I really dont understand opposition to voter id. We have to provide ID to open a bank account, get a drivers license, travel on public transportation, and even load cash on prepaid credit cards in some venues. As long as the ID system is universal and taxpayer funded, I don’t see a problem.

      Many places that try to enact Voter ID laws also enact rules at the same time that limit when you can get to IDs, such as reducing the number of locations and having them only open Mon-Fri from 9-3 with Wed only open until 1. Oh, and 1 hour each day where the entire office is closed for lunch. It directly limits the ability of the working poor or elderly/disabled to access IDs, either because they can't physically get to the offices, or because they cannot afford to do so because they are paid hourly and have no time off. If a locality wants to implement Voter ID they should be allowed to, with a caveat that the government MUST provide, free of charge, an ID to all residents. That means going door to door if they have to, every house and every apartment.

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    10. Re:Third-world country by satsuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Opening a bank account, obtaining a license and using public transportation are not constitutionally enumerated rights.

      The constitution is very very sparse on the specifics of many different things .. but unencumbered access to the ballot box _is_

    11. Re:Third-world country by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Terlingua is in the middle of nowhere in ridiculously massive state with a whole lot of nowhere. It is a literal ghost town attraction with a population of 58 people who operate it and a lodge a tourist attraction.

      So, you're OK taking away peoples' voting rights, as long as it's just a few people?

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    12. Re:Third-world country by Shaitan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well I didn't post evidence because it was to FB friends in my community warning about mailers and the assorted mailers all clearly stated they were from the "Center for Voter Information"

      But you are welcome to just do this:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=q="center+for+voter+information"+absentee+ballots
      https://www.google.com/search?q="center+for+voter+information"

      And yes, the lion share of their funding does come George Soros as it turns out.

      "The Center for Voter Information is an organization that works to provide even-handed and unbiased information about candidates and their positions on issues."

      ROFL https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/detail.php?cmte=C90009317&cycle=2018

    13. Re:Third-world country by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't cater to everyone. At some point the cost benefit ratio isn't there. I'm not willing to make 300 million people suffer and doubt the veracity of their elections for the benefit of 53 not having to drive a little further. At some point people are choosing to be hermits in an isolated and remote part of the country.

      I don't recall the part of the Constitution that says rights are guaranteed depending on a "cost benefit ratio".

      When you find it, can we start looking at 1st and 2nd Amendment rights in terms of "cost-benefit ratio"?

      Additionally, in Texas you are required to have ID on you by law if you are over 18

      I've lived in Texas. Do you know it's illegal in Texas to take more than three sips of beer while standing? That you have to get a five-dollar permit before you can go barefoot? Did you know that the Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas by state law? My point is, fuck Texas. We really shouldn't use Texas laws as anything like an example for the rest of the country.

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  2. Re:No, government is. by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ^^^THIS^^^ The broadband situation in America is a story about government intervention completely breaking the marketplace not a failure of the market place. We really need to be passing state laws that prohibit the creation and renewal of such agreements by local municipalities. That is how you fix this situation.

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  3. Re:5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are huge limitation of using a broadcast medium (wireless) vs a point-to-point medium such as fiber. With all advances in wireless technology (such as MIMO or beam forming) - you will never get the same quality that you can achieve with fiber connection. Now imagine all homes using that same 5G technology in addition to mobiles - it will create additional overhead to an already congested spectrum. It is more efficient to dedicate 5G to devices that really need it - cars, public transport services, smartphones and so on, while connecting homes through fiber.

  4. Re:Liberty is what matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's a lie. Most Americansdo not want that.

    75% were opposed the repeal of net neutrality.

    56% support and only 16% oppose the creation of a publicly-owned internet companies to fill coverage gaps in rural, urban, or remote areas.

    And hell, let's throw in some health care statistics too

    70% want healthcare for everyone, even the poor who can't afford it.

    51% are for and only 21% are against the government manufacturing and selling generic drugs (and that included revoking patents granted to pharma companies that make them too expensive for the average person to afford).

    I could go on with similar poll results across every industry... energy, housing, food, utilities... everything.

    Americans do not want freedom at the expense of all else. That is a lie that is continually pushed by the same interests that lobby the government to keep their monopolies in place and put former corporate executives into positions of power where they can undermine all regulation of the companies they worked for.

    The only reason that lie continues is that the wealthy who benefit the most from this bullshit can use their wealthy to force it to be the only story. They hire PR firms to astroturf the story, buy media outlets and control what stories get published, pay off legislators to ensure that regulations always favor the wealthy and take every step they can to ensure that no other story gets heard.

  5. Re:5G by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    5G won't provide fibre speeds to all. It can't, there just isn't enough bandwidth. Say you live in a city in an apartment block and everyone is using 5G for their broadband. Well for a start 5G uses higher frequencies so you will need an external antenna to get anywhere near the theoretical 10Gbps it offers.

    10Gbps between how many users? If it's more than 5 then it's already slower than symmetrical 1/1Gbps cable, and of course the latency is much worse. That 10Gbps is the on-air rate too, not the speed you get after all the protocol overhead and switching time to allow other uses to communicate.

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  6. It's because the U.S. was first. by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It does not stop there: The implementation of the PIN code on Credit and Debit cards that was available in the rest of the world was done badly and late.

    That wasn't because the U.S. is backwards third-world country (well, the sign instead of PIN part was, but not the slow rollout of chipped cards). The rest of the world got to do it better because the U.S. did credit cards first. So the rest of the world got to see all the problems with magnetic swipe credit cards before implementing their credit card systems. The U.S. by virtue of being the first adopter, has to deal with the additional overhead of replacing a much larger legacy system, instead of just implementing a clean system mostly from scratch. Virtually every merchant in the U.S. already had credit card readers which weren't capable of reading chipped cards, so the transition to chipped cards took a lot longer here than in other countries where merchants hadn't widely adopted credit card readers.

    Same thing happened with digital cell phone service. The U.S. already had an extensive analog cellular network, so was slowest to transition to digital cellular. The cost to implement digital cellular was the same here as in other countries, but the marginal gain was less because the gain in the U.S. was analog to digital cellular, while the gain in other countries was from no cellular to digital cellular. Consequently there was less market pressure to roll out digital cellular, and it progressed more slowly than in other countries. Likewise, the standard electrical socket and plug in the U.S. is the worst-designed, because other countries to got see the problems with the U.S. design and got to implement designs which fixed those problems as their standard, before they rolled out electricity in their countries. (e.g. Ground wire connects first; and live wires are covered before they're connected so you can't accidentally touch wires carrying current.) The U.S. was saddled with the inertia of that initial socket design being standard, and has never managed to overcome it and replace it with a newer, better socket design.

    So these problems aren't because the U.S. is some backwards third-world nation. it's because the U.S. is the world's spearhead - the trailblazer and first adopter. And the first attempt at implementing something is almost never the best way to do it. Other countries get for free the lessons learned from the suffering and pain of trial and error that the U.S. had to go through. Mocking the U.S. for it just means you're an ungrateful prick.

    1. Re:It's because the U.S. was first. by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The rest of the world got to do it better because the U.S. did credit cards first. So the rest of the world got to see all the problems with magnetic swipe credit cards before implementing their credit card systems.

      You really need to get out more.

      The US, and the rest of the world, implemented credit cards using imprinting of the front of the card, with a signature. Because credit cards predate the widespread use of computers.
      Once computers were widespread, the US, and the rest of the world, implemented magnetic stripes.
      Once the problems with that became widespread, the rest of the world implemented chips in their cards.
      Once the problems with that became widespread, the rest of the world added PINs to the chips.
      Then the US added chips to their credit cards.

      The rest of the world faced the same problems with upgrading their infrastructure, and they upgraded their infrastructure. We cut taxes instead.

      Same thing happened with digital cell phone service. The U.S. already had an extensive analog cellular network, so was slowest to transition to digital cellular.

      So did Japan, so did most of Europe.

      (e.g. Ground wire connects first; and live wires are covered before they're connected so you can't accidentally touch wires carrying current.)

      It seems odd you have spent such little time around electrical sockets. Guess why the ground pin is longer than the hot and neutral on US plugs. Also, you'll never guess just how far you have to put the plug into the socket before it supplies voltage to the hot terminal.

      So these problems aren't because the U.S. is some backwards third-world nation.

      I have bad news for you. It's because we are now a backwards third-world nation. We haven't been the "trailblazer" in a very, very long time.